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| gabriel9 | omg i need to stop watching politics, my hart is in pains | 00:01 |
| gabriel9 | nm, can anyone tell me what cable do i need to get tv output? | 00:01 |
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| rZr | gabriel9: on n9 ? is it the same on n950 ? | 00:57 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Just watched w00t's PlayBook QML video. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Dang. | 04:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Looks slick as hell. | 04:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | who on earth is w00t...that explains why Sazpaimon was all "w00t's not here" :p | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | Robin Burchell | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | He kicks ass. | 04:30 |
| GeneralAntilles | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJhMhhnqGo | 04:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mOXGKTE30M this song kicks more ass :p | 04:32 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | so has nokia said anything interesting at mwc yet? | 05:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nm, it starts tomorrow | 05:00 |
| GeneralAntilles | 3 AM EST | 05:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what kind of trade show starts on a monday...usually they start on friday and continue over the weekend | 05:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess this way it maximizes days off for the people involved :p | 05:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, CES went from tuesday to friday | 05:02 |
| GeneralAntilles | Most trade shows are weekdays. | 05:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i was generalizing from only a couple examples | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | meh | 05:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/26/viewsonics-viewphone-4e-hands-on-video/ hmm, looks suspiciously like a lumia | 05:07 |
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| Jare | haha, and before that one there was already the new lg prada k2 http://www.technobuffalo.com/mobile-devices/phones/lg-prada-k2-lg-prada-3-leaks-ahead-of-unveiling-later-today/ | 05:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jare: that just looks like a regular old android phone | 05:18 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's the colored body that does it | 05:18 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | http://store.ovi.com/content/257297 lol @ ovi allowing this in | 06:58 |
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| leinir | itsnotabigtruck: not available for my country, it says - what is it? | 08:59 |
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| mece | hello | 09:33 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | leinir: it's an app that enables ad-hoc wifi | 09:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | required for joikuspot | 09:47 |
| leinir | Right :) | 09:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the N9 turns ad-hoc off if it detects you're on a US cell phone network during boot | 09:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the point though is that such an app isn't exactly 100% kosher but nokia let it in anyway | 09:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also a toggle app isn't the most elegant way to do it... | 09:48 |
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| gabriel9|work | noka mwc finished no MeeGo phone in sight :/ | 10:35 |
| gabriel9|work | heh, and i was hoping to see one | 10:35 |
| gabriel9|work | today is gone be shity day | 10:35 |
| leinir | Well, with the meego project winding down at Nokia, yeah, that wouldn't be likely | 10:37 |
| leinir | There was a very tiny potential for a successor to Series 40 being announced, but... yeah, also not exactly likely, as it's be mixing up their messaging down there | 10:38 |
| gabriel9|work | well we now have ourselfs | 10:38 |
| gabriel9|work | and N9 | 10:39 |
| matrixx | and better yet, N950 ;) | 10:40 |
| auenf | no sign of meltemini (sp?) yet? | 10:41 |
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| matrixx | nope | 10:41 |
| auenf | but a symbian belle device announced :P | 10:42 |
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| gri | mhm, I was too late for the webcast, only saw the last two questions :) | 10:43 |
| jreznik | but 41 megapixels? why :) | 10:46 |
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| auenf | cause its better than anything else :P | 10:48 |
| gri | why not 42? | 10:49 |
| gabriel9|work | matrixx: well you have n950 | 10:49 |
| gabriel9|work | i dont :( | 10:49 |
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| gabriel9|work | so no happy for me | 10:49 |
| matrixx | :( | 10:49 |
| gabriel9|work | but i pay 500€ N9 | 10:50 |
| gabriel9|work | that is two paycheck | 10:50 |
| gabriel9|work | XD | 10:50 |
| leinir | gri: http://live.theverge.com/Event/Nokia_MWC_2012_event :) | 10:50 |
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| gri | leinir: Thank you, really nothing interesting :( My interest has been catched by "Ubuntu for Android" :) | 10:57 |
| * jreznik talks to my contact about the possibility to get a few n950/n9 for our openmobility devel competition :) the only condition is to come to prague to our conference to pick up potential prize :) if anybody interested, stay tuned :) | 11:00 | |
| gabriel9|work | yes they show us nothing | 11:01 |
| gabriel9|work | anyone wish to make me happy and give me n950 :D | 11:01 |
| gabriel9|work | no matter, i will buy spark :P | 11:01 |
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| * djszapiN9 is now a Certified Qt Specialist yay :) | 11:09 | |
| Appiah | congrats | 11:09 |
| jreznik | djszapiN9: congrats! | 11:11 |
| * jreznik is not - missing qt essential exam, has both advanced ones | 11:12 | |
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| AWasisto | Is it possible to port FCam API for N9? | 11:23 |
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| gabriel9 | djszapiN9: congrats :) | 11:24 |
| leinir | djszapiN9: about time! ;) | 11:25 |
| leinir | (also, congrats :) ) | 11:25 |
| matrixx | djszapiN9: congrats! | 11:25 |
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| djszapi | thanks, I am happy. :) | 11:28 |
| matrixx | yey, 1.2 ota update available :) | 11:32 |
| matrixx | for n9 that is | 11:32 |
| * jreznik is checking | 11:33 | |
| jreznik | wow, it's there! | 11:33 |
| leinir | hmm... not on mine yet it seems... :) | 11:34 |
| djszapi | matrixx: accidentally, I think, even PR1.3 was available | 11:35 |
| djszapi | yesterday, I was like wth :D | 11:35 |
| matrixx | oh :D | 11:35 |
| jreznik | it's 20.2012.07-1 | 11:35 |
| matrixx | leinir: did you check the updates manually? | 11:35 |
| leinir | *nods* i've got one of the norwegian devices they handed out at devdays munich, might take a little longer for that :) | 11:36 |
| matrixx | :) | 11:36 |
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| jreznik | ah sorry, 30.2012.07-1 | 11:38 |
| jreznik | djszapi: do you know if it's 1.2 or 1.3? | 11:38 |
| djszapi | jreznik: wait a second... I am sort of pissed off by the Nokia SDK team atm ... | 11:38 |
| djszapi | they do not give too much shit for us :/ | 11:39 |
| djszapi | (us = community) | 11:39 |
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| jreznik | djszapi: yep, I know, I'm reading this channel :( | 11:39 |
| matrixx | it's 1.2 | 11:40 |
| matrixx | so if there ever has been accidentally 1.3, it's not there anymore | 11:40 |
| djszapi | except my phone :P | 11:41 |
| jreznik | ok | 11:41 |
| CissWit | i've got the PR 1.1 ota yesterday, wonder when i will have the 1.2 :) | 11:41 |
| djszapi | jreznik: yes, the only missing line from the public documentation: "We do not give a shit to the community, dot." | 11:41 |
| matrixx | djszapi: lucky you :P | 11:42 |
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| djszapi | we have 38 votes on a bug, and they do not even fix it up. | 11:42 |
| djszapi | I cannot believe, it is for real. | 11:43 |
| djszapi | :( | 11:43 |
| matrixx | though I don't want any half-baked updates for my N9, so 1.2 is just fine :) | 11:43 |
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| gabriel9|work | 1.2 also on my device is aviable :) | 11:45 |
| gabriel9|work | day is not so shity anymore :) | 11:46 |
| gabriel9|work | damn his web programming | 11:46 |
| gabriel9|work | i want C++ | 11:46 |
| CissWit | do C++ CGI. | 11:46 |
| gabriel9|work | swit jisus, that is to much for my kind of projects | 11:46 |
| CissWit | ^^ | 11:47 |
| gabriel9|work | Zend Framework rules | 11:47 |
| djszapi | why is it so slow to update btw ? | 11:47 |
| djszapi | ten times slower than a simple reflash | 11:47 |
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| matrixx | was a bit worried for a while, after staying over 5 minutes on 0% (again) | 11:48 |
| gabriel9|work | wait, there is lot of people who download it | 11:48 |
| gabriel9|work | i will do my tonight :) | 11:48 |
| mgedmin | ~update | 11:48 |
| infobot | methinks update is http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/25/harmattan-1.2-beta-now-available-as-ocf-for-nokia-n950 | 11:48 |
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| matrixx | I got it downloaded, it's the installation phase which is slow | 11:49 |
| matrixx | but now in 16% already :) | 11:49 |
| djszapi | matrixx: it is not just about the initial progressbar update. | 11:49 |
| djszapi | it is really very slow to get it actually updated in comparison with the flashing. | 11:50 |
| djszapi | not sure why. | 11:50 |
| djszapi | at least here. | 11:50 |
| djszapi | did not measure, but it was at least half an hour, I think. | 11:50 |
| gabriel9|work | should i remove some apps which will conflict with 1.2 | 11:50 |
| gabriel9|work | home screen seting, or live calenrad icon | 11:51 |
| jreznik | actually I have a problems downloading on wifi but it's usually good on 3g | 11:52 |
| deram | is there yet flashable image somewhere, if anything goes wrong with ota? | 11:55 |
| djszapi | jreznik: yeah, 3g worked here. | 11:56 |
| djszapi | (at least for the downloading) | 11:56 |
| djszapi | matrixx: yes, you are right, that was my first thinking too. It is probably not that thoroughly tested as the PR1.2. so I will downgrade it, too. | 12:00 |
| matrixx | I hope there is some official ways to downfrade :| | 12:01 |
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| matrixx | *downgrade | 12:01 |
| mgedmin | downgrade? isn't that impossible on a n9? | 12:02 |
| Aard | it works with r&d-certificates ;) | 12:02 |
| djszapi | matrixx: there is no official, but as a security expert, I may have something in the bag :P | 12:02 |
| mgedmin | all users are equal, but some are more equal than others | 12:02 |
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| denism | mgedmin: users with 'R&D certificates' are not users | 12:03 |
| * mgedmin recalls some older "if you know what a bugtracker is, you're not a user" discussions | 12:04 | |
