| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: aegis looks for openmode bit and just uses different signing key if your on openmode vs normal mode. Both modes have aegis by default. | 00:00 |
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| rigow | jonni, good suggestions :) I have tried apt-get -f install and got a clean response (saying 695 updates waiting) | 00:00 |
| rigow | in order to get there I had to discard the lock file for dpkg | 00:00 |
| jonni | rigow: ah if there is lock for dpkg, you just need to do killall pkgmgrd; and then apt-get upgrade | 00:01 |
| marsje | jonni: what does osa --discover do? | 00:02 |
| jonni | marsje: its almost like apt-get update, but it also finds ssu updates, or something ;) | 00:03 |
| jonni | apt-get update usually does call osa --discover | 00:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: right, what i mean is that messing with things from open mode would break the aegis hashes/signatures and lead to nothing useful | 00:04 |
| marsje | jonni: I will try it | 00:04 |
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| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: yep, if you do any crusial operation like install deb package, it signs the refhashlist file with openmode key, and if you reflash normal kernel back to device, boot will malf because refhashlist is not signed with normal mode key | 00:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: right...so entering open mode when booted from a signed kernel doesn't make a lot of sense | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's a known effect and several times announced in BOLD that messing with rootfs in openmode will cause MALF in later secure mode | 00:05 |
| rigow | osa --discover hangs | 00:06 |
| jonni | rigow: and you rebooted the device before running osa --discover? | 00:06 |
| kkito | osa --discover returns Fatal error: Invalid fields in JSON | 00:06 |
| rigow | sure | 00:06 |
| jonni | rigow: second trick is to apt-get install strace; and then strace osa --discover: and look strace output where osa fails | 00:07 |
| marsje | anyone recognizes this? | 00:07 |
| marsje | Err http://sheerwater.co.nz harmattan Release.gpg Could not connect to sheerwater.co.nz:80 (219.88.136.55). - connect (110: Connection timed out) | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: AIUI "entering openmode from secure signed kernel" is causing absolutely same state of system as booting an unsigned kernel | 00:07 |
| rigow | then started SDK, ssh'ed into phone, devel-su, apt-get clean (worked), apt-get update with a lot of errors | 00:07 |
| rigow | then osa --discover hangs | 00:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: right...what vexes me is that if you boot an unsigned kernel, touch nothing, and reboot, it keeps you in open mode | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | err wut? | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | no way | 00:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | I RAMloaded openmode kernel, rebooted and got back to all "sane" secure system | 00:09 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: itsnotabigtruck: actually nope, if you flasher -b signed kernel, you will still be in normal mode (but only if your signed kernel marches the certsw version), if you boot with pr1.0 signed kernel to pr1.1 certsw you will fail | 00:09 |
| jonni | fail = openmode | 00:09 |
| rigow | open("/var/lib/ovi-adapter/known-products", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC|O_LARGEFILE|O_CLOEXEC, 0666) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) | 00:09 |
| rigow | open("/proc/stat", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 7 | 00:09 |
| rigow | read(7, "cpu 8402 1675 3630 48262 2224 8"..., 8192) = 1098 | 00:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, you lost me | 00:09 |
| rigow | close(7) = 0 | 00:09 |
| rigow | fstat64(2, {st_mode=S_IFCHR|0620, st_rdev=makedev(136, 0), ...}) = 0 | 00:10 |
| jonni | so signed kernels only works per PR release | 00:10 |
| rigow | write(2, "Fatal error: Unable to open data"..., 117Fatal error: Unable to open database file for reading | 00:10 |
| rigow | Fatal shutdown error: Unable to open database file for writing | 00:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, treat "signed" as "matches sw cert" | 00:10 |
| rigow | write(6, "@", 1) = 1 | 00:10 |
| rigow | close(6) = 0 | 00:10 |
| rigow | close(5) = 0 | 00:10 |
| rigow | rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {SIG_DFL, [], SA_NOCLDSTOP|0x4000000}, {0x3ad48964, [], SA_NOCLDSTOP|0x4000000}, 8) = 0 | 00:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, reboot -u seems to power off the phone, rather than flash the staged kernel | 00:10 |
| rigow | exit_group(7) = ? | 00:10 |
| rigow | not really! NO! a dirt cheap permission problem? | 00:10 |
| jonni | rigow: I had the same kind of strace problems earlier today, but I solved it. are you running your commands as user or root? | 00:11 |
| rigow | yes | 00:12 |
| rigow | whoami -> root | 00:12 |
| kkito | I changed the user password, maybe thats the problem with the upgrade :? | 00:12 |
| jonni | ah, you might need to run them as user, atleast you could try: su - user | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, finally got it to flash the kernel, i think | 00:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and no disclaimer so far, so i think that may have done it | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | on aegis, root has NO SPECIAL privileges | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | so user can strace/kill/whatever user processes. Root mustn't | 00:14 |
| rigow | same error if I run strace osa --discover | 00:14 |
| rigow | jonni, how did you solve the issue? | 00:15 |
| jonni | ps aux|grep osa | 00:15 |
| jonni | if you have any instanses running you need to kill them all | 00:15 |
| rigow | as user or root? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | as owner of process | 00:15 |
| jonni | ps aux|grep pkgmgr; same thing kill | 00:15 |
| rigow | none running | 00:16 |
| rigow | I made the ps commands as user | 00:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: are you sure that reflashing the kernel resets the mode? | 00:16 |
| rigow | no osa or pkgmgr running | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | if the process gets new privileges and/or user on starting it, your strace <process> will probably fail | 00:17 |
| jonni | mostly I just killed the stalling processes, removed /var/run/osa.pid, then either used apt-get update, and checkec updates from the application manager UI refresh | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: dang, there's nothing to reset | 00:17 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: well atleast I've moved from open openmode pr1.1 back to stock normal pr1.1, so I'm quite sure | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | mode is a RAM state | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: no, mode is a bootloader configuration state | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | not a bit flipped in flash | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | no | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the entireproblem is that i put my phone into open mode without flashing anything | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if it wasn't like that before, it is with PR1.2's nolo | 00:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so the question is, what has to be done in order to flip that bit back | 00:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is NO SUCH bit | 00:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and in the absence of a proper pr1.2 image, demolishing everything and reflashing isn't an option | 00:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | needs to be more targeted than that | 00:19 |
| jonni | in pr1.1 rescue kernel&initrd also flipped to open mode mode, and when you rebooted back to normal kernel, you got back into normal mode | 00:19 |
| rigow | no osa.pid | 00:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: that doesn't seem to be the case on pr1.2 | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: the only "bit" that's sticky is the root cert | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | would reflashing the sw cert work? | 00:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but i think the kernel updater also does the sw cert | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | if you messed that up, you'll never again go back to "normal mode" | 00:20 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: well I havent had time to test in pr1.2 yet, I'll test it next week when Im back from winter holidays | 00:20 |
| jonni | hmm, actually I have my spare N9 with me, so if I have spare time this week, I might test pr1.2 openmode... | 00:21 |
| marsje | how long is "osa --discover" supposed to take? | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | several Nokians reported they had to "send in" their HARM devices after messing with certs | 00:21 |
| jonni | marsje: few seconds | 00:22 |
| marsje | jonni: then it hangs | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | not even they can restore a nuked root cert | 00:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: well, i'm pretty sure that hasn't been touched | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | bbl | 00:23 |
| rigow | marsje, I think we have exactly the same issue | 00:23 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: just out of curiosity, how do you know that you are on open mode? big warning on every boot? | 00:23 |
| rigow | if you install strace, I bet the thing chokes on the permission to /var/lib/ovi-adapter/known-products | 00:24 |
| marsje | rigow: I removed the extra repositories I aded to /etc/apt/sources.d/ and now try again | 00:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yup, and accli -I | 00:24 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: and you havent flashed any kernels, just booted rescue once? | 00:25 |
| jonni | and uname -a gives? | 00:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Linux RM696 2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 #1 PREEMPT Thu Dec 22 14:43:29 EET 2011 armv7l GNU/Linux | 00:26 |
| rigow | ok, /var/lib/known-products is owned by user osa group osa | 00:30 |
| rigow | and is 640 | 00:30 |
| rigow | na, its 440 | 00:30 |
| jonni | ah yes thats the right timestamp for the official kernel... I have a bit different version of 2.6.32.48-dfl61-20115101 compiled in my sb, maybe I'll test in there if it goes to open mode permanently. | 00:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and all this is because i wanted to take precautions against something exactly like this :( | 00:30 |
| jonni | rigow: after you killed all the stalling instances, you should just go to settings-applications-manageapps-updates and press the update button. | 00:31 |
| jonni | update-button -> refresh button even | 00:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, time to try flashing the sw certificate and kernel using flasher | 00:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ha | 00:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, i know why nss wasn't working | 00:36 |
| rigow | did that, now downloading truckloads of data | 00:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | can someone give me black n9 global code? | 00:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | product code i mean | 00:37 |
| marsje | wow, my update is at 8%! | 00:38 |
| rigow | 059K3S0 | 00:38 |
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| rigow | according to navifirm | 00:38 |
| jonni | 64gb and 16gb have different codes | 00:38 |
| rigow | this is for the 64GB | 00:39 |
| jonni | my black 64gb black has diffrent code than rigows so I quess there is regional differences too | 00:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, doing the kernel using flasher didn't help anything | 00:40 |
| rigow | jonni, this was the one for the Global 64GB | 00:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | rigow black global? 001? | 00:40 |
| rigow | I don't know what mine has, I assume the German 64GB black code | 00:40 |
| jonni | ah roger, I guess my version is finland/europe 001 | 00:40 |
| kkito | marsje, how did you fix the "update interrupted" issue? | 00:41 |
| kkito | how to retrieve the product code? | 00:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | jonni black 64gb? | 00:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | can you tell for sure and provide code? | 00:41 |
| rigow | there are many of those, depends on what country version you want | 00:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | the one with less changes and less cutoffs =) | 00:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon, what code you have and version and how happy you are ? =) | 00:44 |
| rigow | I have not experienced any cutoffs, my phone is of German origin | 00:44 |
| rigow | but I use the english interface | 00:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | 059K3S0: RM-696 64G GLOBAL BLACK SWAP - is this global as global or global as operator? | 00:45 |
| marsje | kkito: I removed all stuff from /etc/apt/sources.list.d/, did apt-get clean and apt-get update, and I disabled background connections (as I suspected the n9 was interrupting itself with checking mail/twitter/facebook/google) | 00:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | <rigow> is gloabl an operator? | 00:47 |
| rigow | it doesn't look like one in Navifirm, but I really can't tell | 00:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | 059J239: RM-696 NDT SINGAPORE BLACK 64GB - this what i have now | 00:48 |
| rigow | where do you get that from? | 00:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | from list | 00:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://mynokiablog.com/2011/10/03/nokia-n9-product-code-and-variants-shows-uk-ireland-model/ | 00:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | nice local mode show nokia's logo and local written on phone | 00:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think i succeeded to update it | 00:55 |
| rigow | mine blocked again | 00:55 |
| Jare | does anyone know what does the "support for videocalls" mean? An API for 3rd party apps? | 00:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think the qml camera now has front | 00:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | remember that product code is irrelevant | 00:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | variant code is what matters | 00:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's way more product codes than variant codes | 00:58 |
| rigow | Jare, I think you can now do videocalls in skype | 00:58 |
| rigow | marsje, what was left in your /etc/apt/sources.list.d ? | 00:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | and now i get software update services are unavilable now =) | 00:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | from nsu | 01:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what is "reboot -u" actually supposed to do | 01:00 |
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| Jare | rigow: well videocall support in gtalk and skype is still missing, so it must be something else then | 01:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1170417&postcount=44 - this code ia asctually defines area | 01:02 |
| jonni | Jare: where is the releasenote that would say videocall support? | 01:03 |
| Jare | jonni: iirc I saw it in the sw upgrade notes | 01:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: ok, cert-sw and kernel reflash didn't do anything | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | any ideas what could possibly reset this? | 01:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | only things left to try flashing are CMT, rootfs, NOLO, and i'm not confident any of those would fix anything | 01:07 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: lets see, I'm still flashing pr1.2 ro my CE device. I'll might have time to test custom kernels tomorrow on that. My current phone have special certs that allows custom kernels in normal mode so I cannot test in this device, since it never goes to open mode. :) | 01:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, r&d cert kinda screws up the whole test | 01:08 |
| jonni | its saying 40% already, so tomorrow it should be up and running | 01:08 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | any ideas at least, without testing? | 01:09 |
| * marsje 's N( says update is done, not rebooting | 01:09 | |
| marsje | n9 that is | 01:09 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: wait for .bin files to appear | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: ok, what's plan B then :p | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so wait, we got an official pr1.2 for N9 now? | 01:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: yup, it's the big news of the day | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and since you don't mind putting your phone into open mode, it's quite trivial to do so | 01:10 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: yep, ssu 1.2 came out today | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | what about source? | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | anybody already bitched about sending a DVD? | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | problem is that as far as i can tell you can't get back, data erasure or not :p | 01:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think javispedro already put in a source code request, but that was before the pr1.2 final release | 01:11 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: for me thats its not that big of a deal, since I have multiple N9's and I can even downgrade them if I want ;) | 01:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i still have a few tricks left up my sleeve but this is not what i wanted to spend the day on | 01:11 |
