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| njsf_ | Hi all | 02:10 |
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| njsf_ | Want to help with some testing. Looked at the wiki pages, but unsure where to start. Any advice? | 02:11 |
| VDVsx | njsf_, http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing | 02:20 |
| VDVsx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing/QA_Checklist | 02:20 |
| VDVsx | http://wiki.maemo.org/Testing_Squad | 02:20 |
| njsf_ | Obrigado Valerio | 02:20 |
| VDVsx | np :) | 02:21 |
| njsf_ | When is the next marathon ? I thought I might still be on time for this weeks one | 02:21 |
| VDVsx | next weekend | 02:21 |
| njsf_ | Oh cool... | 02:22 |
| njsf_ | Temple of Diana still up ;) ? | 02:22 |
| VDVsx | think so, at least last time I went there :D | 02:38 |
| njsf_ | :) Cool it has been almost 2 decades since I did the same | 02:40 |
| VDVsx | lol, been there last month :D | 02:42 |
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| Venomrush | andre | 12:47 |
| Venomrush | if a package is fixed in week 10 | 12:47 |
| Venomrush | can i assume it'll be in PR1.2? | 12:48 |
| Venomrush | what's the cutoff date for pr1.2 | 12:48 |
| andre__ | please keep that to me. :-) I'll reset TMs myself when I have time again (on holidays from tomorrow on) and know for sure | 12:48 |
| andre__ | I don't know. | 12:48 |
| andre__ | and no, you should not assume if something is in PR1.2. I will tell when I know by resetting the Target Milestone... :) | 12:49 |
| Venomrush | cool :) | 12:49 |
| Venomrush | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8499 | 12:50 |
| povbot | Bug 8499: Music stops when "low battery" hildon banner is displayed | 12:50 |
| Venomrush | TM = 1.2 :) | 12:50 |
| Venomrush | same for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8011 as well | 12:50 |
| povbot | Bug 8011: Changing volume without unlocking the phone no longer works | 12:50 |
| Venomrush | *i think* | 12:51 |
| andre__ | oops must have missed those ones. thanks. | 12:51 |
| Venomrush | and this one too | 12:52 |
| Venomrush | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5684 | 12:52 |
| povbot | Bug 5684: History images do not match actual URLs under them | 12:52 |
| * andre__ grumbles | 12:53 | |
| andre__ | looks like my query skills need to improve :-D | 12:53 |
| andre__ | heh. thanks a lot :) | 12:53 |
| * andre__ should buy some coffee for this long night | 12:58 | |
| Venomrush | hmm when i reopen a bug, it changes state to unconfirm | 13:11 |
| Venomrush | not ReOpen | 13:11 |
| andre__ | aha? which one? | 13:11 |
| Venomrush | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7048 | 13:11 |
| povbot | Bug 7048: Route Settings screen is not finger friendly | 13:11 |
| andre__ | ah. yeah, makes sense. | 13:11 |
| andre__ | REOPENED only happens when it was NEW before being closed. | 13:11 |
| Venomrush | oh right | 13:12 |
| andre__ | that one was obsolete anyway :) | 13:15 |
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| Venomrush | think you should go to bed now andre, and be prepare for 9 hours bugday | 15:25 |
| Venomrush | xD | 15:25 |
| andre__ | haha, no way, my girlfriend will arrive in a few minutes | 15:26 |
| andre__ | oh wait, you just said "go to bed". might work. :-P | 15:26 |
| Venomrush | xD | 15:26 |
| Venomrush | im not looking forward to pr1.2 too much to be honest | 15:27 |
| Venomrush | prefer more features implemented rather fixing lots of random bugs i rarely encountered :\ | 15:27 |
| andre__ | hmm. we'll see. :-/ | 15:29 |
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| Venomrush | 1hour till bugday | 18:59 |
| Venomrush | :) | 18:59 |
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| andre__ | seems like Nokia has a big screw-up with Daylight Saving Time start in the US. Nine reports so far. Sigh. | 19:59 |
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| lma | Hi all | 19:59 |
| andre__ | heja! | 19:59 |
| * andre__ should probably come up with an agenda or something, humm | 19:59 | |
| andre__ | I think jukey came up with http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Bugdays . However he is not around yet | 20:01 |
| lma | Ooh, N900 just spontaneously rebooted while sitting on the desk doing nothing | 20:03 |
| andre__ | For general ideas how to start triaging, there is http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugs:Tasks | 20:04 |
| andre__ | Also I'm looking for people that can confirm any of these issues, as I cannot confirm: https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_id=6538,6633,6656,6725,7920,7987,8657,8664,8954,9171,9501,9493 | 20:04 |
| * VDVsx searches for his N900 | 20:04 | |
| andre__ | (posting my "Please retest with PR1.2" list probably has to wait for PR1.2 :-D ) | 20:05 |
| andre__ | taking a look at those Diablo reports that are still open is also a nice idea. Shouldn't be that many anymore as I cleaned up a few days ago | 20:05 |
| * VDVsx tries 9501 | 20:06 | |
| * andre__ 's last hours before having holidays. yay :) | 20:07 | |
| lma | Speaking of which, I have a question: once the community SSU takes off, what's the best way of handling new Diablo bugs? I can see two ways, either do it in a single product (like Mer), or create a new version. What do people prefer? | 20:08 |
| VDVsx | andre__, should I comment with a can't reproduce ? :D | 20:09 |
| andre__ | VDVsx, Oh yesh :) | 20:09 |
| andre__ | lma: will it have a version scheme like x.2008.foo ? | 20:10 |
| * andre__ wondering too. good question. | 20:10 | |
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| andre__ | lma: I currently think that a separate product is better, as this is community stuff, and the categories state "Official Apps / Platform". However this is an interesting case. I'm undecided. How urgent is this? | 20:12 |
| lma | andre__ yeah, current test version is RX-34+RX-44+RX-48_DIABLO_5.2010-09-2_PR_MR0 | 20:13 |
| lma | It can wait | 20:13 |
| andre__ | on the other hand you ship official nokia stuff of course in that update. but it's not under the warranty, and it might create wrong expectations on Nokia if they are handled under Official Apps/Platform | 20:14 |