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| djszapi | it is not an R&D device, got it at the dev days, and was updated once to PR1.1 | 12:08 |
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| djszapi | jreznik: yes, that week version is the PR1.2 apparently: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/video-call.jpg | 12:13 |
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| decibyte | omg! is it really xmas today? | 12:14 |
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| SpeedEvil | No, that was two days ago. | 12:15 |
| matrixx | yey, update successful! | 12:15 |
| decibyte | SpeedEvil: haha | 12:15 |
| djszapi | leinir: it is sort of expected you do not have it yet because they spread it first in Scandinavia. | 12:16 |
| djszapi | should be in the UK soon :) | 12:16 |
| miroslav | Darn, I am waiting for it :-) | 12:16 |
| alterego | lol | 12:17 |
| decibyte | yeah! it's there! | 12:17 |
| alterego | Cool | 12:19 |
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| Appiah | is there offical changelog somewhere for PR1.2 ? | 12:26 |
| djszapi | not sure about an official one.. | 12:28 |
| CissWit | a/win f-f | 12:29 |
| CissWit | arf sorry | 12:29 |
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| djszapi | wasn't/isn't it in the notification area what are the improvements ? | 12:29 |
| djszapi | I would personally like to see the changelog before updating. | 12:29 |
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| decibyte | it recommends a backup. is it necessary or just in case? | 12:33 |
| djszapi | does not hurt to make one :) | 12:33 |
| Appiah | it hurts not to have backup when it's needed | 12:33 |
| decibyte | djszapi: of course not. it's just that it seems unable to create a backup. stops at ~40% | 12:34 |
| djszapi | at least I hope making backup is not a broken functionality :) | 12:34 |
| djszapi | decibyte: be patient. | 12:34 |
| djszapi | it is a typical t hing, progressbar stops altogether | 12:34 |
| djszapi | in other cases, too. | 12:34 |
| decibyte | okay. where can i download the patience app? | 12:34 |
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| Appiah | haha | 12:41 |
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| decibyte | djszapi: so, does 20+ minutes still require more patience? | 12:55 |
| djszapi | yes, of course. | 12:55 |
| decibyte | :/ | 12:55 |
| djszapi | I would wait at least one hour ... since it is about backup which is a very important thing ... | 12:56 |
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| decibyte | djszapi: but there's almost no load in the device. seems to do absolutely nothing. | 13:04 |
| djszapi | well, then complain :) | 13:05 |
| jreznik | heh, something is wrong - it's really sloooow | 13:05 |
| decibyte | haha. i am now. | 13:05 |
| decibyte | but i'll give it an hour then | 13:05 |
| djszapi | I would complain only in one hour | 13:06 |
| djszapi | but that is just me. | 13:06 |
| djszapi | jreznik: the update is ultra sloooooow as I said :) | 13:06 |
| decibyte | i'll wait another ½ hour | 13:06 |
| djszapi | I wonder why, even a full reflash is faster. | 13:06 |
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| jreznik | djszapi: no, after update | 13:06 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 13:06 |
| jreznik | maybe it was still indexing something, tracker etc. - now it works nice | 13:09 |
| djszapi | jreznik: as for me it was okay after the update. How long was the update for you ? | 13:10 |
| djszapi | how many MBs did it download btw ? | 13:10 |
| jreznik | approx 290 or something similar | 13:11 |
| jreznik | no, it's still somehow laggy - swipe is about 10 fps... | 13:11 |
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| miroslav | Is there already a link for the full reflash download? | 13:25 |
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| djszapi | prolly not. | 13:27 |
| miroslav | Too bad. | 13:32 |
| miroslav | Leaving for a 4 day trip tonight, I would rather download it before :-) | 13:32 |
| qronic | what happens to N950 owners? are they gonna get full PR1.2 of they eventually will get PR1.3 beta? | 13:33 |
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| rZr | djszapi: so was it easy ? | 13:43 |
| djszapi | rZr: it was simpler for me than the essential. | 13:44 |
| rZr | djszapi: i am currious to check is public ? | 13:44 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 13:45 |
| rZr | the exam | 13:46 |
| rZr | i am curious to see the questions | 13:46 |
| djszapi | no, it is not ... the person, taking the exam, is not even allowed to disclose any questions... | 13:46 |
| rZr | ok | 13:47 |
| rZr | next subject : https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=978 | 13:47 |
| _MeeGoBot_ | Bug 978 maj, High, ---, ext-lavanya.alamuri, ASSI, Platform SDK repository lacks APT signature - incompatible with PR1.2 | 13:47 |
| rZr | btw | 13:49 |
| * rZr http://rzr.online.fr/q/redak# redak : #TexT #EditoR for #MeeGo #HarmattaN is alpha stage but more fingers friendly than #vi @n950club / #n9 | 13:49 | |
| Tronic | How about a good terminal program? | 13:55 |
| Tronic | I recall there was some open source effort at that (mgterminal?) but I haven't heard anything of it recently. | 13:56 |
| djszapi | terminal != editor | 13:56 |
| djszapi | but yes, there was a source code friendly editor in plan. IIRC khteditor ? | 13:56 |
| * Tronic doesn't need an editor. | 13:56 | |
| djszapi | rZr: what is the advantage of this to khteditor ? | 13:58 |
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| Tronic | In the current firmware the Nokia terminal is awfully buggy (rotation / vkbds) and it doesn't support URL clicking. | 13:59 |
| djszapi | rotation/vkbd works here. | 13:59 |
| tabasko | so, it would be tomorrow Nokia pushes upgrade to Harmattan? :) | 14:02 |
| kozzi | is it nornal that tools dialog now have a dark frane aroynd them? | 14:02 |
| kozzi | in the pr1.2 | 14:02 |
| Tronic | There are multiple bugs on N950 that are difficult to explain, and these appeared with the PR1.2 beta firmware. | 14:02 |
| tabasko | kozzi: where did you get pr1.2 already? :P ::drool | 14:02 |
| kozzi | Finland this morning | 14:03 |
| Tronic | kozzi: Which device? | 14:03 |
| kozzi | n9 64gb black | 14:03 |
| decibyte | djszapi: how should i feel about this? http://blackfin.cannedtuna.org/partial-backup.png | 14:03 |
| tabasko | kozzi: my n9 doesnt know about 1.2 yet :/ | 14:03 |
| kozzi | go to appkucation manager | 14:04 |
| kozzi | and do an update | 14:04 |
| kozzi | that s how I got mine | 14:04 |
| kozzi | application, | 14:05 |
| matrixx | the update removes appsformeego client and repository apparently :( | 14:05 |
| tabasko | kozzi: wohoo, thanks :P | 14:05 |
| tabasko | I should have tried that | 14:05 |
| kozzi | np :) | 14:05 |
| tabasko | kozzi: did you have any tweaks enabled, like landscape, faster animations? | 14:06 |
| kozzi | yup, i have faster animations | 14:06 |
| kozzi | all gone | 14:06 |
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| tabasko | nah, I hope it is worth it :) | 14:07 |
| kozzi | I'm glad that statusbar clock tweak still work | 14:07 |
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| tabasko | I have waited for those folders soo long | 14:08 |
| kozzi | i have been waiting for copy paste | 14:10 |
| kozzi | and glad that it works nicely | 14:10 |
| matrixx | I love the folders stuff, now all icons are visible without panning :) | 14:10 |
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| kozzi | I hope that someone will implement DLNA to the share feature | 14:13 |
| Corsac | pft, my n9 is in warranty repair :( | 14:14 |
| kozzi | imagine sending a media file to the tv without touching tv remote would be awesome | 14:14 |
| * jreznik has tried DLNA with PS3 - I can list device files but that's all | 14:16 | |
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| marsje | does anyone here use IMAP? I was wondering how I can have N9 save sent items in a Sent folder | 14:19 |
| rZr | back | 14:19 |
| rZr | 12:57 < djszapi> rZr: what is the advantage of this to khteditor ? | 14:19 |
| rZr | that one start | 14:19 |
| * jreznik likes how n9 is not amoled friendly | 14:20 | |
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| mgedmin | amoled friendly? what's that? | 14:21 |
| decibyte | can anybody help me clear this out: http://blackfin.cannedtuna.org/partial-backup.png -- is the right interpretation that the backup process itself fucked up and nothing probably got backed up? | 14:22 |
| RST38h | he means light theme | 14:23 |
| RST38h | which of course can be switched to the dark theme | 14:23 |
| jreznik | mgedmin: black backgrounds in app manager and other places - should help battery... | 14:23 |
| jreznik | and woo, mfe sync works again for me | 14:24 |
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| Corsac | marsje: it does that by default but there was bug in selecting the (remote) sent folder so sometimes it failed to detect it and used a local one | 14:27 |
| Corsac | marsje: it's supposed to be better in pr1.2 but I can't test :( | 14:28 |
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| djszapi | rZr: what do you mean ? | 14:30 |
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| phako | jreznik: images should work at least | 14:33 |
| phako | jreznik: DLNA + PS3 | 14:33 |
| phako | jreznik: videos + audio are a bit more complext | 14:34 |
| phako | -t | 14:34 |
| rZr | djszapi: ktheditor is not supporting current firmware AFAIK | 14:34 |
| djszapi | rZr: why not make it work instead of reinventing ? :) | 14:35 |
| djszapi | afair, it had cool syntax highlighting and other features. | 14:35 |
| jreznik | phako: nothing worked at all but I'll try to retest with current 1.2 | 14:36 |
| phako | jreznik: with what else did you try? | 14:36 |
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| gri | does anyone here see a sense in porting applications back to maemo5? Should I try or let it be? :) | 14:36 |
| jreznik | phako: some older 1.2 on n950 | 14:36 |
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| phako | jreznik: odd. we test against PS3 regularly. | 14:36 |
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| jreznik | phako: ah, I'll try it again later today - any possibility to get a debug logs etc. to help you in case it wouldn't work? | 14:38 |
| phako | jreznik: a tcpdump would be nice if possible | 14:39 |
| phako | which I rather doubt on release images | 14:40 |
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| jreznik | and to get logs from ps3... :) | 14:40 |
| phako | well just checked, works for me. What firmware has your PS3? | 14:43 |
| djszapi | gri: why not to diablo ? :) | 14:46 |
| marsje | Corsac: I'm eagerly awaiting pr1.2 then... | 14:46 |
| gri | djszapi: Too old and I don't have a phone with that | 14:46 |
| djszapi | would be way more fun :D | 14:46 |
| gri | djszapi: I would also try a symbian port but Qt Ambassador has not sent me a device yet | 14:46 |