| jonni | (and I can cheat since I also have access to .bin files ;)) | 01:12 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: and you're also able to look at the NOLO changelog and see exactly how they messed this up | 01:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though i suppose that's classified | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: but I heard Nokia is buying the modules *I* build, from reprots from MW today :-) | 01:13 |
| jonni | lets see 1st if there is anything that is messed up, but I'll get back on you with that tomorrow | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's where *I* have access to .bin and src | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 01:13 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: good for your company :=) | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | dunno | 01:14 |
| rigow | hm, in case I have to flash, should I take EMMC_DACH.bin or OEM1-958_ARM.bin? | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | Ihonestly wonder ehat stuff they smoked that made them sell BB5 and now buy in knowhow from STE | 01:15 |
| marsje | rigow: I have aegis.ssu-keyring-001.list and osa.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d | 01:15 |
| * marsje has PR1.2 :) | 01:15 | |
| rigow | ok | 01:16 |
| rigow | thanks marsje | 01:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | what is sheerwater.co.nz ? | 01:16 |
| marsje | ZogG_laptop: do you have midnight commander? | 01:17 |
| marsje | ZogG_laptop: I was wondering the same before and it seems it's the repo for the midnight commander package | 01:17 |
| rigow | mine hangs again | 01:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | no i don't and it's down now =) | 01:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | or i have shortcuts though | 01:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | but why would it add repo i got it from ovi i think | 01:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | never added repo | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~seen javispedro | 01:19 |
| infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 30d 8h 24m 37s ago, saying: 'that just uses the operator logo bitmap I guess'. | 01:20 |
| marsje | ZogG_laptop: maybe the packages added it? anyway, I disabled it... | 01:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer feels concerned... :-/ | 01:20 | |
| rigow | Yay! 2% thanks marsje, removing the community repo did the trick | 01:21 |
| marsje | rigow: debian/ubuntu's installers do this automatically for you, but I guess nokia did not pay attention to this | 01:22 |
| marsje | I already have a feature request for PR1.3: why does the mailclient only show 4 emails on the screen even with no preview? what a waste of space | 01:24 |
| marsje | my S-E K810 shows more emails with a 320x240 screen | 01:25 |
| marsje | oh, I see the new font... even more wasted space... | 01:26 |
| ZogG_laptop | rigow what are those % ? | 01:27 |
| rigow | PR 1.2 update | 01:27 |
| marsje | ZogG_laptop: update installation progress | 01:27 |
| rigow | now 29% | 01:27 |
| marsje | much better than 0% | 01:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw anyone know what an ENOS image is? | 01:27 |
| marsje | ok, good thing about 1.2: the "all online" button works | 01:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 01:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have 005 in list so how this guy who changed product key updated? | 01:30 |
| marsje | the keyboard also seems bigger | 01:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer: still around? is erase-user-data normally required in order to revert open mode | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as that's just about the one thing i haven't tested yet | 01:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and it does revert some other things like device lock | 01:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | itsnotabigtruck: not afaik | 01:38 |
| * DocScrutinizer just tries to figure what's going to happen when a Nokia SSU update gets applied against an openmode system | 01:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer | might easily result in current-version key stored to BB5 being signed with the oipenmode-key or sth | 01:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you'd be thoroughly screwed regarding reverting to securemode | 01:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i'd imagine you just end up with the new firmware, still in open mode | 01:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though you'd be back to the unmodded kernel | 01:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN would still be on | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | you tried coldflashing? | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the next frontier | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | (NFC if there'S any such thing at all in HARM) | 01:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, also, the other scenario with the ssu flash is that you'd end up in secure mode in an unbootable state | 01:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok ay i added 001 repo | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but then booting that rescue kernel should be a surefire way to go back to open mode, heh | 01:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | how do i change mp-harmattan-005-pr to 001 ? | 01:46 |
| rigow | Yay 1.2 good night folks and have fun | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: it's tricky | 01:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah i know | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can do it, but don't do it unless you really know apt and can figure it out on your own | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, in theory you can do it | 01:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i didn't have to do it because i'm on 001 | 01:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | ssu does that somehow | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no, it doesn't | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SSU never changes variants | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why it doesn't have that problem | 01:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | cssu does | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ssu basically just does an apt upgrade | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which also triggers some flashing of stuff on the next boot | 01:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | gotta run | 01:47 |
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| ZogG_laptop | fuck it - worth to try | 01:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'll do it and then reflash with nsu | 01:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: did you succeed? | 03:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | be careful, you can't reflash PR1.2 with NSU | 03:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, you can't reflash PR1.1 001 variant even after installing the 001 packages | 03:12 |
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| beford | device is uptodate :/ (on 1.1) | 03:32 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck on my way as there conflicts with some 005 and 001 packages | 03:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | 20 more packages | 03:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: ok, what you need to do is find all 005 packages that are installed | 03:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and include them in a big list as | 03:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | apt-get install mp-harmattan-001-pr package1- package2- package3- package4- and so on | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need to do it as one giant operation | 04:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah but prefer not to delete all in once but only conflicting | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're going to fuck something up that way | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the 001-pr package *should* pull in all the 001 packages | 04:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | why? | 04:00 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah i know | 04:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because all the 00x packages are mutually exclusive | 04:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | dont see the point | 04:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, the 001 packages you're installing are pr1.2 packages | 04:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not pr1.1 packages | 04:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | ha hebrew package from one guy conflicts with official hebrew | 04:02 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw after reboot kernel flashed or i need to execute some flag with reboot? | 04:03 |
| ZogG_laptop | the problem i didnt back up =) | 04:05 |
| ZogG_laptop | rebooting | 04:10 |
| ZogG_laptop | lets see if it's bricked =) | 04:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | loading | 04:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, it turned on =) | 04:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: w00t | 04:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the command was reboot -u | 04:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though it seems to have some funky behavior for me | 04:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | devel-su has no reboot | 04:14 |
| ZogG_laptop | ha | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah it does, you just have to qualify it with /sbin if you're using the terminal | 04:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | version pr1.2 30.2012.07-1_pr_001 | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw is anyone aware of any way to examine the bootloader log | 04:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | do i need to do ? | 04:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i want to know why it's deciding to engage open mode | 04:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | it would flash kernel? | 04:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | what kernel should pr1.2 have? | 04:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | 32.48-dfl61-20115101? | 04:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | new font on feed sucks | 04:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the proper kernel, yeah | 04:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | this open mode trigger stuff is definitely new | 04:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm examining the new bootloader, it has some stuff about a "trusted bit" | 04:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that stuff is bad news :/ | 04:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | =\ | 04:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | e-yes, ^ do not update =) | 04:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it's OK if you don't mind being stuck in open mode | 04:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in my case i wasn't planning on doing open mode and got stuck by accident | 04:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 04:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | battery info is not showing all data now | 04:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh it does | 04:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | night | 04:47 |
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| Sazpaimon_ | why do so many laptops these days have glossy screen | 05:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | s | 05:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | I just got the laptop I ordered last week, 17 inch 1080p matte screen | 05:44 |
| Sazpaimon_ | its so good | 05:44 |
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| njsf | Hi all | 05:50 |
| njsf | Anybody did here did the PR 1.2 OTA update? | 05:51 |
| njsf | My _only_ problem is that fenix now does not launch at all | 05:51 |
| njsf | did an strace of /usr/bin/fenix and it seems there are some issues with dbus comunication: | 05:52 |
| njsf | recvmsg(9, {msg_name(0)=NULL, msg_iov(1)=[{"l\2\1\1\v\0\0\0\1\0\0\0=\0\0\0\6\1s\0\6\0\0\0:1.141\0\0"..., 2048}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC}, MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) = 262 | 05:52 |
| njsf | recvmsg(9, 0xae92e45c, MSG_CMSG_CLOEXEC) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable) | 05:52 |
| njsf | but it proceeds, so it may be ok... | 05:53 |
| njsf | a bit more ahead it fails to stat /etc/xdg/Trolltech.conf | 05:53 |
| njsf | and after some timeouts on fds it then exits | 05:53 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | be advised that this PR1.2 OTA update is playing with fire | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm already regretting pulling the trigger | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the actual update is cool, it's the distribution that's a problem - if anything goes wrong, you're completely hosed, and there's more ways for things to go wrong than ever | 06:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and for some reason certain figures at nokia think it's a good idea to sit on proper releases of firmware, and let everyone get owned with the SSU first | 06:09 |
| Richlv | http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=423 | 06:09 |
| Richlv | "It could show at least 1 persons name like "Steven Eflop or 2 other contacts". | 06:09 |
| Richlv | So I can ignore the call. :-)" | 06:09 |
| Richlv | :D | 06:09 |
| Richlv | best bugreport ever | 06:09 |
| Richlv | itsnotabigtruck, now you scared me. what would be the things to beware of when upgrading ? | 06:11 |
| Richlv | and yeah, releasing proper fw images so that reflashing would be possible would be very good... | 06:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Richlv: it turns out that there's a tainted bit stored on the flash | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | all sorts of things can cause that bit to be set | 06:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the old bootloader apparently ignored that bit, but the new bootloader puts you into open mode | 06:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the practical result of that is that various things you could do before (like booting into a "rescue kernel") will flip the bit | 06:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and because they haven't released an image, it can't be flipped back | 06:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not something that normal users will run into, but if you do run into it, it's a problem | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's the problem with most of these "security" measures in general | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | they provide no real security to either nokia or the user, they just backfire on people doing unusual things | 06:22 |
| Richlv | mm... so if i got this correctly, downgrading isn't an option, but 1.2 isn't available for download at all yet ? | 06:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | exactly | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | isn't it awesome :p | 06:23 |
| Richlv | i think it backfires on all users | 06:23 |
| Richlv | my device broke (possibly) because i updated it over a slow wifi | 06:23 |
| Richlv | and had to restart a few times | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | as for the update itself, yeah, there were a bunch of people reporting issues this morning | 06:23 |
| Richlv | i would be MIGHTY pissed off if there would be no downgrade & no new image | 06:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | due to there being no flasher images there's not much that can be done about it | 06:23 |
| Richlv | and then the fact that they don't really actually offer those images w/o some win-only software or somesuch | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's actually a web interface someone made to nokia's firmware backend | 06:24 |
| * Richlv sends some flour to seteven e | 06:24 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.btusers.com.ar/nan/nokia/ | 06:24 |
| Richlv | steven. | 06:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also admiral0 made a perl script that downloads the image | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though that website is nicer | 06:25 |
| Richlv | itsnotabigtruck, oh, neat. do you have a link to the script ? | 06:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not atm, just google it | 06:25 |
| Richlv | thanks | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also the ironic thing is that i got into this whole situation because i wanted to image my N9, to be able to recover in situations like this | 06:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it turns out it's a moot point because with this new taint bit you can't do restore the image anyway, if it works the way i think it does | 06:27 |
| Richlv | not even the same version ? | 06:27 |