| andre__ | "might". I'm unsure, as I said. | 20:14 |
| * VDVsx can't test #6725 atm : "Open the calendar at 23.59, not the last day of the week." :p | 20:18 | |
| andre__ | hmm, I hope I don't forget that one later today :) | 20:18 |
| VDVsx | I can change the device time to test, but can mess up my stuff :p | 20:19 |
| andre__ | haha, don't do it if you're unsure | 20:20 |
| andre__ | I borrowed my second N900 to a friend who's journalist - hence I shouldn't brick mine either :-P | 20:21 |
| lma | what's the right severity for a reboot (probably kernel crash) that's unlikely to ever happen again? | 20:25 |
| andre__ | in that case, major | 20:26 |
| andre__ | if reproducible, critical | 20:26 |
| lma | thanks | 20:26 |
| * andre__ gives up trying to teach his Fedora machine to accept an IRC SSL certificate and boots Ubuntu. sigh | 20:27 | |
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| Venomrush | im lucky to have 2x n900 with me today :) | 20:31 |
| Venomrush | will be losing one of it to a friend this weekend | 20:31 |
| andre41 | haha | 20:31 |
| lma | Anyone have a bluetooth-capable TomTom device? | 20:34 |
| andre__ | Hmm, TomTom... I wonder when they will give up because Google and Nokia canibalized the market by providing navigation for free? :-/ See Wayfinder | 20:39 |
| Venomrush | Nokia...i wouldn't call it free navigation just yet :) | 20:43 |
| Venomrush | same for Google | 20:43 |
| Venomrush | until both are accessible on any devices then TomTom is dead | 20:43 |
| lma | I'm asking bugsquad context, just in case anyone can help reproduce bug 9577 ;-) | 20:46 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9577 Reboot caused by bluetooth probe | 20:46 |
| lma | ooh, they fixed the bot, shiny! | 20:46 |
| andre__ | lma: well, your bug reports are always quite perfect, and most of the stuff I don't understand anyway because I miss technical knowledge, hence I just accept them ;-) | 20:46 |
| Venomrush | i'm currently retesting https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6538 | 20:47 |
| povbot | Bug 6538: Copying folder(s) with large number of files failed over USB | 20:47 |
| andre__ | oh, that weird one | 20:47 |
| lma | I have very little information on that one, hence UNCONFIRMED | 20:47 |
| Venomrush | i don't have nokia pc suite anymore :\ | 20:47 |
| Venomrush | not sure if it's worth marking as invalid | 20:48 |
| Venomrush | pc suite now asks to upgrade to ovi suite | 20:48 |
| Venomrush | which doesnt really work with n900 | 20:48 |
| Venomrush | .. | 20:48 |
| lma | I tried to reproduce it once but couldn't (but I'm not running Windows) | 20:48 |
| * andre__ needs a Windows machine | 20:48 | |
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| andre__ | Venomrush: for bugs like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8664 , you could use WORKSFORME (however I am also careful with it and prefer to see more than one person stating "Cannot reproduce" first, otherwise some people might interpret it a bit rude to just close it) | 20:50 |
| povbot | Bug 8664: Can't close Application Manager from the task switcher | 20:50 |
| andre__ | "INVALID" always sounds a bit harsh (though sometimes reports are invalid, sure) :-/ | 20:51 |
| Venomrush | ah ok, i realised that | 20:51 |
| lma | Speaking of which, what does everyone think about bug 9097? | 20:52 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9097 Rename INVALID resolution to something more neutral | 20:52 |
| andre__ | oh yeah. proposals welcome. | 20:53 |
| andre__ | same for opinions on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7750 , because I am totally undecided. | 20:53 |
| povbot | Bug 7750: Increase Bugzilla votes limit | 20:53 |
| Venomrush | invalid is needed still in cases where for example, report concerning a function not in the component | 20:54 |
| Venomrush | although i rarely see this | 20:54 |
| Venomrush | i feel comfortable if it's removed altogether | 20:54 |
| lma | I would love some more votes for certain products. Do you know if it's possible to assign them to components instead? | 20:55 |
| andre__ | INVALID and WONTFIX are sometimes nearby, especially in cases of "It's not a bug, it's a feature". | 20:55 |
| andre__ | votes are set product-wide | 20:55 |
| andre__ | on the other hand, people can remove votes after an issue has been fixed. but of course that's a bit more work for users. | 20:56 |
| lma | and is the voter-per-product number global? | 20:56 |
| Venomrush | regarding the vote limit, i think it's fine as it is, i never hit that 20 limit, my max at the moment is 11 :) | 20:56 |
| Venomrush | when you begin to hit the 20 limit, you should be really thinking about prioritising which bug you want to fix | 20:56 |
| Venomrush | rather than just vote for all the bugs reported | 20:56 |
| andre__ | lma: how do you mean? | 20:56 |
| Venomrush | that way the important one gets more vote, hence more attention | 20:57 |
| lma | I'm currently maxed out on Chat/Call/SMS, Connectivity, Core, Desktop platform and Email | 20:57 |
| Venomrush | lma, you should prioritise the votes, which one you really want to be fixed | 20:57 |
| lma | andre__ : does it have to be 20 for every product or is it configurable for each one separately? | 20:58 |
| andre__ | lma: ah. gotcha now. no, the vote-per-product number is NOT global. | 20:58 |
| andre__ | 20/1/3 is per product | 20:58 |
| andre__ | and currently set for all of them. | 20:58 |
| lma | Cool, then maybe we can scale them based on the number of bugs reported per product or something | 20:59 |
| VDVsx | gtg, bbl, have a good hunting :p | 20:59 |
| andre__ | VDVsx: just a warning that the guy in 9501 can be quite talkative. | 20:59 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 20:59 |
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| andre__ | lma: yeah, if it wasn't a fixed number but a procentage value / formula, that would be cool actually wanna file an upstream request? :-P | 21:00 |
| andre__ | heja jukey_ | 21:00 |
| jukey_ | heyjo :) | 21:00 |
