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| jukey_ | hum | 00:40 |
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| jukey_ | I got 1700 bug mails :) | 00:40 |
| jukey_ | not bad at all | 00:40 |
| jukey_ | :D | 00:41 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 00:42 |
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| Anidel | hi | 00:45 |
| Anidel | so in a week or so the real update should come out.. what will happen to people that haven't update to 44? | 00:45 |
| VDVsx | will die :P | 00:46 |
| VDVsx | no update for them, I guess | 00:47 |
| jukey_ | dou you mean the poor guys using 51? ;) | 00:47 |
| VDVsx | since 51 depends on 44 | 00:47 |
| GeneralAntilles | Anidel, the fixes in 44 are already in 51 | 00:47 |
| jukey_ | well to know | 00:47 |
| Anidel | well no.. | 00:47 |
| Anidel | the upgrade from 42 to 51 won't work | 00:48 |
| Anidel | that's why they've released 44 right? | 00:48 |
| VDVsx | I bet on that | 00:48 |
| VDVsx | Anidel, yes | 00:48 |
| Anidel | or at least that's what I understood | 00:48 |
| Anidel | so.. if I am still on 42 and 51 comes out.. | 00:48 |
| Anidel | I'll see that only.. what'll happen? | 00:48 |
| jukey_ | maybe you will only see 44 then? | 00:49 |
| Anidel | hi Jukey :) | 00:49 |
| Anidel | I hope so :) | 00:49 |
| jukey_ | an other thing would be a flashable image of 51 for everybody | 00:50 |
| Anidel | may be they'll make clear to who has < 44 to flash upgrade to 51.. we'll see | 00:50 |
| jukey_ | are you still using 42? | 00:51 |
| Anidel | nope :) | 00:51 |
| Anidel | just wondering.. | 00:51 |
| jukey_ | lol | 00:51 |
| jukey_ | ah okay | 00:51 |
| Anidel | eheh is Ovi Store available to you ? | 00:51 |
| Anidel | it's not for me :( | 00:52 |
| jukey_ | yes | 00:52 |
| jukey_ | I downloaded the whole store this evening | 00:52 |
| jukey_ | ;) | 00:52 |
| Anidel | :p | 00:53 |
| Anidel | damn :) | 00:53 |
| jukey_ | I can't remember how life was before I got the snow globe :) | 00:53 |
| Anidel | :p stop :P | 00:53 |
| jukey_ | OK :) | 00:55 |
| jukey_ | have to sleep now | 00:55 |
| jukey_ | cu ;) | 00:55 |
| Anidel | good night :) c u | 00:56 |
| Anidel | and say hi to Tanja | 00:56 |
| jukey_ | I'll do :) greetings to Samantha too | 00:56 |
| jukey_ | ciao | 00:56 |
| Anidel | thanks :) | 00:56 |
| Anidel | ciao | 00:56 |
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| VDVsx | Anidel, did you tried store.ovi.mobi ? | 00:57 |
| Anidel | let's try that | 00:57 |
| Anidel | there it is :) | 00:58 |
| VDVsx | Anidel, friend advise don't download Angry birds game, is very addictive :p | 00:58 |
| Anidel | eheh | 00:59 |
| Anidel | will now .. had to reboot for the wifi bug | 00:59 |
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| GAN900 | Troubleshooting flashing issues is the worst. | 05:27 |
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| * andre__ wonders what to do with https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7827 | 16:06 | |
| povbot` | Bug 7827: Email accounts (seemingly) get connected automatically when not requested | 16:06 |
| jukey | not sure but is the "Online editing of email account will cause it to disconnect and will cancel any current operations. Continue anyway?" message not shown also in offline mode? | 16:10 |
| jukey | yes it is :) | 16:10 |
| andre__ | how weird | 16:15 |
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| timeless_mbp | jukey: well | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | those things suck in all sorts of depressing ways | 16:54 |
| timeless_mbp | making unrelated changes to MfE sync settings causes your active sync to be terminated :( | 16:54 |
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| andre__ | hmm. people claiming timezone changes without being able to provide proof... | 19:45 |
| anidel | I didn't encounter that at all | 19:46 |
| andre__ | unrelated, but I'm surprised that Maemo5 does not use tzdata but instead an ancient glibc. garrrr | 19:47 |
| anidel | file a bug :) it'll be fixed in Maemo 6 :P | 19:47 |
| andre__ | anidel, heh. :-/ yeah, currently I am afraid that this will happen, actually | 19:48 |
| anidel | why ? | 19:49 |
| andre__ | something like "Fixed in Harmattan" as we had it for "Fixed in Fremantle". | 19:49 |
| andre__ | as written, "afraid". | 19:49 |
| jebba | my timezone is still screwed. So when i restore data and such all my calendar entries get bumped around an hour. Major hassle. (filed bug about argentina / Buenos aires). | 19:50 |
| jebba | i wish we didnt have to wait for these huge code drops to get updates. | 19:50 |
| anidel | ah afraid of the fixed in harmattan not about the bug being reported.. sorry | 19:50 |
| andre__ | jebba, PR1.2 | 19:50 |
| jebba | ug, not even pr1.1? | 19:50 |
| anidel | this reminds me to file a bug against Camera app... some settings are not kept when switching modes and often I get flash to flash even when told not to | 19:51 |
| jebba | well, i guess not then ;) i guess i'll just have to get around to kludging it locally | 19:52 |
| andre__ | jebba, I also wonder sometimes... probably a question of human ressources, made by management... just guessing though :-/ | 19:53 |
