IRC log of #maemo for Monday, 2006-10-23

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inzI have a log since around 2005/05/3014:11
inzonly 19M14:11
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mgedminhttp://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog14:14
mgedmininz: if you email me the log, I'll put it up on the web14:14
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* mgedmin discovers that he cannot change the topic14:15
_follower__wtf, some1's been logging this channel at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2006-10-23.log.html what about my privacy? why wasn't I informed?14:16
_follower__:-D14:16
* mgedmin hides under a rock14:17
* _follower__ kicks nearby rock...14:18
* mgedmin whistles nonchalantly14:19
Feral_KidDoes anyone have a full source.list that I can look at... I would rather do a cut and paste as opposed to me trying to copy it from the wiki14:19
* Fatal greps _follower_ #maemo.* >privacyschimacy.log and posts it on the internet14:19
_follower__$#@#@NO CARRIER14:20
Fatal+++ATH14:20
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_not_follower__hello my name is edwardo... :-)14:21
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_not_follower__and yes, i have way too much time on my hands...14:22
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koentko: your 'unresolved issues' thing rocks14:37
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tigertkoen: will relay the message to him14:41
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koentigert: thanks14:51
sxpert-workhttp://bash.org/?70009114:51
tigertkoen: he was pleased14:51
tigert"lets hope it works internally too"14:51
tigertsxpert-work: did you compile geoclue already btw?14:52
sxpert-worktigert: I don't know where I put my 770 :(14:52
sxpert-workit's "somewhere" :(14:52
tigertsxpert-work: eek14:53
tigertsxpert-work: but geoclue is not just for 77014:53
sxpert-workah.. hmmm14:53
tigertits a dbus thing that tells you where you are, abstracting the actual job of figuring it out from you14:53
sxpert-workhah. hmmm14:53
sxpert-worktigert: btw, a company started to use OSM data ;D14:54
sxpert-workhttp://www.opengeodata.org/?p=9914:54
mgedminhey, can anyone here update the channel topic?14:57
Feral_KidWhen I repository fails because of no gpg key, I do I find what the proper key is?14:57
mgedminit would be nice to inform people that the channel is now logged at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/14:57
tigertsxpert-work: woot14:57
sxpert-worktigert: hehe14:57
tigertmgedmin: uhg14:57
tigertmgedmin: imho irc should really not be logged14:57
tigertwhat's the point?14:58
mgedminblame Feral_Kid and _follower__14:58
mgedminwhat's the harm?14:58
koentigert: #maemo should be logged14:58
tigertkoen: it should?14:58
inztigert, if you're feeling down, and want to read how stupid other ppl are, irclogs are great!14:58
koentigert: till nokia starts using the mailinglist to tell us about new stuff14:58
Feral_KidI accept full blame...14:58
tigertI've got used to the thing that mailing lists are the "record" and the irc is informal channel14:59
tigertkoen: but yea, I agree with that one14:59
tigertthere's a push inside to get people talk about open things in the mailing list14:59
tigertits just slow and hard to change the way they have used to do everything14:59
koendisable internal mail :)14:59
tigertie, internal lists should be only for stuff that cannot be open14:59
koenauto CC: maemo-developers :)14:59
tigert:)15:00
_not_follower__inz: LOL15:00
inzkoen, they're running exchange anyway, it's almost the same as "disabled"15:00
_not_follower__it's good for google-bait too, sometimes...15:00
inzA good change to rais your page rank, eh?15:01
_not_follower__i have to say it's probably unwiseto assume that a public channel isn't b'n logged somewhere..15:01
inzmywebsite.comnetorg! mywebsite.comnetorg! mywebsite.comnetorg!15:01
_not_follower__inz: that wasn't quite what i was thinking :-)15:02
Feral_KidOk, the next question... Does anyone use FBreader? I tried to copy my books.xml from flash to my mmc, and although it copy correctly, when I open up fbreader on my mmc boot it still fails to read the information properly...15:02
inzAnyway, IMO irclog that is not searchable is quite close to useless.15:03
