IRC log of #maemo-devel for Tuesday, 2010-01-05

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jebbaciao, good luck02:04
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Kamuihow does one disable compositing on an app that is running slowly?03:28
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T7gKamui, I think this has a code snippet that does it; http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=428996&postcount=10304:27
Kamuiaah, t7g, so I have to actually build it into the source04:31
T7gpretty sure, haven't heard of any other ways to do it yet04:39
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Kamuihmm, no biggie, Ill have to do some studying of the blender code to see how this might apply05:16
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dimitris82zhi all11:14
dimitris82zcan i create qt apps on n900 ?11:14
Jaffadimitris82z: Yes11:15
dimitris82zJaffa, can i develop with qt creator and put the sdk there ? or i must do it with the scratchbox way?11:15
dimitris82zi am using windows and fedora 12 x6411:16
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dimitris82zno huh ?11:21
dimitris82zis there a possibility to have in near future ?11:21
Stskeepsyou can use MADDE for windows as well11:21
dimitris82zStskeeps, could you give me some advice or g00gle it ?11:22
dimitris82zhere ? http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE11:22
scooprI just myself installed madde.. while it says it's tech preview, what's the general feeling, is it generally usable?11:24
dimitris82zscoopr, nods11:24
dimitris82zthnx for help11:25
Jaffadimitris82z: Qt Creator is a bit immature; but it, combined with MADDE, are the future.11:25
Jaffa(AFAICT)11:25
dimitris82zJaffa, i like very much qt creator and i have start already learning programming with qt c++11:26
dimitris82zJaffa, i will try madde but i dont have other choice11:27
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dimitris82zI saw the vmware image that has ubuntu with Esbox, i tried to fakeroot apt-get update in FREMANTLE_X86 but i saw that i dont have internet connection ,but on vmware image ubuntu i have , what am i doing wrong?11:38
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fluxdimitris82z, check out for resolv.conf maybe?11:41
fluxdimitris82z, you could try telnet/wget or something to try out your scratchbox-internet11:41
dimitris82zflux, i have already check ifconfig eth6 route and resolv.conf11:41
dimitris82zflux, i tried ping ..11:41
fluxnote that it's not the system /etc/resolv.conf, but in any case, if that's not the problem then I don't have suggestions, that's just one issue I had :)11:42
dimitris82zflux, where is the other resolv ?11:43
dimitris82z:P11:43
fluxI don't remember, find /scratchbox -name resolv.conf11:43
dimitris82zflux, thnx flux11:43
dimitris82zflux, /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf11:44
dimitris82zflux, so i need to ifconfig and route from /scratchbox right?11:46
dimitris82zflux, with fakeroot ?11:48
fluxdimitris82z, I don't think so11:49
fluxatleast I've never used those11:49
flux(in sb)11:49
dimitris82zflux, it needs relogin ?11:50
dimitris82zflux, not working again :(11:50
fluxmaybe, I don't remember how it worked the last time I used it11:50
dimitris82zflux,  oh ok..11:50
dimitris82zflux, ubunntu has firewall on ?11:51
fluxI think scratchbox is just a glorified chroot environment, spiced with qemu11:52
dimitris82zflux, because when i tried it with fedora all worked fine with the jebba howtos11:52
fluxso firewall doesn't really matter11:52
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BabelO_hi11:53
fluxdimitris82z, ifconfig ethX should show exactly the same in scratchbox as it looks outside it, no?11:54
fluxdimitris82z, do ip addresses work?11:54
dimitris82zflux, its shows exactly the same as ubuntu vm-image11:54
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dimitris82zvery nice madde doesnt play windows lol11:59
dimitris82zlol at last i run the emulator!12:14
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asj__yay the .deb works, damn, what a pita12:18
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dimitris82zlol ! in the emulator i can open pages but in mantle_x86 i cant apt-get update! lol12:21
woglinde?????12:21
dimitris82zwoglinde, i just test the maemo interface! i love it! i open web page from there and has internet but in the terminal if i run fakeroot apt-get update it tells me that cannot resolve nokes.nokia.com12:22
woglindedimitris82z fix resolv.conf12:23
woglindeits a known bug sometimes with the sdk12:23
dimitris82zwoglinde, i tried ini the howto of this page http://theunlockr.com/2009/11/18/want-to-play-with-a-nokia-n900-right-now-well-kinda/12:23