| Richlv | found the thread about firmware downloading script : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81697 | 06:28 |
| Richlv | although the last comment on that thread... - "Definately user full when u r on linux ...." | 06:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 06:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Richlv: not even the same version, because the hash of the image itself matters | 06:30 |
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| mece | so I can't seem to install the app updates directly on N950. Is there a trick to it? | 08:04 |
| beford | I think there is no OTA for n950 atm | 08:05 |
| beford | you need to use the Oneclickflasher | 08:05 |
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| mardy | Sazpaimon_: hi! If you have questions with account plugins, feel free to ask me | 08:35 |
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| ieatlint | heh, only one of my n9s has the 1.2 update so far | 09:00 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | btw did anyone ever figure out what the extent of video call support is? | 09:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it seems like no one talked about it during the beta, and no one's found it in this version | 09:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | from the description of mp-harmattan-001-pr: Your Nokia N9 will get support for video calls, app folders on the home screen, new features for camera and gallery, and much more. | 09:09 |
| ArkanoiD- | Hmm, i see 9 updates on my n950 with n9 repository enabled, 3 of them failed (twitter, facebook and drive) | 09:09 |
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| Arkenoi | Hmm, i see 9 updates on my n950 with n9 repository enabled, 3 of them failed (twitter, facebook and drive) | 09:12 |
| Arkenoi | aegis rejecting ...foursquare-ov..:package foursquare-ov already installed from 'com.nokia.maemo' -- not replacing it from less trusted source 'com.nokia.maemo/ovi' -- wtf? | 09:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm...what? | 09:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | foursquare is a nokia package now? | 09:17 |
| Arkenoi | might be | 09:19 |
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| Arkenoi | btw, if i try to install twitter via apt-get it suggests to remove mp-harmattan-rm680-pr and a good half of the system | 09:20 |
| ieatlint | do it | 09:20 |
| ieatlint | then report back | 09:20 |
| Arkenoi | i don't think I am going to :-) | 09:21 |
| JackaLX | don't think I'd be that brave as to try that | 09:21 |
| Arkenoi | looks like twitter cannot be updated separately | 09:22 |
| Arkenoi | pr package depends on exact version | 09:22 |
| Arkenoi | so stupid | 09:23 |
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| mece | but you should be able to remove meta package without removing the actual packages.. | 09:25 |
| mece | hm | 09:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: same as it ever was | 09:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and btw main reason for CSSU | 09:28 |
| Arkenoi | mece: and it won't update automatically with OTA.. WAIT!!! It won't anyway! | 09:29 |
| Arkenoi | :-) | 09:29 |
| mece | exactly | 09:30 |
| mece | hm | 09:30 |
| mece | so can one do that? | 09:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | actually this kinky method of bundling everything into one metapkg is the admission that they don't feel like they were capable to manage dependencies and upward compatibility | 09:31 |
| mece | DocScrutinizer, ok but can we remove the pr meta package without destroying stuff? Does something actually depend on the meta package? | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, nuttin depends on MPR | 09:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | however a lot of pks get included in a weird way by MPR and might get autoremoved when you remove MPR | 09:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | also all updates are against MPR only | 09:33 |
| mece | but do they get autoremoved even if you dont apt-get autoremove? | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | usually not | 09:34 |
| mece | heh fun tiems. | 09:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | though obviously that depends on what nightmare the dependencies maintainer @ Nokia had the night before deployment of the FW pkg | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course you *can* make XY rdepend on MPR | 09:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | but I've not yet seen *this* | 09:36 |
| mece | apt-get remove mp-harmattan-rm680-pr gives me the following packages will no longer be needed [huge fuckin list] the following package will be removed mp-harmattan-rm680-pr | 09:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | again Nokia's weird notion of FOSS shows up: control everything and forcefeed it to user | 09:37 |
| Arkenoi | i think you need to install them all explicitly to avoid autoremoval then | 09:37 |
| mece | yep. | 09:38 |
| rigow | :) | 09:38 |
| mece | it's doable tho, I mean you get the list from the command :) | 09:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | "you're not supposed to update single pkg, WE (=Nokia) will do that for you with next PR release" | 09:38 |
| rigow | DocScrutinizer, they are learning, slowly learning :) | 09:38 |
| rigow | AND they are concerned aboot breaking the user experience as they have to compete with the absolutely controlled Apple platform | 09:39 |
| Arkenoi | breaking linux so badly it turns into "firmware" which needs to be "flashed" for every trivial upgrade is damn stupid | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 09:39 |
| rigow | with a windows flasher only please | 09:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | YEAH | 09:40 |
| rigow | :) | 09:40 |
| rigow | but they already lost, you have ssh access | 09:40 |
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| Arkenoi | ah, so merge bug that does not let you to have sensible contact list, self-disconnecting 3G, randomly dying subsystems including phone and SMS do NOT break user experience and ability to update smoothly does. ok, ok. | 09:41 |
| jonni | heh, my CE devices ssu didnt update kernel on 1st try... had to manually put it to upgrade mode from commandline, before it updated it :) | 09:41 |
| jonni | but now it seems to have right kernel with pr1.2 | 09:41 |
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| rigow | this is like trying to hold water by putting ten fingers in strainer | 09:42 |
| rigow | Arkenoi, if it would be KDE or ubuntu, I would mark it solved .. :) | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, AIUI there's always been that schizophrenia in Nokia, between true devels that would like to deploy a decent *nix system and even hate aegis, and the product damagers that want a "iPhone, just better and cheaper (for them)" | 09:43 |
| rigow | sorry, resolved | 09:43 |
| Termana | ~update | 09:44 |
| infobot | from memory, update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 09:44 |
| jonni | well Im happily using aegis in both open mode and normal mode, aegis is pretty nice (if you manage to relax it's policy rules a bit). | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAH | 09:45 |
| rdnzl | is there a way to download n9 firmware without using navifirm? | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | aegis *might* be bearable and maybe even useful to some extent, if and only if **user got a root cert at his discretion** and **there were decent manpages** | 09:46 |
| jonni | rdnzl: by http if you know the url | 09:46 |
| rdnzl | jonni: yea, seems i cannot find proper url | 09:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | another clusterfuck invented by Nokia: dependency on navifirm | 09:47 |
| jonni | DocScrutinizer: well thats what I mean by relaxed rules, I've installed myself custom root cert that allows me to sign as com.nokia.maemo for me personal packages ;-) | 09:47 |
| JackaLX | rdnzl: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81697 although PR1.2 is not available from Navifirm yet (last I looked) | 09:47 |
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| jonni | yes you can only find PR1.1 flash files for a while | 09:48 |
| Termana | Is the N950 getting the final PR 1.2 or being left on the beta version? | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is about as silly err stupid a update deployment concept as it possibly might get | 09:49 |
| jonni | Termana: N950 always only get betas | 09:49 |
| rdnzl | 1.1 is all i want - the 1.2 ota f**cked up my phone badly - i cannot even install other things now | 09:49 |
| matrixx | nice, snooze and stop buttons are now further from each other in alarm app :) | 09:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | see what I mean^^^ | 09:49 |
| jonni | rdnzl: have you tried: devel-su; reboot -u; | 09:50 |
| JackaLX | rdnzl: erm, you can't go backwards in versions when flashing | 09:50 |
| qronic | jonni, could you tell how you upgraded kernel? I've got PR1.2 installed, but kernel is PR1.1's | 09:50 |
| jonni | rdnzl: for me that fixed the osa f*ckup and after reboot -u install works again | 09:50 |
| jonni | qronic: devel-su; /sbin/reboot -u | 09:50 |
| rdnzl | i'm still on 1.1 as it seems - i have the 0% install abort symptom | 09:51 |
| jonni | qronic: that will get device in upgrade more and it flashes the staged pr1.2 kernel into your device | 09:51 |
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| jonni | qronic: I had the same problem this morning that filesystem was pr1.2 but kernel still was pr1.1, with reboot -u it got fixed | 09:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | is there at very least a proper changelog for kernel? | 09:53 |
| rdnzl | shame i cannot even re-install dev-mode/sdk - no ssh, no terminal :( | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | see what I mean^^^ | 09:53 |
| jonni | rdnzl: yep if you didnt have developer mode installed before ssu, then your screwed | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | no flash-image - no fun | 09:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia really knows how to fsck users | 09:54 |
| * RST38h moos and inquires if the official PR1.2 for N950 is out | 09:54 | |
| rigow | DocScrutinizer, they are not dependend on navifirm if the only thing it does is masking http requests :) | 09:54 |
| rigow | then it is just a matter of interface | 09:54 |
| jonni | rdnzl: but if you say re-install dev-mode then it would indicate that you had dev mode before update... | 09:54 |
| qronic | jonni, you've made my day! thanks you!! | 09:54 |
| qronic | s/thanks/thank/ | 09:54 |
| infobot | qronic meant: jonni, you've made my day! thank you!! | 09:54 |
| rigow | and I know some people in Nokia that are capable to install an apache server, I think :) | 09:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | rigow: sure, but what'S the rationale for hiding files on that nokia server behind URLs like adxjkhasg lv LJGV HGDI LFZWL GI FUZWL wF LGSZ A HJSHJAKJSH VS | 09:55 |
| rigow | ohhh, I can top you! In W3C, everything is in datespace | 09:55 |
| rigow | harmattan would be 2006/04/23/harmattan | 09:56 |
| rdnzl | jonni: i had dev-mode, yes - BUT sshd was gone at some point - so i decided to reinstall dev-mode and now i have nothing :) | 09:56 |
| jonni | rationale is that end users are not supposed to flash them themselves as usually they pick wrong version by mistake or by purpose and brick their devices. | 09:56 |
| rigow | only because this happened to be the first date somebody created a first file concerning that topic | 09:56 |
| rigow | and no interface to find that ;) | 09:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: now whose fault is that? ;-) | 09:57 |
| jonni | rdnzl: yep, that is a pain, usually after a ssu, if installer complains anything, you should not reinstall anything, since that will break things, only way to fix is to reboot -u and only do reinstalls after that one | 09:57 |
| rigow | other than cvs by the W3C natives and "find -name" | 09:58 |
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| jonni | first thing after ssu, I did uname -a, and noticed that kernel still is the old one, so I did reboot -u and then again uname -a to see that kernel really is pr1.2 kernel | 09:58 |
| rdnzl | ok. too late now. can i flash 1.1 over or am i completely borked? | 09:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | the latter | 09:59 |
| rdnzl | hm | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least more than #1 | 10:00 |
| jonni | rdnzl: that depends, if it managed to flash 1.2 swcert you cannot downgrade, but if it didnt even flash pr1.2 rootfs then you can flash 1.1 back | 10:00 |
| jonni | if you managed to flash pr1.2 rootfs, then most likely you have to just wait intill 1.2 flash images comes to that 3rd party sw | 10:00 |
| * DocScrutinizer ponders to market a hw-flasher for BB5 NAND | 10:01 | |
| jonni | or take device to nokia care | 10:01 |
| rigow | jonni, can't you just iron over if something went terribly wrong, like for a laptop? | 10:01 |
| rdnzl | ok. so its worth a try | 10:01 |
| jonni | rigow: well you can if you would have access to internal tools, but as an end user you cannot | 10:01 |
| qronic | what's the purpose of cmtImage-9.2.2011.50? is it for bootloader? | 10:02 |
| rigow | DocScrutinizer, why don't you create a linux-flasher with img integrated and sell that? | 10:02 |
| rigow | no, you can't do that, you would get too rich ;) | 10:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | rigow: thanks to Nokia product damagers' eternal wisdom you're not allowed to "iron over" | 10:02 |
| jonni | you can just make 2 line shellscript for linux that has the flasher and image :) | 10:02 |
| rigow | naaahhh | 10:02 |
| rigow | jonni, that will make you happy, but not rich. You need a 10MB KDE GUI for your shell script! | 10:03 |
| jonni | well your not allowed to iron over iphone, ps3, wii, xbox360 etc, so its not that new thing that downgrade is not allowed. | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | qronic: cmt == modem | 10:03 |
| * Arkenoi does not own any of those | 10:04 | |
| qronic | DocScrutinizer, thanks | 10:04 |
| rigow | so if I bricked my phone, I go back to Nokia and what do they do? | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. this is the culprit why you can't downgrade | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | rigow: they sacrifice a hamster, then plug it to their phoenix flasher and do a complete reflash | 10:05 |
| gabriel9 | XD | 10:05 |
| JackaLX | rigow: probably try to sell you a lumia :-P | 10:05 |
| gabriel9 | not a hamster | 10:05 |
| gabriel9 | they did nothing wrong | 10:05 |
| rigow | JackaLX, can't you flash Meego on a lumia? I heard it is the same hardware | 10:06 |
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| JackaLX | rigow: don't know. | 10:06 |
| rigow | so back to the days of installing linux on laptops by discarding windows? :) | 10:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonni: it's however A DAMN NEW thing that Nokia NITs try to be as bad as Apple | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | rigow: not at all same hw | 10:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | same (or similar) case | 10:08 |
| JackaLX | doesn't lumia have an extra hw button somewhere? | 10:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, and a different SoC (minor detail) | 10:08 |
| rigow | and nobody has done an image to do a complete flash of the lumia | 10:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll not want to hold your breath for that | 10:10 |
| rigow | sounds like a good challenge for some of the bored kiddies | 10:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd bet hooker is tivoized to the last gate on SoC | 10:11 |
| mece | ok... I wonder if this will work.... | 10:11 |
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| mece | apt-get install [all packages in mp-harmattan-rm680-pr] | 10:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw jonni - you claimed NOLO been like "enter openmode when loading unsigned kernel" since very first version. I disagree | 10:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | IIRC there's been a major problem with exactly this, in firat N950 NOLOs | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | first* | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's been supposed to behave like that, but in fact didn't | 10:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | AFAIK | 10:14 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC that was fixed in the first updated OCF | 10:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 10:15 |
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| DocScrutinizer | after I bitched the shit out of each and every channel about it ;-P | 10:15 |
| xmlich02_ | i am trying to update my n9, I think there is an systematic problem. I have already tried to do factory reset, but without result | 10:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | YAY, fun times these days | 10:16 |
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| rantom | Dropbox-account in PR1.2 is for writing only, not for reading? Meaning that one can't sync existing contents from Dropbox to the N9 with that account? | 10:17 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why nobody here feels abused by Nokia, when they deploy a flaky SSU and rely on IRC and other community chan for 1st level helpdesk | 10:17 | |
| mece | 129 packages to be upgraded, 1 removed, 45 not upgraded | 10:17 |
