| joorin | oh my, stars, i see stars, while looking in /etc/dbus-1/system.d | 00:03 |
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| joorin | and no less installed. and i cant find one to install either. im guessing on account of extras not working. | 00:04 |
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| SpeedEvil | in tools repo | 00:08 |
| joorin | oh? should i just google that to find which repo to add? | 00:12 |
| joorin | ah, found the repe description, thank you. | 00:14 |
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| joorin | dbus looks as intricate as gconf with the same level of secrecy. | 00:22 |
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| joorin | perhaps the wrong place to ask, but, is it possible to ask the dbus system which methods have been registered in it from a certain interface? or is it all about finding the documentation for the service im interested in and read there? | 00:55 |
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| csaavedra | how do I upload a webpage to be seen in my-project.garage.maemo.org ? | 14:50 |
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| amigadave | csaavedra: http://wiki.maemo.org/Getting_started_with_Maemo_Garage#Creating_a_website | 14:51 |
| csaavedra | great, thank you | 14:51 |
| amigadave | np | 14:52 |
| joorin | just past 10C here, i want warmer weather. | 15:03 |
| csaavedra | you lucky one | 15:04 |
| joorin | oh? | 15:11 |
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| joorin | any suggestions for a resource where i can find all the GTK+ widgets enumerated with some pictures to show examples? im looking for a tabbed pane thingy and itd be nice to get an overview. | 15:22 |
| joorin | ive found the hildon examples, https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/maemoexamples/trunk/hildon-examples/, but its kinf od hard to see what theyll do from code alone... | 15:23 |
| joorin | and no, at the moment Qt isnt interesting. | 15:25 |
| amigadave | joorin: on the desktop, gtk-demo should be what you are looking for | 15:26 |
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| joorin | amigadave, i find no such app on my desktop. | 15:27 |
| amigadave | not sure which package it might be in | 15:27 |
| amigadave | for me, it comes with the gtk+ package | 15:27 |
| joorin | amigadave, ok. ill have a look at it. thank you. | 15:28 |
| amigadave | gtk2.0-examples on Ubuntu, by the looks of it | 15:28 |
| lcuk | joorin, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/ch02.html | 15:28 |
| joorin | lcuk, thank you! | 15:28 |
| lcuk | :) more than welcome | 15:29 |
| amigadave | those images are out of date though ;) | 15:29 |
| lcuk | doesnt matter gives the idea | 15:29 |
| amigadave | the hildonmm examples are more recent, but i need to redo them: http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/figures/ | 15:29 |
| lcuk | and clicking on each takes you to the api for them | 15:29 |
| joorin | but, even thought this is useful, its kind of toplevel. id like to play aroudn with the tabbed subparticle in the font selector, for example. | 15:30 |
| lcuk | some people are never satisfied :p | 15:31 |
| joorin | but i guess UTSL is whats the thing. ;) | 15:31 |
| joorin | lcuk, im picky. ;) | 15:31 |
| joorin | this goes into bookmars nonetheless. | 15:31 |
| joorin | if anyone has any idea about how to decode the flags stored in gconf for internet connections id like that too. :) | 15:32 |
| joorin | im thinking about brute force, as in fiddling with settings, saving, looking, and diffing. | 15:32 |
| joorin | but if its saved somewhere, id like to know. | 15:32 |
| joorin | if the information is avilable, that is. | 15:32 |
| joorin | and splelling is hard. | 15:32 |
| joorin | and i have to say i didnt know i would like thet linker flag -rpath-link as much as i did. | 15:34 |
| joorin | ah, lookie: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/gtk/GtkNotebook.html | 15:44 |
| joorin | just what i was looking for. pictures do tell more than a thousand lines of code. | 15:44 |
| joorin | got to learn and do things today, indeed. | 15:46 |
| joorin | now over to the sticky stuff, programming. ;) | 15:47 |
| Pavel | I am trying to diagnose inappropriately high CPU/IO use when (I think) downloading certain types of files on the N900. Is there a utility that would log CPU and IO use by process over time? | 15:48 |
| joorin | pavel, define "inappropriate" in this context. | 15:49 |
| lcuk | pavel batterygraph runs a daemon and logs to database showing lots of metrics and a pretty graph | 15:49 |
| lcuk | battery bars, percentage, voltage, charge cpu, on charge, network etc :) | 15:50 |
| joorin | pavel, userland processes try to grab as much time in the CPU as they can. yuo can always uce nice to make a process hog the CPU less | 15:50 |
| csaavedra | joorin: there was a bug with some newer screenshots. Dave Neary had volunteered to prepare a patch to update the hildon docs but he got MIA.. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4625 | 15:50 |
| povbot | Bug 4625: Widget gallery is very out-of-date. | 15:50 |
| joorin | csaavedra, ok. | 15:50 |
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| joorin | pavel, if its a matter or simple throttling of downloads, nice is a handy tool. | 15:51 |
| joorin | pavel, there are also some issues with Linux kernels not handling IO in a good way when it comes to desktop usage. | 15:52 |
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| joorin | pavel, but there are fixes, like the BrainFuck scheduler thats in the 2.6.33 kernel. | 15:52 |
| lcuk | csaavedra, i was speaking to albanc the other day about a mini gallery/test app to be able to make decent screenshots of how a theme would look - similar app could be used in this context too | 15:53 |
