| andre__ | MohammadAG_, thanks for joining! See you! | 00:00 |
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| karstenb_ | MohammadAG_: 4 more chars in DE than UK, FWIW... But yeah, it sacrifices two dedicated arrow keys. | 00:01 |
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| karstenb_ | Good night, and welcome on board again! | 00:01 |
| karstenb_ | Venomrush: I hope to announce and summon you guys for some testing... soon. | 00:01 |
| lma | I think they should have kept the CHR button, but that's just me | 00:02 |
| andre__ | They should have put ߳߳߳̈ on the german keyboard instead of wasting space for äöü | 00:04 |
| andre__ | same for the completely useless polish keyboard. sigh. | 00:04 |
| andre__ | the czech one is good though | 00:04 |
| lma | completely off-topic: what's the story with the UK firmware variant? I never followed it closely since mine has the global firmware, but I get asked a lot recently | 00:08 |
| karstenb_ | lma: You're about downloading the image? | 00:09 |
| lma | more importantly: is it safe to flash the global version on a UK device? | 00:09 |
| andre__ | I have no idea | 00:10 |
| lma | karstenb_: that, plus the PR1.1.1 update isn't available for the UK variant yet | 00:10 |
| karstenb_ | Cause I happen to have a UK version, but get the OTA update the same day as everyone else. | 00:10 |
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| karstenb_ | lma: image or OTA? | 00:10 |
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| andre__ | karstenb: but not 2.2009.51-1.002 image ? | 00:10 |
| lma | karstenb_: either | 00:10 |
| karstenb_ | PR 1.1.1 on my device | 00:10 |
| karstenb_ | I mean, UK device but I am downloading from Germany.. | 00:11 |
| lma | karstenb_: "dpkg -l |grep mp-"? | 00:11 |
| karstenb_ | 3.2010.02-8.002 | 00:11 |
| lma | I'm more interested in the package name than version | 00:12 |
| karstenb_ | ii mp-fremantle-002-pr 3.2010.02-8.002 | 00:12 |
| karstenb_ | I don't know why there is any exception for UK. | 00:13 |
| lma | Oh great, yet another variant | 00:13 |
| karstenb_ | But since it's the same hardware everywhere... | 00:13 |
| karstenb_ | I would *assume* it's safe to go with the international one. | 00:13 |
| lma | The global one is mp-fremantle-generic-pr, and most UK devices I've seen are mp-fremantle-203-pr | 00:13 |
| karstenb_ | *Now* I feel left out. :-/ | 00:14 |
| karstenb_ | Hmm... | 00:14 |
| andre__ | karstenb_, <Venomrush> karsten, any news on upgrade to new bz? | 00:14 |
| lma | Ah, 002 is ths US variant according to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php | 00:14 |
| karstenb_ | I guess I should re-flash my device tomorrow with the international firmware, just for fun. | 00:14 |
| karstenb_ | US...? Weird. | 00:15 |
| karstenb_ | andre__: I answered that. It is prefixed with Venomrush, you know... | 00:15 |
| andre__ | oops. then I should better read the backlog, I'm sorry | 00:16 |
| andre__ | ah. gotcha | 00:16 |
| karstenb_ | never mind -- or grab a beer ;) | 00:17 |
| andre__ | good idea actually | 00:17 |
| karstenb_ | long bugdays require it | 00:18 |
| karstenb_ | Or rather "bugnight" for our timezone... | 00:18 |
| * andre__ jumping between mail, bugzilla and IRC | 00:18 | |
| * andre__ tries to reproduce bug 9549 too | 00:23 | |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9549 Sharing dialog crashes when adding more than one tag to photo | 00:23 |
| Venomrush | in short, if you get HealthCheck in extra, it'll tell you what firmware you're using | 00:24 |
| Venomrush | UK specific or not | 00:24 |
| karstenb_ | Venomrush: does is mention UK, US, or something too? | 00:24 |
| Venomrush | can you do *#0000# on dialpad | 00:25 |
| Venomrush | and let me know which version it says | 00:25 |
| Venomrush | i'm only interested in the last few digits | 00:25 |
| lma | Can't reproduce bug 9549 with Ovi. Don't have (and don't want) a facebook account. | 00:27 |
| Venomrush | 002 = US variant | 00:27 |
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| karstenb_ | 3.2010.02-8.002 | 00:27 |
| Venomrush | 003 = MENA | 00:27 |
| Venomrush | 203 = UK | 00:27 |