| jreznik | phako: ok, I'll check it with n9 and latest ps3 firmware (updated yesterday) | 14:47 |
| gabriel9|work | update is slow :/ | 14:48 |
| djszapi | +1 | 14:48 |
| gabriel9|work | just sit there on 0% | 14:49 |
| djszapi | gabriel9|work: it jumped to 22% at some point here. | 14:49 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 14:49 |
| djszapi | so please be patient :) | 14:49 |
| gabriel9|work | well it is going and i am happy | 14:49 |
| * gri has no update, norway product code does not seem to have received it yet :) | 14:50 | |
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| leinir | gri: yeah, they're number 9 in the series of devices that gets updates... PR1.1_009 ;) | 14:57 |
| rZr | gri: so you know a bit symbian ? | 14:58 |
| rZr | gri: i'll need to figure out how to sign stuff etc | 14:58 |
| gri | rZr: No, never had a symbian phone nor I do know anyone with one :) | 14:58 |
| rZr | 1st to make sure publishing a free opensource app , will it cost money ? | 14:59 |
| Sazpaimon | I kinda want that Nokia 808 | 14:59 |
| rZr | gri: i can test your stuff on e7 if its opensouce | 14:59 |
| Sazpaimon | even if it is symbian | 14:59 |
| xmlich02 | in my case is the update interrupting )-; | 14:59 |
| Sazpaimon | that's an awesome looking device | 14:59 |
| rZr | no hw kb | 15:00 |
| rZr | well i am gone later guys | 15:00 |
| gri | rZr: publishing should be the same as for harmattan - 1 € for account creation, that's it? | 15:00 |
| Sazpaimon | rZr, its an N8 successor | 15:01 |
| rZr | harmattan doesnt rely on ovi | 15:01 |
| Sazpaimon | and a damn sexy one at that | 15:01 |
| Sazpaimon | unless you werent talking to me whnoops | 15:01 |
| rZr | later | 15:02 |
| alterego | Erm, something has caused my personal N9 to go into warranty void mode. | 15:04 |
| alterego | ffs | 15:04 |
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| alterego | Well, at least it's still running .. | 15:06 |
| gabriel9|work | 69% :) | 15:11 |
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| alterego | I think this is going to need a reflash. | 15:15 |
| alterego | I'm getting the warranty void warning and a load of my apps don't have icons. | 15:15 |
| gabriel9|work | i hope my will be ok | 15:16 |
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| alterego | I'm sure it's because I'm a freak :P | 15:16 |
| Appiah | warranty void mode? what? | 15:17 |
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| merlin1991 | silly translation width errors | 15:23 |
| merlin1991 | the dowanloading text overlaps with the mb counter in a german locale | 15:23 |
| gabriel9|work | all is ok, but slow | 15:27 |
| gabriel9|work | nice sine wallpapers | 15:27 |
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| decibyte | is it possible to do the update via the terminal? e.g. apt-get? | 15:30 |
| xmlich02 | The update is not working for me. I have seen about 20 times error message "device update interrupted" )-; (it is not working via gprs nor via wifi) | 15:35 |
| flux | decibyte, the wisdom is: don't do it | 15:35 |
| flux | decibyte, apt-get doesn't do the same things as the system upgrade tool does | 15:35 |
| decibyte | i get the same error as xmlich02, but it's after download, during actual update (that stays at 0%) | 15:35 |
| decibyte | flux: i won't then :) thanks. | 15:35 |
| decibyte | it's been at 0% for a long time now, without ther "interrupted" message. guess that's a good sign. | 15:36 |
| flux | I'm planning to reboot my device before doing the update.. | 15:37 |
| xmlich02 | I have seen also message, can't complete the download. Connection to the application provider was lost. Try again later. | 15:37 |
| decibyte | interrupted again :( | 15:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what is "the update" | 15:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | PR1.2? | 15:38 |
| flux | yes | 15:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yep | 15:38 |
| jreznik | xmlich02: servers are probably overloaded... it's good to be the first updater :) I see it while updating the games as slow it is now | 15:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ffs, it's not on navifirm | 15:39 |
| jreznik | it's ota only | 15:39 |
| rdnzl | decibyte: same here :/ | 15:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jreznik: that's not good enough since that means i'm hosed if i need to flash :( | 15:41 |
| gabriel9|work | do we have video calls now? | 15:44 |
| gabriel9|work | any video calls? :) | 15:44 |
| qronic | decibyte, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=34671#post34671 | 15:45 |
| qronic | it helped me out | 15:45 |
| qronic | damn, just got a scary red warning about interruptinted update on 56% | 15:48 |
| mece | uh oh | 15:48 |
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| qronic | not it's "rescuing software update" in red on nokia logo | 15:48 |
| qronic | WTH? | 15:48 |
| qronic | now "it's configuring all packages", still in red on boot screen | 15:51 |
| qronic | some progress indicator would be nice, cause it feels like it's dead | 15:51 |
| torarne | anyone doing 1.2 + openmode yet? | 15:51 |
| qronic | you'd need a 1.2 kernel source first | 15:51 |
| decibyte | qronic: thanks. will try that if it fails again. tried a reboot for now. | 15:54 |
| beford | I think I will wait for 1.2 | 15:54 |
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| alterego | qronic: that happened to me, don't worry about it. | 15:57 |
| qronic | alterego, thanks for info, really hope so | 15:57 |
| qronic | nope, now it MALFs saying "OS update rescue failed too many times" | 15:58 |
| decibyte | ouch | 15:58 |
| qronic | ohhh, gonna remove /var/malf to see if it helps | 15:58 |
| alterego | :/ | 15:59 |
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| CityLights | hi all | 15:59 |
| CityLights | I was just informed I need to update, I ran the update, then the N9 told me it failed, and now, I can't power it up | 16:00 |
| CityLights | what to do? | 16:00 |
| qronic | hm, simple restart helped and it booted successfully, now what do you run, baby? | 16:00 |
| CityLights | is there a restart button? | 16:00 |
| flux | nokia should've simply joined #harmattan to have people beta-test the upgrade. bound to find bugs ;) | 16:00 |
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| flux | oh wait, there are nokia folk on the channel already.. | 16:01 |
| djszapi | beford: hi, needs new test on Mac ;) | 16:01 |
| beford | hi | 16:01 |
| CityLights | I cant even charge my N9 | 16:01 |
| beford | sure | 16:01 |
| CityLights | so I need to send it to nokia? | 16:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CityLights: do you ever get to the NOKIA screen | 16:02 |
| CityLights | no | 16:02 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm. | 16:02 |
| CityLights | hrm? | 16:02 |
| flux | I think most likely the flasher will help. not sure what kind of flashers or images there are available for n9, though.. | 16:02 |
| CityLights | i trun to click the lower right side button | 16:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you might have to do a cold flash | 16:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but if it's a battery power problem that might be an issue | 16:03 |
| CityLights | no battary issue before | 16:03 |
| CityLights | how to cold flash? | 16:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | using the flasher utility, but it's possible your phone is too dead for that | 16:03 |
| CityLights | so I should send it back? | 16:04 |
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| dm8tbr | itsnotabigtruck: only if the battery is dead beyond charging. which doesn't seem to be the case by his description | 16:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well, if you want to go the easy route... | 16:04 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but it might be too far gone for anything you can do yourself so maybe yeah, just warranty it | 16:05 |
| qronic | ok, the bad thing happened, I'm on PR1.2 but kernel haven't updated | 16:05 |
| qronic | nice | 16:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | qronic: just reboot it again | 16:05 |
| CityLights | when I plug in a usb - should it show any sighs of activity? | 16:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | failing that try apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-flasher | 16:05 |
| CityLights | ok, | 16:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | dm8tbr: well, it sounds like something hosed the bootloader | 16:07 |
| itsnotabigtruck | CityLights: go install flasher 3.12.1 for windows | 16:07 |
| qronic | itsnotabigtruck, thanks, though reboot didn't help, I'll try apt-get it manually | 16:07 |
| CityLights | ok, thanks | 16:08 |
| phako | is there a work-around for the QtSDK not finding MDeclarativeCache when I try to build for the device? | 16:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | btw when the kernel is mismatched like that does it show the warranty void screen? | 16:08 |
| CityLights | need to find a windows system | 16:08 |
| qronic | btw /var/cache/apt/archives/ is full of update files, they haven't been purged | 16:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a linux version of it too | 16:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | download that instead | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hmmm | 16:09 |
| qronic | itsnotabigtruck, nope, it doesn't | 16:09 |
| CityLights | o ok | 16:09 |
| CityLights | thanks | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm surprised it even boots with a mismatched kernel, that means mismatched modules, right? | 16:09 |
| itsnotabigtruck | or did those not get upgraded either | 16:09 |
| qronic | current -> 2.6.32.39-dfl61-20113701 | 16:10 |
| qronic | so not updated, too | 16:10 |
| qronic | all 3 kernel* pkgs seems were not updated | 16:10 |
| decibyte | qronic: removing non-official repos. is that by editing the .list files or is there a better way? | 16:11 |
| qronic | I've removed a couple of files I placed there manually | 16:11 |
| decibyte | qronic: i haven't placed anything manually. but i have e.g. the appsformeego and -testing files | 16:12 |
| qronic | move them into /home/user/MyDocs, after update move them back | 16:12 |
| tabasko | brr, my n9 has been stuck about hour at 91% of updating to pr1.2 :/ | 16:17 |
| tabasko | and pr1.2 doesnt seem to be available from navifirm yet | 16:17 |
| qronic | apt-get --reinstall didn't help either, failed on modules install, so I guess that's why kernel haven't been installed too | 16:17 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | who has actually successfully updated their phone | 16:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | because i'm reading a lot of stuff here about upates gone horribly wong :p | 16:25 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hrm /me should stop failing at typing | 16:26 |
| pa | is 1.2 out officially now? | 16:26 |
| jreznik | pa: yep | 16:27 |
| * jreznik already updated, working, a little bit slower now | 16:27 | |
