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| Arkenoi | i just try not to place n950 in the same pocket with other things | 00:19 |
| Arkenoi | well, my n900 had no screen scratches | 00:19 |
| Arkenoi | nor does have n950 screen , but the case has a few | 00:19 |
| Arkenoi | battery cover and corners (i dropped it once by accident to a hard surface) | 00:20 |
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| Venemo | does anybody here have a clue about GLSL? | 01:09 |
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| meegomy | how to install debian file using terminal? | 06:21 |
| iekku | huomenta | 06:35 |
| hiemanshu | meegomy: dpkg -i | 06:54 |
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| meegomy | root@localhost password is not longer rootme? | 08:31 |
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| jkk_ | meegomy: or is "remote" root login disabled? | 08:46 |
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| Kypeli | With PR1.1 you can't login with root anymore | 08:51 |
| Kypeli | Login with developer with the password given by USB/WLAN from the SDK Connection tool app and enable the developer mode | 08:52 |
| meegomy | Kypeli : i tried that too.. still cannot login | 08:55 |
| Kypeli | Hmm, well that's what I do. Should work. | 08:55 |
| Kypeli | Check the password and developer mode is on and so on... | 08:55 |
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| meegomy | i rmb thats another command to use operation as superuser privilege | 09:01 |
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| RST38bis | Well. Moo. | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | m00 | 10:02 |
| thp | so, what's the easiest way to temporarily disable swipe (for a game) like GoF2 does? | 10:07 |
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| mece | thp, dunno what is easiest, but this is what library says: http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Developing_for_Harmattan_Enabling_swipe_lock.html | 10:20 |
| mece | thp, not as easy as I'd hoped :) | 10:20 |
| mece | I'd would very much like a function you can paste into your main.cpp and expose to qml so you can disable swipe from there | 10:22 |
| thp | mece: thx :) will have a look | 10:24 |
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| artemma | morning, everybody! | 11:24 |
| artemma | We've got some real great news for today! | 11:24 |
| artemma | Well, some of us at least :) | 11:24 |
| artemma | My first free Harmattan app was just published! Refreshes my lock screen photo every hour and keeps me entertained http://store.ovi.com/content/214273 | 11:25 |
| artemma | Have a look | 11:25 |
| jpnurmi | artemma: cool! :) | 11:26 |
| artemma | jpnurmi: have you got an N9/N950? | 11:26 |
| artemma | I swear the app keeps me entertained and positively surprised all the time despite the fact it's my app :) | 11:27 |
| jpnurmi | artemma: yup i've got an N9 - i'll give it a try | 11:27 |
| artemma | Pls, don't forget to add a review, early reviews mean A LOT to app lifecycle | 11:28 |
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| decibyte | artemma: i like the idea of just picking top rated images from flickr. installing in a moment. | 11:28 |
| artemma | decibyte: great, that you liked it! | 11:28 |
| artemma | I mean the idea :) | 11:29 |
| decibyte | but i will miss the n9 graffiti wallpaper | 11:29 |
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| artemma | a small bit of warning: if you tell it to download new photo every hour it does it a bit of a battery - these are over MB images after all. So I set it to "once a day" if I am traveling and to "once an hour" if I charge overnight | 11:30 |
| artemma | decibyte: what's graffiti wallpaper? | 11:30 |
| decibyte | it's just this one: http://store.ovi.com/content/208748 | 11:30 |
| artemma | decibyte: actually one of the ideas for the future is to mix the photos coming from flickr with the local ones | 11:33 |
| artemma | not sure if with all of them or just a favorite one or maybe with a favorite collection | 11:33 |
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| artemma | you can vote for this idea on the support web-site and add comments about what you'd love to get ;) | 11:33 |
| decibyte | artemma: i miss an option to filter out "images of pretty girls" | 11:34 |
| MohammadAG | anyone tried Nokia's push notifications implementation? | 11:34 |
| artemma | decibyte: search is definitely one of the options for the future as well. For start I figured one particular flickr group that has stunning wallpaper-compatible photos only | 11:35 |
| decibyte | artemma: or maybe even better: set up some keywords? | 11:35 |
| decibyte | artemma: cool | 11:35 |
| artemma | I figured I start with just one option, but a high quality one, search/tags is definitely to be added, just need to think about filtering quality (or not). You know default search for a girl returns hell a lot of crap with many similar pics | 11:36 |
| artemma | haha, I just received a text message, phone was bright for a moment and there was a new funny wallpaper :) | 11:38 |
| decibyte | artemma: an hour is waaay too long when--like me--you just sit and wait for the next image to show up :) | 11:41 |