| Arkenoi | quite strange, messaging application *suddenly* stopped looking up for text (not numerics) when finding appropriate contact card for incoming message | 10:17 |
| Arkenoi | for SMS | 10:18 |
| qronic | just seen a report that pr1.2 is in navifirm already | 10:18 |
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| Arkenoi | if i get a message from non-numeric origin, it never looks up now :-( | 10:18 |
| TheBootroo | oh, hai ! | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | whatever, I have to run | 10:19 |
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| arcean | mece: remove mp-harmattan-rm680-pr and then run apt-get --simulate upgrade | 10:23 |
| mece | what would that do? | 10:23 |
| mece | uh.. done :) | 10:24 |
| arcean | mece: apt-get upgrade upgraded for me c.a. 170 packages | 10:24 |
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| rigow | xmlich02_ does it hang after having downloaded the update? | 10:24 |
| rdnzl | how do i translate naviperl's output into product code? is 'RM-696 NDT AUSTRIA BLACK 64GB' ok for 059j1v4? | 10:24 |
| mece | I guess I should reboot... | 10:24 |
| dm8tbr | naviperl? someone reimplemented navifirm in perl? :D | 10:25 |
| rigow | LOL at DocScrutinizer, you should have seen the responses from Nokia support (probably located in Kongo) | 10:25 |
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| jreznik | heh, seems like update deleted all my alarms :) but I'll make the morning meeting :) | 10:25 |
| rdnzl | dm8tbr: https://gist.github.com/1636192 | 10:25 |
| mece | rebooting.... | 10:26 |
| dm8tbr | rdnzl: neat :D | 10:26 |
| rdnzl | hm. now i have 5 choices og .bin/.vpl/.dcp - which do i need? darn mess | 10:27 |
| TheBootroo | still no update for my N9 Black 64GB european (sw) | 10:27 |
| mece | hm | 10:27 |
| mece | did you try apt? | 10:27 |
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| rigow | don't | 10:27 |
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| xmlich02_ | rigow, it does not download the update | 10:30 |
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| mece | ok I think I've now got PR1.2 final packages... | 10:30 |
| mece | yesss twitter fast scroll is finally there :) | 10:30 |
| xmlich02_ | in the middle of it switches to airplane mode | 10:30 |
| rigow | huh? | 10:30 |
| xmlich02_ | i can provide access to ssh console | 10:30 |
| mece | so that thing I did worked fine and nothing is scheduled for autoremoval | 10:30 |
| arcean | mece: at least for now nothing is scheduled :P | 10:31 |
| mece | hehe :) | 10:31 |
| mece | well | 10:31 |
| rigow | have you tried to reboot and do osa --discover? | 10:31 |
| mece | what does that do? | 10:31 |
| arcean | I'm wondering if the Nokia Store app is still working fine | 10:31 |
| rigow | I learned yesterday, that this looks for upgrades | 10:32 |
| mece | I'll try | 10:32 |
| xmlich02_ | but i am currently on meeting, so i can prepare the tunnel in one hour | 10:32 |
| mece | checking ovi store.. | 10:32 |
| arcean | mece: k, I'm in work now | 10:32 |
| mece | ok ovi store works fine. At least for installing free apps. | 10:34 |
| arcean | mece: thx for info :) | 10:34 |
| mece | np. | 10:35 |
| jreznik | xmlich02_: it offered switch to airplan mode, I just said no and it finished correctly | 10:35 |
| jreznik | phako: ping, I did a quick try tomorrow morning - I can't list any images/music on latest ps3 fw, I can list movies (I'll try to get dump today in the evening) | 10:37 |
| phako | jreznik: you are aware that the PS3 only shows the respective media type? | 10:38 |
| phako | i.e. when browsing for videos it'll only show videos? | 10:38 |
| rigow | xmlich02_, no I won't ssh into your phone to fix or mess whatever | 10:39 |
| jreznik | phako: while browsing videos - it shows list o videos, but not for images and music category | 10:39 |
| phako | jreznik: ok, just wanted to make sure | 10:39 |
| jreznik | I was in hurry in the morning, so it's all for now | 10:40 |
| xmlich02_ | what should "osa --discover" exactly do? | 10:42 |
| rigow | discover the update | 10:44 |
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| rigow | mine was downloading everything, but not updating | 10:45 |
| rigow | so I had to kill all osa and pkgmgr | 10:45 |
| phako | jreznik: do you have shell access on that device? | 10:45 |
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| rigow | revert /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to the original state | 10:46 |
| rigow | and then it worked, but it took a long time (40min) and the first 5 min it will just stay at 0% | 10:46 |
| jreznik | phako: yep (if you're talking about n9/n950, not ps3 :) | 10:47 |
| phako | jreznik: yep | 10:47 |
| decibyte | rigow: "revert". how do i know what files should be there, containnig what? | 10:47 |
| amppa | i wonder if the old version of nokia pure font is available | 10:52 |
| amppa | and legal to include with an application | 10:52 |
| amppa | that would save me from doing rather dirty hacks to keep layouts nice on PR 1.2 as well as on the older ones | 10:53 |
| phako | jreznik: do you have a file called /home/user/.local/share/rygel/dlna_upgrade_done.stamp ? | 10:57 |
| jreznik | phako: mtg in 3 minutes... later | 10:58 |
| phako | jreznik: sure, np | 10:58 |
| jreznik | thx | 10:59 |
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| rigow | decibyte, there should be a file osa.list and a file aegis(yaddayadda).list | 11:07 |
| rigow | if you have additional files there, you have enabled other repositories and this seems to mess up the semantic analysis of dpkg dependencies and something goes wrong | 11:08 |
| arcean | mece: how many packages have you updated by apt-get upgrade? for me it was something like ~175 | 11:11 |
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| CityLights | hi | 11:16 |
| CityLights | yesterday I updated my n9 as it asked and it doesnt power on since | 11:16 |
| CityLights | I got the flasher | 11:16 |
| CityLights | and now need to download the firmware | 11:16 |
| CityLights | In case I bouhgt the phone in th usa and want to use an Israel firmaware is it ok? | 11:17 |
| CityLights | both are 16Bg | 11:17 |
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| decibyte | rigow: okay, just those 2 files? not the harmattan.list file? | 11:27 |
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| mece | arcean, 129 updated, 45 not updated | 11:36 |
| qronic | btw, echo 1 > /etc/aegis/logging makes validator-init log it's stuff into /etc/aegis/validator-init.log on boot | 11:37 |
| rdnzl | i'm confused now: i can download DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin - this seems to be the flashable 1.2 image. correct? | 11:37 |
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| arcean | mece: hmm, and what was holded/not upgraded? | 11:44 |
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| decibyte | does some sort of log exist to find out why my update is interrupted? | 11:47 |
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| CityLights | itsnotabigtruck: yesterday you told me to flash in order to recover my N9 | 11:53 |
| pinheiro_ | guys no keyboard how can i get those back? | 11:54 |
| mece | arcean nothing was holded | 11:56 |
| mece | arcean, wait I didn't actually do upgrade, I did http://pastie.org/3478334 | 11:56 |
| arcean | mece: I just run apt-get upgrade, about 175 packages were updated and only harmattan metapackage removed | 12:00 |
| mece | nice | 12:00 |
| Piru | ahh just updated my N9 to 1.2 | 12:02 |
| Piru | (finland) | 12:02 |
| pinheiro_ | lost the keybord after the update btw | 12:04 |
| pinheiro_ | what is the name of the keybord pakage | 12:07 |
| rigow | decibyte, if you have some aegis.something.list file, the harmattan.list is additional. Save it to your homedir | 12:10 |
| rigow | additionally, you may want to switch off background connections and also put the phone on power | 12:10 |
| gri | norway n9 also got the update now | 12:15 |
| pinheiro_ | guys keybord? the cell becomes mostly useless without the keybords | 12:16 |
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| decibyte | okay, at 2% now. best result so far. | 12:29 |
| decibyte | i uninstalled libssl1.0.0 after apt-get update giving me this: "Errors were encountered while processing: libssl1.0.0". could that be the cause for an interrupted update? | 12:29 |
| jonni | rdnzl: atleast your filename looks valid for pr 1.2 image | 12:30 |
| rdnzl | here's progress as well: just finished flashing pr1.2 | 12:30 |
| rdnzl | seems to be ok so far | 12:31 |
| rdnzl | jonni: yes it is | 12:31 |
| rigow | decibyte, if you have done customized things in developer mode, you may want to run apt-get clean | 12:33 |
| decibyte | rigow: i propably have :) it seems to be installing now. will try that if it fails again. | 12:33 |
| decibyte | rigow: and thanks! | 12:34 |
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| rlinfati | yay.... is the firmware 30.2012-7 in navifirm :) | 12:45 |
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| decibyte | hooray! update complete <3 | 12:59 |
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| rlinfati | is tmo down ? | 13:05 |
| gri | jonni: Did you android test application run out of the box? Mine starts, loads qml files and quits and I've got "W/Qt (15396): WARNING: QApplication was not created in the main() thread." in my console | 13:07 |
| rhkfin | N950 & PR1.2beta. Got some updates yesterday, most of the stuff updated OK but updating twitter, facebook & drive fail complaining 'not being compatible with other installed apps'. What to do? | 13:09 |
| jonni | gri: what android test app? | 13:10 |
| gri | jonni: I saw your name on the mailing list for qt components on android | 13:10 |
| gri | maybe that was not you? :) | 13:10 |
| gri | oh damn, it's "Jonny" not "Jonni" - I need coffee. | 13:11 |
| jonni | rlinfati: yep tmo is down, you should use http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7 instead. | 13:17 |
| rlinfati | FYI: a7008f6764370150d418059f3ba82710 DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin | 13:19 |
| rlinfati | 115d2c128fde67fddb9d802b416d8b0b DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1.NOMAPS_EMMC_NOMAPS.bin | 13:19 |
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| pa | how did nokia improve the h264 decoder with pr1.2? | 13:36 |
| pa | does it support 720p high profile decoding now? | 13:36 |
| pa | it's really annoying it doesnt support it , it basically stops from playing youtube hd | 13:37 |
| pa | and the only reason i might give the phone back | 13:38 |
| pa | this nokia being so cheap on hardware sucks.. they claimed it's because it costed less to port meego.. but now they have to spend optimizing the decoder.. so it wasnt such a smart move after all | 13:39 |
| arcean | rhkfin: firstly you have to remove harmattan metapackege then you can run apt-get upgrade or like mece did: http://pastie.org/3478334 | 13:47 |
| jonni | pa: well you can test if yourself, there was some decoder driver improvements. | 13:48 |
| pa | i dont have PR1.2 yet | 13:50 |
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| jonni | atleast m.youtube.com hd videoclips seems to be playing just fine in pr1.2 | 13:52 |
| jonni | I just tested 2 clips that came 1st | 13:53 |
| pa | you mean 720p? | 13:54 |
| pa | thats a good test, i can test with mine on the same clip | 13:54 |
| jonni | well I dont know what resolution they are, just hd icon is selected | 13:54 |
| pa | you should be able to select it i think | 13:55 |
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| jonni | there is only hd on/off button, no button to select the resolution | 13:56 |
| pa | http://www.auby.no/files/video_tests/ | 14:01 |
| pa | you can find a mkv high profile sample here | 14:02 |
| pa | like planet 1 | 14:02 |
| RST38h | Meanwhile: Bone-bothering boffins build GIANT penguin from fossils | 14:07 |
| pa | jonni, here, even the video Shrinkage mp4 play like shit | 14:12 |
| pa | the 27mb 720p main profile mp4 | 14:13 |
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| pa | Planet 2 goes maybe 0.5 fps | 14:13 |
| mece | RST38h, umm video or pics or it didn't happen! | 14:14 |
| rhkfin | arcean: ok thanks | 14:15 |
| pa | jonni, can you try on your pr1.2? | 14:15 |
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| gabriel9 | how can some countries hae angry birds for free? | 14:16 |
| gabriel9 | and my don't | 14:16 |
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| pa | so basically no one here tested the h264 video decoder in pr1.2? | 14:23 |
| jonni | pa: it works fine with m.youtube.com hd files, for custom 720p high profile wont work, since that resolution is totally wrong for mobile devices. | 14:23 |
| pa | jonni, does it work with main profile at least? | 14:24 |
| jonni | didnt see main profile files in you page | 14:24 |
| pa | i know that resolution is too high for mobile device, but one cant be transcoding stuff all the time for carring it around | 14:24 |
| decibyte | anyone remember the location of the css file defining the format of the date shown below the clock in lock screen? | 14:24 |
| pa | jonni, try Shrinkage | 14:25 |
| pa | it's 720 main mp4 | 14:25 |
| jonni | ah there was main profile too, that didnt work either, dont know was it because of mkv or aac | 14:25 |
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| pa | didnt work, or worked bad? | 14:25 |
| pa | mp4s play here | 14:26 |
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| pa | just extremely slowly | 14:26 |
| rhkfin | Has anyone else using a localized version (Finnish in this case) faced this: http://pastebin.com/Wi5e5qJ9 (apt-get asks Haluatko jatkaa [K/e] and the only acceptable positive answer is y. k and K are interpreted as no.) | 14:27 |
| jonni | pa: plays for second and then player notices that resolution is too high for smooth play and stops the player | 14:27 |
| pa | ah okay | 14:27 |
| pa | yeah, so it doesnt work | 14:28 |
| pa | bloody cheap nokia | 14:28 |
| pa | selling an omap3630.. something 3 years old almost | 14:28 |
| jonni | its a mobile and not a laptop, mobile youtube hd uses 480p which is quite optimized for the resolution. | 14:29 |
| pa | the first video i found on mobile youytube, in HQ, seemed quite pixelated | 14:29 |
| pa | didnt look matching too much the screen resolution | 14:30 |
| pa | that should be 480p, indeed | 14:30 |
| pa | and by the way how silly is it that it can encode 720p but cant decode? :) | 14:31 |
| jonni | with software you can encode 1080p :) | 14:32 |
| pa | no, i mean from the camera | 14:32 |
| pa | N9 is capable of making 720p videos, but cant play 720p videos.. | 14:32 |
| pa | probably they are base profile | 14:33 |
| pa | so probably it can play them | 14:33 |
| jeffrey04 | huh, video playback is still not optimized in PR1.2?! | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | with software I can encode 86865fubar | 14:33 |
| pa | what do you mean with software? here im talking about real time 720p encoding from the camera | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | rhkfin: ageold bug | 14:36 |
| jonni | well it can play the 720p encoded cameraclips just fine. so I quess it depends what codec is beeing used. | 14:36 |
| pa | i think those are h264 base profile | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | yup, most likely | 14:38 |
| pa | i wonder if it can play 480p high profile | 14:38 |
| pa | i could accept transcoding movies to carry them around, after all it would take less space | 14:38 |
| pa | and it might make sense | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | base profile supported in hw afaik | 14:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 'sup | 14:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: did you have a chance to turn up anything w/ the flash? | 14:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i *think* flashing with everything matching the cert-sw is supposed to set the trusted bit again, but that clearly isn't an option | 14:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless it is...the images showed up overnight | 14:42 |
| jonni | bin files are avail already | 14:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yep, just found that out, right after speaking like usual, heh | 14:43 |
| jonni | havent had time to test rescue kernel yet, I just got the pr1.2 installed | 14:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, it's clearly not a bug, it's a "feature" | 14:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a "trusted bit" in CAL that's turned off by doing a lot of things, it used to be ignored, now NOLO processes it in a rather aggressive way | 14:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ever booting any untrusted anything = trusted bit off = full reflash required | 14:45 |
| rhkfin | DocScrutinizer51: ageold bug and i think I've seen it on desktops too - where should it be reported so maybe someone would fix it at some stage..? | 14:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm, TMO is down | 14:47 |
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| pa | yep | 14:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | for some reason they skipped my (001) product code with the flash image distribution | 14:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not to worry since the images are the same, but...not this stuff agai | 14:52 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: yep, people should use http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7 instead | 14:53 |