| pa | cool.. is it safe to update, or ppl are exepriencing problems? | 16:27 |
| pa | ah | 16:27 |
| faenil | does anyone know if they're going to talk about meltemi? | 16:27 |
| pa | so the phone goes slower? | 16:27 |
| jreznik | pa: for me yes, I know a few people who feels it same but on the other hands I saw a tweet it's actually faster... so it really depends | 16:28 |
| jreznik | after update it probably runs tracker - so it's really slow | 16:28 |
| pa | whats tracker? | 16:28 |
| gabriel9|work | the one and only :) | 16:28 |
| gabriel9|work | its like DB | 16:28 |
| gabriel9|work | some sort | 16:28 |
| gabriel9|work | indexing files and some other nasty stuff | 16:28 |
| pa | ah ok | 16:29 |
| pa | but it runs it just after the update | 16:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it tracks | 16:29 |
| pa | then no more? | 16:29 |
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| pa | by the way, i have my phone that is branded "telenor". is there any way to remove this branding? like custom apps, custom lock screen and so forth? | 16:30 |
| pa | with this branding it seems the update is still not available | 16:33 |
| qronic | kernel soesn't update no matter what :( | 16:37 |
| qronic | I even got entries on /boot, which is strange | 16:37 |
| qronic | apt-get reinstall w/o any error, aegis is ok, but still.. | 16:37 |
| djszapi | jonni: ping | 16:39 |
| tabasko | pa: well mine is stuck at updating, Im pretty sure if I hard shutdown it now it wont boot anymore :) | 16:40 |
| tabasko | tought I had some tweaks on it, installed apps from unofficial repos etc | 16:40 |
| qronic | installing kernel-modules says this: WARNING: Can't read module backup: No such device | 16:46 |
| qronic | maybe that's the reason? who knows where it tries to backup old modules? | 16:46 |
| qronic | probably yes, cause in the end it's "Copying back old modules." | 16:48 |
| tabasko | ouch, hit poweroff and rebooted now its "Rescuing software update" let see what happens :P | 16:51 |
| tabasko | and it reboots | 16:53 |
| tabasko | and starts same rescue :/ | 16:54 |
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| pa | by the way | 17:03 |
| pa | does N9 browser support java? | 17:03 |
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| Necrosporus | pa, I guess, if you compile OpenJDK, it should, but I do not know for sure | 17:07 |
| pa | ah.. | 17:07 |
| pa | so it's not there by default | 17:07 |
| denism1 | hi, does anybody know what's a proper channel about apps.formeego.com? | 17:08 |
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| Saz|Mobile | is there any way to figure out why my PR1.2 update stays stuck at 0% after downloading and then fails after about 15 minutes | 17:14 |
| qronic | Saz|Mobile, http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=34671#post34671 | 17:15 |
| Saz|Mobile | so remove everything but the aegis repository in sources.list.d and try again, alright | 17:16 |
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| TheBootroo | hi | 17:25 |
| TheBootroo | do you know if, now that PR1.2 is officialy out for N9, we will get it on our N950, i mean OTA, no need to flash ? | 17:26 |
| TheBootroo | because from this morning i tried to refresh refresh refresh in the app manager but no update in sight | 17:27 |
| TheBootroo | and i've too many apps installed on my N950 to flash it, don't want to reinstall everything | 17:27 |
| TheBootroo | (PS: i'm in france) | 17:28 |
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| TheBootroo | Y U NO TALK ? | 17:43 |
| Clint | shh | 17:43 |
| TheBootroo | Clint: wut ? | 17:45 |
| alterego | SHH | 17:51 |
| TheBootroo | WUUUT ? | 17:52 |
| TheBootroo | :p | 17:52 |
| TheBootroo | i'm fuckin retarded :p | 17:52 |
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| rantom | Hmm hmm hmm | 17:56 |
| rantom | Just a quick question: can anyone else open Ovi Store links with Firefox in PR 1.2? I didn't test it in 1.1 (and I mean retail PR, not beta) | 17:57 |
| rantom | To me it just says "Ovi Store is not available for your device"/something like that. I've also set the Fx to be my default browser from the Settings | 17:58 |
| amppa | uh, 1.2 borked my application's ui | 18:01 |
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| amppa | margins around text elements are somehow way too large | 18:02 |
| rantom | And I think it also broke Shortcuts-app | 18:02 |
| rantom | Loads, waits, and then crashes | 18:02 |
| amppa | i think the changed ui is because of the move to use nokia pure as a default font in qml | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | amppa, also the metrics of nokia pure changed (line height is now 2x as large or something like that) | 18:04 |
| amppa | i was already using it, but this has changed ui layouts in other applications that used the old default | 18:04 |
| amppa | mgedmin: ok, good to know. i can predict there will be a bunch of unhappy devs :) | 18:05 |
| Sazpaimon | so am I reading right that the nokia 808 has a full frame sensor? | 18:05 |
| Sazpaimon | thats insane | 18:05 |
| torarne | Sazpaimon: not full frame | 18:05 |
| jreznik | amppa: also the spacing is different | 18:06 |
| Sazpaimon | torarne, where did you read that | 18:06 |
| TheBootroo | only do scalable size items | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | amppa, http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/05/font-change-part-3-flexible-ui-layouts and the two older blog posts linked in the first sentence | 18:06 |
| amppa | nice that it's documented | 18:07 |
| TheBootroo | i don't have this problem : my elements are skinned with a single .qml file named Theme where i list all the color, gradients, sizes, border etc needed by my app, if i want to change one or more, i only modify this file and the whole app stay consistent | 18:07 |
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| amppa | even though now i have to spend some time implementing a version check and fixing the ui in new version | 18:07 |
| TheBootroo | am i the only one who finds the Pure font ugly : way to rounded and way to large, | 18:08 |
| amppa | didn't think i'd have to support multiple versions within one device... | 18:08 |
| TheBootroo | i prefer from far the ubuntu regular ttf, which i think about embedding into my apps, using FontLoader | 18:08 |
| torarne | Sazpaimon: 35mm "full frame" is 36mm x 24mm, the 808 sensor is ~ 30x25mm | 18:08 |
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| TheBootroo | amppa: not speaking about multiple version, only doing scalable items, not fixed size (alway define sizes relative to content, handle wrapping, resizing, rotation etc...) | 18:10 |
| torarne | Sazpaimon: oh, wait, it's way worse | 18:10 |
| TheBootroo | torarne: size doesn't matter that much, | 18:11 |
| TheBootroo | pixel count netiher | 18:11 |
| TheBootroo | the whole thing + good lens + good software + good encoding make the game | 18:11 |
| amppa | TheBootroo: sure, that's what i mostly have, but this is going to affect a bunch of margins | 18:12 |
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| TheBootroo | amppa: not a problem if all is done dynamically | 18:12 |
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| amppa | TheBootroo: i mean, margins between elements in my application. some elements now look much lighter than they used to, and i'll need greater margins between elements to have it look balanced | 18:14 |
| amppa | those i have always defined as fixed pixel sizes | 18:14 |
| TheBootroo | only use a centralized file to hold the margin | 18:15 |
| TheBootroo | that what i do | 18:15 |
| TheBootroo | my Theme.qml has padding and margin values | 18:15 |
| TheBootroo | and small_text_spacing | 18:15 |
| TheBootroo | and all is going well with that | 18:16 |
| amppa | yeah, that would make sense | 18:16 |
| TheBootroo | and for the font size i use a default_fontpxsize: 20 | 18:16 |
| Sazpaimon | is it just me or does PR1.2 make the statusbar do a clicking noise when you touch it | 18:16 |
| amppa | fonts i do have centrally defined. just didn't expect i'd need the same for element margins | 18:17 |
| TheBootroo | and then i derivate from it using in the items default_fontpxsize, or default_fontpxsize * 1.25, or default_fontpxsize * 0.65 etc | 18:17 |
| amppa | since they do differ from element to element | 18:17 |
| TheBootroo | amppa: don't use too many different spacings in the same app, try to use at max 3 or 4 values | 18:17 |
| TheBootroo | makes your app feel more visually suitable | 18:17 |
| Sazpaimon | also what's with the version numbers on some of these updates ending with "m7" | 18:18 |
| amppa | TheBootroo: easier said than done :) | 18:18 |
| amppa | i do consider my app to be very pleasing visually | 18:18 |
| TheBootroo | from my part i use 20px for external big item, 10 for most item internal, 5 px for spacing text | 18:18 |
| torarne | Sazpaimon: the sensor is 1/1.2'', not 1x1.2'', so it would be somewhere around 10.7 x 7.5mm | 18:18 |
| amppa | sometimes that just needs an extra pixel of padding somewhere | 18:18 |
| TheBootroo | amppa: can always be improved ;-) | 18:18 |
| torarne | Sazpaimon: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1046&message=40738912&changemode=1 | 18:19 |
| TheBootroo | amppa: oh and i use a border_size : 1px | 18:19 |
| amppa | for what? | 18:19 |
| TheBootroo | that way if i need to add border to margin, i just have to use this value | 18:19 |
| amppa | ah | 18:19 |
| TheBootroo | so for one inner Rect i used anchors.marging: theme.padding + theme.border_size; | 18:20 |
| amppa | well, anyway. i assume i could set the lineHeight and letterSpacing properties to get the old layout, right? | 18:20 |
| TheBootroo | dunno if text can be tweaked that much in QML | 18:20 |
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| amppa | there are font.letterSpacing and lineHeight in Text element | 18:20 |
| TheBootroo | and the change has been done for one reason: allow others letters sets to be used more comfortably | 18:21 |
| Sazpaimon | torarne, thats still impressive to shove into a phone | 18:22 |
| torarne | Sazpaimon: absolutely :) | 18:22 |
| Sazpaimon | I wonder what kind of imaging processor they put in there | 18:22 |
| Sazpaimon | they cant have the main cpu do all that work | 18:22 |
| Sazpaimon | they have to have a seperate cpu for imaging | 18:22 |
| Sazpaimon | the video capturing is probably dissapointing though | 18:23 |
| Sazpaimon | im guessing 15fps for 1080p | 18:23 |
| merlin1991 | anybody found a way to disable the swipe close sound? | 18:23 |
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| jpwhiting | tbf_: ping | 18:26 |
| tbf_ | jpwhiting, pong | 18:26 |
| jpwhiting | tbf_: I have some questions about telepathy and contactsd, you are the expert on that, no? | 18:26 |
| tbf_ | jpwhiting, somewhat. | 18:27 |
| jpwhiting | I'm developing a connection manager for telepathy, and some attributes are not appearing in contactsd | 18:27 |
| jpwhiting | err, in contacts | 18:27 |
