| andre__ | garr. | 00:18 |
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| Anidel | what ? | 00:18 |
| andre__ | probably because of that weird sendmail.pm error people get, so they try again. | 00:18 |
| Anidel | ah the post | 00:19 |
| * andre__ should friendlylyly push some people tomorrow to look at it, as it did not happen before the server move | 00:19 | |
| * Anidel nods | 00:19 | |
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| Anidel | andre__, have you any idea what it's going on with the apps icons in the app list ? | 00:53 |
| Anidel | I know they remove the icon cache or something related.. | 00:53 |
| Anidel | s/remove/removed | 00:54 |
| Anidel | and now all the apps that you install are icon-less | 00:54 |
| Anidel | until reboot probably | 00:54 |
| andre__ | Anidel, uh?! | 00:55 |
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| andre__ | haven't seen that, but I haven't tested PR1.1 yet on the second machine | 00:57 |
| Anidel | I installed plenty of apps from the Ovi store | 00:57 |
| Anidel | all the new ones are icon less until reboot.. the ones installed yesterday appear.. as I have rebooted | 00:57 |
| Anidel | I've read from a blog, kontori I think, that gtk-update-icon-cache is a no-op now | 00:58 |
| Anidel | so may be that explains it.. but not sure it this happens in 44-1 as well | 00:58 |
| andre__ | yeah, gtk-update-icon-cache has died | 00:59 |
| andre__ | and there's still the open bug about the last installed app only having the default icon in the applications menu | 00:59 |
| Anidel | so not sure if that's the cause of this (updating the screenshot now) | 00:59 |
| Anidel | uploading | 00:59 |
| andre__ | but yours sounds different :) | 00:59 |
| Anidel | yep :) | 00:59 |
| Anidel | http://share.ovi.com/media/anidel.n900/anidel.10193 | 01:00 |
| andre__ | Anidel, that only happens with Ovi, but not if you install several apps from Extras ? | 01:01 |
| * andre__ lets Anidel run into full rootfs with trying this out ;-) | 01:01 | |
| Anidel | full rootfs ? what do you mean :) | 01:02 |
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| andre__ | ah, oeh, oh, never!!! | 01:02 |
| Anidel | come on...what's that? | 01:03 |
| Anidel | ahhh | 01:03 |
| Anidel | sorry :) my tiredness eheh | 01:03 |
| Anidel | ok let's install an app from ham... | 01:04 |
| Anidel | no icon for that.. a new one.. | 01:05 |
| Anidel | ecoach | 01:05 |
| Anidel | ah! all of them now have the icon | 01:06 |
| Anidel | fm radio (and still space on the rootfs :p) | 01:07 |
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| Anidel | no icon for it...last one | 01:07 |
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| Anidel | there you are | 01:11 |
| Anidel | andre__, got the previous messages? | 01:12 |
| andre__ | yes | 01:13 |
| andre__ | looks like a bug in case of ovi apps, i'd say? | 01:13 |
| andre__ | feel free to file a bug report :) | 01:13 |
| andre__ | last ome missing icon is known already though | 01:13 |
| Anidel | well the last two apps I've installed from HAM do not have the icons | 01:13 |
| andre__ | hmmm | 01:14 |
| Anidel | so clearly something is missing still.. should the packages do something ? (not asking you, but if you know you can answer) | 01:14 |
| andre__ | don't know | 01:14 |
| Anidel | me neither.. and it's weird that all the apps from Ovi have this issue.. | 01:15 |
| Anidel | what's different in the end.. nothing.. | 01:15 |
| Anidel | I think | 01:15 |
| Anidel | wasn't the app snapshot at startup supposed to be recreated after changing theme? | 01:19 |
| andre__ | I think that was fixed later | 01:19 |
| andre__ | it should yeah, but probably in PR1.1 | 01:19 |
| Anidel | the beta I have ? :) | 01:20 |
| Anidel | 51-1, if so.. it is not | 01:20 |
| Anidel | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7868 | 01:23 |
| povbot` | Bug 7868: De-select a piece when clicking a second time | 01:23 |
| Anidel | nice :) | 01:23 |
| Anidel | Nice how many duplicates :p with seq number | 01:23 |
| andre__ | Anidel, Bug 7868: yeah, happened because of https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7854 | 01:24 |
| povbot` | Bug 7854: undef error - Insecure dependency in exec while running with -T switch at /usr/share/perl5/Mail/Mailer/sendmail.pm line 22. | 01:24 |
| Anidel | ah ok | 01:24 |
| jebba | i was just about to file this https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7822 | 01:37 |
| povbot` | Bug 7822: DTMF tone sounds for number buttons | 01:37 |
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| Anidel | wow just lost all my catalogues from ham ?? | 01:46 |
| Anidel | lost | 01:48 |