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| artemma | decibyte: well, that high quality wallpaper group I am using right now, usually they have something like 5-30 photos a day. So right now it's not always an hourly update even if you ask for it. | 11:42 |
| artemma | Hmm, when I implement real search, updating photo every 5min is a possible feature for photo maniacs. It probably will eat your battery quickly, but could be a fun thing to show friends | 11:43 |
| decibyte | artemma: you could pick a random one from the 100 most recent? | 11:43 |
| artemma | Add a request to the support site - It is just uservoce.com - easy to add | 11:44 |
| jpnurmi | artemma: sure! | 11:44 |
| artemma | decibyte: that's also possible. You know, programming is like magic, everything is possible. Leaving a review and/or feature request would help your ideas get prioritized. Not because I am naturally bureaucratic, but because I prefer serving current customers better than the random strangers | 11:45 |
| artemma | jpnurmi: big thanks! In fact, I was doing some studies (lame ones, but still). It is surprising how much the very-very first reviews influence the future of a product featured at a web store | 11:46 |
| decibyte | artemma: already requesting at uservoice | 11:47 |
| jpnurmi | artemma: ok, thanks for the hint. sounds like i need to polish my stuff well before throwing it in | 11:47 |
| artemma | jpnurmi: what's your stuff about? ;) | 11:47 |
| jpnurmi | artemma: über secret for now :D | 11:48 |
| artemma | well, let me know if you'd need a beta-tester ;) | 11:48 |
| jpnurmi | artemma: sure. i'll tweet about it once i'm ready for that | 11:49 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Does someone use "osc" for local build tests here (Harmattan target for sure) ? | 11:49 |
| artemma | A for twitter updates, feel free to retweet the announcement - https://twitter.com/#!/AgileArtem/status/131669270915592193 | 11:51 |
| artemma | djszapi: I thought local compiler is good enough for everything | 11:52 |
| djszapi | artemma: you mean scratchbox or creator ? I have issues with c-obs. Hence, asking. | 11:52 |
| artemma | Qt Creator compiles Harmattan stuff well for me | 11:53 |
| djszapi | yes, sb always works before submitting a package to c-obs. However if c-obs does not work, osc is the next step. That is what I am asking here ;) | 11:54 |
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| artemma | decibyte: thanks for the feature request on uservoice. Interesting challenge to keep it obvious and logical how app is going to cycle over the already downloaded photos VS new ones http://dailywallpaper.uservoice.com/forums/135625-general/suggestions/2361051-update-the-wallpaper-everytime-the-phone-is-locked | 12:06 |
| djszapi | Can one check please whether there is a chm viewer app in OVI ? | 12:08 |
| djszapi | I would write a chmlib frontend, if it is missing .. | 12:08 |
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| decibyte | artemma: i don't care whether they are new as in "new on flickr". what matters is that they are new as in "i haven't seen them before" (or at least within the last couple of weeks, depending on how many flows through) | 12:09 |
| artemma | yeah, I need to play with the idea in mind to figure out the correct logic and how it should be different for ppl who want wallpaper be changed daily/hourly/all-the-time | 12:10 |
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| decibyte | i really think it would be cool to have a new wp everytime i unlock my phone. sometimes it's locked for hours, so it doesn't necessaryly consume a lot of images every day. | 12:12 |
| artemma | decibyte: I promise to think about it. 50 pages a day is at least 15MB. Maybe first I'll make app to detect WiFi and make it download lots of stuff only when it's on wifi | 12:13 |
| deram | what is the status of using bt-keyboard on N9? have there been breathroughs? | 12:13 |
| decibyte | artemma: do whatever you want. it's already a cool, little app :) | 12:15 |
| artemma | decibyte: well, I do want to make it better and plan if not for weekly, then for biweekly updates until at least the end of the year | 12:16 |
| artemma | after that I'll see how popular app really is. So far it got only one review done by me (with disclosing that I am the author) :) | 12:16 |
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| decibyte | artemma: where do i file bug reports? | 12:45 |
| artemma | uservoice should work fine for it | 12:46 |
| decibyte | okay | 12:46 |
| artemma | unless you have a dozens of bug reports :) | 12:46 |
| artemma | what is it? | 12:46 |
| decibyte | so far only 1 | 12:46 |
| decibyte | an hour passed by now, but there's no wp now. it's all black. when i tap the "changed wallpaper" item in the feed, it says it couldn't open file:///home/user/.wallpapers/wallpaper.jpg.png | 12:47 |
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| artemma | decibyte: interesting. Will research the blackscreen. Actually I noticed it sometimes on my device as well just yesterday, but it was always able to open a photo | 13:09 |
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| artemma | as for in an hour, it is an hour since you set it's settings to hourly and enabled. And certainly it can download only if you've got internet connection (you can see a request for connection if you don't have it yet) | 13:10 |