| jebba | better to do many small updates than one big bomb of code.... | 19:54 |
| jebba | andre__: timeless mentioned in the bug it's fixed in glibc 2.5.1-1eglibc22+0m5. Is that not pr1.1? https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6481 | 19:55 |
| povbot` | Bug 6481: Libtimes: Buenos Aires, Argentina time off by 1 hour | 19:55 |
| andre__ | don't know, don't have a device around running PR1.1 | 19:56 |
| andre__ | I can only offer master (to become PR1.2) and a device running PR1.0.1 :-P | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | i have 1.1 | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | or rather 51-1 | 19:56 |
| timeless_mbp | but i don't know how to check | 19:57 |
| andre__ | dpkg -l glibc ? :-P | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | as there doesn't seem to be a glibc package installed on my device | 19:57 |
| andre__ | uh | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | tried that =b | 19:57 |
| anidel | has releasing pr1.1 beta to selected testers, helped? | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | un glibc-2..5.1-1eglibc <none> | 19:57 |
| andre__ | libc6 maybe? | 19:57 |
| timeless_mbp | anidel: i'd say 'no' | 19:57 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, why is that? | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | unless it gave management confidence that things weren't "too bad to ship" | 19:58 |
| jebba | heh, timeless_mbp, it was you that said it was fixed! ;) | 19:58 |
| andre__ | libc6 instead of glibc. | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | libc6 2.5.1-1eglibc20+0m5 | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | = not fixed | 19:58 |
| jebba | fuck | 19:58 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: i didn't specify when it would be fixed for end users | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | i certainly didn't resolve the bug :) | 19:59 |
| jebba | bummer. Both Fedora and Debian had it fixed in less than two weeks. | 19:59 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, they didn't ship the PR1.1 yet :) so no confidence | 19:59 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: nokia rarely fixes something in less than 6 months | 20:00 |
| andre__ | anidel, I don't expect big changes for PR1.1 anymore. actually, you could maybe even drop the "big" | 20:00 |
| anidel | andre__, I suppose it'll be released soon... | 20:00 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah | 20:00 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: i think in this next battle they are going to have to learn how to speed things up... 6 months is becoming an eternity now. | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | at this point we're fairly certain 51-1 will ship as is | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | there might hypothetically be a minor release on top of that | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | as 44-1 was on top of 42-11 | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | or there might not | 20:01 |
| andre__ | anidel, I cross fingers for the same... because getting reports for a software version from weeks ago creates more and more overhead | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | management is mercurial | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | indeed | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm tired of bugs from 42/44 | 20:01 |
| andre__ | and I waste time. | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | 51 is bad enough | 20:01 |
| timeless_mbp | e.g the lsof bug | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | which is gone in 53 | 20:02 |
| jebba | it *could* be so fast moving. apt-get upgrade, done. | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | have you read tmo? | 20:02 |
| anidel | andre__, indeed I was puzzled to why they gave us this PR1.1 when they knew fixes for related bug reports would be fixed in PR1.2 at least | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | have you considered the class of user the n900 has? | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | it's roughly "idiots" | 20:02 |
| jebba | they are still follwing some old process.... time to upgrade *them* | 20:02 |
| jebba | (or boot them) | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | offering apt-get update or apt-get upgrade to them | 20:02 |
| andre__ | anidel, branching policies... | 20:02 |
| timeless_mbp | is incredibly dangerous | 20:02 |
| anidel | andre__, get that, but then what's the point :) | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | anidel: and don't say "oh, it's ok, the users won't do that" | 20:03 |
| jebba | timeless_mbp: well, via HAM | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | our users will follow any instructions written in any blog anywhere | 20:03 |
| timeless_mbp | c.f. redpill, etc | 20:03 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, seen many that did | 20:03 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, yeah a friend of mine who barely knows Windows was following a blog about that just to install ScummVM! | 20:03 |