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| Khertan | Hello all ! | 14:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hey | 14:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | almost done downloading one point two jiggabytes | 14:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in fact it's close to 1.21 jiggabytes on the dot :D | 14:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CityLights: did you figure out the flash | 14:57 |
| pa | jonni, now im getting the big buck bunny trailer 480p | 14:57 |
| pa | i'll tell you if it can play high profile | 14:58 |
| rigow | dam, harmattan email client will not talk to authenticated exim | 15:03 |
| rigow | will solve another time | 15:03 |
| gabriel9 | is there any good tutorial for 3d for qt quick? | 15:05 |
| gabriel9 | 3d graphic | 15:05 |
| pa | you mean opengl? | 15:06 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 15:06 |
| marsje | rigow: you mean to send email? | 15:06 |
| rigow | yes | 15:06 |
| pa | well i dont know about qt quick, but for qglwidget there are plenty | 15:06 |
| gabriel9 | that opengl is scary :D | 15:06 |
| CityLights | back | 15:06 |
| pa | well opengl is scary indeed | 15:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no disclaimer, yay | 15:06 |
| gabriel9 | but i need to create this game which is my head | 15:07 |
| gabriel9 | i will explode | 15:07 |
| rigow | marsje, I have TLS on port 587 to an exim instance. I configure it and it keeps on asking for my password. I don't know how to access the logs where and how to debug. There are no meaningful logs server side | 15:07 |
| CityLights | itsnotabigtruck: well , no | 15:07 |
| pa | if you want to create a 3D game in opengl, it takes a while | 15:07 |
| CityLights | itsnotabigtruck: I trust the first url to get the flasher , as I used it with my n900 | 15:07 |
| rigow | s/TLS/smtp on TLS/ | 15:08 |
| pa | it requires way more than just knowing opengl | 15:08 |
| infobot | rigow meant: marsje, I have smtp on TLS on port 587 to an exim instance. I configure it and it keeps on asking for my password. I don't know how to access the logs where and how to debug. There are no meaningful logs server side | 15:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CityLights: btw the firmware image for pr1.2 just came out | 15:08 |
| CityLights | the second lin to the firmware , was odd | 15:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so assuming you want pr1.2, download that | 15:08 |
| CityLights | where? | 15:08 |
| decibyte | itsnotabigtruck: du yo have a link? | 15:08 |
| rigow | good bot! | 15:08 |
| gabriel9 | i know js, php, some math also | 15:08 |
| gabriel9 | some c++ | 15:08 |
| pa | i think i recently got a 3D gaming pack with books and stuff, that is about 40gb ;) | 15:08 |
| CityLights | am I allowed to use a diffrent image then where I bought the device? | 15:08 |
| CityLights | can I load an Israelly image on a usa machine? | 15:08 |
| gabriel9 | and played lots of games | 15:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | navifirm+, browse to n9 > 30.2012.7.1 > pick anything in the list | 15:08 |
| gabriel9 | loooots | 15:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and yes, you can | 15:08 |
| pa | CityLights, really? is it possible to flash now with pr1.2 001? | 15:09 |
| CityLights | itsnotabigtruck: is it possible to download the image from nokia? | 15:09 |
| CityLights | so I trust it? | 15:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i just told you, yes | 15:09 |
| CityLights | ok | 15:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, navifirm is a gui program that downloads from a nokia server | 15:09 |
| pa | cool | 15:09 |
| CityLights | I am on it now | 15:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia doesn't have a web page or anything for it, they don't want users doing this stuff | 15:09 |
| CityLights | need I get the only the big 1Gb file , or do I need thte rest of them? | 15:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but the relevant managers don't seem to understand that users often have to do this stuff | 15:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CityLights: you need the 2 large files | 15:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the PR_LEGACY one and the EMMC one | 15:10 |
| CityLights | you are very kind - thanks | 15:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just pick one of the NDT 16GB ROW entries in the list | 15:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ROW = rest of world = no maps included = shorter download | 15:11 |
| Khertan | Does some have still network problem with n950 ? Since beta pr1.2 the 3G and 2G network crash and never recover, so i can't call, or receive call | 15:11 |
| arcean | Khertan: nope, but I haven't had problems with network so far | 15:12 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 15:13 |
| Khertan | pretty annonoying | 15:13 |
| arcean | yeah, I can imagine | 15:13 |
| * Khertan time to come back to n900 | 15:13 | |
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| pa | itsnotabigtruck, what is all the other crap for? vpl, signature, dcp, etc? | 15:14 |
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| pa | (btw downloading the legacy and emmc :)) | 15:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: most of it's used by NSU or nokia care suite for various stuff | 15:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. official nokia stores are supposed to print out a new imei label if they change a phone's product code | 15:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so there's templates for doing that | 15:16 |
| pa | ah | 15:16 |
| pa | but do i lose warranty by reflashing? | 15:16 |
| CityLights | is qgil around here? | 15:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you don't do anything weird, no | 15:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you screw up with flasher, probably | 15:16 |
| arcean | Khertan: maybe you should try to reflash it again ? :D | 15:16 |
| Khertan | arcean: hum ... i didn't see why it ll be better | 15:17 |
| Khertan | after reflash | 15:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | in theory they might not like it if you send in an N9 with an interchanged region code | 15:17 |
| pa | i still have to pay my phone.. and not sure whether i want to keep it :) | 15:17 |
| Khertan | sometime it s work sometime it s don't | 15:17 |
| arcean | Khertan: but then, why it's working for me? | 15:17 |
| arcean | ahh, I see | 15:17 |
| qronic | hm, can somebody check if they can enter + sign in Phone app on PR1.2? | 15:18 |
| Khertan | arcean: i ll try .. but probably something related to different usage too :) | 15:18 |
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| Khertan | could be due to backup too | 15:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you flash to the 001 pr1.2 firmware, you can still flash back to your local region's firmware when it arrives | 15:19 |
| arcean | Khertan: yeah, could be. I have always active 3G, so I would know if it's dropping connection | 15:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though then you have to put up with slow updates again | 15:19 |
| pa | thats true | 15:19 |
| pa | hmm | 15:19 |
| Khertan | arcean: the problem is when it s drop connection, he never recover it | 15:19 |
| X-Fade | qronic: just tap star twice | 15:19 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, by the way, does flashing with 001 debrand my phone? | 15:19 |
| pa | meaning reset , for instance, the lock screen image? | 15:20 |
| Khertan | and didn't think it s due to low 3G coverage ... i'm in the center of paris | 15:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: yeah...but operators can put locks on debranding phones, i think | 15:20 |
| arcean | hmm, strange | 15:20 |
| qronic | X-Fade, oh, thought I should hold it ) | 15:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that is one thing to think about | 15:20 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, hmm meaning i cannot flash with 001 or..? | 15:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're on some carrier firmware | 15:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can't flash back to it | 15:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | until the carrier decides to release a new one | 15:20 |
| pa | i know my phone is branded but not sim locked | 15:20 |
| pa | at least thats what the shop said | 15:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alright, finally on a clean PR1.2 in normal disclaimer-free mode | 15:23 |
| Khertan | does not beta version is available for n950 ? | 15:24 |
| arcean | Khertan: [12:47] <arcean> firstly you have to remove harmattan metapackege then you can run apt-get upgrade or like mece did: http://pastie.org/3478334 | 15:25 |
| Khertan | arcean: thx | 15:25 |
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| arcean | Khertan: firstly, you have to add N9 repo for 001 region ofc :) | 15:27 |
| Khertan | hum ... | 15:27 |
| Khertan | indeed | 15:27 |
| Khertan | arcean: firstly ... making backup :) | 15:28 |
| arcean | hmm | 15:30 |
| pa | jonni, are you still there? | 15:32 |
| pa | http://tinyurl.com/7v85m7z | 15:32 |
| pa | how does this play? | 15:32 |
| pa | in particular, after "one giant payback" | 15:32 |
| pa | this is 480p avc | 15:34 |
| pa | can some luicky 1.2 guy try it? | 15:37 |
| jonni | pa: if that is high profile it wont play, no need to test | 15:37 |
| pa | its 480p | 15:38 |
| pa | it plays here | 15:38 |
| pa | almost fine | 15:38 |
| jonni | well 480p high profile is not supported | 15:38 |
| pa | it has some little troubles after "one giant payback" | 15:38 |
| jonni | 480p base is | 15:38 |
| pa | jonni, utube is only avc, afaik | 15:38 |
| pa | meaning it shouldnt work as well, but you say it does | 15:39 |
| Khertan | what is : deb-exec /usr/bin/osa ?? | 15:42 |
| gabriel9 | talk.maemo is dead? | 15:42 |
| Khertan | why does it s in sourcelist ? | 15:42 |
| Khertan | gabriel9: yep | 15:42 |
| Khertan | gabriel9: at least for the moment :) | 15:42 |
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| jonni | pa: http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/graphics/videoformatsupport/big_buck_bunny_trailer_480p_baseline.mp4 works fine. | 15:44 |
| pa | jonni, what about the one i linked? have you had a look at that? | 15:44 |
| pa | it's just 4mb after all | 15:45 |
| jonni | pa: your link was http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/graphics/videoformatsupport/big_buck_bunny_trailer_480p_high.mp4 and as I said 480p high profile is not supported, as when it starts to skips frames player will stop it | 15:45 |
| pa | ah okay | 15:45 |
| pa | thats interesting actually | 15:45 |
| pa | from what you say it works even worse than in Pr1.1 | 15:45 |
| pa | here that one plays almost fine | 15:46 |
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| jonni | pa: it plays ok for most of the parts, but there is intelligence in the player now, that it will say unsupported format when it notices frameskips | 15:46 |
| jonni | which means that its not supported | 15:46 |
| pa | well.. then i guess i'll give my phone back. It's cute and made in finland and everything, but i wont support an idiotic producer that dont even sell hardware capable to play bandwidth efficient media | 15:47 |
| pa | fuck off nokia | 15:47 |
| jonni | well if your only usecase is to play high profile videos, then clearly device is wrong for you. | 15:47 |
| pa | i dont think asking 480p AVC is asking too much, in 2011/2012 | 15:48 |
| Khertan | in pr1.1 ... player skip frame | 15:49 |
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| Khertan | in pr1.2 player skip the rest of the frames :) | 15:49 |
| pa | :D | 15:49 |
| pa | but moment | 15:49 |
| Khertan | 'Videos not supported message' | 15:49 |
| pa | lemme try kmplayer | 15:49 |
| veli | Hello, any idea how to detect when vkb is opened? | 15:49 |
| pa | probably it makes it in cpu | 15:49 |
| Khertan | why ? because some complain | 15:49 |
| pa | it's not so though anyway | 15:49 |
| Khertan | pa: kmplayer need mplayer, which isn't available | 15:49 |
| pa | ah | 15:50 |
| pa | so how does it work? | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | Khertan: now that'a great improvement from 11 to 12 ;-P | 15:50 |
| pa | i mean, is there and it works | 15:50 |
| pa | what does it use? | 15:50 |
| Khertan | DocScrutinizer51: yeah indeed | 15:51 |
| Khertan | pa: oh .. maybe i didn't found the right repository for mplayer | 15:51 |
| jonni | veli: make custom event listener and listen for QEvent::RequestSoftwareInputPanel for example. or detect window scenew size changes. | 15:51 |
| veli | jonni: thanks | 15:52 |
| pa | Khertan, but it does frameskipping as well | 15:52 |
| pa | so probably avc is just too much for the cheap hw N9 has | 15:52 |
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| Khertan | pa: cheap ... hw ... haha | 15:53 |
| Khertan | he just need some love | 15:53 |
| Khertan | specially for hw accelerated driver | 15:53 |
| Khertan | s | 15:53 |
| pa | sgx530 is for homeless nowadays | 15:53 |
| pa | and if you read N9 faq, nokia argument for this choice is just soooo lame | 15:54 |
| pa | "The OMAP 3630 processor is in the same family as the N900's OMAP 3430 (600Mhz), this reduced the amout on hardware / SoC integration work that was required for the N9 and this reduced the overall cost of development. Nokia also feels that the processor is adequate to meet the likely usage scenarios of the N9." | 15:55 |
| Khertan | pa and more efficient than a 2hours of call of most of cheap android phone | 15:57 |
| Khertan | :) | 15:57 |
| arcean | decoding video - it's the DSP thing, isn't it? | 15:57 |
| pa | it probably uses the gpu on the n9 | 15:57 |
| Khertan | arcean: yep :) | 15:57 |
| pa | it doesnt look like it has a dedicated dsp | 15:57 |
| Khertan | pa: anyway ... which other gpu ? one with no linux driver ? | 15:58 |
| Khertan | more useless | 15:58 |
| arcean | for sure the n9 has dsp | 15:58 |
| pa | Khertan, sgx 5xx haave probably all the same architecture | 15:59 |
| pa | and if they are used for android, then they have linux drivers | 15:59 |
| Khertan | pa: ANDROID ISN'T LINUX ! | 15:59 |
| arcean | pa: wrong assumption | 15:59 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: sure it is...it's not just gnu/linux | 16:00 |
| faenil | guys, fast way to get qtquick components on desktop | 16:00 |
| faenil | ? | 16:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it still uses the linux kernel and linux drivers | 16:00 |
| jonni | ofcourse there is dsp, most of 3rd party players just dont use it, like N9 videolan player just uses sw and not the dsp. | 16:00 |
| pa | then it's el cheapo dsp.. | 16:00 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: no no ... it s not linux, it s a perverted and corrupted linux kernel with a crappy of garbage of modification .... | 16:00 |
| pa | i read N8 was able to play avc video | 16:01 |
| * Khertan have better to do ... | 16:01 | |
| Khertan | bye | 16:01 |
| arcean | bye | 16:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, even if they insist on sticking with omap they should have used omap4 | 16:03 |
| alterego | Does anyone have a nice example of an application About dialog in QML? | 16:07 |
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| lfranchi | anyone else unable to access talk.maemo.org/ | 16:11 |
| lfranchi | ? | 16:11 |
| lfranchi | can't look for help for me "upgrade interrupted" error on upgrading to pr 1.2 on N9 | 16:11 |
| pa | everybody | 16:12 |
| lfranchi | ah k :) | 16:13 |
| decibyte | lfranchi: when running apt-get upgrade i got an error saying "Errors were encountered while processing: libssl1.0.0". if you have some packages acting like that, remove them. solved my problem. | 16:13 |
| lfranchi | ok, will try | 16:13 |
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| Corsac | http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/28/nokia-n900-in-white-hands-on/ *arf* congrats Engadget | 16:27 |
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| ninnnu | ... | 16:28 |
| Myname24 | I need your help :) I am trying to update OTA and it starts installing but after a few minutes update interrupted . What am i doing wrong ? | 16:29 |
| decibyte | Myname24: when running apt-get upgrade i got an error saying "Errors were encountered while processing: libssl1.0.0". if you have some packages acting like that, remove them. solved my problem. | 16:32 |
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| rdnzl | or download pr1.2 image and flash via usb. solved my problem :) | 16:34 |
| divan | alterego: look at Bedside clock, it's about is neat and simple :) | 16:34 |
| Myname24 | Thanks will try it now | 16:35 |
| alterego | Cool | 16:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, a LOT of people have had trouble with the system software upgrade | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just do a USB flash at the first sign of trouble | 16:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | seems like all i've been doing here lately is helping people flash their phones :/ | 16:43 |
| alterego | It's alright for you guys, | 16:44 |
| faenil | itsnotabigtruck: lol | 16:46 |
| Myname24 | Well if i have the internet speed and bandwidth i will surely flash it but sadly neither exist | 16:46 |
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| alterego | I updated my N9 yesterday, and it started showing the voided warranty splash when I turn it on. | 16:50 |
| lfranchi | yeah, looks like i'll do a USB flash | 16:51 |
| lfranchi | heh | 16:51 |
