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| dragon900 | hi | 01:23 |
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| fluxper | hello everyone | 11:55 |
| fluxper | anyone here eager to give maemo developing advice? :) | 11:55 |
| lcuk | people will gauge their eagerness based on the simplicity of answering the question personally | 11:56 |
| lcuk | ask away | 11:56 |
| fluxper | well, i'm trying to get started with a desktop widget | 11:56 |
| fluxper | am i currect in my assumption that anything 'slidey' won't work because all sliding is being interpreted as a change desktop gesture? | 11:57 |
| fluxper | (if my coding is as bad as my typing, i might as well give up right now.. ;) | 11:57 |
| fluxper | ...assuming that's correct, i tried to put up some pushbuttons (via Qt, mind you), but there's something odd going on: the first click on a button never activates it, only subsequent ones. does anyone have an idea what the problem might be? | 11:59 |
| lcuk | ooh fluxper im not sure! qt widgets are in infancy - but there are some examples, do they exhibit the same problem? | 12:00 |
| fluxper | yes, that's what i thought.. didn't see any examples with buttons yet | 12:01 |
| fluxper | but i didn't look all too thoroughly yet | 12:01 |
| lcuk | ask around in #qt-maemo they might have more knowledge about which examples to check etc | 12:01 |
| fluxper | oh, ok, didn't know about that one | 12:01 |
| fluxper | thanks | 12:01 |
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| achipa | does anyone know what the mad-developer thingy is based on ? sbrsh ? or ? | 13:00 |
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| imironchik | Hi, guys. I need help. Ia anobody know how to handle camera hardware key events? | 15:11 |
| SpeedEvil | see camkeyd | 15:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I don't think it's possible to override the camera key fully pressed event opening the camera though | 15:13 |
| SpeedEvil | at least not without replacing nokia stuff | 15:13 |
| imironchik | I've heared abot camkeyd | 15:15 |
| imironchik | But I can't find theirs sources | 15:15 |
| imironchik | Cam you link me up to the sources? | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | nope | 15:16 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=camkeyd+source | 15:16 |
| imironchik | I was there. Only binaries | 15:20 |
| imironchik | shotcutd very useful in this case... | 15:22 |
| imironchik | here sources: http://repository.maemo.org/extras- devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/s/shortcutd | 15:22 |
| imironchik | thx for yours replies | 15:23 |
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| imironchik | Hi. Can anybody explain me where is service name, object path, interface of the DBus here: /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_cam_focus? Thx | 16:42 |
| imironchik | Abd sorry for the offtopic | 16:42 |
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| _Lucretia_ | I keep seeing mentions of emulated tools being run in the build process, what are these exactly? | 18:38 |
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| joorin | lucretia, its the evil called scratchbox that uses qemu to run armel binaries. | 19:37 |
| joorin | lucretia, it uses binfmt_misc in the kernel to make it happen (if i understood the setup properly). | 19:42 |
| _Lucretia_ | ok | 19:47 |
| _Lucretia_ | but I don't even understand why it's running armel binaries during a build anyway, this is a cross build ffs! | 19:47 |
| joorin | lucretia, if the armel binary is the one thats capable of generating armel binaries, thats how youll do it. i dont like it either. | 19:48 |
| joorin | lucretia, cross compiling has its own meaning here. | 19:48 |
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| lcuk | nahh cross compilation is one thing - making an entire toolkit operate and get ARMEL related answers at each stage of the build is completely different | 19:49 |
| joorin | lcuk, yes, i agree, but "cross compilation" is the name used by many when talking about what scratchbox does. | 19:50 |
| joorin | lcuk, as ive said before, an x86 compiler that generates armel binaries is what id like. | 19:51 |
| joorin | lcuk, but at the moment im going to see what i can do with the rootstrap i moved to the n900. compiling works fine but there is the issue with include files. | 19:51 |
| joorin | lcuk, sadly work and social things take too much time to really get going. | 19:53 |
| lcuk | joorin, dont most of hte linux packages require a complete build environment tho? | 19:55 |
| lcuk | ie, i believe gcc + a pre build standard libaray allows it to generate necessary binaries | 19:55 |
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| _Lucretia_ | from what I can see, the toolchain is x86: /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/libexec/gcc/arm-none-linux-gnueabi/4.2.1/cc1: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped | 19:56 |
| * _Lucretia_ is confused | 19:56 | |
