IRC log of #maemo-devel for Thursday, 2009-12-31

mkargarwhat is root password in maemo?00:04
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jeremiah_mkargar: pork00:11
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mkargarjeremiah_:pork!00:19
jeremiah_Yup. pork.00:26
mkargarjeremiah_:not work!00:26
fdvruskie: I don't think it's that simple, it only installed three packages. I'm trying to do a complete reinstall instead, as something seems very unstable in mine00:26
jeremiah_Oh shit.00:26
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jeremiah_Ugh. Have to login to garage.00:33
jeremiah_Slow as molasses.00:33
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fdvI had another issue as well.. when run with the 'flashy maemo 5 look', I can't seem to modify the color of gtk buttons. does anybody know how to do this?00:36
woglindeslow slow slow00:37
jeremiah_fdv: Did you squirrelize the cat tray?00:38
fdvdid I what? :-)00:41
jeremiah_Heh, just kidding. :)00:41
jeremiah_I don't know how to modify Gtk buttons.00:41
fdvnormally, its (python) button.modify_bg()00:42
fdvthat works when running without then run-standalone thingie00:42
fdv(somehow=00:42
fdvbut I'll try squirrelizing the cat tray, can't hurt :)00:43
fdv(except the cats and the squirrels, of course)00:43
jeremiah_Works for me.00:43
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Yeah, the device has a busybox tar.00:44
fdv:)00:44
jeremiah_And the tar you want is gnutar00:44
jeremiah_I think I'll have to name it gnutar so that there are not conflicts00:44
Stskeepsjeremiah_: yes. the gnutar acts as a replacement00:44
Stskeepsyeah, probably wise00:44
Stskeepsthe source package is named tar00:45
Stskeepsthe actual package is called gnutar00:45
jeremiah_Yeah00:45
jeremiah_okay.00:45
jeremiah_Now I am thouroughly confused.00:46
jeremiah_But I will port gnutar to fremantle.00:46
jeremiah_It was put under tar/ which is weird since it is called gnutar.00:46
Stskeepsthe source package name is tar00:46
* jeremiah_ crawls back under his rock.00:46
Stskeepsshiny rock?00:46
Stskeeps:P00:46
jeremiah_Old, dull and gray rock.00:47
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WinnahHow's it going all?01:03
woglindeslow slow01:03
jeremiah_We're working hard.01:04
WinnahGood to know :) I hope frals can get the MMS hack working soon :)01:05
woglindeI dont need mms01:06
woglindecost to much01:06
WinnahYeah, lots of people don't, lots of people do, as long as a decent number need it, should be implemented :) it's free with a messaging plan here :)01:07
ifreqnewer needed and these days you got the social networks +emails all allmost as handy as mms :P01:07
ifreqhrr01:07
WinnahNot so handy for certain pictures ;) and email to MMS server is proving rather problematic :\01:07
woglindeI have wlan or umts01:08
woglindeno need for silly mms protocoll01:08
WinnahMy point is, for private pictures with somebody that doesn't have a phone with very good email capabilities, MMS is needed01:09
WinnahLuckily, frals seems to be close to getting a hack working, until Nokia can do something, like upgrade the kernel to .30+ where the connections could be routed easily01:13
woglindewhy should I send private pictures via an unsecure channel01:14
WinnahWhy would you send pictures over any form of communication since any of them can be hacked :P01:15
woglindenah01:15
woglindegpg ist so much hackable01:15
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WinnahAnything can be hacked, just a matter of someone caring enough, MMS I doubt it.01:17
woglindeyeah just a matter of time01:18
woglindebut mms can be easily fished by your provider01:18
WinnahOf course, but why would they care to look through your messages?01:18
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lcukwoglinde, mms might not be super secure, but by default its not shown to wider internet01:25
lcukand Winnah i have n900 and you couldnt send me photos by email01:25
lcuknot in a manner that i would see them anywya01:25
lcuk(unless i vnced into home machine perhaps...)01:25
WinnahWhat do you mean you can't get email or what?01:26
woglindehm01:27
woglindevnc01:27
lcuki have never (and hopefully will never) setup email on a mobile device (other than laptop)01:27