| jpwhiting | I got the nickname and such to appear now, but avatars are never requested | 18:27 |
| jpwhiting | and contacts shows them as empty icons | 18:28 |
| jpwhiting | do you know how contactsd telepathy plugin expects to get avatar data? | 18:28 |
| rantom | Odd. I added Dropbox-account, got nothing | 18:30 |
| rantom | (Accounts - Dropbox) | 18:30 |
| Sazpaimon | on the topic of connecton managers | 18:31 |
| Sazpaimon | does anyone have some sample code on account plugins that utilize signon and telepathy> | 18:32 |
| Sazpaimon | none of the N9 plugins seem to have any code for them available :/ | 18:32 |
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| Sazpaimon | also nokia's public transit directions are completely atrocious | 18:34 |
| jpwhiting | tbf_: any idea which of http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec/Connection_Interface_Avatars.html contactsd telepathy plugin is using to request the avatar token? | 18:34 |
| jpwhiting | GetKnownAvatarTokens is called at the beginning, but my tokens aren't known until the contact list is fetched from the server | 18:35 |
| Sazpaimon | which is funny because philadelphia is one of the markets they advertise for their new public transport program | 18:35 |
| jpwhiting | RequestAvatar and RequestAvatars never get called | 18:35 |
| Sazpaimon | does the new nokia public transport for symbian use different data compard to their regular maps? | 18:35 |
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| jpwhiting | though I do send out AvatarUpdated when I know the token | 18:36 |
| Sazpaimon | jpwhiting, are you using glib or qt | 18:43 |
| tbf_ | jpwhiting, the plugin only asks for the local filename, that's created by libtelepathy-qt when caching the avatar | 18:43 |
| tbf_ | jpwhiting, http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec/Connection_Interface_Avatars.html#Method:RequestAvatars | 18:43 |
| jpwhiting | tbf_: yep, just deleted the cache and found it is calling RequestAvatars after that | 18:43 |
| jpwhiting | Sazpaimon: glib | 18:43 |
| jpwhiting | tp-qt doesn't support creating a cm yet | 18:43 |
| jpwhiting | but will at some point I hear | 18:43 |
| Sazpaimon | i thought it did, it just wraps around glib functions | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon | doesnt it? | 18:44 |
| jpwhiting | no, it doesn't wrap glib functions | 18:44 |
| jpwhiting | and it doesn't have support for implementing your own cm either | 18:44 |
| jpwhiting | or if it does it's not very in depth yet | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon | must be thinking of something else | 18:44 |
| Sazpaimon | maybe accounts-qt | 18:45 |
| jpwhiting | ah, maybe | 18:45 |
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| Sazpaimon | jpwhiting, are you just making a cm or are you making an account plugin too? | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | out of curiosity | 18:46 |
| jpwhiting | we made an account plugin also, but it's just a couple xml files | 18:46 |
| jpwhiting | .provider and .service iirc | 18:46 |
| Sazpaimon | ah so youre just using the generic plugin | 18:46 |
| jpwhiting | yep, exactly | 18:47 |
| Sazpaimon | i have a project I'm sitting on that I need to utilize the signon library to do credential checking before passing it off to telepathy | 18:47 |
| Sazpaimon | and i cant find any good sample code to help me figure it out | 18:47 |
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| tbf_ | <tbf_> jpwhiting, by looking at the tpqt4 code: guess you'll also have to emit AvatarRetrieved() ? | 18:48 |
| tbf_ | jpwhiting: afaik the telepathy plugin only is interested in the avatartoken itself to figure out if there is an avatar at all | 18:48 |
| jpwhiting | we weren't able to find any good examples of using the signon library either | 18:48 |
| tbf_ | jpwhiting: other than that it fully relies on the avatar cache of tpqt4, which seems to be built around RequestAvatars and AvatarDataUpdated | 18:48 |
| tbf_ | Sazpaimon Saviq sandst1 Saviq | 18:48 |
| tbf_ | Sazpaimon, other idea: do you actually announce the FeatureAvatarData feature? | 18:48 |
| jpwhiting | tbf_: yep, I see that now, I do send that out, I think my problem here is that RequestAvatars is called before the tokens are known | 18:49 |
| jpwhiting | I'll get it sorted out though, deleting the cache triggered what I expected before | 18:49 |
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| tbf_ | jpwhiting, cann't you just cache the old avatar tokens? | 18:50 |
| jpwhiting | yeah, I probably should | 18:50 |
| tbf_ | jpwhiting: and update them with real values as soon as you really know them | 18:50 |
| tbf_ | jpwhiting: after all this entire avatar and presence and contactinfo thing is highly async and therefore up-to-date only by chance anyway | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah it would be nice if nokia published the source code for even genericplugin | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon | and some signon-ui examples | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon | but nope | 18:51 |
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| jpwhiting | tbf_: yeah, I found my problem, /me thinks how to fix it | 18:51 |
| Sazpaimon | and i really don't want to do credential checking in the account plugin itself | 18:52 |
| Sazpaimon | thats just a kludge | 18:52 |
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| tbf_ | mardy: can you help Sazpaimon with implementing account plugins? | 18:52 |
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| tbf_ | Sazpaimon: http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon that's not complete? | 18:52 |
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| Sazpaimon | hm | 18:53 |
| Sazpaimon | that signonclient.cpp example might be good to look at | 18:53 |
| tbf_ | Sazpaimon: http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon-oauth2 | 18:54 |
| tbf_ | this seems to be a complete plugin | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon | i was looking at this | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon | http://gitorious.org/accounts-sso/signon/blobs/master/src/example/signonclient.cpp | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon | as more of a UI sample | 18:54 |
| Sazpaimon | because I wanted to abandon my QML-based account plugin | 18:55 |
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| djszapi | jonni: ping | 18:57 |
| jonni | djszapi: pong | 18:58 |
| djszapi | jonni: I localized the issue about the reboot app | 18:58 |
| djszapi | please let us discuss it in private | 18:58 |
| djszapi | I have a very simple workhorse representing the issue :) | 18:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: are you on 1.2 yet? | 19:00 |
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| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, yep | 19:06 |
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| jonni | font change is the biggest change that quite many apps need to fix their layouts. I've already fixed my apps for PR1.2 few feeks ago. | 19:14 |
| itsnotabigtruck | how long did it take for the flash image to arrive for PR1.1 after the initial rollout | 19:15 |
| Sazpaimon | what exactly is the font change | 19:15 |
| jonni | 1-2 weeks or so | 19:15 |
| Sazpaimon | i can see some fonts look different | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon | but i cant see how | 19:16 |
| Sazpaimon | are they just using pure on more places? | 19:16 |
| jonni | it looks about the same, but margins differ a bit | 19:16 |
| jonni | or spacing | 19:16 |
| jonni | like this http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/05/font-change-part-3-flexible-ui-layouts | 19:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 1 or 2 *weeks*? :/ | 19:18 |
| jonni | that was on pr1.1, I have no idea what it will be on pr1.2 | 19:20 |
| Jare | does the backup contain all contacts and messages? | 19:21 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm just worried because sw cert downgrade blocking + no flash image available = really bad combination | 19:22 |
| itsnotabigtruck | better image my phone once i'm done with this | 19:22 |
| Jare | nevermind, found the folder | 19:23 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: yep might sound dangerous, carefull people would not do ssu yet, but wait for few weeks to see if anyone has problems. I ssu'ed today without problems though. | 19:28 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: i'm not worried about the update itself being dangerous, i'm worried about there being no easy way to get back to an operational system if something gets screwed up later | 19:30 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: yep in case of malf, it might be safer to wait for bin and not to ssu yet. | 19:31 |
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| Sazpaimon | I dont understand the price jump between 8GB and 4GB laptop ram | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: density | 19:33 |
| Sazpaimon | I can pay $40 for 2 4GB sticks | 19:33 |
| itsnotabigtruck | higher density = more expensive | 19:33 |
| Sazpaimon | and $90 for 1 8GB stick | 19:33 |
| jonni | heh I dont understand the 100% price jump in 2TB hdd's :=) | 19:33 |
| jpwhiting | hmm, does meego not support bmp file format? | 19:34 |
| jonni | ohwell I can understand that its because of the floods | 19:34 |
| jpwhiting | the avatars I'm getting are bmp, but don't appear | 19:34 |
| jpwhiting | wget on my pc to get the bmp file, it opens on the pc, but then scp onto the N9 it wont open :/ | 19:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmm | 19:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | sup guys | 19:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: wondering about package signatures you post, so now i can't install any deb from net? | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: yeah, you can | 19:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | good | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but you can't install any deb from an APT repository | 19:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | unless that APT repository is a) signed | 19:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | oh, sucks but i use only official and apps4meego | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | b) just right as to not trigger the bug | 19:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | guys, need advice, should i change from 005 to 001? | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and apparently some figures at nokia are pretending this is a security measure, and not a change gone wrong | 19:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so don't get your hopes up for it being corrected | 19:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | wontfix as always | 19:37 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | for example OBS repositories even if unsigned don't trip the bug | 19:38 |
| Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, I changed to 001 for PR1.1 | 19:38 |