| decibyte | artemma: my phone is always online | 13:11 |
| artemma | hmm | 13:11 |
| artemma | well, will definitely investigate | 13:12 |
| decibyte | artemma: now i changed it manually and the file is located somewhere else: /home/user/.local/share/data/flickrwallpapers/wallpaper.jpg.png | 13:12 |
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| artemma | In general I am thinking about making it a correct Transfer plugin (that you can see/cancel) in the transfers menu. Right now it is hooking to the alarms daemon, it's not always super-reliable | 13:12 |
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| artemma | oh.. | 13:13 |
| artemma | daemed, now I think I know the reason for a bug | 13:13 |
| artemma | thanks for investigating! | 13:13 |
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| decibyte | you're welcome :) | 13:13 |
| artemma | oh, no I don't know.. | 13:13 |
| decibyte | haha | 13:14 |
| artemma | well, I'll investugate anyway :) | 13:14 |
| artemma | it downloads original image to ./local/share, but then it should put the cleverly resized pic to /user/.wallpapers | 13:14 |
| decibyte | at least it looks like the location of the image is not consistent, depending on whether you set it manually or let the app do it every hour | 13:15 |
| artemma | it should be the same all the time | 13:15 |
| decibyte | both times i tapped the item in the feed screen | 13:15 |
| artemma | ./local/share is a temprary buffer | 13:15 |
| artemma | ah! | 13:15 |
| artemma | So the link in the feed screen is incorrect | 13:15 |
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| decibyte | i guess...? | 13:16 |
| artemma | Hey, thanks for the investigation! | 13:16 |
| decibyte | no problem. glad to help. | 13:16 |
| artemma | Now I need to decide what I actually want to link to: to original big photo or to resized and possibly rotated one :) | 13:17 |
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| decibyte | the one in .local/share seems to be resized too | 13:18 |
| artemma | true.. it resizes in place, then copies | 13:18 |
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| decibyte | maybe it should open the image page on flickr? at least that's a way to attribute the photographer. | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | artemma: ~/local/share has work copies of data the GUI/system needs | 13:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's basically a kind of cache | 13:25 |
| artemma | decibyte: providing a local was just easier to do without thinking | 13:26 |
| artemma | proper link to flickr is probably better | 13:26 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: It is used exactly as cache | 13:26 |
| decibyte | artemma: of course. i know all about being lazy :) | 13:26 |
| artemma | decibyte: I figured when the file is copied to .user/wallpapes right away - it is when it fails to be stored to a /local/share for some reason | 13:27 |
| artemma | possibly because the file is still open by something.. maybe by an app GUI thread | 13:27 |
| artemma | well, will investigate and improve | 13:27 |
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| decibyte | artemma: well, it's not even in ~/.wallpapers when set manually. | 13:35 |
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| artemma | yeah, that;s another problem | 13:36 |
| artemma | I do know from the code that it tries saving file to there, but apparently fails | 13:37 |
| artemma | well, proper implementation should just try a different file name in the proper .local/share dir | 13:37 |
| artemma | and I need to make sure I understand the reasons for potential file conflict well: files should be open for seconds only, so existence of a write-share conflict is already suspicious | 13:38 |
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| jpnurmi | artemma: i set it to update automatically (1hr interval). the wallpaper is gone after 1hr | 13:40 |
| artemma | oh | 13:40 |
| artemma | what does it display instead? | 13:40 |
| artemma | a default bubble picture? | 13:40 |
| jpnurmi | artemma: i mean that new one doesn't appear... just plain black | 13:41 |
| decibyte | nothing. same problem as me. | 13:41 |
| artemma | plain black is totally wrong :/ | 13:41 |
| * artemma is thinking about unpublishing app for a while | 13:41 | |
| decibyte | it looks like it's trying to load a file that doesn't exist. | 13:41 |
| jpnurmi | wait a minute, there's a "connect to internet" -sheet below | 13:41 |
| artemma | well, it may fail to download a picture, but it shouldn't try to update wallpaper then | 13:42 |
| artemma | of course on my device there is always some old download to fall back to.. | 13:43 |
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| decibyte | artemma: i think you should look closer into what's happening with files, what paths you are loading etc. | 13:43 |
| artemma | indeed.. | 13:43 |
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| jkk_ | [20] Fujitsu, Understanding PBB-TE for Carrier Ethernet White Paper. Verkkodokumentti. Saatavissa: http://www.fujitsu.com/downloads/TEL/fnc/whitepapers/UnderstandingPBBTE.pdf | 14:40 |