woglindeneed to finish qtnx stuff01:27
WinnahSecurity reason or just don't want to?01:27
lcukpartly because its so hugely massive and prone to failure, and partly because i enjoy the peasce and quiet when away from the computer01:27
WinnahAh, but see, that's why you have a seperate email for your phone that you only use for picture messaging :D01:28
Winnah(at least if your phone lacks MMS :P)01:28
lcukbut my girlfriend wont get the photos i want to mms her01:29
lcukcosher phone is old and has no email01:29
WinnahYou sir, are incorrect01:29
WinnahDoes her phone have MMS?01:29
lcukprobably01:30
WinnahWhat carrier does she have?01:30
lcuki dunno01:30
woglindehm so navit i386 is finished01:30
lcukbut what good is this, no1 else can send me mms01:30
WinnahWell, you figure that out and I can help you :)01:30
lcukand i cant just send em to other people01:31
lcukemail != answer01:31
WinnahJust have them send it to the email that you put on your phone01:31
WinnahWell, then you wait for Frals to finish his hack, hah01:31
* lcuk knows01:31
lcukim patient :)01:32
lcuki havent finished the ui yet01:32
WinnahI'm not patient, so I use email to MMS account on her phone, then she sends from phone to my email, voila (how iPhone used to do it :P)01:32
Winnahhttp://www.theiphoneblog.com/2009/01/09/iphone-101-email-photo-cell-phone-mms/01:32
woglindelol01:33
woglindemms -> cellphone with email -> emailaccount01:33
WinnahMMS -> Email account -> Cellphone with email01:34
WinnahCellphone with email -> MMS account -> Cellphone with MMS01:34
WinnahNot the most efficient, but still works well.01:35
lcukand especially bad since you have to ask a person their carrier01:36
lcukand dig01:36
WinnahI already knew her carrier, there are only like 5 major ones in the US01:36
lcukbut thats 1 person01:36
lcuki agree01:36
lcukfor a specific pairing, finding a decent ismple route like that works01:37
lcukbut for generic people out there01:37
WinnahSprint, T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon, and minor companies. I only cared about her pictures for the time being ;)01:37
lcukdont most carriers offer online pickup of messages sent via the web interface?01:38
WinnahWhat do you mean? Like a web access to your picture messages?01:39
lcukyeah01:39
WinnahSprint does (I use to use them), T-Mobile doesn't (who I have now), the other carriers probably do though.01:40
WinnahSee, as long as we can both have our pictures in a decently easy fashion, we're good. Once Frals' hack is done, or Nokia gets off their ass, then it'll be back to normal :)01:43
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WinnahBy the way, whoever made the Hermes app, it works very well :)01:47
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WinnahHey VDVsx01:50
VDVsxhey Winnah01:51
WinnahHow's it going?01:51
VDVsxfine, thanks ;)01:53
WinnahThat's good :)01:54
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jebba what's the maemo word for the "main" icon set that you get when you hit the application button in the upper left twice? Like what's that desktop called?03:20
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VDVsxdunno, the marketing folks usually refer to those screens as layers - the 4 layers of iteration :P03:36
VDVsx*interaction03:37
jebbaVDVsx: i'm trying to describe this better: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Tweaks03:38
jebba"Custom icon application set" is stupid03:39
VDVsxhumm, but the desktop that you're referring is the one with Nokia's apps right ?03:40
jebbaya03:40
jebbalike the main thing you get when you hit the upper right corner twice03:40
VDVsxmain applications is not bad IMO03:41
jebbai should screenshot the default too i guess03:41
VDVsxbetter ask a English native :)03:41
jebbaheh, actually i am  ;)03:42
jebba(if northamerican is english ;)   I just figured there was a maemoized word for that "desktop"03:42
VDVsxso you know that better than I do :p03:42
VDVsxfor that stuff timeless at #maemo is a good victim, since he works in Q&A and knows a lot of this stuff :)03:44
jeremiah_Victim.03:46
jeremiah_heh03:46
VDVsxjebba, I thought you're from south America, probably some wrong assumption taken from TMO03:46