| Sazpaimon | no issues with getting PR1.2 | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which is fortunate, because OBS's built-in signing feature doesn't work | 19:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it requires special configuration that the c-obs admins didn't do | 19:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: good, i can do it with nsu as i understand | 19:39 |
| Sazpaimon | I did it OTA | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: don't think you can use NSU to change variants, but you can use flasher | 19:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: how | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but there's no flasher image for 1.2 | 19:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: there is howto in pr1.2 thread | 19:39 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, you can't change to a lower variant, if you aren't upgrading the version at the same time | 19:39 |
| Sazpaimon | ZogG_laptop, I changed to 001 for PR1.1 | 19:39 |
| Sazpaimon | then when PR1.2 came out i just did it OTA | 19:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: how you changed to global? | 19:39 |
| Sazpaimon | just flash it with the global PR1.1 firmware | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so e.g. 1.0 005 -> 1.1 001 is ok | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | using navifirm | 19:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | now i get it | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 1.1 005 -> 1.1 001 is not ok | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | ah yeah | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | because it's going to a lower version number | 19:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw how does it work? | 19:40 |
| Sazpaimon | if you're already on PR1.1 you're out of luck | 19:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean why can't i | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's kind of a problem, because most people with this problem are on 1.1 00x | 19:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | is it software only issue | 19:40 |
| itsnotabigtruck | which means you have to wait for it to release on other variants, or wait for the flasher image | 19:41 |
| Sazpaimon | nokia's flasher doesn't allow you to flash witha version lower than what you have | 19:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | or something that they change in more deeper levels (like iOS thing with modem updates when u can't downgrade and so on) | 19:41 |
| Sazpaimon | but i reccomend when PR1.2 comes out on navifirm, flash with the global variant | 19:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: any profit from it? | 19:41 |
| Sazpaimon | you'll get PR1.3 faster | 19:41 |
| Sazpaimon | as in, the day it comes out | 19:41 |
| Sazpaimon | assuming PR1.3 comes out | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | what's the battery minimum in order to execute a flash | 19:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | it would the question how many wontfix and what about 1.4 | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | looks like i'm at 40% now | 19:42 |
| ZogG_laptop | as 1.3 is just bugfix for 1.2 nd already there are tests | 19:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: it wouldn't matter so much if there were more open source components | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but harmattan is the most closed maemo yet :( | 19:43 |
| Sazpaimon | so why are nokia labeling their versions with m7 now | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Sazpaimon: i think that stands for milestone, not maemo | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's the 7th iteration | 19:43 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, well its always gone with maemo iteration | 19:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pr1.0 was probably m5 | 19:43 |
| Sazpaimon | 1.0 was m6 | 19:44 |
| hiemanshu_ | anyone tried video calling yet with skype? | 19:44 |
| Sazpaimon | i think | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | hiemanshu_: i thought skype doesn't have video calling | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jingle does | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | er, gtalk | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | (on pr1.2 that is) | 19:44 |
| hiemanshu_ | itsnotabigtruck: I thought 1.2 added it | 19:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, i think 41% ought to be enough for reflashing 1.1 | 19:45 |
| Sazpaimon | itsnotabigtruck, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/unstable/beta2/Fremantle_Update7_vs_Harmattan_Beta2_content_comparison.html | 19:45 |
| Sazpaimon | beta2 is PR1.0 iirc | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nah, beta3 is | 19:46 |
| Sazpaimon | beta3 is PR1.1 i though | 19:46 |
| Sazpaimon | because there's no beta4 | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nope | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | that's why the SDK is out of date compared to pr1.1 | 19:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and nokia won't do anything about that either | 19:46 |
| Sazpaimon | well either way | 19:46 |
| Sazpaimon | the packages there are all m6 | 19:47 |
| Sazpaimon | so pre-1.0 and 1.0 and 1.1 were all m6 | 19:47 |
| * itsnotabigtruck is more than a little bit pissed about that after spending a few hours attempting to make my source package build | 19:47 | |
| Sazpaimon | and now they're suddenly m7 | 19:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw does it has this stupid one by one apps install? | 19:48 |
| Sazpaimon | so I guess we should start calling Pr1.2 maemo 7 | 19:49 |
| Sazpaimon | (no) | 19:49 |
| jonni | with ssu, you dont need to reinstall. different case with full flash and backup&restore, which is not avail yet. | 19:49 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird...flasher says i have 26% battery, lpsmagic said i had 40% or so | 19:51 |
| ZogG_laptop | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1170422&postcount=47 | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | harmattan has really weird battery indicators | 19:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | Sazpaimon: ^ | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | ive had it go from 1% to 20% without even charging | 19:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni: nsu is actually flash not? | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | last time I used NSU was with symbian | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | and that was before they did OTA updates | 19:53 |
| Sazpaimon | running nokia link to back your phone up isnt the most difficult thing in the world | 19:54 |
| Sazpaimon | in fact its super simple | 19:54 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok, phone status = cleansed, now time to update | 19:54 |
| ZogG_laptop | ok reboot to windows | 19:54 |
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| jonni | ZogG_laptop: yep NSU is full flash .bin images, but most likely it takes a while before NSU images are available | 19:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh btw has anyone attempted to initiate the update with calendarrr installed? | 19:57 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm curious about what happens when there's a dependency conflict with an update package | 19:57 |
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| pa | is there still someone who hasnt got 1.2 officially? | 20:00 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: a lot of people | 20:00 |
| * jpwhiting hasn't | 20:00 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyone in non-001 regions | 20:00 |
| pa | do i get from Manage applications -> check updates? | 20:00 |
| * jpwhiting hasn't tried though | 20:00 | |
| itsnotabigtruck | 001 = western europe, latin america, maybe a few others | 20:00 |
| Sazpaimon | 001 is pretty much global | 20:00 |
| pa | is norway 001? | 20:01 |
| * jaywink only got it after checking via the manage applications ... don't wait for it to pop up ... | 20:01 | |
| Sazpaimon | 001 is labeled as ROW for firmware images | 20:01 |
| Sazpaimon | ROW = "rest of world" | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: some countries have special country variant firmware that could be a problem too | 20:01 |
| itsnotabigtruck | Downloading: 0 kB :/ | 20:02 |
| pa | but can i flash with a 001 firmware somehow? (and thus debrand the phone) | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon | basically, anyone that doesnt get a specific country variant | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon | pa, you can if you have PR1.0 | 20:02 |
| pa | ups.. i updated to 1.1... | 20:02 |
| Sazpaimon | PR1.1 001 firmware is the lowest verson number for PR1.1 | 20:02 |
| pa | ah right | 20:02 |
| pa | but then can i flash with pr1.2 001? | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | so if you have PR1.1 for another variant, flasher wont let you do it because it'd be considered a "downgrade" | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: yep, but you can't flash pr1.2 at all yet | 20:03 |
| itsnotabigtruck | only SSU | 20:03 |
| pa | allright | 20:03 |
| pa | so i should wait to update | 20:03 |
| pa | would it debrand my phone? | 20:03 |
| rm_work | i still need to update my n950 from the firmware it shipped with | 20:03 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to update your phone if you *really* want to, but it's complicated and you shouldn't do that | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | you can always go to a nokia store and request a downgrade | 20:03 |
| Sazpaimon | they have the hardware to do that | 20:04 |
| rm_work | is there a better backup method yet for contacts / SMS logs / etc? | 20:04 |
| pa | and, by the way, it restore it to factory default, and delete all the applications, right? if i will flash with 1.2 0+01 | 20:04 |
| Sazpaimon | rm_work, nokia link works pretty well | 20:04 |
| rm_work | Sazpaimon: via PC? | 20:04 |
| Sazpaimon | yeah | 20:04 |
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| rm_work | does that actually work properly for backup of contacts for beta2? | 20:04 |
| rm_work | or rather | 20:04 |
| rm_work | beta1 | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: yeah, flashing removes all apps | 20:05 |
| Sazpaimon | its worked for me on my N9 | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's a good idea anyway, have a clean start | 20:05 |
| rm_work | i never even did the beta2 upgrade | 20:05 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i went and reset my n9 to a clean pr1.1 install before initiating the ota upgrade | 20:05 |
| pa | then i will do that :) thanks for the advice | 20:05 |
| pa | i anyway have no messages or other stuff yet | 20:05 |
| pa | waiting for my microsim | 20:05 |
| rm_work | I may just have to give up and do the PR1.1 flash and lose all my data <_< | 20:05 |