inzOf course google does take care of that after a while.15:03
Feral_KidOn the otherhand, where there are days that some information is posted that is worthwhile to more than just a single person, I think that it add value...15:04
_not_follower__like, for example to find out whether irc channels should be logged...15:05
Jaffa...or we find out about cod, the next version of the IT OS.15:07
* _not_follower__ thinks "no, i'm not going to say that sounds fishy..."15:09
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* Jaffa groans, I think you floundered on that one. Just be a little bit more koi in future?15:13
_not_follower__:-)15:14
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Guardianis there something to play mods on the 770 ?16:25
glass_hmm16:26
glass_does mplayer?16:26
glass_most commandline players should port over at least16:26
Guardianwell would like that for a simple game16:27
Guardianso i'm looking for a lib16:27
Guardianmaybe libmikmod has been ported, or minifmod but did not find a port yet16:27
glass_i would think that they wouldn't need much porting if any16:27
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pancakehi17:47
pancakewhat's the /dev/dsp equivalent in maemo?17:47
Guardiani would like to have my 770 use its lcd screen and also export display to a pc+beamer through wifi17:49
Guardianwould it be possible ?17:49
pancakeyup17:49
Guardianand if yes how17:50
pancakeexport DISPLAY=ip17:50
pancakeand then start the rest of apps17:50
Guardianbut then it won't use the builtin screen right ?17:51
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pancakenope, the remote one17:51
Guardiani would like to have both17:51
inzpancake, I think the most supported audio output methods are gstreamer and esd17:51
inzGuardian, how 'bout x11vnc?17:51
pancakeGuardian: once booted the device, open a terminal and run this stuff17:51
pancakeinz: i'm porting sidplay2 to it17:51
pancakelooks like it only supports dsp :/17:52
Guardianinz: hmm never thought about it yes17:52
Guardianinz: could work17:52
Guardianwouldn't it be slower than hmm "just export display" ?17:52
inzGuardian, perhaps some, but it wasn't too slow on IT200517:53
pancake"slower" ?17:53
Guardiani meant framerate on the remote display17:53
pancakeslow as X11 thru wifi :)17:54
Guardiank17:54
pancakeinz: looks like /dev/dsptask/pcm# returns error17:55
Takan oss emulation method for esd or gstreamer would be great17:55
pancakeoss can't be emulated in userland afaik17:55
inzpancake, there's a sid plugin for gstreamer in gstreamer-plugins-ugly, maybe you should package that and use it?17:56
pancakeoh, let me try17:56
pancakeplugins-ugly?17:57
inzTak, isn't esddsp supposed to do that?17:58
pancakewtf is called ugly?!17:58
Takyou tell me17:58
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Takif so, then perfect - I can have sound with my fceu :-)17:58
inzpancake, the ugly plugins are good plugins with bad licenses17:58
pancakeuh ok17:59
inzpancake, http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/gstreamer/gst-plugins-ugly/ext/sidplay/17:59
pancakewhat's it's license?17:59
inzI dunno17:59
pancakeumf i think is better to wrap the open(/dev/dsp into something for esd18:01
pancakeat least looks easier18:01
inzI think it would be better to use gstreamer, but what do I know18:01
pancakeno idea about how difficult is to build a gstreamer plugin inside scratchbox18:01
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inzpancake, I'd guess it's just as easy as anything else.18:02
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cfhhi all18:05
cfhwhere can i find a iax client (soft phone) for maemo ?18:05
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pancakecfh: i think no one exists/has been ported yet18:07
pancakeyou'r welcome :)18:08
pancakewhen is the next release of maemo planned to be released?18:09
cfhok , thanks18:09
cfh:)18:10
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pancakebtw no decent sip client exists too18:10
pancakegtalk sux, crashes and didn't work under NAT18:11
pancakeminisip is everything but small and also crashes18:11
cfhpancake: yes but iax is too better sip18:12
pancakei know18:12
pancakebut no clients exist yet18:12
pancake(for maemo i mean)18:12