jeremiah_Me fail English? That's unpossible!03:46
jeremiah_jebba the hut03:46
jebbawow. Weird thing is, when i was editing it in vim, if i added a line and save the file, it updated it immediately.  I reverted the file to the original but now the deleted lines wont go away!03:46
jebbaheh03:47
jebbaVDVsx: i live in argentina for 5 years.03:47
VDVsxoh and for all packaging stuff I also know a good victim, just in case someone needs one ;)03:47
jebbaheh03:47
VDVsxjebba, ah03:47
jeremiah_Viva Buenos Aires!03:47
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jebbalemme see if a reboot fixes that.03:48
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jebbaaw shit, now i can't get it *at all*. Hmm.03:50
VDVsxprobably is a wrong assumption, but is not very common to have americans living in Argentina... life is like a spinning ball, you never know where you end up living :)03:51
jebbazactly.....03:54
jeremiah_Well, they're all Americans. South Americans. =)03:56
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VDVsx* North Americans :)04:00
* VDVsx saw a movie where was a big rant about the use of the word: "Americans" to describe people from north America, can't remember the title04:02
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jebbaVDVsx: barcelona04:14
jebbafantastic movie04:14
VDVsxjebba, humm, probably another one, I didn't see Barcelona(the movie) IRRC04:17
jebbaok, i fixed things so it didn't foobar my application set04:20
jebbahad a fantastic rant in it about that tho ;)04:20
VDVsxit's a common trend, it seems  :)04:22
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ruskiewell finally edited my forum sig and added a User:Ruskie page with the stuff I've done so far13:18
Stskeepsurl for page?13:21
ifreqmaemo wiki i guess13:22
ruskiehttp://wiki.maemo.org/User:Ruskie13:29
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niekt0hi, i am looking for strace on n900/maemo, according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace ther shoul be strace somewhere, but I was not able to find it14:27
ruskieit's probably in fremantle/sdk or fremantle/tools14:28
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mickeHi guys! Did I do something wrong here or is it the autobuilder: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/despotify_0.1maemo2svn483/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt ?16:17
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jeremiah_micke: Lemme check16:39
jeremiah_Yikes.16:39
jeremiah_The builder looks really out of date. :(16:40
mickeSo I just need to wait a bit and then submitt again?16:40
Stskeepsjeremiah_: nah, but something is majorly screwed up16:40
jeremiah_What do you mean?16:41
jeremiah_It doesn't have perl-base16:41
jeremiah_That is what I would call out of date16:41
jeremiah_Now, I know it may actually be on the machine16:41
jeremiah_And it just can't find it.16:41
jeremiah_Weird.16:42
jeremiah_micke: I would say that was an autobuilder epic fail.16:43
mickejeremiah_ :D16:44
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Stskeepsjeremiah_: well, it should't fail at that phase anyway :P16:47
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jeremiah_Well it is having some problems connecting to repos, which might be the issue.16:48
Stskeepsah16:48
jeremiah_You can see that from all the "Ign:" lines16:48
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jeremiah_Man, lots of new packages getting sent to the builder17:15
jeremiah_Lots of osso stuff.17:15
jeremiah_Must be Nokia doing this.17:15
Stskeepsit was zh_HK17:20
Stskeepsit seems like a rouge nokia employees :P17:20
ruskieand l10n at that17:20
jeremiah_heh17:20
jeremiah_We're all rougue nokia employees!17:21
jeremiah_Some can spell better than others. :p17:22
jebbabuilder is foobar, is this known? Can't find dependencies like "make"  https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/guile-1.8_1.8.7+1-3/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt17:24
Stskeepsuhoh17:25
Stskeepsjeremiah_: i just noticed "debconf" is one of the latest packages17:26
Stskeepsthat's going to break a shitload of stuff17:26
Stskeepssee http://maemo.org/packages/repository/latest/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/all/17:27