| joorin | lcuk, if i get the include files where i want them, im getting somewhere. | 19:57 |
| joorin | lucretia, compile something with that compiler and check the binary... | 19:57 |
| joorin | lucretia, if its an x86 compiler that generates armel binaries, i have misunderstood quite close to everything. | 19:58 |
| _Lucretia_ | file a.out | 19:59 |
| _Lucretia_ | a.out: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped | 19:59 |
| joorin | lucretia, or im just overlooking some package with the compiler im looking for. | 19:59 |
| * joorin is getting tired now. | 19:59 | |
| _Lucretia_ | that was Built using /scratchbox/compilers/cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7/bin/arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc hello.c | 19:59 |
| lcuk | just get over scratchbox and move on | 20:00 |
| _Lucretia_ | lcuk: I would love to | 20:00 |
| lcuk | or if you dont at least you have a working build toolchain to compare against | 20:00 |
| lcuk | and poke around at | 20:00 |
| joorin | lcuk, im on my way to get over scratchbox, by creating my own development environment. ;) | 20:00 |
| lcuk | i did that last year | 20:00 |
| joorin | lucretia, could you check which package that compiler comes from? | 20:00 |
| lcuk | on device simplified my mind | 20:00 |
| _Lucretia_ | lcuk: how did you do it? | 20:00 |
| lcuk | native armel build system | 20:01 |
| lcuk | apt-get install build-essential | 20:01 |
| _Lucretia_ | joorin: that compiler comes from the codesourcery stuff | 20:01 |
| _Lucretia_ | lcuk: you built on an arm system? | 20:01 |
| lcuk | 600mhz is almost 10x faster than my amiga ever used to be | 20:01 |
| joorin | lucretia, scratchbox lists lists a whole lot of packages. if i could find the one with that binary in it, thing would look interesting. | 20:02 |
| * _Lucretia_ doesn't fancy compiling gcc on an n900 | 20:02 | |
| lcuk | its in a repository already | 20:02 |
| _Lucretia_ | joorin: it's listed in the maemo-scratchbox-*.sh | 20:02 |
| lcuk | but meh | 20:02 |
| joorin | lucretia, yes, but you did the install, i assume, so youd be able to ask the packaging system which package the binary belong to. or couldnt you? | 20:03 |
| * _Lucretia_ is not up on debian commands, hang on | 20:03 | |
| joorin | lucretia, looking in all packages to find which one has that is possible but youve done the install. | 20:03 |
| joorin | the equivalence of rpm -qf /path/to/binary | 20:04 |
| _Lucretia_ | in the install script, there are mentions of both scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7-1.0.14-2-i386.tar.gz and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7_1.0.14-2_i386.deb | 20:05 |
| joorin | lucretia, ok. then i guess ill have to check that one. thank you for looking. | 20:05 |
| joorin | but in tgz shape, it looks like source. no fun to compile it. | 20:08 |
| _Lucretia_ | dpkg -S arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc | 20:08 |
| _Lucretia_ | dpkg: *arm-none-linux-gnueabi-gcc* not found. | 20:08 |
| _Lucretia_ | joorin: no, the shell script downloads the binaries | 20:09 |
| joorin | lucretia, so __download_source_tarball is just a scare? | 20:09 |
| joorin | meh, im sure its easy to convert .deb to whatever. | 20:10 |
| _Lucretia_ | what do you mean, scare? | 20:14 |
| joorin | i was just trying to see how one would go about not having to compile things and overlooked converting the deb binary packages to something else, like a plain tar.gz and put wherever i want. | 20:15 |
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| joorin | the tiny 2GByte partition will sure be very full. | 20:16 |
| _Lucretia_ | Joonas: debs are iirc, ar archives I think | 20:16 |
| joorin | but for now i think i should just shut up and tinker a bit. ;) | 20:16 |
| _Lucretia_ | there is a way to extract the 3 files from a deb, the data.tgz will be the one with all the files in | 20:16 |
| _Lucretia_ | tbh, it should be possible to build a compiler outside of sb and use it inside | 20:18 |
| joorin | indeed. | 20:18 |
| joorin | but if i get a binary in my lap, ill use it to get fast builds. | 20:18 |
| joorin | and if i expose the development environment to the n900, ill be able to run the result directly. | 20:18 |
| _Lucretia_ | i'll let you know if I get anywhere | 20:21 |
| _Lucretia_ | joorin: you on linux right? | 20:21 |
| joorin | lucretia, indeed. | 20:21 |
| * _Lucretia_ is reinstalling scratchbox cos his install might be fucked | 20:21 | |
| joorin | 357MBytes of compiler goodness. oh my. | 20:25 |
| joorin | i do wonder how this differs from the rootstrap apart from the binary status. hohum, ill tinker a bit more. | 20:26 |
| joorin | oh my, hello world compiled by native compiler to armelv7 in the blink of an eye. no its starting to look interesting. | 20:28 |
| joorin | "now" | 20:28 |
| _Lucretia_ | you working with the sb sdk? | 20:29 |
| joorin | lucretia, abusing it more likely. | 20:29 |
| _Lucretia_ | afaik, the rootstrap contains a basic fs for bootstrapping the boot of the n900, this is used on boot, which then gets switched over to the actualy fs | 20:29 |