| lfranchi | anyoen got a pr1.2 download link? | 16:52 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.techweekeurope.co.uk/news/mwc-2012-nokia-announces-41-megapixel-symbian-smartphone-63339 WTFBBQ. | 16:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alterego: flash it | 16:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the solution is always to flash it | 16:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with PR1.2 you can't get out of open mode without doing a full flash | 16:55 |
| alterego | It was never in open mode | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it is now | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | disclaimer screen = open mode | 16:56 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you do accli -I it'll say mode: open | 16:56 |
| alterego | I'd be more interested in to how this happened. | 16:56 |
| alterego | Erm, to know how it happened. | 16:56 |
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| pa | but so does this void the warranty or not? | 17:01 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: don't quote me on this but i don't think so | 17:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | since it's a carrier-branded unit things might be a little bit different | 17:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's hard to tell really until someone sends one in and finds out :p | 17:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1171317 | 17:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ^ just made a thread on TMO about this trusted bit business | 17:03 |
| pa | thanks | 17:04 |
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| alterego | That phone looks like an N900 | 17:08 |
| alterego | Kinda cross between a C7 and an N900 | 17:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alterego: the 808? | 17:09 |
| alterego | Yeah | 17:09 |
| alterego | Hahah, | 17:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that phone should have been running harmattan :( | 17:10 |
| alterego | It can record full 1080p, take these massive 38MP pictures, but it only has 16G of internal memory :) | 17:10 |
| alterego | "I have a phone, it can take 38MP pictures, but I can only have 3 of them on my phone at a time" :) | 17:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | they really need to launch a phone called the C4 | 17:10 |
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| alterego | teeheehee | 17:10 |
| alterego | "The C4 Explodes on to Shelves this Summer" | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | 48MP images are probably going to be around 30 meg or so. So you get quite a few in 16G | 17:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the phone with the power of an explosion in your hand! | 17:11 |
| dm8tbr | alterego: what's that in your backpack? oh, that's just my C4! | 17:11 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: I was being silly, | 17:11 |
| alterego | lolz | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | yeah | 17:11 |
| denism1 | SpeedEvil: I am quite sure I can have 48MP image in 100k jpeg :) | 17:11 |
| SpeedEvil | Sure. | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | err | 17:12 |
| alterego | A picture of my ex-girlfriends black soul would probably compress very well. | 17:12 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm not sure that's actually possible - I think there is a limit due to the maximum compression of a block. | 17:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you could have a 100k 48MP png though | 17:12 |
| bambee_ | who did find the "video call" feature in harmattan pr 1.2 ? still searching... | 17:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 17:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | Ah. | 17:16 |
| SpeedEvil | ...and pixel oversampling technology... | 17:16 |
| lfranchi | is there a public download link for the 1.2 image to flash? or should i wait and it'll get released eventually? | 17:16 |
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| SpeedEvil | = lens can do 8MP, but we've put a 38MP sensor behind. | 17:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lfranchi: yeah, it's out | 17:16 |
| lfranchi | itsnotabigtruck: ah, where did you find it? | 17:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.btusers.com.ar/nan/nokia/releases.php?id=2023612&rid=6978621696&pid=4823499691&firm=30.2012.7.1 | 17:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or just use NAVIFIRM if you're on windows | 17:18 |
| lfranchi | linux ideally, could reboot into win if i need to though | 17:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that website i linked doesn't have the eMMC content images | 17:19 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | though flashing those will obliterate your docs/pics/music | 17:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and maps | 17:19 |
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| lfranchi | that's ok, i can redownload those | 17:20 |
| lfranchi | what are eMMC content images? | 17:20 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ok, then pull up navifirm+ and find the N9 30.something release | 17:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pick the NDT 16GB ROW entry | 17:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | download the two large .bin files | 17:21 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: are you running PR1.2? | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah | 17:21 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: could you do me a favor and test MeeSaver if it works on it? :) | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and eMMC content = images that restore the original content of the user data partition | 17:21 |
| lfranchi | ah is ee | 17:21 |
| lfranchi | thx | 17:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: got a link? | 17:22 |
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| lfranchi | itsnotabigtruck: e.g. http://www.btusers.com.ar/nan/nokia/go.php?url=http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1202/2209/6514970204/DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin ? | 17:22 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i posted in your thread wondering why you said to wait for ovi store when you can just upload the deb | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lfranchi: yep | 17:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice if that website scanned the nokia server that has the emmc content images | 17:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that image is the main firmware image | 17:23 |
| lfranchi | hmm i wonder why there are the colors? different colors have different images? heh | 17:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | nope, same images | 17:23 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: http://aranelsurion.org/iceriksel/meesaver_1.1.0_armel.deb | 17:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | different product code though | 17:23 |
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| lfranchi | ok | 17:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lfranchi: there's 1 image for each regional variant | 17:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | regional variants are like 001, 003, 005, 007 | 17:24 |
| lfranchi | makes sense | 17:25 |
| torarne | anyone know how to install 1.2 when the " "flashig interrupted" ? i've tried disabling dev mode and removing all extra apt sources | 17:25 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: flash it | 17:25 |
| lfranchi | gotta love nokia for making me flash my firmware to upgrade | 17:25 |
| lfranchi | heh | 17:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | @everyone with any problem: flash it | 17:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lol | 17:25 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: and lose sms/contacts etc? | 17:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: yeah, but you can back those up | 17:26 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: ah, and it will be stored on the user-data-partition? | 17:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: the user data partition is left alone if you don't flash the emmc | 17:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: installing... | 17:27 |
| torarne | aight, thanks! | 17:27 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: okay ^^ | 17:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: remember that the first line of the description is supposed to be terse | 17:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | think "scheduled wallpaper changer" kind of thing | 17:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, can't you update your own N9/N950/whatnot to 1.2? | 17:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're having the variant code problem, you can flash now | 17:28 |
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| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: it'd involve a flash and I'd have to backup&restore lots of data, I'm too lazy for it :p | 17:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so? :p | 17:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also you need to make your app manager icon exactly 64x64 | 17:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anything else = resizing = not so pretty | 17:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, crap, it doesn't work | 17:30 |
| Aranel | :| doesn't launch? | 17:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yup | 17:30 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | IOError: File not found. defaulting to .wallpapers and 60 seconds | 17:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Error: Something went wrong. | 17:31 |
| Aranel | :< nope It's the way it should work on first run. Means you're using default values. | 17:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | including the latter part? | 17:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and no gui appearing? | 17:31 |
| Aranel | :| n, just IOError part :p | 17:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, any reason for the padlock icon? | 17:33 |
| Aranel | lockscreen. :p | 17:33 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: can you run /opt/MeeSaver/qml/meesaver/main.sh and see if GUI appears? | 17:35 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: back online | 18:03 |
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| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: ^^ | 18:04 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: can you run /opt/MeeSaver/qml/meesaver/main.sh and see if GUI appears? | 18:04 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: got it, have to reinstall meesaver first | 18:05 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: no module named pyside.qtcore | 18:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's your dependencies | 18:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, you really shouldn't need all these shell scripts that just launch python scripts... | 18:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you do realize you can put shebang lines in python scripts too, right? | 18:09 |
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| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: but require +x right ... calling them with python didn't require it :) | 18:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: but the python scripts can be made +x too :p | 18:10 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: yup learnt it from you =) But it now works this way and Aegis doesn't complain ^^ | 18:10 |
| Khertan | itsnotabigtruck: depends on location ... and aegis ... and location of the script | 18:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: hrm? aegis doesn't keep you from setting +x permissions on a script | 18:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aegis imposes some silly stuff but that isn't part of it | 18:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | some people have had trouble managing to build a .deb with the correctpermissions though | 18:12 |
| Khertan | yep ... and using python prevent some aegis problem as python is already know by aegis | 18:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Khertan: but you can make your script known by aegis too by installing it | 18:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but yeah, python, perl, sh, etc. are all aegis-transparent (they always inherit all the privileges of the caller) | 18:13 |
| Khertan | yes | 18:13 |
| Khertan | this is the purpose | 18:13 |
| Khertan | :) | 18:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right, it's just that i was commenting on aranel's use of launcher shell scripts | 18:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which work but are an extra layer that can be taken out | 18:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyhow...aranel: i think everything will work fine *if* you make sure *every* depoendency i slisted | 18:14 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: d'oh, dependency :| for some reason it works on my device without python-pyside package | 18:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | strange...are you sure you have none of the pyside packages installed? | 18:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i doubt that because you're using it :p | 18:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i think python-pyside is a "metapackage" that just pulls in other pyside packages | 18:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you removed python-pyside but not everything else pyside-related, you still have pyside | 18:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you should probably depend only on the specific pyside packages you need | 18:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | to keep bloat/dl time down | 18:16 |
| itsnotabigtruck | while you're at it see if you can do up a 64x64 version of your icon for the app manager :) | 18:16 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: It looks pretty good on mine? Don't you mean Settings > Manage applications? | 18:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: you can see the downsizing | 18:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because you're probably using the 80x80 icon | 18:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a common problem | 18:18 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: and I checked it, I don't have any of these python-pyside.* packages nor python-pyside itself. weird. | 18:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | very weird... | 18:19 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: upgraded it from beta2 to pr1.1, maybe that package was a part of beta2 itself. | 18:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | aranel: do grep foo /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list | 18:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where foo is the name of something in pyside | 18:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, pyside should do the trick :p | 18:20 |
| Aranel | it looks installed there. :| but prints "following extra packages will be installed" if I try the apt-get way. | 18:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so it's in some zombie state | 18:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | install pyside everything, then uninstall it | 18:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then confirm that meesaver doesn't work anymore | 18:22 |
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| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: uploaded a new build @ aranelsurion.org/iceriksel/meesaver_1.1.0_armel.deb | 18:23 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: can you try it? :) | 18:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | just a moment | 18:23 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: Python-pyside is listed now and also makes use of invoker, to make sure only one instance of it running. :) | 18:24 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, it's doing its thing now | 18:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but like i mentioned before, perhaps try and depend on only the parts of pyside you need? | 18:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's downloading 6 megs now | 18:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | on top of the 4 megs it downloaded before | 18:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (python) | 18:25 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: I'm already doing it, only python-pyside.qtcore,qtgui and qtdeclarative is listed | 18:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so that means 10 megs of extra payload for users with relatively clean phones | 18:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, guess those are just huge packages | 18:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | heh | 18:25 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: all 3 of them are imported on python script, hard to avoid :) | 18:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | w00t, that did the trick | 18:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | for the next release consider harmattanizing the ui a little more | 18:27 |
| Aranel | yay ^. ^ time to send it to Ovi QA | 18:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. i think the field captions are normally smaller and grey | 18:27 |