ruskiewhy should it break?17:27
Stskeepsruskie: cos scratchbox will explode over it :P17:27
ruskiemaybe it already happened17:28
ruskiehesce the probs ;)17:28
Stskeepshttp://maemo.org/packages/view/debconf/17:28
Stskeepsyeah hence alerting jeremiah_ to pull it :P17:28
mickeI'll give it another go tomorrow, now off to a new years party. And I hope all of you will have a nice new years eve!17:30
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jeremiah_Oh shit.18:00
woglindewhat?18:00
jeremiah_debconf coming in to the autobuilder.18:01
woglindehm18:02
woglindethats bad18:02
jeremiah_Stskeeps: I didn't know that link existed. Thanks18:02
jeremiah_Why isn't there a maintainer field filled in for debconf?18:03
jeremiah_What is up with people?18:04
woglindeso we need x-fade?18:04
jeremiah_If this is Nokia doing this, I'm gonna have a shit fit.18:04
jeremiah_woglinde: I'll contact him now.18:04
ruskieconsidering the crappy state that debian/ packaging is at I'm not really suprised18:04
Stskeepsjeremiah_: check extras cauldron list18:05
Stskeepsand see who uploaded18:05
woglindejupp18:05
woglindeI will look too18:05
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Can you pass me a link18:05
jeremiah_I do everything on garage in the terminal18:06
jeremiah_I didn't know about all these fancy web pages.18:06
woglindehttp://maemo.org/packages/18:06
jeremiah_:)18:07
jeremiah_That I know about18:07
woglindehttp://maemo.org/packages/view/debconf/18:07
jeremiah_But hte cauldron list.18:07
woglindehm I thaught it was the same18:07
jeremiah_woglinde: I know about that link too.18:07
jeremiah_:)18:07
Stskeepshttps://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/extras-cauldron-builds18:07
woglindeah right18:08
woglindethe ml18:08
jeremiah_Yeah - I read the mailing list.18:08
jeremiah_That is what tipped me off to the osso stuff18:08
woglindeaeh18:09
woglindeERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package debconf provides binary package debconf which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented.18:09
woglindewhy the hack its gone through18:09
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jeremiah_woglinde: Are you seeing that in the summarly.log?18:09
woglindejupp18:09
woglindehttps://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/debconf_1.4.70.osso2/summary.log18:09
jeremiah_x-fade says that the check on the builder failed.18:09
Stskeepshttps://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2009-December/013563.html18:09
Stskeepsyeah, it kept on going18:10
woglindeUploader: borealid18:10
woglindehaha18:10
woglindelet see who it is18:10
jeremiah_Yeah, who is that?18:10
jeremiah_Okay. Other devs are starting to complain about failed builds via email.18:13
Stskeepsi would pull debconf at this stage :P18:14
woglindewhat the hell not even find him in user profiles18:14
woglindeah18:15
woglindenow18:15
jeremiah_That is kinda weird because he would have to have one to upload18:15
woglinde  Bryan Jacobs18:16
woglinde  b @nospam@ q3q.us18:16
jeremiah_Thanks woglinde18:16
woglindememeber since  2009-12-23 01:0918:16
woglinde*sigh*18:16
woglindehttps://garage.maemo.org/users/borealid/18:16
jeremiah_A week18:16
jeremiah_Shit18:16
Stskeepswell at least we know the filter doesnt work18:16
jeremiah_See. This is the problem with this frickin' SDK nonsense18:17
jeremiah_The whole build process for maemo is pretty, for lack of a better word, fucked.18:17
woglindejeremiah wasnt it one task of you to make it better?18:18
jeremiah_Unfotunately not.18:18
jeremiah_I have no control over the build machine18:18
jeremiah_My NDA does not allow it.18:18
jeremiah_That is all Niels and Ed Bartosh.18:18
woglindehm okay18:18
Stskeepson the other hand, that can be a blessing not to have18:19
jeremiah_I have suggested a couple alternatives18:19
jeremiah_But they are not instrested18:19
jeremiah_I think we should move to OBS18:19
jeremiah_Or adopt the debian tools18:19
Stskeepshehe18:19
jeremiah_But they are written in perl and Ed "doesn't want to learn perl."18:20
jeremiah_That is when I decided to give up.18:20
Stskeepsyou know my standpoint, move the entire thing to obs :)18:20