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| csaavedra | if someone wants to go ahead and write something like gtk-demo I'd be OK with pushing it to hildon | 15:55 |
| * lcuk nods | 15:55 | |
| lcuk | whats your new garage project? | 15:55 |
| csaavedra | nothing new, just creating a page for mafw-lastfm | 15:56 |
| lcuk | cool | 15:56 |
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| Pavel | joorin: Actually, my current hypothesis is that the video thumbnailer or some other indexing process tries to "re-index" the file every time a downloaded chunk of it is written. | 16:03 |
| Pavel | lcuk: Thanks, I'll try that. Does it give by-the-process granularity? | 16:03 |
| Pavel | Oh, looks like top is installed. | 16:06 |
| Pavel | top -b should do the trick. | 16:06 |
| joorin | pavel, ok. depending on how its saved, as in which part of the FS API is triggered and if the thumbnailer has registered to woken up when it changes, this can turn cmoplicated. | 16:07 |
| joorin | pavel, the linux kernel offers some low level signalling to avoid polling by hand. | 16:07 |
| Pavel | joorin: If my theory is correct, the problem isn't in the polling, but in that the thumbnailer runs every time a piece of the file is written, which is many, many times per download. | 16:08 |
| csaavedra | does vcs.maemo.org even work? I can't push | 16:12 |
| csaavedra | ok, I was pushing through https | 16:13 |
| csaavedra | now it worked | 16:13 |
| joorin | pavel, well, if the thumbnailer is run often, it should be because its polling too often... ;) | 16:15 |
| joorin | pavel, or for the wrong reasons. | 16:15 |
| joorin | and GUI programming can actually be fun. it has to be that its so easy to get results with Hildon/GTK+. | 16:16 |
| joorin | oh, are there any special reasons that i should try to use hildon widgets as much as possible instead of GTK+ ones directly? | 16:16 |
| joorin | for buttons and selectors and the such. | 16:17 |
| frals | hildon ones are fingerfriendlier and are pretty! | 16:18 |
| joorin | frals, ok. | 16:18 |
| Pavel | joorin: Not necessarily --- if it's using some notification API, it could just be getting notified all the time, and reacting. | 16:18 |
| joorin | pavel, perhaps do a testrun where you download to another place and then do an mv to the place where the thumbnailer looks and see if you only get one instance running? | 16:19 |
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| joorin | frals, ive found the example with a reddit reader with fnigerfriendly scrolling, it looks pretty easy. | 16:19 |
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| joorin | oops, i re-implemented parts of HildonCaption. oh well, lots of fun. | 17:58 |
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| zgoldberg | Hm, has anybody else noticed that sharing video via the n900 reduces the quality a lot? | 19:17 |
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| joorin | zgoldberg, how do you share it? | 19:26 |
| zgoldberg | joorin: sharing -> share via service -> send via pixelpipe | 19:26 |
| joorin | zgoldberg, oh. is that some kind of streaming? | 19:26 |
| zgoldberg | no | 19:27 |
| joorin | pixelpipe sound like there has been done some serious resampling. | 19:27 |
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| joorin | ill just have to google it. ;) | 19:27 |
| joorin | zgoldberg, looks like a hosting site. do they guarantee that they wont tamper with the data to reduce storage size/bandwidth? | 19:30 |
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| zgoldberg | unless they hae some kind of super computer that i've never heard of its way to fast for them to be touching the data | 19:32 |
| zgoldberg | the video shows up in my youtube folder almost instantly | 19:32 |
| zgoldberg | (and then youtube takes 5 mins to process it) | 19:32 |
| zgoldberg | it also makes no sense for them to touch the data | 19:32 |
| joorin | zgoldberg, awesome speed suggests downsampling... | 19:32 |
| zgoldberg | im pretty sure its done on the n900 | 19:32 |
| zgoldberg | no, no it doesn't | 19:32 |
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| Madsy | wtf.. 3 days and my SDK bug isn't even confirmed on the maemo bugzilla page. | 19:57 |
| lcuk | Madsy ? | 19:59 |
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| Madsy | lcuk: I just thought someone would respond faster, that's all | 20:07 |
| lcuk | well whats the bug? is it serious? | 20:09 |
| lcuk | does it stop lots of people from using sdk? | 20:09 |
| Madsy | lcuk: Depends on your view I guess: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9994 | 20:21 |
| povbot | Bug 9994: objdump segfaults when specifying a binary BFD | 20:21 |
| lcuk | ahhh Madsy i thought the entire sdk was broken then! | 20:27 |
| * lcuk hasnt heard of BFD before | 20:27 | |
| Madsy | It's kind of weird though. How do one manage to break just one of the GNU binutils, and only for one BFD? | 20:33 |
| Madsy | Kind of strange :) | 20:33 |
| lcuk | Madsy, its not the first armel specific bug | 20:39 |
| lcuk | (infact are you uusing the correct arch in your command line?) | 20:40 |
| Madsy | yes | 20:40 |
| lcuk | well debug it, find the point of failure? | 20:41 |
| lcuk | since you obviously care about this bug - try to give a bit more info and even see about a patch? :) | 20:42 |
| * lcuk --> tea | 20:42 | |
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| petert_ | Hi! The promotion of my package from Extras-devel to Extras-testing takes quite long ( http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/evopedia/0.3.1-maemo1/ ). Can someone help me? Should I create a new version and promote that? | 23:57 |
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