| Aranel | oh, didn't notice that | 18:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also usually wide buttons are a bit narrower and centered | 18:27 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not a big deal, it looks good, i'm just extremely nitpicky about this ui stuff :p | 18:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because a lot of apps are way far off from looking system | 18:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is very close | 18:28 |
| Aranel | :P my first attempts were nothing like Harmattan UI in anyway | 18:28 |
| lfranchi | itsnotabigtruck: hm, you recommended to download both 'big' bin files, but i see only one huge one (gbs) and the rest are kbs | 18:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice if there were a real n9 ui design guide...the one that's up seems to mostly exist to show off screenshots of harmattan | 18:28 |
| Aranel | so you should consider this %100 harmattan :p | 18:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | lfranchi: you got the main firmware image | 18:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like i mentioned before, that page i linked doesn't have emmc images | 18:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you probably don't need the emmc image so that's ok | 18:29 |
| lfranchi | ahk, nm then | 18:29 |
| lfranchi | i'll just backup + flash that then | 18:29 |
| Aranel | everything (header, buttons etc.) were custom-made ^^ | 18:29 |
| * lfranchi goes about backing up... | 18:29 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | now get flasher 3.12.1, and do flasher -i, then flasher -f -F foo.bin | 18:29 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | flasher -i will wait for the phone to be ready and put it into flashing mode | 18:30 |
| lfranchi | ok | 18:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so a) disconnect the phone from usb (important!) | 18:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) power it off | 18:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | c) run flasher -i | 18:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | d) attach the phone to usb | 18:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the phone will then power up and flasher will connect | 18:31 |
| lfranchi | ok, thanks | 18:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | note that if you power it off while it's still on usb, it doesn't actually power off and it won't work | 18:31 |
| lfranchi | this will clear all my settings+contacts+etc, right? | 18:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it'll nuke your apps, i think your contacts will still be in place | 18:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | maybe back up everything to be sure | 18:31 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you want a fresh start get the emmc image and flash it, that WILL wipe everything | 18:32 |
| lfranchi | hmm no need for that :) | 18:32 |
| itsnotabigtruck | no replies on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82644 yet :( a decent number of views though | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | dm8tbr: ping | 18:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also it looks like somebody liked my milkytracker port, and has some good suggestions for improving it | 18:33 |
| * RST38h moos | 18:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | remoo | 18:34 |
| RST38h | EHLO Doc, what is cooking tonight? | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | b2r2 aka gfx for Nova chips | 18:35 |
| leinir | itsnotabigtruck: Daaaamn... that's crazy on such a small screen ;) | 18:35 |
| RST38h | ah | 18:35 |
| RST38h | but I guess it is not relevant to any of our devices? | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | reviewd my 'old' mails and picked up a thread of january | 18:36 |
| leinir | (i actually have a design for a tracker style app for small touch devices... still need to get to that ;) ) | 18:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | leinir: nice | 18:36 |
| RST38h | leinir: I think there is a few of these for android | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: well, it's relevant for linux | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and somewhat related to my daywork | 18:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and yeah, it works ok for playing MOD files and watching the pretty representation scroll by, but for actually tracking it's no good | 18:37 |
| leinir | itsnotabigtruck, RST38h: If you wanna see... http://www.flickr.com/photos/49031477@N00/6134018702/in/photostream :) | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | searchterm igloo | 18:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it has keyboard controls and rzr says it works ok on his n950 | 18:37 |
| RST38h | leinir: =)~ | 18:38 |
| RST38h | leinir: may just as well add standard chords-based notation to the mix | 18:38 |
| RST38h | leinir: and generate/parse MIDI as one of the options | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I wish I was at Barcelona | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | though my colleagues haven't mentioned the weather there yet | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Doc: Thankfully you are not, and Elop will escape unharmed this time | 18:39 |
| RST38h | Where is javispedro BTW? Have not seen him in a while | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | indeed | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | over a month overdue | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | MIA | 18:40 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i think he's been around, just not on IRC | 18:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | not sure why | 18:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer51: going to put your phone on pr1.2 open mode? | 18:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or are you waiting for the kernel source | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | afaik there's no opwenmode for 1.2 yet | 18:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | DocScrutinizer51: sure there is, i found out the hard way last night | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | well, you can nuke the kernel's siganture - sure | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | a) flash a clean PR1.2 installation, b) immediately boot an unsigned kernel (it doesn't matter which - rescue kernel works) | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this will set the tainted bit, causing the phone to be in open mode until a full reflash (this is new in the pr1.2 NOLO) | 18:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | c) AEGIS_FIXED_ORIGIN=com.nokia.maemo dpkg -i opensh.deb | 18:45 |
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| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: so you won't have the patched kernel which bypasses the aegis-stuff for regular root user, but can use opensh for those things? | 18:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: right | 18:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | certain aegis stuff checks if you're in open mode, so you don't actually need to change the kernel | 18:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because open mode behavior is enabled by virtue of the disclaimer being triggered | 18:52 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: interesting! | 18:52 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: where do i get the rescue kernel? | 18:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state it's this one | 18:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | first two links | 18:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | works on N9 too | 18:53 |
| torarne | nice | 18:53 |
| torarne | will give it a shot | 18:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | make sure you do this right after a comprehensive flash | 18:54 |
| torarne | yepp | 18:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that means both main and emmc images | 18:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you don't need to do --erase-user-data, that's a waste of time | 18:54 |
| torarne | gotcha | 18:54 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | oh no | 19:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Aranel: now meesaver isn't starting anymore | 19:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, no, it is - but | 19:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | invoker isn't focusing the existing instance of meesaver | 19:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if meesaver is already open, launching it again has the appearance of it being broken | 19:03 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: confirmed on mine too :| I have no idea why invoker behaves that way. | 19:04 |
| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: most likely It hates shell scripts, or python GUI's too. | 19:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmmm | 19:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i bet it has to do with your shell script then | 19:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | get rid of the shell script, make the python +x, fix up the aegis manifest/desktop icon/etc., and see if it works then | 19:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is based on a guess that it's looking up windows by the name of the executable | 19:06 |
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| Aranel | itsnotabigtruck: yup I'll try and see if it works, include it on a minor patch maybe =) | 19:12 |
| jonni | or it should use single-instance instead of invoker... | 19:12 |
| jonni | as single instance does the checking for you | 19:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought single-instance is deprecated (or gone?) | 19:13 |
| jonni | its still there, but you can also do "invoker -s" that is also single-instance | 19:15 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: did you manage to openmodify your phone? | 19:18 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: didn't have a chance yet, doing some other stuff :/ | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ah ok | 19:19 |
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| torarne | how did you get the image? | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: navifirm | 19:19 |
| torarne | k | 19:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use navifirm+ 1.7 | 19:20 |
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| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin + DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1.RM680_EMMC_RM680.bin | 19:33 |
| torarne | and the moment that's done, flasher -f -a DFL61_HARMATTAN_30.2012.07-1_PR_LEGACY_001-OEM1-958_ARM.bin -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader ? | 19:36 |
| mgedmin | grr, "n9 developer blog" is not on the front page of google for that phrase | 19:36 |
| jonni | torarne: you dont neet to -f, -b is enough to flip the bit | 19:36 |
| jonni | neet=need | 19:37 |
| torarne | jonni: ah, thanks! | 19:37 |
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| mgedmin | or maybe it is, I just can't figure out from the truncated urls | 19:37 |
| * mgedmin is looking for that "harmattan version numbers explained" post -> google first page is full of posts _mentioning_ this post, but doesn't have the post itself?! | 19:39 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: wait, hold on | 19:40 |
| jonni | what do you need to know about version numbers, I can explain :) | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: are you on an N950? | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or an N9? | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because that's an N950 emmc and an N9 main image | 19:40 |
| torarne | n950 | 19:40 |
| jonni | you cannot flash n9 image to n950 | 19:41 |
| torarne | 009 is n950? | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: nah, DADD or RM680 is n950 | 19:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | any of the 00x images are N9 | 19:42 |
| torarne | i see | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | grab the one-click flasher and unzip it | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it has the main image for the N950 inside | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, where'd that emmc image even come from...weird | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: it's on the nokia developer blog somewhere...you're not missing that much | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it goes: DFL61_HARMATTAN_ver.year.week-day_PR_variant | 19:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | where ver is single-digit for N950, two-digit for N9 (e.g. pr1.2beta = 3, pr1.2 n9 = 30) | 19:45 |
| mgedmin | I was looking for variant codes actually | 19:46 |
| mgedmin | 001 = Europe | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 003 = china | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 005 = asia pacific, i think | 19:46 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | 006 = middle east | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 009 = more europe (not sure how it's divided - it's not east/west) | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 3xx/4xx = country variants (usually operator branded) | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 2xx also | 19:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 001 includes some places outside europe too like latin america | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | mgedmin: i think that covers it | 19:48 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, so torarne: unzip your one-click flasher | 19:49 |
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| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: i got the image, flashing now | 19:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | use the main image that came with that + that emmc image | 19:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok cool | 19:49 |
| seiflotfy | hey guys | 19:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and then you don't flash the rescue kernel/initrd, you use flasher -l -b -kkernel -ninitfs | 19:49 |
| seiflotfy | i keep asking my n9 to look for updates and it tells me device is up-to-date | 19:49 |
| seiflotfy | i think i uninstalled a metapackage or such | 19:50 |
| seiflotfy | any help | 19:50 |
| seiflotfy | ? | 19:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | seiflotfy: you're probably in a region other than 001 | 19:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | download the 001 image and flash it | 19:50 |
| seiflotfy | where can i get the 001 region? | 19:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | look up one of the zillion articles about flashing, you download with navifirm and flash using the nokia flasher 3.12.1 utility | 19:50 |
| seiflotfy | i know how to flash | 19:50 |
| seiflotfy | jsut i am on linux so nanifirm wont work | 19:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.btusers.com.ar/nan/nokia/ download it from here then | 19:51 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: did this sudo ./flasher -l -b -k vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader -n initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 | 19:52 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: said "nothing to flash" | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: hmm...move -l and -b to the end | 19:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and take the spaces out | 19:53 |
| torarne | reflash the image? | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually... | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | change -k to --kernel=x | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and -n to --initfs=x | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher's command line parsing is very funky | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | some sort arguments must have a space, others must not have a space | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't reflash anything | 19:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | assuming you flashed the right things in the first place | 19:53 |
| torarne | it says "Suitable USB interface (bootloader/phonet) not found, waiting", so i guess i have to reboot to get it going? | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm...ok, start over | 19:54 |
| torarne | will do :) | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you're not done until you have a successful flash of the PROPER image, and then you get your phone onto the disclaimer screen | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you see the disclaimer screen you're done | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it shows up immediately after the boot | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (the boot being the flasher -l -b stuff | 19:55 |
| torarne | k | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ) gotta close those parens :p | 19:55 |
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| torarne | :D | 19:55 |
| torarne | hmm, same thing | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is weird...must be a syntax problem | 19:58 |
| pa | is there a way to plug the phone to PC via usb mass storage, and disable the chargin? | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | sure you got the filenames correct? | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | add the -v argument | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't reboot the phone, keep trying the boot command until it does it | 19:58 |