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| rm_work | my phone is practically useless now, can't send and receive calls 75% of the time because of that UI bug | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rm_work: what bug is that? | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | anyway, don't fear the flasher | 20:06 |
| itsnotabigtruck | :p | 20:06 |
| rm_work | and it dies after 4 hours or so because the messageserver process gets stuck at 100% CPU | 20:06 |
| rm_work | and drains it | 20:06 |
| rm_work | i have to constantly watch top and kill it whenever it happens | 20:07 |
| rm_work | itsnotabigtruck: the phone app is just a black screen | 20:07 |
| rm_work | no answer/decline call buttons on incoming calls, and no hangup button or onscreen numpad on outgoing calls | 20:07 |
| rm_work | so i also can't check my voicemail | 20:08 |
| itsnotabigtruck | weird... | 20:08 |
| rm_work | it was a common bug | 20:08 |
| rm_work | but everyone else has flashed up to the official firmware by now | 20:08 |
| rm_work | N950 had a pre-release beta firmware | 20:08 |
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| rm_work | if you have an N9 you probably never had to deal with this | 20:08 |
| beford | hi e-yes, nice progress on nitdroid for n9 | 20:09 |
| pa | in general however, do you think it is reasonable to have dual boot meego+android (when it will be available) on a 16gb n9? | 20:09 |
| pa | or the space is too little? | 20:09 |
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| e-yes | beford, thx | 20:11 |
| e-yes | pa, I have 16gb version | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: i don't think it would be a problem if you don't mind having little storage space for multimedia and maps | 20:11 |
| pa | thats reassuring :) | 20:11 |
| e-yes | home partition is about 2gb, isn't it?:) | 20:11 |
| pa | something like that | 20:11 |
| pa | but where does android go? user data partition? | 20:11 |
| itsnotabigtruck | w000000 flashtime | 20:12 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, no i dont mind.. i also have hopes in g-drive | 20:12 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it would be nice to repart the phone, the standard partition layout is inefficient | 20:12 |
| pa | by the way, i read 1.2 improves the camera app.. how? | 20:15 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: continuous shot mode | 20:17 |
| pa | ah, thats it? | 20:17 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can hold down the shutter and take a zillion pictures | 20:17 |
| pa | hmm | 20:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | sup | 20:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | anyone can help me with NSS | 20:25 |
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| ieatlint | we need panorama for the n9 | 20:26 |
| pa | that too | 20:26 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: that's nemesis service suite, right? | 20:26 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i don't think NSS's pc change feature works on any modern nokias | 20:27 |
| ieatlint | also, a 41mp camera phone is ridiculous | 20:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, yeah | 20:27 |
| beford | and with symbian? :P | 20:27 |
| pa | what about atom phones? will battery last 1h? :) | 20:27 |
| ieatlint | actually i prefer it symbian over wp7 | 20:27 |
| ieatlint | hey, that's mean, it'll last at least 3h | 20:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, http://my-meego.com/faq/showquestion.php?fldAuto=22&faq=1 | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | 28% :/ | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flashing my phone takes 2 minutes | 20:28 |
| itsnotabigtruck | SSUing it takes 45 mins | 20:28 |
| djszapi | yes, that is what I also noted yesterday. | 20:29 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: hmm, guess it does work then | 20:30 |
| itsnotabigtruck | then NSS+NSU is probably the most user friendly way to do it, though the downgrade restriction still applies | 20:31 |
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| pa | question: how do i choose encoders for the sip client on N9? | 21:37 |
| pa | it seems it goes to speex by default | 21:37 |
| pa | and i want gsm | 21:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: you edit some file in /etc | 21:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | don't ask me which one :p but the google knows | 21:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you can rearrange the priority so speex is last | 21:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e-yes: did you find sparsify? | 21:41 |
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| ZogG_laptop | damn | 21:42 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: what? | 21:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | nss just doesn't find anything | 21:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | nothing on navit | 21:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | same with nps | 21:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: then skip the PC change and just flasher it | 21:44 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's no need to change product codes when you have flasher | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | flash with what? | 21:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pr1.1 | 21:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | but i want 001 | 21:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | i have 001 already | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i'm assuming that's what you're trying to do because changing product codes won't actually do anything | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean 1.1 | 21:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, i want 001 so i don't need to wait everytime | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: what version and variant are you on right now | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | but as i understand you can't flash to 001 from 005 | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | right | 21:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | 1.1 005 | 21:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | yeah, so you can't do anything using either nss or flasher to fix that until the pr1.2 images are out | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | alternately, you could fool around with apt to replace the 005 packages with 001 packages | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and upgrade that way | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | if you don't know precisely what you're doing don't do that, it's untested | 21:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | don't think it's proper way | 21:47 |
| itsnotabigtruck | of course it's not proper :p | 21:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | i mean it can screw things up =\ | 21:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think the 001 is saved not only in repos | 21:48 |
| rigow | ZogG_laptop, failed to upgrade? | 21:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | rigow, no update at all | 21:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | never got ota since n900 =) | 21:49 |
| rigow | ah | 21:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | =( | 21:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nokia needs to get out of the 90s with all this regional segmentation and variant codes and whatnot | 21:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it isn't *that* bad with the n9, but with some of their other products it's terrible | 21:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's not uncommon that they simply forget entire product codes and never update them until a ton of people start complaining | 21:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | e.g. my E71 was some US country variant that never got updates for a long time | 21:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | but there was a different variant that did | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | is there 1.1.1 global? | 21:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: no, 1.1.1 is 005 only | 21:52 |
| ZogG_laptop | i didn't get it btw | 21:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | =) | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's for middle eastern product codes only | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and i don't think it was ever distributed as an ota update | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | nsu only | 21:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the big change was adding arabic support | 21:53 |
| pa | ok voip vorks | 21:54 |
| pa | :) | 21:54 |
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| pa | ZogG_laptop, i also want 001.. i decided to wait and reflash | 21:56 |
| pa | how do i find what i have now? | 21:56 |
| rigow | hm, update not working, just hangs forever in "Meego update" at 0% | 21:58 |
| rigow | apt-get -f install shows now prob | 21:59 |
| rigow | s/now prob/no prob/ | 22:00 |
| infobot | rigow meant: apt-get -f install shows no prob | 22:00 |
| rigow | hey infobot, old friend! | 22:00 |
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| rigow | infobot, itsnotabigtruck is also very nice to N9 users | 22:01 |
| infobot | okay, rigow | 22:01 |
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| rigow | ah, can't complete the download, Connection to the application provider was lost. Try again later | 22:09 |
| rigow | Looks like http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9210845.htm | 22:09 |
| rigow | was right | 22:09 |
| rigow | they sold so many N9 that now their servers can't keep up with the update | 22:10 |
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| rm_work | GAH | 22:14 |
| rm_work | what is the "smartsearch" process and how do i make it stop... when I kill it, it just spawns again with a new processID immediately, and it is eating my battery stuck at 100% constantly | 22:15 |
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| rigow | itsnotabigtruck I think the thing that prevents the ovi store from working is also messing up the update | 22:17 |
| gabriel9 | good evening | 22:17 |
| rigow | I have the flasher now, but which firmware to use? | 22:18 |
| gabriel9 | does your scrolling lag? | 22:18 |
| rigow | no | 22:18 |
| gabriel9 | on N9 after update | 22:18 |
| rigow | no update yet | 22:18 |
| gabriel9 | ah i see | 22:18 |
| rigow | have you opened a terminal and looked whether there are background processes running? | 22:18 |
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| pa | is there some hope to get a widget system for N9? | 22:28 |
| pa | at least for the radios | 22:29 |
| pa | like in android, but actually something like widgetsoid would be perfect | 22:29 |
| gabriel9 | how to see background processes? | 22:32 |
| gabriel9 | which one is trouble | 22:32 |
| pa | ps? | 22:32 |
| pa | top? | 22:32 |