| jukey_ | are there all bugs fixed and the work almost done? :) | 21:01 |
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| lma | I don't think it should be automatic, since that could cause the # of votes to go down as well as up and in that case what do we do with people who have more votes than they are now entitled to? | 21:01 |
| mikhas | hi jukey_ | 21:01 |
| andre__ | jukey_: Yes Sir! I can assure you Sir, PR1.2 will fix all known and unknown bugs and enhancement requests, sir! :-D | 21:02 |
| andre__ | lma, oh true | 21:03 |
| jukey_ | hehe | 21:03 |
| jukey_ | hi mikhas | 21:04 |
| lma | But we could get a count of bugs/product, set the lowest one to 20 and adjust the rest proportionally | 21:04 |
| lma | (and maybe re-do once a year or so) | 21:04 |
| andre__ | lma: ...and recalculate the count from time to time and adjust accordingly? | 21:04 |
| lma | Anyway, let's work on some bugs... shall we tackle a specific product, unconfirmed, recent ones or what? | 21:06 |
| andre__ | No topic today :) Old still open Diablo tickets would be cool, or | 21:09 |
| andre__ | UNCONFIRMED non-moreinfo tickets without internal Alias | 21:09 |
| * andre__ creates a query for the latter | 21:10 | |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Maemo+Official+Applications&classification=Maemo+Official+Platform&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&keywords_type=nowords&keywords=moreinfo&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&field0-0-0=alias&type0-0-0=notsubstring&value0-0-0=int- | 21:10 |
| andre__ | hmm, not that many for Official Apps & Platform: 159. | 21:10 |
| andre__ | or taking a look at UNCONFIRMED reports in Extras... | 21:10 |
| lma | Diablo is only 17, unless I'm doing something wrong | 21:10 |
| andre__ | uh? cool. | 21:11 |
| lma | Ah, Extras... I asked before but never got an answer: are we supposed to triage those or leave them up to the product contact? | 21:11 |
| andre__ | yeah, 17. great. thought it were a few more | 21:11 |
| andre__ | I think there's no clear rule, but I can guess that some maintainers/developers might be happy about some help | 21:12 |
| andre__ | however we shouldn't mass-close anything or stuff like that, that's counter-productive (not telling lma, but in general here) | 21:12 |
| lma | Shall we clean up the remaining Diablo bugs then? I assume these are WONTFIX at this stage so we just need to figure out whether they still apply to Fremantle. | 21:16 |
| andre__ | yeah, that sounds useful. however they are probably tricky, otherwise I would have nuked them already. Plus at least the last one in the list should remain open :) | 21:17 |
| Venomrush | 426 bugs found. UNCONFIRMED in maemo official applications&platform :\ | 21:19 |
| Venomrush | hopefully by the end of the night we'll get it down to... | 21:19 |
| Venomrush | 100? | 21:19 |
| Venomrush | lol | 21:19 |
| Venomrush | my query - https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=Maemo+Official+Applications&classification=Maemo+Official+Platform&version=5.0%2F%281.2009.41-10%29&version=5.0%2F%281.2009.42-11%29&version=5.0%2F%281.2009.44-1%29&version=5.0%2F%282.2009.51-1%29&version=5.0%2F%283.2010.02-8%29&version=unspecified&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwo | 21:20 |
| Venomrush | file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailqa_contact2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&query_based_on=N900+New&field0-0-0=noop&type | 21:20 |
| Venomrush | ue0-0-0= | 21:20 |
| andre__ | Venomrush, you should exclude those with "moreinfo" keyword and those with "Alias | contains the string | int-" | 21:21 |
| andre__ | that will decrease the list a bit | 21:21 |
| lma | Ok, let's do UNCONFIRMED/Fremantle then, I can have a look at the Diablo ones another day | 21:21 |
| andre__ | sounds good | 21:22 |
| * andre__ off to have a quick tea in the kitchen with the flatmates, brb | 21:22 | |
| lma | Me too | 21:23 |
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| lma | I think it will be more productive if we break it down by product, any prerefences? | 21:30 |
| Venomrush | lma, agree | 21:31 |
| Venomrush | let's do telephony first | 21:31 |
| Venomrush | is this ok? | 21:32 |
| Venomrush | i'll be using andre's query | 21:32 |
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| lma | bug 8218 looks related to (perhaps even a dupe of) bug 8454 to me | 21:34 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8218 device would get stuck or reboot at hangup (bootreason: sw_rst) | 21:34 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8454 Placing a call in portrait mode gets desktop stuck in portrait mode upon exit. | 21:34 |
| lma | or bug 5353 actually | 21:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5353 Phone app crashed as call ending | 21:35 |
| andre__ | hard to say | 21:38 |
| andre__ | need a coredump probably | 21:38 |
| Venomrush | bug 8218 can be close as worksforme | 21:38 |
| Venomrush | could be related to 3rd party applications, i expect dialcentral is at cause, a clean PR1.1 does not behave like this | 21:39 |
| lma | WORKSFORME works too, since the reporter can't reproduce anymore | 21:39 |
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| lma | Looking at bug 8607, I think I can confirm it and give it a better summary | 21:46 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 SIP call breaks during autoswitching from 3g to wifi | 21:46 |
| Venomrush | i would expect a break here though? | 21:47 |
| Venomrush | can't have 2 simultaneous 3g&wifi | 21:47 |
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| jukey_ | I don't know a situation where is active more than one connection at the same time | 21:50 |
| lma | It's a bad summary, the reporter asks for auto-switching the connection to not happen during a call | 21:51 |
| jukey_ | using the gui you also have to choose only one connection at the same time... but maybe the connection should _not_ switch if there is an active SIP call | 21:51 |
| Venomrush | I would expect a break here, as it requires to release the IP address from 3G then renew IP with Wifi. | 21:52 |
| andre__ | (ok, back) | 21:52 |
| jukey_ | ah :) | 21:52 |