| jkk_ | [21] Juniper Networks, MPLS Transport Profile (MPLS-TP): A Set of Enhancements to the Rich MPLS Toolkit, White Paper, 2011, verkkodokumentti, saatavissa: http://www.juniper.net/us/en/local/pdf/whitepapers/2000406-en.pdf | 14:40 |
| jkk_ | sorry, wrong channel | 14:40 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: do you have an idea for this ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdebase-runtime&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard It does not find phonon, but phonon is available from that repository .. | 14:43 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Build-depends set? | 14:46 |
| djszapi | here is the phonon package: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=phonon&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 14:47 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Specify it as build-depends | 14:48 |
| djszapi | it is. | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: It is not listed there? | 14:48 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I must be blind then :) | 14:48 |
| djszapi | X-Fade weird since it is there: libphonon-dev in my local thingie | 14:50 |
| djszapi | and I did not touch that since the last submit .. | 14:50 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I don't see that in .dsc? | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=kde-runtime_4.7.dsc&package=kdebase-runtime&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&srcmd5=154d254ab8ce1ae4ddb14b22eeae0e77 | 14:51 |
| djszapi | that is what I said, me neither | 14:51 |
| djszapi | probably submit mistake .. | 14:51 |
| X-Fade | My guess is that it will work a lot better when you add it. | 14:51 |
| djszapi | yes, ofc, but why did it not accept the proper version last time ? | 14:52 |
| djszapi | Also, I do not seem I can delete files on that page btw | 14:52 |
| djszapi | just progress bar thingie and no happening. | 14:53 |
| djszapi | probably temporary slowness only. | 14:54 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: on a side note: I accepted a request, but the abr at the top did not update. | 14:55 |
| djszapi | it still showed the request. | 14:55 |
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| djszapi | F5 did not help either with that/ | 14:57 |
| trx | wow, #qt-qml is really dead :/ | 14:58 |
| trx | How can i make InfoBanner component appear in front of status bar? Currently when i show it, it is behind the status bar, and only a part of it is seen.. | 14:58 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: djszapi | 1 Request | Home Project | Log Out -> but I see no request if I click on that. "No requests.". | 15:05 |
| trx | In case anyone wonders, i solved it by manually specifying the parent to PageStackWindow. I dont know why this is needed as InfoBanner was its direct child already. | 15:11 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=kdebase-runtime&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard I do not have such an issue locally. The phonon package contains that file .. | 15:46 |
| faenil | hey djszapi :) | 15:46 |
| djszapi | 'lo | 15:46 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: No idea. Maybe wrong path set? | 16:05 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: works locally in scratchbox at least. | 16:05 |
| djszapi | I am not sure path setting is any scratchbox specific. It is just you know /usr/phonon. | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Yes, but there you don't have a clean root. | 16:06 |
| djszapi | Moreover, it found the same headers from that directory since it is 46% | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: So the file could have been there from previous tests, you can't prove that. | 16:06 |
| djszapi | I can since I said phonon installs that | 16:06 |
| X-Fade | Yes, but maybe it installed it yesterday. | 16:07 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 16:07 |
| djszapi | I unpacked the debian package manually and checked the data.tar.gz | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | Remove the dev package from your scratchbox, make sure the file is gone. | 16:08 |
| X-Fade | And then install it, just to be sure. | 16:08 |
| djszapi | well, it is done :) | 16:08 |
| djszapi | phonon installs that header here. | 16:08 |
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| djszapi | interseting, c-obs installs a sb-fake thingie | 16:11 |
| X-Fade | That is a script that yells loudly when you call a scratchbox specific thing. | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | Makes looking for scratchboxisms easier. | 16:16 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: meh, the new obs does not still support '+' characters in the file names .. | 16:22 |
| djszapi | cannot delete and submit | 16:23 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=soprano&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 16:23 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: Also, I get many certification issue since the obs update for local "osc" operations .. | 16:25 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Permanently store? | 16:25 |
| djszapi | that works, thanks. Do you have idea how to upload/delete files having '+' character in their filenames ? | 16:26 |