| torarne | sudo ./flasher -l -b --kernel=vmlinuz-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-adaptation-n950-bootloader --initfs=initrd.img-rescue-2.6.32.20112201-11.2-n950 | 19:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | like i mentione dbefore try putting the -l -b at the very end | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so flasher --kernel=x --initfs=y -l -b -v | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | try that | 19:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: i don't think so | 20:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to turn off charging entirely but it's not hard to figure out why that's a bad idea | 20:00 |
| pa | could be nice to have for this a.... Toggle! :) | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: any luck? | 20:02 |
| torarne | trying a reflash again | 20:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you're still having problems dump all the flasher output onto gist.github.com | 20:02 |
| torarne | the device got r&d certs, but that should not matter | 20:02 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, anyway, can i disable it from the options or do i have to go terminal? | 20:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: wait, why are you bothering with this if you have an r&d cert | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | this is dumb :p | 20:03 |
| torarne | cause i want to keep my setup similar to the community so any instructions i do on how to hack on the n9 applies to people outside nokia as well | 20:03 |
| torarne | :) | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | r&d cert prevents it from ever going into open mode, and it lets you do everything open mode lets you do... | 20:03 |
| torarne | yepp, it's primarily for keeping close to the rest of the world | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which you can't do if you have an r&d cert installed, because that's an override for almost every security (mis)feature of the N9 | 20:07 |
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| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: ah, i was under the impression that would only apply when using R&D images | 20:08 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: thanks, good to know | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | torarne: nope, every release has more things gated on having r&d certs loaded | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, you might know more of course being on the inside and actually having one... i only know what i know from analysis | 20:08 |
| torarne | not even close :) i appreciate you help | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it allows you to completely disable aegis, log in through ssh, downgrade the firmware, never trigger open mode, etc. | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | *log in as root | 20:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's like an all-purpose shutoff for anything aegis/security related | 20:10 |
| itsnotabigtruck | even on productionb uilds | 20:10 |
| torarne | *nods* | 20:12 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, or do you mean that you have to turn it off at compile time or something? | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | with an r&d cert loaded, disabling aegis enforcing mode is a matter of echoing something to a file and rebooting | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because validator-init is full of rdc hooks too | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: well, you can turn charging off from flasher, that's what i was referring to | 20:13 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but that's not what you'd do in a toggle app | 20:13 |
| pa | ah, no, thats not a good idea indeed | 20:13 |
| torarne | itsnotabigtruck: i know :) like i said, i want to keep my setup similar to people who don't have that luxury. the more people who have itches to scratch the better we can make the dev setup for non-nokians | 20:13 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: you can probably send some command to the battery management entity | 20:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or maybe you can change the usb mode through that api | 20:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but since the N9 requires charge in order to charge (nice design there), this could be a dangerous idea | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | someone turns it on, leaves the phone sitting around, 100% discharge | 20:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though charging from usb too much could shorten the life of the battery by a lot, requiring N9 surgery to replace it, and that's dangerous too | 20:23 |
| itsnotabigtruck | though the batteries are cheap - apparently they go for about $20 | 20:23 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | i suppose it would turn itself off before it gets catastrophically discharged though | 20:27 |
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| pa | thats why i wanted to disable usb data chargin | 20:34 |
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| gabriel9 | evening | 20:39 |
| gabriel9 | i see there is export of contacts | 20:40 |
| gabriel9 | but how to import them? | 20:40 |
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| gabriel9 | is there something new? | 20:41 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | gabriel9: i think somebody made a script for it | 20:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | can't tell you where | 20:45 |
| gabriel9 | hm, i need to reflash i mess thing up | 20:46 |
| gabriel9 | i just need to backup contacts | 20:46 |
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| beford | ot: any japanese speaker? | 20:49 |
| beford | uhm or chinese, I'm not sure | 20:50 |
| gabriel9 | google translate | 20:51 |
| beford | can't figure out how to type those characters | 20:51 |
| gabriel9 | why do you need that? | 20:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so... anybody here knows hjbjh? | 20:54 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: it's working =) | 20:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | though one reboot showed red text "flashing rescue software... wait" but than it's ok | 20:55 |
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| gabriel9 | flashing rescue software | 20:57 |
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| gabriel9 | where didi you saw that' | 20:57 |
| ZogG_laptop | on boot when nokia logo in middle, the text was on side | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | red one | 20:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | i updated with adding repo of 001 and apt-get install mp-harmattan-001-pr (meta package of firmware). BUT DO NOT RECOMMEND TO DO IT, till you know what ya doing and can resolv conflicts =) | 21:01 |
| gabriel9 | ok, i will not use it :) | 21:01 |
| gabriel9 | did anyone of ypu installed openJDK on N9? | 21:02 |
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| ZogG_laptop | how do you insert you name in recognition? | 21:05 |
| gabriel9 | what name? | 21:09 |
| gabriel9 | :D | 21:09 |
| gabriel9 | also check this dude | 21:09 |
| gabriel9 | http://www.facebook.com/xranby | 21:09 |
| gabriel9 | he done some nice stuff with his N9 | 21:10 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: no need to do that now that the flasher image was released last night | 21:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you did it hard-mode :p | 21:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | there was no image than | 21:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i'm well aware of that | 21:20 |
| itsnotabigtruck | struggled with that all yesterday because i wasn't aware they'd release it just a few hours later | 21:20 |
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| gri | Hmm, does youtube or google work for anyone here? Can't open them on any device in this house anymore since 10 minutes :( | 21:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | is it released? or navitfirm app or what's it's name? | 21:24 |
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| jpwhiting | hmm, update keeps failing here, it downloaded the update and starts "Updating" but never gets past 0% | 21:35 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: have you removed the external repositories, if any ? | 21:36 |
| jpwhiting | no, is there a howto for updating somewhere? | 21:36 |
| * jpwhiting didn't realize he needed to do anything special | 21:36 | |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: I am not blaming you :) | 21:37 |
| djszapi | but please try. | 21:37 |
| jpwhiting | just remove them from my sources.list? | 21:37 |
| djszapi | comment should be enough | 21:37 |
| jpwhiting | ok, I commented out kde.list | 21:38 |
| jpwhiting | still have filemanager.list, meecatalog.list and osa.list | 21:38 |
| jpwhiting | and aegis.ssu-keyring-001.list | 21:39 |
| jpwhiting | do I need to comment out any of those others? | 21:39 |
| djszapi | I would do that with everything non-stock. | 21:39 |
| jpwhiting | that's what I'm asking, is any of this stock? | 21:39 |
| jpwhiting | I don't recall adding any of these except kde.list | 21:39 |
| jpwhiting | meecatalog.list probably got added when I installed meecatalog from ovi store, eh? | 21:40 |
| djszapi | everything is non-stock apart from osa and aegis | 21:40 |
| jpwhiting | and it's empty anyway... hm | 21:40 |
| jpwhiting | ok, perfect, /me tries | 21:41 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: do I need to do anything after commenting them out? it's still stuck at 0% (but not failing like it used to) | 21:48 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: it is the updating phase ? | 21:48 |
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| djszapi | or the downloading ? | 21:49 |
| jpwhiting | updating | 21:49 |
| jpwhiting | I believe it got the whole download yesterday | 21:49 |
| djszapi | then no worries | 21:49 |
| jpwhiting | k, thanks :) | 21:49 |
| djszapi | it is really slow with doing the initial progressbar update | 21:49 |
| djszapi | at least for my updates, it was. | 21:49 |
| jpwhiting | doh, now it says Update interrupted | 21:49 |
| jpwhiting | like it used to | 21:49 |
| djszapi | and fwiw, the update is general heftily slow. | 21:50 |
| * jpwhiting hits try again | 21:50 | |
| djszapi | generally* | 21:50 |
| jpwhiting | ah, ok | 21:50 |
| djszapi | have you checked the apt cache ? | 21:51 |
| djszapi | whether it downloaded everything properly ? | 21:51 |
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| jpwhiting | djszapi: no, how do I do that? | 21:53 |
| djszapi | ls /var/cache/apt/.. | 21:55 |
| jpwhiting | /var/cache/apt/archives has quite a bit | 21:56 |
| jpwhiting | and /var/cache/apt has pkgcache.bin pkgcache.bin.read and srcpkgcache.bin | 21:56 |
| djszapi | unfortunately, I have no precise idea | 21:57 |
| jpwhiting | k, no problem | 21:57 |
| djszapi | I do not know what is happening inthe background of an update process. | 21:57 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jpwhiting: flash it | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the .bin image is out | 22:19 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the solution to everyone's ssu problems is "don't use ssu" | 22:20 |
| jpwhiting | meh its at 43% now | 22:20 |
| jpwhiting | itsnotabigtruck: the bin is out where? | 22:20 |
| Swerige | NaviFirm | 22:21 |
| jpwhiting | gotcha | 22:21 |
| djszapi | jpwhiting: you might not wanna lose the warranty | 22:22 |
| djszapi | especially if it is already 43^ | 22:22 |
| djszapi | 43% | 22:22 |
| jpwhiting | djszapi: yep just waiting | 22:22 |
| * djszapi prefers figuring out the root cause of the issue instead of recommending the warranty void action to everybody | 22:23 | |
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| jonni | afaik, nobody has lost warranty (as long as havent tried to switch your variant), and you can use NSU to flash the .bin if you think that 3rd party sw somehow corrupts the warranty of the same files that NSU uses. | 22:41 |
| djszapi | it is not me thinking that | 22:42 |
| djszapi | it is a Nokia rule, read the flasher output. | 22:42 |
| jonni | it says "may", it doesnt say that it does | 22:42 |
| djszapi | and NSU is not available for Linux anyway, so certainly a pain more many people here. | 22:42 |
| jonni | and the may imho means that if you screw and try to flash wrong variant | 22:42 |
| djszapi | for* | 22:42 |
| djszapi | no | 22:43 |
| djszapi | that is your interpretation | 22:43 |
| djszapi | the "may" means, anything goes wrong, you lost it | 22:43 |
| Jeffrey04 | djszapi: if one has windows image, he can perform the update via virtualbox | 22:44 |
| djszapi | the thing is that many people do not have windows in the first place. | 22:44 |
| djszapi | legal windows, that is | 22:44 |
| Jeffrey04 | lol, ok | 22:44 |
| djszapi | nor the sake for bothering with virtualbox and windows | 22:45 |
| djszapi | so I would rather put the effort into figuring out the reasons behind the update fail | 22:45 |
| djszapi | there even might be a general reason... | 22:45 |
| jonni | djszapi: well all the people that I know that have screwed their device with flasher, have gotten their device fixed in warranty, so saying that you lost it 100% of cases is wrong. | 22:45 |
| jonni | for my CE N9 update failure on monday, I already know the reason, same bug/feature that was in pr1.0->pr1.1 update | 22:46 |
| djszapi | jonni: nobody said it is 100% | 22:47 |
| djszapi | as I said here on this channel many times, it is "may" | 22:47 |
| djszapi | meaning that it is possible you lose. | 22:47 |
| djszapi | this is really my last recommendation, if any. | 22:47 |
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| VladNistor | Hello. I seem to have some weird variant on my N9, with Orange Romania RO Black V1 16GB (R059N278) and I haven't gotten the OTA PR1.2 update. Do you think it would be ok to flash some other variant for Black 16GB, like Central E (059J203)? Could this render the device useless you think? | 22:49 |
| jonni | you should wait for update for your variant, you should not try to change your variant. just be patient | 22:50 |
| VladNistor | Thanks. I have that account corrupting bug, it's happened 3 times already. I don't want to have to redo the whole device a 4th time :( | 22:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: what's bad on changing? | 22:51 |
| jonni | ZogG_laptop: well warranty void. | 22:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~flash | 22:52 |
| infobot | i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 22:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni was a good man, lalallala =) | 22:52 |
| VladNistor | So i'd rather just flash pr1.2 now than wait for ages for them to make this available and redo the phone 2 more times while i wait | 22:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh my god, i can use oauth now \o/ | 22:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | frals: ping | 22:53 |
| VladNistor | can the n9 be locked in a network? Maybe that's why it's taking them longer to get this out. | 22:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | wtf?! | 23:17 |
| Swerige | :O ???!!!??? | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | netsplit | 23:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hah | 23:18 |
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| djszapi | qronic: ping | 23:28 |
| jonni | party, qtonpi vouchers arrived... next thing to hope for is to wait for pi to appear on the shop. | 23:30 |
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| * djszapi dislikes the QtCreator or Fedore14 limitations | 23:31 | |
| djszapi | I personally prefer the playbook thingie better than pi | 23:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | eh?? | 23:38 |
| leinir | Well, i like bananas better than rice pudding, but that doesn't mean they're comparable in any real sense | 23:39 |
| djszapi | not sure what you mean .. | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I'm suffering hypoglycemia | 23:39 |
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| djszapi | I can have a preference for a project with which I prefer to spend my time with, right ? | 23:40 |
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| * itsnotabigtruck was confused after first seeing 'qtonpi' :p | 23:40 | |
| djszapi | xD | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | oh, so you've seen that too? | 23:41 |
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| jreznik | djszapi: what's wrong with qt creator on f14 :) /me uses the same combo | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Hmm. | 23:42 |
| djszapi | jreznik: I do not use Fedora, and I heavily dislike QtCreator. | 23:42 |
| SpeedEvil | Playbook is being dumped at comparatively low prices in the UK. | 23:43 |
| djszapi | this is not what they promised at FOSDEM ... | 23:43 |
| SpeedEvil | http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/blackberry-tablets/889_7505_70535_6663_xx/xx-criteria.html?srcid=198&cmpid=ppc~gg~Generic_HW_Tablets_BB_Playbook~Blackberry_PlayBook_Exact~Generic&mctag=gg_goog_7904&gclid=CKvs4c3Rwa4CFYImtAodVyi0BQ | 23:43 |
| jreznik | djszapi: heh, so I wrongly interpreted "dislikes the QtCreator or Fedore14 limitations" :) | 23:43 |
| djszapi | jreznik: yes, you understood it as a QtCreator limitation on Fedora15 | 23:43 |
| djszapi | FEdora14* | 23:43 |
| djszapi | but the thing is that they promised for us at FOSDEM we can develop for it without QtCreator, and not just for Fedora14 | 23:44 |
| jreznik | ah, yeah, I remember that | 23:45 |
| * djszapi is kinda disappointed | 23:45 | |
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