| Venomrush | MR0 = global | 00:27 |
| Venomrush | you got US variant :) | 00:27 |
| karstenb_ | Exactly the same version as dpkg -l | grep mp- reports. | 00:28 |
| lma | V 3.2010.02-8 is my Amsterdam summit one | 00:28 |
| Venomrush | there are no 3.2010.02-8 for the uk yet, period :) | 00:28 |
| karstenb_ | Venomrush: I asked if you know if HealthCheck reports that area info. | 00:29 |
| Venomrush | karstenb_, it does | 00:29 |
| karstenb_ | nice :) | 00:29 |
| Venomrush | i specifically asked the dev for that app to put it in | 00:29 |
| karstenb_ | And I'm still puzzled, why I got a US version, on a UK device, in DE. | 00:29 |
| lma | osso-product-info and/or sysinfo-tool are also useful on the command line | 00:29 |
| Venomrush | where did you buy it? | 00:29 |
| Venomrush | is this summit device? | 00:30 |
| karstenb_ | Bought in UK, shipped to DE. | 00:30 |
| Venomrush | karstenb_, you never flash it before? | 00:30 |
| karstenb_ | Not pre-production, genuine UK device. | 00:31 |
| karstenb_ | Heh, actually no, I never flashed it. | 00:31 |
| Venomrush | well then you must have flashed your genuine UK device with US firmware | 00:31 |
| karstenb_ | Always tried if the OTA works. | 00:31 |
| karstenb_ | I guess, the absence of the UK firmware is more about being in the UK... | 00:32 |
| karstenb_ | Obviously, I got a replacement firmware -- since I did that from DE. Got it the first day it was available. | 00:32 |
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| karstenb_ | <karstenb_> I guess, the absence of the UK firmware is more about being in the UK... | 00:37 |
| karstenb_ | <karstenb_> Obviously, I got a replacement firmware -- since I did that from DE. Got it the first day it was available. | 00:37 |
| karstenb_ | Venomrush: ^^ Saw that, or dropped before? | 00:37 |
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| * andre__ wonders where the hell to file ovi map loader bugs. seriously not in bugs.maemo.org | 00:38 | |
| karstenb_ | andre__: The desktop app? | 00:39 |
| andre__ | yeah | 00:39 |
| andre__ | probably http://betalabs.nokia.com/ or something | 00:39 |
| karstenb_ | Heh, yeah, wrong place... You're running Windows!? ;) | 00:39 |
| andre__ | not me. but there seem to be still a few lost souls out there ;-)) | 00:40 |
| lma | bug 9270: dupe of bug 8454 or blocked by it? | 00:40 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9270 Device unlockable if it get locked when being in portrait mode | 00:40 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8454 Placing a call in portrait mode gets desktop stuck in portrait mode upon exit. | 00:40 |
| andre__ | dependency | 00:41 |
| Venomrush | the 4 catalogs Nokia Applications, Nokia | 00:42 |
| Venomrush | System Software Updates, Ovi, maemo.org | 00:42 |
| Venomrush | are they meant to be non-editable? | 00:42 |
| lma | That was my first thought too, but what would the resolution be? | 00:42 |
| lma | Venomrush: yes | 00:43 |
| andre__ | lma: resolution? how do you mean? | 00:44 |
| lma | andre__: what's the right resolution for a bug whose pre-conditions can't happen anymore? | 00:44 |
| andre__ | ah. hmm. "wait for pr1.2 and retest", plus "Bug 9270 depends on: 8454" ? :-/ | 00:45 |
| * andre__ adds it to his PR1.2 retest list | 00:45 | |
| Venomrush | lma, thanks | 00:45 |
| lma | Sure, doing it now | 00:46 |
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| lma | bug 9240 is interesting. I can't reproduce with SIP, and I have no call credit to test cellular atm :-( | 00:53 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9240 Second call to IVR doesn't show call duration after the call is connected. "Calling" is shown | 00:53 |
| lma | Ah, hold on, I can call the operator's automated top-up number. Can't reproduce with that either. | 00:56 |
| andre__ | hmm. maybe provider related? | 00:56 |
| lma | Oh well, I just noticed it has an int- alias already | 00:57 |
| andre__ | yeah, but it's kinda playing ping-pong | 00:59 |
| * andre__ hates that | 01:00 | |
| andre__ | I can tell some people several times to comment directly in bugs.maemo.org. Some get it, some don't. :-/ | 01:00 |