cfhok18:12
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cfhbut where is the problem ? iax lib ?18:12
pancakethere's no problem afaik18:13
pancakethe problem is that no one tried to do't yet18:13
pancakei could help you on that18:13
pancakei'm also interested to find a solution for the voip+maemo18:13
cfhok pancake , from 1 week arrive my nokia 770 and then test IAX :)18:15
pancakehehe ok :)18:15
pancakedo you've jabber?18:15
cfhyes18:16
pancakepancake@nopcode.org18:16
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pancakei'm not always in irc18:16
pancakewe can met there18:16
cfhok18:19
pancakehttp://moziax.mozdev.org/18:20
pancakelol18:20
pancakecfh: subscribe me18:20
pancakeok18:20
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tkommm, over 2000km bicycling this year..20:10
tkoand I'm not even tired :)20:10
inzI wonder how much I've cycled...20:11
inzMaybe the 2000 Mm would be quite near for me too.20:12
tkoan odometer is handy.. :)20:12
inzEh, 2 Mm20:12
inztko, could be, but I don't really care how much I cycle, it's just the best way to get to work.20:13
inztko, car is way too expensive, and bus takes double the time it takes by bike20:13
tkofor me bus takes about the same time as bike20:14
tkoand since I get easily around by public transportation I haven't felt the need for a car20:14
Takaren't you all sweaty when you get to work?20:14
tkoTak, yeah, but we have this wonderful invention called 'a shower' ... :)20:15
Takthe vast majority of employers here don't have them :-/20:15
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inzI've yet to find a shower, but quick freshing up in the toilet and clean set of clothes from the back pack makes wonders.20:16
inzThere probably is shower somewhere, but been too lazy to look one up.20:16
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tkokoen, thanks. if you have improvement ideas or suggestions to get on or off the list, feel free20:38
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chunhi all20:54
chunthere is ssh client for 2006OS?20:56
koencheck the aplication catalog20:57
chuni mean, i realized that the entire system tools section in ApplicationCatalog2006 wiki is not there20:57
chunkoen: what's listed in ApplicationCatalog wiki is only for 2005OS, right?20:58
koenso check the 2006 one20:59
chunwell, its not listed in the 2006 one20:59
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mgedminehh?  openssh was listed there last time I checked21:04
koenand dropbear21:04
mgedminthe package has both the client and the server21:04
mgedminthis may have confused chun21:04
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* chun is confused indeed...:/21:06
chunmgedmin: i mean, i don't see openssh in the 2006 app wiki21:06
chunmgedmin: and the entire system tools section in the 2005 app wiki21:07
mgedminyeah, somebody removed it, looks like21:07
chunmgedmin: so, if i understand correctly, there is working openssh for 2006OS?21:09
mgedminyes21:09
chunmgedmin: or, the entire system tools from the 2005OS21:09
chunPHEW.........21:09
chunmgedmin: thx;)21:09
mgedmin'sudo apt-get install ssh'21:09
mgedminafter you get root21:09
mgedminit comes from the maemo repository21:09
* chun can't wait for his 770 to arrive in 48 hrs;)21:10
* mgedmin found http://maemo.org/maemowiki/CatalogueApplications200621:10
mgedminthis one still has the "command line tools" section21:10
mgedminbut it is half-translated into French21:10
chunhttp://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog200621:11
chunis what i was looking at:/21:11
mgedminit used to have the command line tools section too21:11
mgedmincheck the history21:11
mgedminI wonder who removed it and why21:11
chuni see, well, i didn't think of digging into the page history21:12
mgedminoh, it's here: http://maemo.org/maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006?action=diff21:13
mgedminlooks like an editor accident to me21:13
chunheh=)21:13
* mgedmin wanted to restore the text, but someone called 'search1' now has the edit page open21:14
chunthe joy of wiki;)21:15
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mgedminok, app catalog page is now restored, thanks for noticing, chun21:27
chunmgedmin: np21:30
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