jeremiah_Stskeeps: I do know your point of view - and you have convinced me you are right. :)18:20
jeremiah_So has Daved.18:20
jeremiah_Sorry, David.18:20
jeremiah_I even heard Tero say something about it.18:21
jeremiah_But we'll see.18:21
Stskeepsyep18:21
jeremiah_It would make _everyone's_ life so much easier.18:21
* jeremiah_ goes back to building his custom debian live CD18:22
woglindewhats OBS?18:22
jeremiah_Open Build System18:22
woglindesuse?18:22
jeremiah_A project of SuSU18:22
woglindeah18:22
jeremiah_Sorry, SuSE18:22
Stskeepswe use it extensively in mer18:22
jeremiah_Stskeeps: Do they hold your repos too?18:23
Stskeepsyes18:23
Stskeepsgood and bad things to that18:23
jeremiah_What are the issues?18:24
jeremiah_.oO( Wonders what repo software they use. )18:24
Stskeepscodec and patent restrictions18:24
Stskeepswe cannot build mp3 for instance18:25
jeremiah_ah18:28
Stskeepsor even packages using ubuntu universe18:28
jeremiah_Are you guys looking for a dedicated Mer builder / repo / host ?18:28
Stskeepswe hope to get a obs in maemo.org in due time18:29
jeremiah_aha!18:29
jeremiah_So Tero wasn't just pulling my lef.18:30
jeremiah_lef18:30
jeremiah_assch18:30
jeremiah_leg18:30
Stskeepswell, that is my hope. let us see where things take us18:30
jeremiah_We have the infrastructure now.18:30
lcukapt-get upgrade jeremiah_typing_skill18:31
Stskeepsyeah18:31
lcukafternoon chaps \o18:31
jeremiah_aptitude remove --purge lcuk18:31
lcuki see n00bs are causing chaos18:31
lcuk:O18:31
jeremiah_w00t18:31
jeremiah_Indeed.18:31
lcukerr: cnanot remove lcuk, large amounts of win detected in this sector18:32
jeremiah_aptitude dist-upgrade18:33
lcukmy god my typing is just as bad as yours18:33
jeremiah_I'm just faster.18:33
jeremiah_At typing poorly18:33
lcukheh yeah18:33
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* w00t nervously eyes the channel18:39
Stskeepshappy newyears w00t18:40
w00tbah humbug18:40
w00tthere's not enough blood in my alcohol system18:40
jeremiah_Call one of your vampire friends.18:45
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lcukjeremiah_, debconf issue resolution, will it be rolling over to 2010 or should it be handled before?19:56
woglindelcuk depends on x-fade19:56
woglindeor ed19:56
lcukcan we push an alternative fudged version up today?19:57
woglindehm19:57
woglindeyou could try to upload the original version with higher number19:57
woglindebut ask19:57
lcukbut that might still cause problems19:57
lcukdepends ( = x)19:58
lcukStskeeps, you meantion a filter, is that something thats meant to stop by default uploading of sdk components?19:59
Stskeepsyes19:59
Stskeepsbut it didnt19:59
woglindeit throw the error and continued19:59
lcukthat sounds like cool code :D20:00
* lcuk has wrote things like that in the past20:00
woglindemom20:00
woglindeI will search the link again20:00
woglinde-> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/debconf_1.4.70.osso2/summary.log20:00
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backseatgreghello everyone22:38
backseatgregI just came back after some weeks, waiting for the new garage server to be installed. It's now usable but my uploaded sources doesn't build anymore on the extra devel cauldron. What do I have to change to make it work ?22:39
jebbahunt down borealid ?22:39
jebbathe build machine got foobar'd it appears.22:39
backseatgregfoobar'd ? reset ?22:40
jebbabroken. I haven't looked much into it, but it appears someone uploaded a rebuild of debconf which broke the builder.  woglinde is that what is up?22:41
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backseatgregoh yes22:42
backseatgregI saw that debconf dependency problem22:43
backseatgregI'll have to wait ^^22:43
backseatgregthanks for the info22:43
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backseatgreghey Jebba I'm just reading this http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Package_Building_HOWTO22:56
backseatgregis it yours ?22:56
jebbaya22:58
backseatgregI'm actually on your x64 HOWTO and you saved my time about optify, I was looking for some info on how to get it, use it etc...23:03
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jebbagood :)23:10
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Docdhi there23:28