| karstenb_ | Err, in that picture you're pretty much the ball. | 01:00 |
| andre__ | karstenb_, exactly | 01:00 |
| andre__ | and I play with reporter and Nokians. :-D | 01:00 |
| karstenb_ | yep... | 01:01 |
| andre__ | midnight. damn. I missed reproducing that one calendar daychange bug. Noooope! :-P | 01:01 |
| * karstenb_ imagines people turning their heads watching tennis... | 01:01 | |
| lma | Ah, it's not midnight yet here, bug#? | 01:01 |
| Venomrush | think i sorted that already | 01:02 |
| andre__ | haha | 01:02 |
| andre__ | yes, the UK. Apart from CCTV it has some advantages, sometimes ;-)) | 01:02 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8860 | 01:03 |
| povbot | Bug 8860: Calendar does not update when date changes | 01:03 |
| andre__ | Venomrush, I think you will get protest for bug 9525, as bug 430 was already mentioned earlier in that ticket. :) I wonder if that one would make sense in brainstorm, as several options are possible | 01:04 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9525 Unable to distinguish files in File Manager | 01:04 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=430 Show and edit filename extensions | 01:04 |
| lma | nonononono please NOT brainstorm! | 01:05 |
| Venomrush | andre__, if you read my comment, he just contradicted himself | 01:06 |
| andre__ | haha | 01:06 |
| * andre__ pets lma | 01:06 | |
| andre__ | mentioning Brainstorm does not mean that I am a fan of it either. | 01:06 |
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| lma | bug 5874 is also related to those | 01:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5874 Two note files result from changing file format and resaving | 01:08 |
| karstenb_ | 23:59:38... | 01:09 |
| karstenb_ | Thu Mar 18 00:00:20 CET 2010 | 01:09 |
| Venomrush | i don't get why we have 'enhancement' in bugzilla & brainstorm | 01:10 |
| Venomrush | stuff in brianstorm should be in bugzilla under 'enhancement' for consideration | 01:10 |
| Venomrush | easier that way i think | 01:10 |
| Venomrush | to track | 01:10 |
| Venomrush | and set TM for implementation | 01:10 |
| Venomrush | ?? | 01:10 |
| Venomrush | it's 23:09 here | 01:10 |
| Venomrush | ur running 10 mins early? | 01:10 |
| Venomrush | *late | 01:10 |
| lma | brainstorm is just the dumping ground for stuff Nokia doesn't want to deal with or say WONTFIX IMHO | 01:11 |
| karstenb_ | Venomrush: Fake time. :-) | 01:11 |
| karstenb_ | andre__: confirmed bug 8860 | 01:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8860 Calendar does not update when date changes | 01:11 |
| karstenb_ | plus more related weirdness | 01:11 |
| karstenb_ | You know, 'date -s' is your friend. No need to wait 24 hours... | 01:12 |
| andre__ | karstenb_, which timezone are you in? GMT+1,2? | 01:12 |
| andre__ | ah. yeah, but I'm lazy :-P | 01:12 |
| karstenb_ | That's why I just did it... | 01:12 |
| karstenb_ | No, wait -- I am lazy too. ;) | 01:12 |
| andre__ | I don't consider Waiting an activity ;-) | 01:13 |
| karstenb_ | Anyway, confirming. Plus more info. | 01:13 |
| andre__ | thanks. | 01:13 |
| karstenb_ | Waiting? Hey, I waited a whole minute... ;) | 01:13 |
| andre__ | harhar. okay, importing. | 01:13 |
| karstenb_ | Mid-air collision +1. And a hijacked confirm... | 01:24 |
| karstenb_ | More info added. | 01:24 |
| karstenb_ | hrm | 01:29 |
| karstenb_ | What format does date expect to set the date (not time) I wonder...? | 01:29 |
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| karstenb_ | Great, I'm stuck living in tomorrow. | 01:30 |
| karstenb_ | UI to the rescue. :) | 01:31 |
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| lma | http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html#date | 01:33 |
| karstenb_ | Funny, I tried the obvious YYYY-MM-DD hh:mm[:ss] | 01:35 |
| karstenb_ | Inside quotes, though, since -s wants a single argument I asumed. | 01:35 |
| karstenb_ | Didn't work. | 01:35 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9586 - where can I set the alarm?! am I missing something? | 01:39 |
| povbot | Bug 9586: Cannot set alarm 2 hours (or other custom timespan) before event | 01:39 |
| lma | andre__: scroll down | 01:40 |