| rigow | do you have developer mode enabled? | 22:33 |
| pa | but im a bit disappointed that top does not let me change the refreshing time | 22:33 |
| pa | is it a modified version? | 22:33 |
| gabriel9 | yes i have | 22:34 |
| gabriel9 | developer mode | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rigow: lol | 22:35 |
| gabriel9 | and i have home screen settings | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | well anyway, i was able to update to PR1.2 right after flashering to PR1.1 | 22:35 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so if you're still having weird update issues try that, it should be surefire | 22:35 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, howc can one see the regional code? | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: try sysinfoclient -a | 22:36 |
| itsnotabigtruck | it's toward the end of the firmware version | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | also, that's exactly why we have this mess, the firmware version string is what's checked, from left to right | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | the variant code is the last component of the version | 22:37 |
| itsnotabigtruck | fortunately it's not the first component, that would be really lame | 22:38 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | also gabriel9: apt-get install htop | 22:38 |
| itsnotabigtruck | htop is the stuff | 22:38 |
| gabriel9 | yes i use it on my archlinux | 22:39 |
| pa | itsnotabigtruck, that stuff provides an impossible to read string | 22:39 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: scroll up and down until you find the firmware version | 22:39 |
| rigow | dam... http://www.meegoexperts.com/2012/02/nokia-n9-software-update-pr-1-2-30-2012-07-1/ | 22:40 |
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| pa | ok, content-ver? | 22:41 |
| rigow | my N9 doesn't update. This says to remove the caches and reinstall pr 1.1 using NSU | 22:41 |
| pa | 320, is it possible? | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | pa: sysinfoclient -p /device/sw-release-ver | 22:41 |
| rigow | what does he mean by NSU? | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rigow: nokia software update = nsu | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i mentioned using flasher, which does the same stuff nsu does but from the command line | 22:41 |
| itsnotabigtruck | NSU is for consumers and unlike flasher it works on all nokias | 22:42 |
| rigow | ok, so better install the flasher, but would I still rm -rf /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | 22:42 |
| rigow | sounds kinda strange | 22:43 |
| pa | it says PR_320 | 22:43 |
| pa | the last letters | 22:43 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | pa: that means you have a country variant | 22:45 |
| pa | i guess | 22:45 |
| pa | and i want to debrand it | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | rigow: well, if you flash, everything in /etc will be nuked | 22:45 |
| itsnotabigtruck | you need to download the flash images too, install NAVIFIRM | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | specifically NAVIFIRM+ 1.6 | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | make sure nokia care suite is selected, and download the 001 firmware image and your country's mmc image | 22:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | actually download the no-maps mmc image (it's under the ROW BLACK entry) because the mmc maps are out of date | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck why 1.6? | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | what's wrong with 1.6? | 22:47 |
| rigow | ok, does the 3.12 flasher know where to download those images? | 22:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | 17* | 22:47 |
| rigow | or do I have to get them beforehand? | 22:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | second | 22:49 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: nothing wrong with 1.6 | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | there's a bunch of different NAVIFIRM forks | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | some of them don't let you download mmc images | 22:53 |
| rigow | there is 1.7 | 22:53 |
| rigow | I can't find 1.6 | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | oh, then download that | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i thought 1.6 was the latest, 1.7 is fine | 22:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | flasher doesn't know how to download anything - you download the image separately and tell flasher to use it | 22:54 |
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| rigow | oki | 22:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | give me my 1.2 =) | 23:15 |
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| ZogG_laptop | gonna try nss on other pc | 23:15 |
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| blueslee | pr 1.2 seems to be overrated | 23:19 |
| blueslee | does someone know what is meant by "video call support"? | 23:19 |
| Anssi138 | pr 1.2 is the good stuff | 23:19 |
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| blueslee | Anssi138: sure there is good stuff contained but the people think that a firmware release will change everything to the good which is not the case | 23:21 |
| petteri | blueslee: probably means it is coming in 1.3 :P | 23:21 |
| Anssi138 | at least when i tried to call video call to it, it didn't succeeded. | 23:21 |
| Anssi138 | yes, i have symbian. | 23:22 |
| marsje | argh | 23:22 |
| * marsje is trying to update to PR1.2 | 23:22 | |
| Anssi138 | i know | 23:22 |
| marsje | it seems lik ethe update process shuts down the wifi connection and then complains it can't download the update | 23:22 |
| blueslee | my update procedure took about 30 minutes, i was suprised | 23:23 |
| rigow | oh my! trying to flash my phone, started second laptop with win7, now thing is configuring windows updates since 30min and finally failed now telling me that it reverts all the changes | 23:24 |
| marsje | it first downloaded, then started installing, but it was suck at 0%. Then it said it was interrupted.. starting over does not seem to help | 23:24 |
| Anssi138 | marsje: that's weird, probably it should not do that. You have rebooted ofc and tried again? | 23:24 |
| marsje | Anssi138: ofc? | 23:24 |
| Anssi138 | i believe it's stuck in 0% for quite some time and then it start to progress | 23:25 |
| Anssi138 | of course | 23:25 |
| Anssi138 | oldest trick to fix software. | 23:25 |
| marsje | I did reboot | 23:25 |
| marsje | but I can try again | 23:25 |
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| rigow | marsje, this is what I found http://www.meegoexperts.com/2012/02/nokia-n9-software-update-pr-1-2-30-2012-07-1/ | 23:32 |
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| rigow | I have the same issue BTW | 23:33 |
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| marsje | rigow: removing all that and then reinstall pr1.1?? | 23:41 |
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| marsje | what does "reinstall pr1.1" mean? | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | lol | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, on other comp nss detects phone but can't read any info | 23:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | maybe it's coz it's laptops | 23:43 |
| itsnotabigtruck | who here is familiar with open mode? | 23:44 |
| ZogG_laptop | ~opnemode | 23:45 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~openmode | 23:45 |
| jonni | rigow: if you do rm commands, then your screwed, that suggestion post in that url is just wrong | 23:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck, there is mamemo thread | 23:46 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~aegis-no-thanks | 23:46 |
| infobot | from memory, aegis-no-thanks is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ | 23:46 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ZogG_laptop: not good enough | 23:47 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: I know a bit about open mode | 23:47 |
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| blueslee | i will try to switch back to pr 1.1 at the weekend | 23:48 |
| jonni | rigow: you should not remove sources.list.d repoes, since if you do then it its not going to find the update again. its much easier just to reboot and issue "osa --discover" | 23:50 |
| itsnotabigtruck | eh, this isn't secret, might as well just ask - what has to be flashed to transition out of open mode | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | assuming system integrity is still intact | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i.e. sw cert, kernel, etc. | 23:51 |
| jonni | just kernel | 23:51 |
| itsnotabigtruck | ok | 23:51 |
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| itsnotabigtruck | because apparently the new bootloader flips the openmode bit merely by booting an unsigned kernel | 23:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | so i didn't even flash anything unauthorized - and it still transitioned | 23:52 |
| kkito | hello | 23:52 |
| itsnotabigtruck | i guess apt-get --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher should work then | 23:52 |
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| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: I havent tested in PR1.2, atleast in PR1.1 it was enough | 23:52 |
| jonni | havent seen yet PR1.2 source code dvd in the net yet | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | jonni, leaks as Nokia data \o/ | 23:53 |
| ZogG_laptop | jocking | 23:53 |
| itsnotabigtruck | woooo, downloading the pr1.2 kernel at dial-up speed | 23:55 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: booting to unsigned kernel (even if you dont flash it, like rescue kernel&initrd) always triggers the openmode bit, it has done that always from pr1.0 | 23:55 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: interesting...because that's exactly what i did and i was advised that it didn't do that, heh | 23:56 |
| marsje | hmmm, again I get "Update interrupted" | 23:56 |
| kkito | marsje I have the same problem | 23:56 |
| jonni | itsnotabigtruck: security thing, since otherwise you could compromise normal mode | 23:57 |
| kkito | anyone know how to fix the "update interrupted" issue? | 23:57 |
| rigow | many people here having the same issue | 23:58 |
| marsje | the N9 logging is terrible... log is full of messages but it's hard to see what is an error and what is a normal debug message | 23:58 |
| itsnotabigtruck | jonni: except that aegis is specifically intended to prevent that sort of thing | 23:58 |
| kkito | marsje, where is your n9 from? | 23:59 |
| itsnotabigtruck | and if reflashing just the kernel exits open mode, it also negates any perceived security advantage of that too | 23:59 |
| jonni | kkito: rigow: so what kind of tricks have you tested already? reboot; devel-su; apt-get clean; apt-get update;osa --discover | 23:59 |
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