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| Anidel | reboot solved...weird | 01:48 |
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| andre__ | weird | 01:54 |
| Anidel | yes...actually at one point something said (notification) Operation failed... | 02:00 |
| Anidel | now I know it was HAM | 02:00 |
| Anidel | no idea what failed | 02:00 |
| Anidel | but restarting it didn't help | 02:00 |
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| Anidel | morning andre__ | 11:06 |
| andre__ | ahoj! | 11:06 |
| Anidel | :) I'm snowed in today.. cool, I'll be working from home.. ah | 11:08 |
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| andre__ | "Alarm clock does not wake me up when battery has died" | 13:36 |
| andre__ | awesome. | 13:36 |
| range | lol | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | sadly that's a nokia requirement | 13:36 |
| timeless_mbp | seriously, we're constantly reminded that it should work | 13:37 |
| andre__ | isn't that similar to "My WiFi router does not work when the city is out of electricity" ? | 13:37 |
| andre__ | timeless_mbp, requirement?! how? | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | no: my battery backed wifi router doesn't work when the city is out of power :) | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | the device is supposed to kill itself long before it's actually out of power | 13:37 |
| timeless_mbp | *just* so that it can wake itself up and ring an alarm | 13:37 |
| range | timeless_mbp: So does that mean that the phone goes out before the battery is empty so it can still keep the alarm? | 13:37 |
| range | I should type faster. | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | officially that's a requirement, yes | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | users suck. | 13:38 |
| andre__ | so it's a valid bug even? yay. | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | yep | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | well, don't worry most people inside nokia don't like it either | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | so your gut response is absolutely correct | 13:38 |
| timeless_mbp | but sadly, management understands this user complaint and would like to do something for them | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, that's my memory of the explanation i was given | 13:39 |
| timeless_mbp | oh,no, it's time for me to try to eat yesterday's breakfast | 13:40 |
| andre__ | heh. that sounds a bit like your mother forces you to do so :-P | 13:41 |
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| timeless_mbp | oh right | 13:52 |
| timeless_mbp | i forgot, i was supposed to yell at Welho | 13:55 |
| * timeless_mbp decides to skip yesterday's breakfast for another day | 13:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | service appointment of 10am to 1pm | 13:58 |
| * timeless_mbp sighs | 13:59 | |
| timeless_mbp | you'd think that when they have a menu "press 2 for english" | 14:01 |
| timeless_mbp | they'd transfer you to someone who has a decent command of English | 14:02 |
| timeless_mbp | and who would answer the phone in English | 14:02 |
| timeless_mbp | but no, not in Finland | 14:02 |
| andre__ | it's just a motivation to get integrated into society by learning the language ;-) | 14:07 |
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| timeless_mbp | andre__: did i mention that i'm going to an Expat Forum of some sort tomorrow? :) | 16:58 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be exciting | 16:58 |
| andre__ | heh. I've always avoided this here. Once went to the LUG though | 16:58 |
| * timeless_mbp attacks a random person named henri | 17:01 | |
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| GeneralAntilles | Hehe, I think it should use Ovi to locate the nearest electronic device and use that to ring an alarm at the appropriate time. ;) | 19:41 |
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| GeneralAntilles | andre__, ping? | 20:48 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, pong | 20:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | Can we also set priority to Unspecified by default? | 20:48 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, currently, it's defaultpriority == Low | 20:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, right, but it can be changed easily? | 20:50 |
| andre__ | do you think it will change something? | 20:50 |
| andre__ | yes, one click | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unspecified is better, I think, for a number of reasons. | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | First, it's less insulting for the reporter | 20:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | Second, it makes it much easier to spot reporter-set priorities. | 20:50 |