| andre__ | yo guenther! | 21:52 |
| Venomrush | brb (need to restart my compp) | 21:52 |
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| guenther | yo | 21:52 |
| guenther | blah "Nickname is already in use." | 21:52 |
| *** guenther is now known as karstenb_ | 21:52 | |
| andre__ | introducing, though most people here already know: karstenb_ is also maemo.org bugmaster, but mostly hidden, working on technical stuff (e.g. updating Bugzilla) | 21:53 |
| karstenb_ | ... and hopes to get back to more open triaging soon. | 21:54 |
| jukey_ | thanks to bug 9459 I'm now installing maemo5 sdk =) | 21:55 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9459 Arch Linux: GUI Installer crashes (TypeError: QWizardPage.registerField has unexpected type 'str') | 21:55 |
| jukey_ | hi karsten | 21:55 |
| jukey_ | glad to see you here | 21:55 |
| lma | Hi Karsten! | 21:55 |
| karstenb_ | Hey guys. :) | 21:56 |
| lma | Ok, just reproduced bug 8607. Not sure it's in the right product though, any ideas? | 21:56 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8607 SIP call breaks during autoswitching from 3g to wifi | 21:56 |
| jukey_ | wo warst'n, karsten? ;) | 21:56 |
| karstenb_ | Ah, jukey_ actually is a jokey_! ;) | 21:57 |
| jukey_ | :) | 21:57 |
| jukey_ | yes, but now I'm back on the unconfirmed bugs list | 21:57 |
| andre__ | lma: if unsure I always leave that job to the Nokians which often don't know either :-P | 21:58 |
| lma | Fine by me :-) | 21:58 |
| MohammadAG | Getting the SYSLOGS and CAMEL logs for https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8089 | 21:58 |
| povbot | Bug 8089: Clicking notifications for e-mails in folders displays an error | 21:58 |
| andre__ | jukey_, SDK installation just because of that? whou. you get an extra cookie ;-) | 21:59 |
| jukey_ | indeed... wana see if there is a bug later in the install process (as you know making new bug reports creating more karma points) :-D | 22:00 |
| andre__ | heh | 22:00 |
| lma | Hm, I don't think CAMEL_DEBUG is useful for Nokia Messaging accounts but I could be wrong | 22:01 |
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| andre__ | also wondering | 22:02 |
| lma | Does anyone care about bug 8658? One more vote gets it confirmed the easy way ;-) | 22:03 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8658 Need way to disable cell calls and set SIP/Skype as default | 22:03 |
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| Venomrush | hey andre can u copy the query again? | 22:05 |
| andre__ | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?classification=Maemo+Official+Applications&classification=Maemo+Official+Platform&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&keywords_type=nowords&keywords=moreinfo&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&field0-0-0=alias&type0-0-0=notsubstring&value0-0-0=int- | 22:08 |
| jukey_ | lma: done :) | 22:08 |
| lma | bug 8837 seems INVALID to me, if the VM number isn't present in the SIM then the UI can't call it | 22:09 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8837 Voice mail number not stored in dial key "1" | 22:09 |
| MohammadAG | lma, if the number is not stored it can be typed in, should it be made into an enhancement? | 22:10 |
| lma | It already is. | 22:11 |
| lma | Leaving it alone then. | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | oh sorry, haven't checked it | 22:12 |
| Venomrush | thanks andre for the query, rather than doing them by product | 22:12 |
| Venomrush | i think we should do them by oldest first | 22:12 |
| Venomrush | https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&classification=Maemo%20Official%20Applications&classification=Maemo%20Official%20Platform&field-1-0-0=bug_status&field-1-1-0=classification&field-1-2-0=keywords&field0-0-0=alias&keywords=moreinfo&keywords_type=nowords&query_format=advanced&remaction=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&type-1-0-0=anyexact&type-1-1-0=anyexact&type-1-2-0=nowords&type0-0-0=notsubstring&value | 22:12 |
| Venomrush | RMED&value-1-1-0=Maemo%20Official%20Applications%2CMaemo%20Official%20Platform&value-1-2-0=moreinfo&value0-0-0=int-&order=bugs.delta_ts%2Cbugs.delta_ts%2Cbugs.delta_ts%2Cbugs.delta_ts%2Cbugs.bug_status%2Cbugs.priority%2Cmap_assigned_to.login_name%2Cbugs.bug_id&query_based_on= | 22:12 |
| Milhouse | what did i miss? | 22:13 |
| lma | Hi! | 22:13 |
| Milhouse | :) | 22:13 |
| Milhouse | hello - a bit later than planned :( | 22:13 |
| karstenb_ | No big deal -- you still got almost 7 hours left to go! ;) | 22:14 |
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| Milhouse | what do we think of bug 3975 - my personal pet peave right now... | 22:15 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3975 Add option to synchronise inbox with POP3 server | 22:15 |
| Milhouse | not so much the bug, just the way it's being handled... or not. | 22:15 |
| * andre900 kicks his router | 22:15 | |
| andre__ | didn't know that Sergio is out of that part :-/ | 22:16 |
| Milhouse | no me neither, bit of a surprise | 22:16 |
| lma | Me neither :-( | 22:16 |
| andre__ | let me reopen the internal ticket. though I wonder if that changes much. :-/ | 22:16 |
| lma | So is the Maemo version of Modest maintained now, and if so by whom? | 22:17 |
| Milhouse | that might help - the initial response is bizarre. the lack of input from sergio is disappointing, can anyone else pick it up? who is working on modest these days? all seems a bit of a mess... | 22:17 |
| andre__ | well, internally there is definitely an assignee, but I don't know that guy | 22:18 |
| Milhouse | Starting to hope that Moblin has a better email client, Modest just lurches from one set of bugs to another, with no real direction. Is there even a Modest roadmap? that might be useful. | 22:18 |
| Milhouse | Sorry, probably going OT now. | 22:19 |
| lma | Personally I just use claws-mail (though I dogfood modest from time to time when triaging bugs) | 22:20 |
| * karstenb_ grumbles | 22:20 | |
| karstenb_ | That's a feature request for POP3 protocol abuse. | 22:20 |