| andre__ | where? | 01:40 |
| andre__ | argh | 01:41 |
| lma | in the "new event" dialog | 01:41 |
| andre__ | where does this suddenly come from? thanks | 01:41 |
| karstenb_ | Gross. I don't get it... | 01:44 |
| karstenb_ | Where? *Max* is 15 minutes here... | 01:44 |
| karstenb_ | oh, pick better date in the future | 01:46 |
| andre__ | yeah. I ran into exactly the same issue. | 01:49 |
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| andre__ | ...and as last time, it gets more quite in these hours here :) | 02:06 |
| lma | Anyone familiar with dpkg-shlibdeps? | 02:07 |
| lma | (context: bug 5098 - I think it's INVALID but would like confirmation from someone who knows these things better than me) | 02:07 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5098 Package's "Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}" misses zlib1g library dependency | 02:07 |
| wolf^ | lma, do you have objdump and dbclient at hand? | 02:12 |
| lma | objdump yes, dbclient no | 02:15 |
| lma | sorry, of course I have dbclient, I was thinking of something completely different | 02:17 |
| wolf^ | lma, can you run "objdump -p dbclient" and show all NEEDED entries in dynamic section? | 02:20 |
| lma | It does, but that's not the problem (the binary is built and works fine), it's just that the dependency is not automatically added to the package. I think it's just bad packaging, added a comment. | 02:22 |
| wolf^ | lma, it does what? | 02:22 |
| lma | it shows "NEEDED libz.so.1" | 02:23 |
| wolf^ | ah, ok | 02:23 |
| lma | any opinions on bug 6611? | 02:29 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6611 Can't compile with -fshort-wchar flag | 02:29 |
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| wolf^ | lma, codesourcery's explanation looks like whining to me | 02:41 |
| wolf^ | lma, gcc manual explicitly warns about binary incompatibility | 02:41 |
| wolf^ | lma, so it's not a case of preventing user from shooting himself into the leg, as they like to present it | 02:42 |
| lma | Would you like to add a comment? Compiler internals are a bit beyond me I'm afraid | 02:43 |
| wolf^ | I don't have any idea about that also | 02:44 |
| wolf^ | I'm just making point that this option is included in gcc, the manual states what it does and codesourcery says it won't work because it would do what manual states, and that's bad (according to them) | 02:45 |
| lma | It seems to me that the compiler part does what it's told, but it then fails during linking (comment 2). That's not entirely unexpected since the lib is compiled with different wchar size, but why does it work on x86? | 02:48 |
| wolf^ | lma, right, I used -s instead of -c | 02:49 |
| wolf^ | guess it's late | 02:49 |
| wolf^ | I'd say it's INVALID then | 02:50 |
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| karstenb_ | now that's a weird report..- | 02:56 |
| karstenb_ | "This option is useful for building programs to run under WINE." | 02:56 |
| karstenb_ | "Warning: the -fshort-wchar switch causes GCC to generate code that is not binary compatible with code generated without that switch." | 02:56 |
| lma | Yeah, on win32 wchar_t is 16bit apparently | 02:57 |
| karstenb_ | comment 5 | 02:57 |
| karstenb_ | But I disagree! If there is this flag, it shall work. | 02:57 |
| karstenb_ | So, err, yes -- it does work. Exactly as documented, doesn't it? | 02:57 |
| wolf^ | karstenb_, it does work (probably), just doesn't link | 02:58 |
| wolf^ | lma, on x86: | 02:58 |
| wolf^ | [1:57 wolf@team:~]% gcc a.c ; ./a.out | 02:58 |
| wolf^ | abcd | 02:58 |
| wolf^ | [1:57 wolf@team:~]% gcc a.c -fshort-wchar ; ./a.out | 02:58 |
| wolf^ | ?? | 02:58 |
| karstenb_ | wolf^: Sorry, the line after "comment 5" was a quote from comment 5. | 02:58 |
| wolf^ | a.c: wprintf( L"abcd\n" ); | 02:59 |
| karstenb_ | So, err, yes -- it does work. Exactly as documented, doesn't it? It generated incombatible binaries, since the base hasn't been built with this flag. | 02:59 |
| wolf^ | yes | 03:00 |
| karstenb_ | I agree with wolf^, that's just INVALID. | 03:00 |
| lma | wolf^: right, so it looks to me like the x86 linker is broken | 03:00 |