| djszapi | on the webui | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Worksforme[tm] | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=soprano&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Just uploaded that file. | 16:27 |
| djszapi | Failed to remove file 'soprano_2.7.0+dfsg.1.debian.tar.gz' | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | Through webui. | 16:27 |
| djszapi | yeah, say, but see my message | 16:27 |
| djszapi | saw* | 16:27 |
| X-Fade | You mentioned upload ;) | 16:28 |
| djszapi | and remove | 16:28 |
| djszapi | I cannot upload until I remove the old files .. | 16:28 |
| djszapi | with the same names.. | 16:28 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, that is a real bug it seems. | 16:30 |
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| X-Fade | djszapi: That is one that needs to be filed against OBS2.3. | 16:31 |
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| macmaN | anyone here experienced n950 headphone output not working all of a sudden? | 16:38 |
| macmaN | trying a reboot now | 16:38 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: dpkg -S /usr/phonon/include/phonon/Phonon/ObjectDescription | 16:41 |
| djszapi | libphonon-dev: /usr/phonon/include/phonon/Phonon/ObjectDescription | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | Add a line to your make script, so it cats the contents of the file? Or shows the output of ls? | 16:47 |
| djszapi | I found something weird in my scratchbox, a stray file | 16:48 |
| djszapi | and that is why scratchbox "passed the test" imho | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | One of the risks of not having a clean root every time. | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: sbdmock can help you with that. | 16:49 |
| djszapi | sbdmock ? | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | Yeah, that is what is used inside nokia and in the maemo.org autobuilder. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | I think it is something else actually | 16:50 |
| djszapi | I have a weird link rule in my debian packaging ... | 16:50 |
| X-Fade | Sets up a clean build root every time inside scratchbox. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | because that folder is installed by the package. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | but when I try to ask the package owning it, I am getting nothing .. | 16:50 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: cat ./debian/libphonon-dev.links | 16:52 |
| djszapi | /usr/phonon/include/phonon/Phonon /usr/phonon/include/Phonon | 16:52 |
| djszapi | so it is actually okay this way, and should work on c-obs | 16:52 |
| djszapi | unless c-obs cannot handle debian/*.links files. | 16:52 |
| X-Fade | no idea | 16:53 |
| macmaN | damnit, reboot didnt fix it either | 16:55 |
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| macmaN | plugging in tv-out cable does switch the sound | 16:55 |
| macmaN | wtf happened with this headset then | 16:55 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: is it possible to eliminate this many "No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment" lines ? | 17:20 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: No that I know. It does the same in madde sysroots. | 17:21 |
| djszapi | well, I can give you a workaround | 17:22 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Pipe it through a 'grep -v' ? :) | 17:22 |
| macmaN | really weird. other headphones and headsets work. how can this headset just stop working. | 17:23 |
| djszapi | X-Fade, no, /dev/null :p | 17:23 |
| djszapi | X-Fade, no I mean fix from security pov | 17:23 |
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| X-Fade | Well, then you won't get any logs :) | 17:23 |
| djszapi | you mean just the real log we need ? :) | 17:25 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=soprano&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 17:27 |
| djszapi | * Raptor RDF parser (missing libraptor - http://librdf.org) and * Raptor RDF serializer (missing libraptor - http://librdf.org) lines | 17:27 |
| djszapi | sorry, but why ? raptor is mentioned in the dependency list .. | 17:27 |
| djszapi | again, works locally. | 17:27 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: These are all basic compilation issues, you need to try and figure these out yourself otherwise I'll never be able to some real improvements. | 17:29 |
| djszapi | I do nto have any compilation issues locally. | 17:30 |
| djszapi | not* | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Using osc build? | 17:30 |
| djszapi | scratchbox for now, but checking the installed files it looks for. | 17:30 |
| djszapi | osc never really built anything on archlinux | 17:30 |
| X-Fade | Well, good luck debuggin that way. | 17:31 |
| djszapi | it causes an error in the first place. | 17:31 |
| djszapi | never really could manage it on arch | 17:31 |
| djszapi | and could not get any help from anybody | 17:31 |
| djszapi | you are welcome to help | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | That is like finding things in the dark. | 17:31 |
| X-Fade | You really need to use the same tools as the obs to debug issues. | 17:32 |
| djszapi | as I said, I was trying bloody hard | 17:32 |