| joorin | lucretia, i see. | 20:30 |
| _Lucretia_ | in the install I see this: Saving to: `/tmp/scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7_1.0.14-2_i386.deb' | 20:30 |
| _Lucretia_ | and that file is now in /tmp | 20:31 |
| joorin | what im looking for now is the hildon, gtk and qt include files to be able to compile for those. | 20:32 |
| joorin | what would be the dev package in RPM lingo. | 20:32 |
| _Lucretia_ | er, this is debs not rpms | 20:35 |
| joorin | lucretia, yes, i know. ;) | 20:35 |
| joorin | lucretia, but i have no idea how deb packages are divided when it comes to binaries and include files. in the RPM world, itd be the dev package that id download. | 20:35 |
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| joorin | lucretia, but this is something of a special case. | 20:37 |
| _Lucretia_ | in debian, the development files are separated into a *-devel* deb | 20:37 |
| _Lucretia_ | that includes all incude files | 20:37 |
| joorin | lucretia, ok. | 20:37 |
| _Lucretia_ | there are then debug deb's which include debug builds of libs | 20:38 |
| _Lucretia_ | iirc, rpm separates bin and devel too | 20:38 |
| joorin | lucretia, but in this case, is it hildon-devel.deb im looking for or something from the SDK or something from the scratchbox install? | 20:38 |
| _Lucretia_ | joorin: apt-cache search hildon | 20:38 |
| _Lucretia_ | from within sb | 20:38 |
| joorin | lucretia, ha i been running debian, that might have worked, alas im running fedora. | 20:38 |
| joorin | oh well, time to eat. tinkering will have wait a bit. | 20:40 |
| joorin | lucretia, thank you for your help. | 20:40 |
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| _Lucretia_ | joorin: but, sb uses debian tools | 20:41 |
| joorin | lucretia, and i do my best to ignore that. ;) | 20:54 |
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| joorin | lucretia, you wouldnt happen to know the exact name of the maemo-sdk-dev deb file you downloaded? | 21:42 |
| joorin | apt-get update fails for me... | 21:43 |
| joorin | and i dont get why http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/sdk is protected from directory listing. is there anything secret in there? | 21:47 |
| joorin | all this talk about debian being the open and free platform, pfff... | 21:55 |
| joorin | but really, why hide a repository? | 21:56 |
| joorin | and apt-get has no verbose flag apart from showing fancy version number. | 21:58 |
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| SpeedEvil | Blame incompetence - or nobody thinking when setting up the webserver. | 22:03 |
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| joorin | speedevil, well, its a punishment if all that stands between me and hildon, gtk+ and qt includes (with libraries) is hidden like that. | 22:08 |
| joorin | but i guess apt-get fails for some debian specific reason. | 22:09 |
| joorin | apt-get update | 22:10 |
| joorin | Ign http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk Release.gpg | 22:10 |
| joorin | 12% [Working]FATAL -> Could not set non-blocking flag Bad file descriptor | 22:10 |
| joorin | E: Method http has died unexpectedly! | 22:10 |
| joorin | meh. | 22:10 |
| joorin | either apt-get is crap at reporting errors or some other error is broken. | 22:11 |
| joorin | but as it stand now, i can develop command line applications. thats a start at least. | 22:13 |
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| joorin | im thinking about exploring a bit, like with this proximity meter. | 22:14 |
| joorin | ive seen some DBus daemon for it but feels like cheating. | 22:14 |
| joorin | and the accelerometer is interesting. | 22:15 |
| joorin | i even gt that Nokia token thingy and added it to /etc/apt/sources.list | 22:17 |
| joorin | and its cute how Nokia and Apple share the same clause about never being responsible to pay more than 10USD in damages if they fuck things up. | 22:18 |
| _Lucretia_ | joorin: I downloaded the shell scripts from forum.nokia | 22:32 |
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| joorin | lucretia, do you have a log of the deb packages that were downloaded while installing the SDK? | 23:20 |
| joorin | lucretia, or do you perhaps still have them in your /tmp or wherever you placed them? | 23:20 |
| joorin | and changing the method to ftp in sources.list makes no difference. ;( | 23:31 |
| joorin | connection refused. | 23:31 |
| joorin | oh my. after creating /dev/null with mknod, apt-get runs just fine. | 23:37 |
| joorin | this is so much fun. ;) | 23:38 |
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| joorin | and installing nokia-binaries put me juuust over 1GByte of data. with some errors, of course. | 23:46 |
| joorin | so, id say im all set for developing whatever i want after i fix the broken dependencies in regards to dynamically linkable libraries. | 23:47 |
| joorin | and after i make the compiler play nice. oh my. | 23:51 |
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