| wolf^ | lma, looks so | 03:00 |
| lma | or at least for "lets you shoot yourself in the foot" values of broken | 03:01 |
| lma | ok, who wants to close it? | 03:01 |
| wolf^ | wait a moment | 03:02 |
| wolf^ | ok, that was nothing | 03:04 |
| wolf^ | I may close it | 03:04 |
| lma | Go ahead :-) | 03:05 |
| wolf^ | done | 03:07 |
| karstenb_ | thanks | 03:11 |
| lma | I think I'm going to call it a night... | 03:14 |
| lma | Thanks everyone! | 03:14 |
| karstenb_ | Come on, it's just 1:15 for you. ;) | 03:15 |
| karstenb_ | thank you, lma | 03:15 |
| lma | Nominally yes, but I work in strange timezones (been up since 5 GMT today) | 03:16 |
| karstenb_ | That's strange indeed, and skewed towards the wrong side. | 03:16 |
| lma | Indeed. But if $DEITY didn't want us to be jetlagged what would be the point of caffeine? | 03:17 |
| karstenb_ | Waking up in the morning after yet another 24 hour day that should have had 28 hours? | 03:18 |
| lma | karstenb_: btw if there's anything I can help with on the new bugzilla feel free to ping me | 03:18 |
| karstenb_ | lma: Thanks. Still remember that offer. :) | 03:19 |
| andre__ | lma: good night :) | 03:20 |
| lma | andre__: karstenb_: feedback on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=569879#post569879 welcome | 03:24 |
| lma | Good night everyone! | 03:25 |
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| karstenb_ | night everyone | 03:49 |
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| Venomrush | who's still here? | 04:07 |
| Venomrush | 50 mins left | 04:08 |
| Venomrush | xD | 04:08 |
| njsf_ | I am here, but newbie at maemo specific bug squad | 04:09 |
| njsf_ | :) | 04:09 |
| Venomrush | nice | 04:09 |
| andre__ | I'm around | 04:13 |
| andre__ | though I have no coffee left. garr :) | 04:14 |
| andre__ | hi njsf_ | 04:14 |
| njsf_ | I am looking for the hook used to switch layout of bt keyboard | 04:14 |
| andre__ | any questions, help, or can I offer some cookies? | 04:14 |
| njsf_ | so I can put a layout for my old palm keyboard | 04:14 |
| njsf_ | I can pair fine | 04:14 |
| njsf_ | but no number keys | 04:14 |
| Venomrush | how did we do today with bugday? | 04:14 |
| njsf_ | because AE01 is not defined in rx51 :) | 04:14 |
| andre__ | I think it rocked for the first part. second part is more silent, same as last bugday. still, fun so far, and lots of stuff done | 04:15 |
| njsf_ | Is there any ical feed of it ? | 04:15 |
| andre__ | njsf_, sounds more like coding than maintaining bug reports :) | 04:15 |
| njsf_ | config I'd say, but I get your point sorry for the OT | 04:16 |
| andre__ | haha, np | 04:16 |
| njsf_ | So, my 2nd question, I think it would be cool to have an ical feed of bug days | 04:17 |
| njsf_ | I'd gladly help | 04:17 |
| * andre__ wonders what that ical feed exactly contains | 04:18 | |
| njsf_ | The appointments for bug days | 04:18 |
| njsf_ | in a way I could add as a calendar in my n900 :) | 04:18 |
| andre__ | ah. you imply that I have a plan :-P | 04:19 |
| andre__ | yeah, I want to have this on a monthly basis | 04:19 |
| njsf_ | not necessarily a plan but if a feed exists people would get the bug day on the calendar | 04:19 |
| andre__ | true | 04:19 |
| * andre__ adds it to the to-do list | 04:19 | |
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| andre__ | Okay, I'm off. Thanks everybody for joining, being around, discussing and triaging bugs, and having some fun!!! See you soon! | 04:56 |
| andre__ | (though I'm out for the next 8 days - holidays) | 04:57 |
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| MohammadAG | morning everyone | 07:39 |
| MohammadAG | confirming bug 8981 | 07:39 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8981 Flasher error message not being substituted for %m | 07:39 |
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| MohammadAG | Reproduced and confirmed, correct 'steps' added https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8050 | 14:33 |
| povbot | Bug 8050: Media Player displays stop button during the playback of an AAC stream. It should display pause button. | 14:33 |
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