| djszapi | got no help, and was way beyond my skills to get osc work. | 17:32 |
| djszapi | it is not that I did not try hard. | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Did you try a vm? | 17:32 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: That might be a lot easier? | 17:32 |
| djszapi | well, qemu is installed. | 17:33 |
| djszapi | the newest .. | 17:33 |
| djszapi | vm is like hilariously slow, really .. | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | Depends on your cpu. | 17:33 |
| djszapi | if you mean virtualbox and other things on top of running host | 17:33 |
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| X-Fade | Yeah, paravirt. | 17:33 |
| djszapi | I tried to use osc on the host directly. | 17:33 |
| djszapi | did not really work | 17:33 |
| X-Fade | Works fine in my ubuntu and debian machines. | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | And of course opensuse. | 17:34 |
| djszapi | as said, you are welcome to help with fixing my osc | 17:34 |
| djszapi | and then I can do it locally... | 17:34 |
| djszapi | I would be glad .. | 17:34 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: You really don't anything where you can boot a proper os? :) | 17:35 |
| X-Fade | Thumbdrive or dvd might also be an option? | 17:35 |
| djszapi | you mean distro, not OS | 17:35 |
| djszapi | and if a simple tool cannot work on Archlinux, I really have objections to that tool. | 17:35 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: http://paste.kde.org/141152/ | 17:36 |
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| X-Fade | Inconsistent state of perl modules? | 17:39 |
| djszapi | no real clue, sorry. | 17:39 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: do you have an idea how to fix that ? | 17:41 |
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| npm | so VoiceToGoog->OviStore now says "Revision 48 of this content item successfully passed the QA review process." | 17:52 |
| Venemo_webchat | hi guys | 17:52 |
| npm | but it says at same time "This content item has not been published. " | 17:53 |
| djszapi | hello Venemo_webchat | 17:53 |
| npm | is there an extra step after QA validates or is this just some kind of website delay | 17:53 |
| npm | (i'll be very happy if it's actually validated since it's my first app published to ovi store -- http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/ (see new video) | 17:54 |
| npm | <deram> what is the status of using bt-keyboard on N9? have there been breathroughs? --> http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4828 | 17:55 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.arch.general/35467 | 17:57 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Something with broken perl in Arch. | 17:58 |
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| djszapi | X-Fade: probably not relevant | 18:05 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: I think it is, looks like there are some older precompiled modules. | 18:05 |
| djszapi | nope | 18:05 |
| djszapi | checked and that module comes from the official 5.14 perl. | 18:06 |
| djszapi | tried to reinstall, but did not help. | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | and the data dumper one? | 18:06 |
| djszapi | that is the only one | 18:06 |
| djszapi | pacman -Qo /usr/lib/perl5/core_perl/DynaLoader.pm | 18:06 |
| djszapi | /usr/lib/perl5/core_perl/DynaLoader.pm is owned by perl 5.14.2-2 | 18:06 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Did you ask in #perl? | 18:09 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: I am now trying to ask on arch. | 18:09 |
| djszapi | but they second me, it is not relevant to the thread. | 18:09 |
| X-Fade | djszapi: Ok, because perl is not my thing. | 18:09 |
| djszapi | yes, pretty sad, this tool is perl based imo. | 18:10 |
| X-Fade | MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps:Testing | 18:11 |
| djszapi | sorry ? | 18:11 |
| X-Fade | Ok, not really the thing I needed to paste ;) | 18:11 |
| djszapi | they did not answer on #archlinux | 18:12 |
| X-Fade | It is not about the language, as long as you do something cool with it. | 18:12 |
| djszapi | well I am not sure .. | 18:12 |
| * djszapi does dislike perl. | 18:12 | |
| djszapi | http://mg.pov.lt/harmattan-irclog/%23harmattan.2011-10-20.log.html#t2011-10-20T14:47:05 -> Seems Corsac exactly had the same issue | 18:13 |
| djszapi | ohh actually that was a discussion about the same issue of mine.. | 18:13 |
| djszapi | X-Fade at any rate ... soprano should be built with raptor, and it does not even try to look for that according to the build log. | 18:14 |
| djszapi | which is sad, and works locally. Raptor is in the dependency list of soprano. | 18:15 |
| X-Fade | Who wants to make some money and bet with djszapi that he has a missing dependency or wrong path somewhere? | 18:15 |
| djszapi | none of those. | 18:16 |
| Corsac | djszapi: yeah, sorry :) | 18:16 |
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| djszapi | check its dependency list .. | 18:16 |
| djszapi | you can find the raptor dependency and if you unpack the content, it is there ... | 18:17 |
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| svuorela_ | ...is tehre a way to extract account paswords from a n950 ? | 18:29 |