dimitris82zwoglinde, i just cp the local to mantle_x8612:24
woglindecheck /etc/resolv.conf12:24
dimitris82zwoglinde, its ok12:24
dimitris82zok and to /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf either /scratchbox/users/maemo/etc/resolv.conf12:26
woglindecan you ping something with ip?12:27
dimitris82zwoglinde, i have noticed that i can wget!12:27
dimitris82zwoglinde, i cant ping because it need apt-get to install it first12:27
dimitris82zwoglinde, it needs to put new repos ?12:28
dimitris82zwoglinde, my repo list is good ?12:28
woglindedimitris82z with ip or with hostname wget?12:28
dimitris82zwoglinde, i tried this :http://theunlockr.com/2009/11/18/want-to-play-with-a-nokia-n900-right-now-well-kinda/12:29
dimitris82zwog wrong12:29
dimitris82zi tried this : wget http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe...../nokia-binaries/12:29
woglindehm ah the nokia binaries12:30
woglindehm works here12:30
dimitris82zwoglinde, wht else to try?12:31
dimitris82zwoglinde, is it "nokes.nokia.com" right???12:31
dimitris82zcould not resolve 'nokes.nokia.com'12:32
woglindenope12:32
dimitris82zfrom all repo12:32
woglindedeb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/bigpersonalnumber nokia-binaries12:32
dimitris82zwoglinde, only this needs ? the other sdk.. tools non-free and free?12:33
woglindethe other should word12:33
woglindeargs work12:33
dimitris82zwoglinde, vi /etc/apt/sources.list right ? not in /scratchbox ?12:34
woglindeinside sratchbox12:34
dimitris82zdamn12:34
woglindesratchbox login12:34
woglindeedit /etc/apt/sources.list12:34
dimitris82zwoglinde, i am already in but i say in the path like : /scratchbox/users/maemo/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/etc/apt/sources.list ?12:35
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dimitris82zwoglinde, its the same there too12:37
woglindeinside sratchbox you dont have /scratchbox12:37
dimitris82z[sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] >   ?12:38
dimitris82zhere i have lol12:38
woglindehm12:39
woglindeokay12:39
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hrwmorning14:17
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scooprhm, couldn't get mad remote debug to work, says can't find gdb14:47
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lcukscoopr, which version of gdb15:09
scooprI wouldn't know, what ever comes with MADDE I suppose15:09
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* lcuk nods15:18
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hrwtime to finally check my app on device15:19
lcukhrw, is it a qt app15:24
hrwyes15:24
lcukwould it be possible for you to install a proposed gdb 7.0 whilst its in limbo15:25
lcuk(ie before main servers but been tested with me for a while)15:25
hrwnot today15:25
lcukok15:25
hrwI plan to spend less time on dev side of maemo515:26
hrwneed to regain sanity15:26
lcukheh good point15:26
lcukyour posting about the splattering of versions is pretty spot on15:27
hrwlenny based maemo5 would be nice to have15:27
hrwbut thats nokia so we will stay with current crap until maemo1115:27
ifreqwhy does the msn-plugins import offline contacts which ive allready removed locally and from the server?15:33
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hrwARGHH15:40
hrwlooks like qt 4.6 did not enabled kinetic scrolling15:40
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ruskiehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQYrfTVMQkY <-- fun... make it a mini game for the n900 and use the acceloremeter to swing it ;)17:50
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hrwhi19:31
sjaenschhrw: hi19:32
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woglindehrw next funny think with n90019:34
woglindethe dialer dont let you dial *100#19:34
ruskienothing new19:35
hrwor any other * started19:35
woglinderuskie he I only discovered it today19:35
hrwwoglinde: as ruskie said - old bug19:35
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woglindeas I wanted to check my prepaid sim card19:36
hrwwoglinde: it is maemo - you expected working software?19:36
woglinde*g*19:37
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jebbasome russian guys figured out how to hack around it, but the link is 404 now  :(20:04
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ruskiejebba, tried google cache?20:55
ruskieor archive.org ?20:55
jebbaruskie: i tried google cache, but no archive.org20:56
jebbawould be surprised if it hit archive.org20:56
ruskieyeah21:02
ruskiethey tend have a half year delay21:02