Docdi'm running the maemo 5 emulator but when i try to add a new repository it fails to resolve the address23:29
Docdany ideas? help?23:30
jebbaDocd: search irc archives for "resolv.conf"23:32
jebbacame up in the last day or two23:32
Docdalright, thank you23:32
Docdi'll just leave this here for the logs23:35
Docdresolv.conf http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=3473923:35
Docdthanks again, jebba23:36
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ruskiejebba, you could have just used set -x that would print all the commands that are happening in the script ;)23:40
jebbaruskie: cool thx  !23:40
jebbathere's always so much more to know ;)23:40
ruskieof course it could be a bit overkill ;)23:41
ruskiesince it get's very detailed23:41
ruskiehmm I do hope obs if it get's used will be setup somewhere other than opensuse... I don't like novel and their related projects23:42
jebbawell, doesnt hurt though.23:42
jebbai dont either.  Plus i just read you can't apt-get source from there which is complete fail23:42
jebbawrt Mer23:42
ruskieI'll for Mer to be actually flashable on the N900 ;)23:43
jebbai'd run just mer if i could make a fone call with it ;)23:43
jebbaruskie: i'm running mer on n900 right now23:43
jebba:)23:43
jebbahttp://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Mer23:43
ruskieyeah I've read that ;)23:43
ruskiehmm seems I'm missing a word there23:44
ruskieI'll wait ;)23:44
ruskieand yeah should do atleast the stuff that the n900 did out-of-the-box for comms functionality23:44
jebbaah ya...w elll23:45
Docdanother question, it seems i don't have any of the basic applications (i have a shortcut to facebook and twitter on the desktop, but if i click on them nothing happens and if i go to the applications there's only the app manager)23:45
Docdhow can i add the basic applications?23:46
ruskieprobably need the nokia-binaries repository23:46
Docdmmm that's odd, i add it to the scratchbox before running the emulator23:46
backseatgregthe links for facebook and twitter are links to install the real package23:46
Docdoh23:46
backseatgregin the app manager do you have any applications listed ?23:47
Docdno, just the ones listed for /extras-testing23:48
Docd(i just added that repo)23:48
backseatgregah23:49
backseatgregadd this one23:51
backseatgreghttps://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/apps/23:51
backseatgregdistrib : ./23:51
ruskiedon't you need the nokia-binaries one as well?23:51
backseatgregI don't know I don't use the emu I use my n900 directly23:52
ruskiehmmm second time my n900 misteriously rebooted23:52
backseatgregwhat were you doing ?23:53
Docdlet's see23:53
ruskiecompletly nothing23:53
ruskieit was idle23:53
backseatgreghum23:53
ruskiescreen off etc... untouched23:53
ruskiebut had to happen in the last 2 hours23:53
backseatgregand when you you switch the screen back on it was on the pin code ?23:53
ruskieactually on the lock code23:53
ruskieit never asked me for the pin code23:53
ruskieeach time23:53
ruskieyet the phone is connected to the cell network23:54
ruskieso apparently it managed to access the sim23:54
backseatgregyou don't have a code on your sim ?23:54
ruskieI do23:54
backseatgregyeah probably a default one23:54
ruskieno a non-default one23:54
backseatgregoh23:54
ruskieand even a non 4-number one23:54
backseatgreghum23:54
backseatgregthe n900 from hell23:55
ruskiewell it only happened for the second time23:55
ruskieand I've had it now for a month or so23:55
ruskieI do wonder if the wifi might have something to do with it23:55
ruskieit was connected to it23:55
backseatgreghum23:55
backseatgregI don't know I have no lock code on my phone23:55
backseatgregbut it seems not to reboot entirely23:56
backseatgregif you're not stucked at the sim code when turning it on23:56
ruskiewhen I turn it on I get both a lock code and then the sim code23:56
ruskiehmm interesting... got 36 views on my wiki page already23:56
backseatgregwhat's your page about ?23:57
ruskieand I think some 29 distinct IP access to my repos23:59
ruskiebackseatgreg, about stuff I did to my N900 ;)23:59
ruskieUser:Ruskie on maemo wiki if you want to know more23:59

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