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| gri | depends | 18:30 |
| gri | there is an secure password storage which should prevent you from doing that | 18:30 |
| djszapi | they are stored in the protected storage, so not really. | 18:30 |
| djszapi | would not make too much sense | 18:31 |
| berndhs | if there is a way, that's a bug | 18:32 |
| svuorela_ | hmm... | 18:32 |
| djszapi | /very/ serious bug. | 18:32 |
| gri | or someone did not use the protected storage .. which would be stupid :D | 18:33 |
| * svuorela_ don't remember what he typed in the nokia account dialog for account creation | 18:33 | |
| djszapi | password reminder.. | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gri: password storage in a protected area is basically stupid | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, protected against what or whom? in which way? | 20:31 |
| gri | Well if it's like on the iPhone: storage can only be read by the program which wrote it makes sense | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can store passwords in an area that'S protected by a master password. OR that can only get accessed by certain users/processes/whatever | 20:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | Or* | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | but in the end what's the use of all this? | 20:33 |
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| gri | not having one program which can read all my user data and send it to some remote server? | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, if you don't want that then make sure you don't have such a program that does it | 20:34 |
| gri | that's always an easy argument | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | as otherwise you fall for the conceptual error that also makes aegis fail: not to ensure the apps are OK but rather block the functions that non-ok apps (as well as all other apps) may do | 20:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | in the end you get a system where no app may display any pixel to the LCD anymore | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | which is almost what we already got, we already may not make an LED flash as *maybe* *some* app *might* do *something* bad with that function | 20:38 |
| gri | I don't want to talk about aegis, I only wanted to say it's better to save a password encrypted than plain :) | 20:39 |
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| SpeedEvil | gri: Only if it makes attacks harder. | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | the idea of safe handling of critical data/functions on a compromised platform is nonsense | 20:39 |
| SpeedEvil | gri: For example - aegis was almost there. | 20:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | either make sure your platform is not compromised or don't store critical data on it | 20:40 |
| SpeedEvil | gri: Imagine if the device required a password on boot that was verified through a chain of trust including the bootloader to make sure that the password entry screen was good. | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | And then that decrypted the user fs. | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | Now, that would be adding lots of value for the user. | 20:41 |
| SpeedEvil | With little actual effort from a dev POV - 99% of the stuff to do that is already there. | 20:41 |
| djszapi | sorry, but what are you talking about ? | 20:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | The age-old debate - aegis not (as implmented) being a generic security infrastructure. Yes, it can be. | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | gri: btw usual storing of "encrypted" passwords is absolute ridiculous nonsense as you need to store the decryption on same platform, so any arbitrary attacker can always steal both the encrypted password plus the decryption algo | 20:43 |
| djszapi | I do not understand a word how it is related to not store the password in plain text file. | 20:43 |
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| djszapi | I am seemingly not the only one though. | 20:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | and please don't tell me now "but the average attacker is too stupid to do this" | 20:43 |
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| gri | Well I assume you don't have a better solution which is working on the device right now? | 20:45 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: As it's currently implemented - not much. I understood that aegis supported encrypted 'filesystems'. If this was used by default, to secure teh device by means of a password - your data just got a whole lot more secure. | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's *always* just the user that is "too stupid" to recover his own password, never the attacker that wouldn'T know how to copy the file with encrypted passwords and decrypt it on a random twin platform with the patched original decrypting tool | 20:45 |
| secyritas | is python-meegotouch gonna get to the repositories any time soon? >__< I'm struggling with my SDK installation | 20:45 |