| andre__ | good points. let me change it. | 20:52 |
| andre__ | changed. | 20:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Karma whoring alert: bug #7931 | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7931 | 20:53 |
| povbot` | Bug 7931: Set default priority to "Unspecified" | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | We need to get mgedmin to poke at povbot. | 20:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | Surely this is a dupe: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7922 | 20:55 |
| povbot` | Bug 7922: Unable to send Operator Service Requests like *100*123456# | 20:55 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, 5357 | 20:57 |
| andre__ | damn, I know these numbers by hard. or is it heart? :-P | 20:57 |
| * andre__ wonders whether for upcoming PR1.1 and PR1.2 update releases to mass comment on reports with an old version and asking people to recheck if there issue is still valid | 20:59 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Not worth it. | 20:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Unless you want more karma. | 21:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | Then, totally worth it. | 21:00 |
| andre__ | think so? | 21:00 |
| andre__ | well, | 21:00 |
| andre__ | if I do this only for 1.2009.41-10 I think it makes sense | 21:00 |
| andre__ | because that was the maemo.org Summit release and reporters for that version are probably tech-interested | 21:00 |
| andre__ | hmm, or maybe only for those that are in "unconfirmed" state? | 21:01 |
| * andre__ spending time this evening how to keep the bug database a bit uptodate, obviously | 21:01 | |
| GeneralAntilles | Spam -community instead? | 21:01 |
| * andre__ moves thinking about this into a pub with a beer later on | 21:04 | |
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| andre__ | dpkg confuses me. so does https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7858#c11 mean that mp-fremantle-generic-pr is installed, or not? | 21:53 |
| povbot` | Bug 7858: cant see 1.2009.44-1 software update | 21:53 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, lol. | 21:55 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, my bet is that these people have all removed the metapackage. | 21:55 |
| andre__ | I don't get it. Sorry, I never grew up with apt and dpkg :-P | 21:55 |
| * andre__ has always been an rpm'er | 21:55 | |
| timeless_mbp | Purge Not-installed | 21:57 |
| timeless_mbp | it should be ii not pn | 21:57 |
| * GeneralAntilles wonders how they all managed to kill it. | 21:57 | |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: easiest way to look | 21:57 |
| timeless_mbp | if the version is <none>, it's not there :) | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | Wish we could name it "REALLY GODDAMN IMPORTANT PACKAGE" or something. | 21:57 |
| GeneralAntilles | osso-software-version was at least a little better than "mp-fremantle-generic-pr" | 21:58 |
| timeless_mbp | and if there's '(no description available)' that's probably also a good hint that it isn't there | 21:58 |
| timeless_mbp | critical-fremantle | 21:58 |
| andre__ | so, who files a brainstorm ticket to rename the package to "never-remove-this"? | 21:58 |
| timeless_mbp | not me | 21:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't believe in brainstorm | 21:59 |
| GeneralAntilles | Brainstorm is fail. | 22:00 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't mind it | 22:00 |
| timeless_mbp | as long as i never have to use it :) | 22:00 |
| timeless_mbp | unlike tmo, whose mere existence bothers me | 22:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i'd rather not believe we have so many idiotic users | 22:01 |
| timeless_mbp | andre__: so how do you politely explain to the idiot that he removed the critical package required for system updates to work? | 22:01 |
| andre__ | I did already? :-P | 22:01 |
| andre__ | just want to know if the "Version" field is empty too, then I'll close it as INVALID. | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | it shouldn't be | 22:02 |
| timeless_mbp | fwiw, ruskie (online) is working on a script to backup packages | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | so that they can be uninstalled and then reinstalled | 22:03 |