| andre__ | probably a question for the modest mailing list: https://garage.maemo.org/mail/?group_id=9 | 22:20 |
| karstenb_ | He describes IMAP functionality... | 22:20 |
| andre__ | karstenb_, feel free to comment, or discuss with Milhouse here :-D | 22:20 |
| Milhouse | Suspect I may have to consider an alternative - I'd really like to see the stock apps as being the best of breed though | 22:20 |
| jukey_ | moblin uses anjal and that is definitely not the best choice atm :) | 22:20 |
| jukey_ | but in future... who knows? | 22:21 |
| lma | With one or two exceptions, the bundled stuff are usually the worst of breed | 22:22 |
| lma | There's a moblin branch in upstream modest too | 22:22 |
| Milhouse | karsten - the odd thing is that "POP synchronisation" (for want of a better description) used to work with the first N900 firmware release, then was partially broken by a release, and according to the internal comment the expected behaviour is that it should not work at all... | 22:23 |
| andre__ | this is getting interesting. There's Modest, there's anjal (which is gtk based as far as I know, but I might be wrong), plus Nokia most probably also had their one Harmattan email client plans... | 22:23 |
| lma | But both modest and anjal inherit evolution's crappy IMAP engine :-( | 22:23 |
| andre__ | IMAPX will land in the next version of e-d-s | 22:23 |
| karstenb_ | Milhouse: That's weird indeed. | 22:24 |
| Milhouse | My take on Modest is that there is a lot of POP/IMAP confusion and it needs sorting out. | 22:24 |
| karstenb_ | And apparently, it works as desired for header-only, not downloaded mail. | 22:24 |
| lma | andre__ yeah, I saw that on the planet a few days ago, maybe there's hope yet | 22:24 |
| karstenb_ | So that's an inconsistency. | 22:24 |
| Milhouse | Karsten: Yep, that bug was originally raised against Diablo, so also isn't entirely relevant in some respects (at least, Modest did work perfectly at first, then slowly became more broken with each update) | 22:25 |
| karstenb_ | Even though an abuse of the protocol, it probably is the desired behavior for most users these days. Regardless how much I hate to say that. ;) | 22:25 |
| Milhouse | Hence my frustration with nobody from the dev team giving a rats arse | 22:25 |
| Milhouse | :) | 22:25 |
| * karstenb_ is a mail type of hacker | 22:25 | |
| karstenb_ | And the facts Modest does it for header-only contributes to this... | 22:25 |
| Milhouse | karsten: it's how my old Nokia behaved, I can't understand why anyone would want it to work any other way (with respect to POP, that is) | 22:25 |
| jukey_ | we should count mid air collisions! I got my first this evening yet :) | 22:26 |
| lma | I had two already | 22:27 |
| Milhouse | Andre, Quim is cc'd on 3975 - it would be interested to get a steer on Maemo Modest. At the moment it's looking a bit rudderless. | 22:27 |
| karstenb_ | Milhouse: Well, you do realize you actually want IMAP, right? Just saying... ;) | 22:27 |
| jukey_ | all in all 3 and still counting | 22:28 |
| lma | nod | 22:28 |
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| andre__ | Milhouse, I totally agree. | 22:28 |
| Milhouse | karsten: I'd love IMAP! Just that my ISP has no plans to implement it, and I don't have the time to setup my own IMAP server right now (have tried, failed - too much tweaking) and as I say, POP can be made to work just fine... Nokia themselves have proved it (actually it was with the Nokia Messaging client on an N85). | 22:29 |
| karstenb_ | Ah, I have read that response (first part) before... :) | 22:29 |
| Milhouse | I've also got an inbox full of 8 week old emails despite a 5-day delete rule. | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, got the syslog, it's not the smallest I've saved but it has a lot of private emails in it | 22:30 |
| Milhouse | but enough moaning about modest. :) | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | oh and the error seems to be the last few lines, should I paste only those? | 22:30 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, feel free drop a private email in case of private information onculded | 22:31 |
| * karstenb_ now adds "karsten" to his highlight list, just because of Milhouse ;-) | 22:31 | |
| andre__ | if you're sure that it's only the last line, it's fine | 22:31 |
| karstenb_ | Milhouse: But yeah, as I said -- Nowadays, I tend to agree with the bug report. It can be done. | 22:31 |
| Milhouse | ah, sorry karstenb :) | 22:31 |
| karstenb_ | Even more so, because it is inconsistent with header-only, where it does just that... | 22:32 |
| Milhouse | it's madenning... :) | 22:32 |
| * karstenb_ has a hint for Milhouse: Tab auto-completion for nicks. | 22:32 | |
| Milhouse | oohh - thanks | 22:33 |
| karstenb_ | There's a trailing underscore. Someone else took my nick... | 22:33 |
| karstenb_ | Handy, isn't it? :-) | 22:33 |
| lma | what do you know, that works even on the browser client :-) | 22:33 |
| Milhouse | karstenb_: very :) | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, attached the syslog | 22:36 |
| MohammadAG | moving on to other bugs | 22:37 |
| andre__ | thanks! | 22:37 |
| lma | I have one I'd like to reopen: bug 5699 (warning: may be controversial) | 22:39 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5699 WLAN regulatory domain changes to US when no position data available | 22:39 |
| lma | Does anyone have a pointer to the *actual* FCC requirements? | 22:40 |
| Milhouse | couldn't that leave some people without wifi connectivity if their router is using a non-US channel? | 22:40 |
| Milhouse | s/router/ap/ | 22:40 |
| lma | Of course. It does. See also the duplicates. | 22:41 |
| * andre__ has no clue at all on that one. Do what you think is right... | 22:41 | |
| lma | It's also much worse when there's no SIM installed, in that case it's stuck to US even with an active GPS fix. | 22:41 |
| lma | andre__: feel free to set your AP to channel 12 or 13 for a couple of days and see for yourself | 22:43 |
| Milhouse | aren't there different regional firmwares? | 22:43 |