ruskiehmm what's this n900 rebate that people talk about??? and where does it apply?21:02
jebbano clue.21:06
sr71Amazon had this form for those who purchased the N900 from them: http://0x.to/v/n900_rebate.pdf21:15
sr71purchase date had to be between November 16th 2009 and December 31st 200921:16
jebbapfft.  $50 prepaid visa and you have to activate OVI store stuff too.21:17
jebbacan you even do that yet?21:17
jebbai did get one fone from amazon.21:17
sr71must be postmarked by January 8th 2010 and received by January 15th 201021:18
ruskieI also hear nokia.fr has something21:18
hrwquestion: since MyDocs partition can be not available (due to usb-storage) can package install something there?21:19
ruskiefrom what I know yes21:19
hrwbut if it is unmounted at package install time it will fail21:20
ruskiewhy... it can get installed21:20
ruskiethe dir is still there21:20
hrwI want to install /home/user/MyDocs/modules/utwory.sqlite file. when partition is mounted it is fine. when it is unmounted then it will install fine but dir will be 'covered' by /home/user/MyDocs/ partition contents and not available for my app21:21
hrwAm I right?21:24
woglindelalala21:37
jebbahrw: yes, your logic seems sound.21:44
jebbabut someone would have to be mounting their N900 via USB to their PC in that scenario.21:44
jebbadebs installing things to  ~/MyDocs (or ~ in general) seems to be a dodgy practice IMHO21:44
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woglindeyeah no deb should install something to users dir21:46
hrwjebba: my app fetches Protracker modules from net to MyDocs/modules/ dir (as maemo guide requires). it also uses 2.7MB sqlite3 database21:46
hrwjebba: so why not keeping it in same place?21:47
hrwwoglinde: I know - but this is maemo...21:47
jebbaok, go ahead ;)21:47
jebbai'm just saying the scenario you outlined above would result in your file being mounted over and invisible.21:47
jebbajust like you said21:47
hrwyep21:47
woglindehrw hm its extra21:47
woglindeor not?21:48
jebbathough a .deb install probably shouldn't run out to the net either i wouldnt think...21:48
woglindethere is no qa on extras you can only voted the crappy debs down21:48
hrwbinary of player will land in /usr/bin/ dir, its deps in /opt/ dir, data in MyDocs/ subdir...21:48
jebbawoglinde: can you vote up my crappy app?  http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/burgerspace/1.8.3-18/21:48
woglindehe you karmawhore *g*21:49
jebbawell, i just want the thing to land in extras so a friend of mine in other part of world can install it and i dont have to handhold him  haha21:49
jebbahrw: probably best if your app installs it's binary to /opt as well.21:49
fluxthat problem could be fixed by chmodding ~user/MyDocs to 0, or possibly chowning it to 0.0 as well (before mounting)21:50
woglindelet auto optify it21:50
woglindeslow slow maemo.org21:50
jebbahrw: what is the application so i have an idea why you need to do this stuff?21:50
hrwjebba: protracker module player21:51
hrwbinary has ~60KB now21:51
jebbaah cool, so in /opt it can free up 60k  ;)   What files need to be dumped to ~/MyDocs?21:52
jebbaah protracker modules21:53
jebbahmm, why not /opt/protracker/modules  ?21:53
jebbaor somesuch21:53
hrwjebba: it can be 10GB of them21:54
hrwwhole collection has 10GB now21:54
hrwProtracker: 75556 files (10.0 GB total)21:54
jebbaso your deb is gonna wget 10G of files to dump in ~/MyDocs? That's madness.21:55
ifreqthis is madness /me kicks hrw into the pit21:57
ifreqTHIS IS #MAEMO-DEVEL!!21:57
ifreq*g*21:57
ifreqsorry.. bored21:57
hrwjebba: no21:57
hrwjebba: there will be two debs: small (up to 100KB unpacked) with player and second (up to 3MB unpacked) with database for player. modules are fetched when needed21:58
hrwand stored on disk for next use21:58
jebbaI'd suggest dumping those all in /opt/tracker/modules or somesuch and having your app also use ~/MyDocs/trackermodules or somesuch for user installed modiules they download later.21:59
jebbaalso, as a side note, ~/MyDocs can't symlink since its vfat22:00
hrwI do not need symlinks22:00
fluxdoesn't the retrieval and dumping of the modules happen as the user22:00
fluxnot much different from, say, a podcast downloader?22:00
fluxof course they should go to ~user/MyDocs ?22:01
hrwflux: it happens as user ofcouse22:01
jebbai just have  a "hunch" that installing .deb stuff to ~/* will come back to haunt at some point in the future.22:03
fluxnothing was going to be installed to ~, right?22:03
hrwfinally nothing will be22:04
hrwnow it is not even packaged ;D22:04
jebbaflux: ya, i think oringally he was considering it, but it's quite messsy ;)22:04
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