| andre__ | oh shweet | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | you could borrow his scripts and try it yourself to see what happens if you uninstall this package | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | i think he's pretty close to done | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | the goal is to have a single package which installs from e.g. extras | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | which provides a repository | 22:03 |
| timeless_mbp | which includes replacements for nokia packages | 22:04 |
| andre__ | no time for testing here | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | the replacement will conflict and provide the nokia package | 22:04 |
| andre__ | I'm already happy when I manage to comment on some bug reports actually :-( | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and in preinst it will package up the nokia package | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | and add it to the repository | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | so when you decide to uninstall the replacement package | 22:04 |
| timeless_mbp | if there's a dependency around, it should pull back in the nokia package :) | 22:05 |
| timeless_mbp | that's the theory | 22:05 |
| andre__ | oh, that sounds pretty nice | 22:09 |
| timeless_mbp | the only downside is that ruskie likes dash+sed instead of perl | 22:11 |
| timeless_mbp | but it seems like he knows what he's doing, and he takes direction well, and has the right level of initiative and understanding of disassembling stuff | 22:12 |
| timeless_mbp | smart guy :) | 22:12 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, I really want the guided submission form. :( | 22:36 |
| andre__ | and I want 3.4 first. | 22:37 |
| andre__ | but then I'll yell together with you for it! :-) | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, be so nice not having such inconsistent deletion of the template text. | 22:37 |
| andre__ | uhm? where? | 22:37 |
| GeneralAntilles | In new bugs. | 22:37 |
| andre__ | mmm.... anything specific in mind? | 22:38 |
| * andre__ likes getting blamed in public :-P | 22:38 | |
| GeneralAntilles | You know, where you can hardly find the actually reproducibility because they didn't delete the parens text. | 22:38 |
| andre__ | ah... | 22:38 |
| GeneralAntilles | andre__, you know what's horribly sad? I actually had a dream about a guided submission form a few months ago. | 22:39 |
| andre__ | GeneralAntilles, uargh. Bad sign. But I admit that I've also dreamed of work. If it's not too often... | 22:40 |
| andre__ | But also dreamed of playing hex-a-hop :-P | 22:40 |
| * GeneralAntilles manages to keep video games out of his dreams pretty well. | 22:41 | |
| * timeless_mbp hasn't had video game dreams in months | 22:43 | |
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| timeless_mbp | GeneralAntilles: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4053#c4 | 23:46 |
| povbot` | Bug 4053: Confusing behaviour when saving to a file that matches an existing directory | 23:46 |
| timeless_mbp | do you think they really created a folder "j.peg"? | 23:46 |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't understand their instructions at all | 23:48 | |
| * timeless_mbp doesn't understand how they could fail to follow the steps to reproduce | 23:48 | |
| timeless_mbp | it seems like they were using file manager instead of camera | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | s/camera/image viewer/ | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | which is fairly impressive for a bug in the image viewer | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | "Is these the same issue your talking?" | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | I found a new quip. | 23:49 |
| timeless_mbp | qupis grow on trees :) | 23:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | timeless_mbp, yeah, but you usually have to climb up them, or at least use a fruit picker. | 23:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | This one just fell in my lap. :P | 23:50 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 23:50 |
| timeless_mbp | so, can you please translate the comment i linked to into en-native | 23:51 |
| timeless_mbp | > Your chicken, your egg, your problem. | 23:51 |
| * timeless_mbp likes that | 23:51 | |
| timeless_mbp | ?? IMBWOTO ?? | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Not a clue | 23:51 |
| GeneralAntilles | Googled it, came up with a couple results from an iPhone forum. | 23:52 |
| GeneralAntilles | Figured it probably wasn't grossly offensive and stopped caring. | 23:52 |
| timeless_mbp | heh | 23:52 |
| timeless_mbp | btw, are you running 44-1 or "something else"? | 23:55 |
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