| andre__ | I'm already happy if my AP actually *works*. I'm not very keen on tweaking a running system if it's not the N900 ;-) | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | INVALID for me, anyone else experiencing this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9137 | 22:43 |
| povbot | Bug 9137: need to take out battery twice for changing SIM card | 22:43 |
| lma | The N900 WLAN chip/driver is "softmac", and that's part of the problem apparently since the FCC have more strict requirements for those (but I haven't been able to find them yet) | 22:44 |
| MohammadAG | (And I change sim cards more than 10 times a week) | 22:44 |
| karstenb_ | MohammadAG: Doesn't sound like a software bug to me... ;-) | 22:44 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG: feel free to close as WORKSFORME I'd say | 22:44 |
| andre__ | plus no response for a month... hmm. | 22:45 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG: 10 times a week? What's your job, or hobby? :-D | 22:45 |
| lma | MohammadAG: haven't come across it, and I change SIMs often too. Maybe it's specific to a particular SIM or its contents? | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, I'm 16, so I wouldn't say I have a job :) | 22:45 |
| Milhouse | lma: I can understand the WLAN module default to somewhere when it doesn't have a clue, but surely there is a clue in the firmware... the bug reporter doesn't state what firmware they are using (in terms of region, not number) | 22:46 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, I can't close the bug, only option is Leave as UNCONFIRMED | 22:46 |
| lma | Syslog output might help with this one | 22:46 |
| Milhouse | I use Global, and despite being in the UK have seen it flip over to the US | 22:46 |
| karstenb_ | MohammadAG: Feel free to leave the comment and stuff -- and I can close it based on that. | 22:46 |
| Milhouse | But if I were using UK firmware, it would be ridiculous if that too flipped to the US | 22:47 |
| karstenb_ | lma: ^^ Feel like adding a workforme comment, too, before I close it? | 22:47 |
| Milhouse | Or if it was the Arabic firmware, it should default to something sane for that region. | 22:47 |
| lma | Milhouse: I'm the reporter :-) It's an Amsterdam summit loaner device, but I have seen it on the UK variant too | 22:47 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, oh. may I offer you some permissions? :) | 22:47 |
| Milhouse | Then that's wrong, and might be worth adding. Global firmware might be a grey area, but regionalised firmware should default to the region | 22:48 |
| lma | Oh, it flips to US every time it loses cellular network coverage | 22:48 |
| Milhouse | UK -> Europe, Arabic -> ???, Global -> ???, possibly "safest" which is probably US | 22:48 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, well I have some free time so I'd be happy to monitor the Bugtracker :) | 22:48 |
| lma | (gotta go for a while, will be back) | 22:49 |
| Milhouse | lma: US has the least available channels I think so could be considered the "safest" option | 22:49 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, here you go, combined with the usual "Please take a look at the Triage Guide and http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad#How_everybody_can_help , and in general if unsure ask first, and use common sense." disclaimer :) | 22:49 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, and feel free to drop a line at http://wiki.maemo.org/Bugsquad#Bugsquad_Members :) | 22:50 |
| karstenb_ | yes, please :) | 22:50 |
| karstenb_ | Welcome to the bugsquad, MohammadAG. | 22:51 |
| andre__ | yay | 22:51 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, thanks :) I'll read the usual wiki stuff, I moderate a site so I have common sense (I think :p) | 22:51 |
| andre__ | jukey_, sure with https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8645 being a dup? | 22:52 |
| povbot | Bug 8645: External vfat mmc corrupted, file tables damaged? all files missing | 22:52 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, welcome :) | 22:52 |
| MohammadAG | Thanks andre__ | 22:52 |
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| MohammadAG | and thanks karstenb_ :) | 22:52 |
| jukey_ | andre__: hmmm... if you ask me directly: no, I'm not sure | 22:54 |
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| jukey_ | maybe the reason is a due but not the consequence | 22:55 |
| jukey_ | dupe | 22:55 |
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| andre__ | jukey_, I'm also not sure :) | 22:56 |
| andre__ | if in doubt I prefer to keep them separate | 22:57 |
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| andre__ | heja Noobmonk3y_! | 22:57 |
| Noobmonk3y_ | hey hey, just an early hello, will join properly when i get home :) | 22:58 |
| andre__ | haha, ok | 22:58 |
| * andre__ will probably be on coffeine and steroids at that time to not sleep yet ;-) | 22:59 | |
| andre__ | jukey_, can you reopen https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8645 then? TIA :) | 22:59 |
| povbot | Bug 8645: External vfat mmc corrupted, file tables damaged? all files missing | 22:59 |
| MohammadAG | Marking as INVALID https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9104 | 23:00 |
| povbot | Bug 9104: N900 does not charge if MicroUSB cable is connected BEFORE turning on external Power Source | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | bug reporter uses a "generic" adapter to charge, and not the supplied one | 23:00 |
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| andre__ | MohammadAG: either INVALID or WONTFIX, yeah. INVALID seems to fit better, with a comment that this is simply not supported, hence no fixes or investigation by Nokia planned... | 23:01 |
| andre__ | errm... JimiDini: you don't use IRC as root, do you? | 23:02 |
| MohammadAG | WONTFIX means - in my opinion - it's a known problem but it won't be fixed, so yep, INVALID it is | 23:02 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, strictly speaking you're totally right, yeah. | 23:03 |
| jukey_ | andre__: sure and done already :) | 23:03 |
| JimiDini | andre__ that's the only user there is on router ;) i use it as irc-proxy | 23:03 |
| andre__ | jukey_, thanks | 23:03 |