| jebba | they're just experimenting. I dont see any problem with that, they'll just have to sort it out. | 20:03 |
| anidel | red pill for scummvm that's in -devel :( | 20:04 |
| jebba | seems HAM could apt-get upgrade for them easily enough. | 20:04 |
| timeless_mbp | jebba: given that bricking your device is always a possibility | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | and given how upset users get | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | even when it's their fault | 20:05 |
| anidel | but well, I for one am quite happy with what I have now | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | oh brother | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | i forgot to yell at the cable tv assholes | 20:05 |
| timeless_mbp | (see, i can be a livid end user too) | 20:05 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, but people get over that easily.. they know it's risky and they accept the conseguences | 20:06 |
| anidel | don't think they're gonna blame Nokia for that brick | 20:06 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, what about those guys ? | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | oh, they told me to buy a new cable wire and rewire my apartment | 20:06 |
| timeless_mbp | claiming that'd fix my mpeg square problems | 20:06 |
| anidel | timeless_mbp, cool guys.. did you follow the hint? :) | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | yes | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and it didn't fix my problems | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | but i have to yell at them during business hours | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | and they're finns | 20:07 |
| anidel | but you now know it's not that and still got brand new cables and rewiring | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | they're impervious to yelling | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | they also refuse to allow me to speak to a manager | 20:07 |
| timeless_mbp | .... | 20:07 |
| anidel | kidding :P | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | the funny thing is | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | you don't have to let the customer speak to a manager | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | you can just pass them to a colleague | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | the customer can't know the difference | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | but by offering the customer a concession, you make the customer happy | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | finns can't even get basics right. | 20:08 |
| anidel | and a fool.. a happy fool | 20:08 |
| timeless_mbp | a happy fool is still happy | 20:09 |
| anidel | anyway.. gotta run from the office.. talk to you later from home.. bye | 20:09 |
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| jebba | timeless_mbp: there's been *tons* of bricks already. Some due to users doing whatever with -devel (which is really an outcome of poor nokia design depending upon /opt) and many due to buggy software, which would have been nice to have updated the day they had a solution. Now it's been a few weeks at least. Just push one .deb per day instead of 100 all on one day or wahtever. | 20:09 |
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| jebba | why isn't https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6481 even assigned to anyone? | 20:40 |
| povbot` | Bug 6481: Buenos Aires, Argentina time off by 1 hour | 20:40 |
| andre__ | jebba, Assignee does not make much sense in bugs.maemo.org actually | 20:48 |
| timeless_mbp | well, it doesn't make sense for anything where primary work is done in another bug tracker | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | in bugs.maemo.org for 'extras' it should make sense :) | 21:12 |
| timeless_mbp | and in the browser product, we try to vaguely use it | 21:13 |
| andre__ | anybody having a Windows machine around who can tell me the timezone for Georgia/Tbilisi? :-P | 21:40 |
| frals | utc+0400 | 21:40 |
| frals | not sure its georgia/tbilisi, but its tbilisi at least ;) | 21:41 |
| andre__ | frals, harhar, okay... which windows system is this? | 21:41 |
| andre__ | because I love wasting time on https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7813 :-P | 21:41 |
| povbot` | Bug 7813: Incorrect TimeZone info for Tbilisi, Georgia | 21:41 |
| frals | win7 | 21:41 |
| andre__ | can I trick you into commenting there? I think that guy doesn't believe me anymore anyway :-P | 21:42 |
| * andre__ plans moving to his own timezone | 21:42 | |
| frals | sure | 21:42 |
| andre__ | thanks a lot! | 21:42 |
| frals | want screen attached as well? | 21:45 |
| andre__ | hehe, no :) | 21:46 |
| frals | oki :) | 21:47 |
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| Anidel | hi | 22:51 |
| jebba | andre__: a bit late, but this site is good: http://www.timeanddate.com/ | 23:03 |
| andre__ | jebba, yupp, mentioned it already in the bug report :) | 23:05 |
| frals | uh, nice quadruple post in that bug now :P | 23:13 |
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