| andre__ | JimiDini: heh... There's enough IRC servers out there that will kick you immediately for that, for good reasons (user protection) :) | 23:04 |
| MohammadAG | anything done about this? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9085 | 23:05 |
| povbot | Bug 9085: Camera lens is returned too hard back to home position | 23:05 |
| JimiDini | andre__ I should mask this fact I guess ;) | 23:06 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, please confirm 9085 | 23:06 |
| andre__ | totally valid issue. | 23:06 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, confirmed, was present in preproduction models | 23:07 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't have one, but the reviewer thought it was a feature | 23:08 |
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| * jukey_ has to go now... the day was longer than expected - wishing all of you a successful bug day/night! :-) | 23:12 | |
| andre__ | jukey_, ciao ciao! | 23:13 |
| jukey_ | ciao! | 23:13 |
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| MohammadAG | reading https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8965 | 23:14 |
| povbot | Bug 8965: Battery discharges with wall-charger connected | 23:14 |
| andre__ | Venomrush: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8028 - do you have two languages defined in Settings > Text input? | 23:14 |
| povbot | Bug 8028: ctrl-space switches input language in X Terminal | 23:14 |
| andre__ | because I can still reproduce this here. | 23:14 |
| andre__ | (yeah, that part was missing in the steps.) | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | From my experience hal doesn't get updated while charging, as it displays ~40mAh when the green LED on | 23:14 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, bug 8028, CTRL+Backspace switches languages when using ukeyboard | 23:16 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8028 ctrl-space switches input language in X Terminal | 23:16 |
| MohammadAG | I'll check w/o ukeyboard | 23:16 |
| andre__ | bug8965 - no clue. that report is already... not the best quality | 23:16 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, I can definitely reproduce 8028, no need to check it too :) | 23:16 |
| andre__ | I'm just wondering if Venomrush has the same settings (two languages defined) or not :) | 23:17 |
| MohammadAG | oh ok, misunderstood you :) | 23:17 |
| andre__ | hehe | 23:18 |
| lma | (back) | 23:18 |
| Venomrush | andre__, yup confirming bug | 23:19 |
| lma | Hold on | 23:19 |
| lma | See also bug 7760 | 23:19 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7760 Ctrl + Space enters NUL character in terminal | 23:19 |
| andre__ | Venomrush, feel free to reopen and confirm | 23:19 |
| andre__ | oh true | 23:19 |
| lma | it's not at all clear which behaviour is correct | 23:20 |
| andre__ | I think it's a dup of 7760 now that you say. Thanks for remembering that one :) | 23:20 |
| Venomrush | i would say 8028 depends on 7760 | 23:20 |
| lma | but since there are other ways of entering NUL I'd say language switching is the prefered option | 23:20 |
| Venomrush | or dup | 23:20 |
| lma | It's not a dupe, it requests the opposite :-) | 23:20 |
| lma | (Fun!) | 23:21 |
| andre__ | okay. let me merge them. | 23:21 |
| andre__ | done. plus adjusted summary, in bugs.maemo.org and internally | 23:23 |
| lma | Thanks :-) While on the subject of ctrl+space, anything you can share on the fix to bug 2501? | 23:23 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501 Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 23:23 |
| andre__ | lma: good question. as I don't trust some people internally I should probably try myself first with the internal newer version I'm running here. moment | 23:25 |
| lma | Try with a non-latin second language (eg Russian or Greek) as those seem to be the most buggy | 23:26 |
| andre__ | urgh. I think Urho was wrong | 23:27 |
| andre__ | russian is easier for me, I can read that at least :-P | 23:28 |
| lma | I knew it sounded too good to be true :-| | 23:28 |
| andre__ | garr. not fixed at all. | 23:28 |
| andre__ | fuck | 23:28 |
| lma | That one's been going FIXED -> Oh wait, not really since Chinook :-( | 23:28 |
| andre__ | reopening | 23:29 |
| MohammadAG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5981 | 23:30 |
| povbot | Bug 5981: When you tap outside of "Retrieving contacts' info", Hermes reports that "Something went wrong:" | 23:30 |
| MohammadAG | Not sure if that should be confirmed, as it's not a Maemo 5 bug | 23:31 |
| andre__ | uh wait. lma, see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2501#c31 ? | 23:31 |
| povbot | Bug 2501: Hardware keyboard doesn't switch Input language when pressing Ctrl+Space | 23:31 |
| lma | It's a Hermes bug, under extras | 23:31 |
| lma | andre__: yup, but see comment 44 later on | 23:32 |
| karstenb_ | MohammadAG: It has a product, so all is well and it belongs there. :) | 23:33 |
| andre__ | lma, true | 23:33 |
| karstenb_ | MohammadAG: Do you use Hermes? | 23:33 |
| * karstenb_ reaches for his old standard disclaimers | 23:33 | |
| andre__ | lma, can I restore the previous state of FIXED and wait for Urho to elaborate? | 23:33 |
| andre__ | maybe there is really a fix and I am just too stupid | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | karstenb_, yes | 23:34 |
| karstenb_ | You don't have to comment or otherwise do anything. You are free to just leave a bug alone, for someone else to pick up. At any time. No obligation whatsoever. | 23:34 |
| lma | Sure | 23:34 |
| MohammadAG | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6276 | 23:34 |
| povbot | Bug 6276: After reflashing desktop widgets are still there - but should be on same position | 23:34 |
| * andre__ been too lazy to test that, though he reflashes a few times a week | 23:35 | |
| lma | I think this might have been a side-effect of bug 7432 | 23:35 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash | 23:35 |
| andre__ | oh true, good assumption | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, commented on it | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | I reflsahed the second day I got the N900 :) | 23:36 |
| MohammadAG | (then found out it was a hardware problem that fixed itself after 2 months) | 23:37 |
| andre__ | self-fixing hardware problems? tell us more, I think lots of people are interested in that behaviour. :-D | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | Vibration motor wasn't working (broke on the second day without any abuse), I rebooted the device one day (this february) and it vibrated at startup | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | not a real big issue though :p | 23:39 |
| Venomrush | nice :D | 23:39 |
| Venomrush | self healing n900 | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | I've had many hardware problems with my N900, and they seem to fix themselves | 23:39 |
| MohammadAG | current one is that the screen crackles at the top right area | 23:40 |
| Venomrush | 1st batch is dodgy | 23:40 |
| andre__ | Many people must be jealous of your N900 then. I don't think many N900's do that ;-) | 23:40 |
| Venomrush | so many issues | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | mine was made in week 47 I think | 23:40 |
| andre__ | how can I find out the week? | 23:40 |
| MohammadAG | Week 51 actually | 23:41 |
| andre__ | ah well, I've got an Amsterdam Summit device anyway :) | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, it's on the box of the device | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | US boxes only I think | 23:41 |
| andre__ | ah. heh. okay :-) | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | has 51 / 2009 on it | 23:41 |
| Venomrush | cant see this.. | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | got 32wd_to yesterday | 23:42 |
| Venomrush | yeah got uk box | 23:42 |
| andre__ | lma: so you think that https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6276 only happens because of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 wasn't fixed, or what? | 23:42 |
| povbot | Bug 6276: After reflashing desktop widgets are still there - but should be on same position | 23:42 |
| povbot | Bug 7432: /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | Venomrush, UK boxes don't have it | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | /home/user actually | 23:42 |
| MohammadAG | /opt doesn't contain settings | 23:42 |
| Venomrush | when bug day finishes in 5h20, ill be watching lost | 23:43 |
| Venomrush | xD | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | if only bug day was more than 9 hours long | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | I'll be going to sleep in 5 mins, have to get up early tomorrow | 23:43 |
| lma | andre__: before bug 7432 was fixed, a reflashed device would still have leftovers in /home and /opt from the previous installation | 23:43 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7432 /opt and /home/user not cleared after firmware reflash | 23:43 |
| lma | which explains why the reporter would see 3rd-party widgets magically reappear: both the widgets (in /opt) and the hildon-desktop config (in /home/user) were left intact | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | damn, now I have to backup my XChat settings when I reflash :P | 23:45 |
| andre__ | lma, I assume the same actually | 23:45 |
| karstenb_ | MohammadAG: Also on the UK versions, it seems... | 23:45 |
| karstenb_ | 49/2009 | 23:45 |
| andre__ | lma, want to close it? :-) | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | karstenb_, friend didn't have | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | he looked all over his box | 23:45 |
| karstenb_ | I just checked mine -- it's on the sticker. | 23:45 |
| karstenb_ | Ah, now I see you just said "not for UK" -- Didn't see, I've been away digging for the box. :) | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | oh so you're from the US? | 23:46 |
| MohammadAG | thought you were from the UK heh | 23:47 |
| karstenb_ | Well, I can confirm my UK import to DE has it. ;) | 23:47 |
| lma | hm I have a guest UK box here and the label doesn't say anything like that | 23:47 |
| karstenb_ | nah, I'm in Germany | 23:47 |
| lma | it's "Made in Korea" if that matters | 23:47 |
| karstenb_ | But wanted an international keyboard, so opted for UK | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | All are made in korea AFAIK | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | karstenb_, same here, didn't want arabic | 23:47 |
| MohammadAG | ironically, Nokia released the ME version without an arabic keyboard | 23:47 |
| lma | and on the top right the label says "UK CTV BLACK" | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | two weeks after I received my US device | 23:48 |
| karstenb_ | heh, tough luck :/ | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | tell me about it | 23:48 |
| lma | andre__: Best to wait for PR1.2 I think | 23:48 |
| MohammadAG | oh btw, devices with arabic keyboards are manufactured in China | 23:49 |
| andre__ | lma, okay, adding it to my PR1.2 checklist | 23:49 |
| karstenb_ | Well, at least I *knew* the DE version will have a localized keyboard. | 23:49 |
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| karstenb_ | But even despite my own name using umlauts -- I wanted the arrow keys. | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | same, arabic has 2 more letters than english | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | same with finnish (and german I guess :)) | 23:51 |
| Venomrush | karsten, any news on upgrade to new bz? | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | Well, I'm done for today, I'll be back tomorrow I guess | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | Night everyone | 23:52 |
| * MohammadAG switches to N900 | 23:53 | |
| lma | Good night, and welcome aboard! | 23:53 |
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| MohammadAG | nn lma and ty :) | 23:54 |
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| MohammadAG_ | lousy quit message, forgot to change that :( | 23:54 |
| Venomrush | night mate | 23:56 |
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