| djszapi | it /is/ used by default. | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the sort of "security" you suggest by storing passwords in an obfuscated way (as this isn't even true encryption when you place the decrypt algo next to it) it's frequently enough to set font color to black-on-black or .hide the file with plain text passwords | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | djszapi: then why does booting a new kernel just make 'aegisfs' unwriteable. | 20:47 |
| SpeedEvil | Not unreadable, with no personal data at all available. | 20:48 |
| djszapi | I do not care about custom kernels. | 20:48 |
| djszapi | since that is /not/ our work. | 20:48 |
| SpeedEvil | Setting a user password does not mean the user data is not available without reentering that user password. | 20:49 |
| djszapi | huh ? | 20:50 |
| djszapi | I think you should either go learn how the aegisfs works, or tell me the exact steps and description about your issue since you either do not understand how it works or this explanation is rather vague what you rae trying to say. | 20:51 |
| djszapi | are, even. | 20:51 |
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| SpeedEvil | Set pin, lock device, flash kernel -> data available. (apart from those applications which use encrypted stores) | 20:52 |
| djszapi | ...so password is not available ... | 20:53 |
| djszapi | for accounts and so on .. | 20:53 |
| djszapi | forcing one way for everybody, every application, every library and so on is just plain wrong. | 20:53 |
| djszapi | LUK is much more appropriate sometimes than aegisfs, but this is true for gazillion cases for this and other technoligies. | 21:00 |
| djszapi | technologies* | 21:00 |
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| djszapi | so there is no "poor" implementation, but freedom .. | 21:01 |
| SpeedEvil | Freedom includes the choice of the user to lock down the device. | 21:02 |
| djszapi | yes, done, next customer | 21:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer | damn, I felt tempted to look at chanlog :-/ | 21:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | all hail to my ignore list | 21:12 |
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| jesuschrist | 7join #n9 | 21:33 |
| jesuschrist | -_- | 21:33 |
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| jesuschrist | hi all | 21:35 |
| djszapi | X-Fade : I found the soprano/raptor issue. My submitted raptor2 package got built today, but did not get publish into the repository as debian package ? Do you have an idea why the built package is not distributed ? | 21:36 |
| djszapi | X-Fade: available deb package: http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/rzr:/harmattan/MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard/armel/libraptor2-dev_2.0.3-1_armel.deb built version today: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=raptor2&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan Is there some option to trigger immediate distribution or at least asap ? | 21:37 |
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| jesuschrist | gri : you here? | 21:45 |
| gri | jesuschrist: now, yes | 21:47 |
| jesuschrist | how has been the developing today honey ? | 21:47 |
| gri | jesuschrist: rewriting the server backend, so nothing visible | 21:49 |
| jesuschrist | so proud of you | 21:49 |
| jesuschrist | why does it a server anyway ? | 21:49 |
| jesuschrist | *need | 21:49 |
| gri | there are plugins doing scraping of websites or handling incoming messages | 21:50 |
| gri | plugins can be loaded locally on your phone | 21:50 |
| gri | or if you don't have much bandwith, they run on a server and get called remotely | 21:51 |
| gri | badwidth* | 21:51 |
| gri | damn | 21:51 |
| jesuschrist | ive sent | 21:51 |
| jesuschrist | an email to betamax asking them to make their apps avalaible to meego too | 21:51 |
| jesuschrist | so far no answer, i think its a good sign, means they feel too much shame to answer | 21:51 |
| jesuschrist | :D | 21:51 |
| gri | well for sms they already offer an api, so they don't need to create an application | 21:52 |
| jesuschrist | do they offer an api for their dialer too ? | 21:53 |
| gri | don't think so | 21:53 |
| jesuschrist | :( | 21:53 |
| gri | but the caller seems to only prefix numbers | 21:53 |
| jesuschrist | yep, well | 21:53 |
| jesuschrist | actually | 21:53 |
| jesuschrist | it guess the right prefix number for your area | 21:53 |
| jesuschrist | dont know how | 21:53 |
| gri | the cell knows the country | 21:54 |
| jesuschrist | plus it connects the calls to your betamax account, without asking for username or password | 21:54 |
| jesuschrist | i dont know yours, but mine has more than 1 dialer number | 21:54 |
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| jesuschrist | my country i mean | 21:54 |
| jesuschrist | more zones | 21:54 |
| gri | +xx and +xy? | 21:55 |
| jesuschrist | nono | 21:55 |
| jesuschrist | i mean | 21:55 |
| jesuschrist | +39 wich is the international code for italy | 21:55 |
| jesuschrist | and THEN | 21:55 |
| jesuschrist | xx xy | 21:55 |
| jesuschrist | guessing on where you are | 21:55 |
| gri | well, yes | 21:55 |
| jesuschrist | how does it do that | 21:56 |
| gri | but here in germany when you call from your phone you either call a mobile number or a landline number | 21:56 |
| gri | and a landline number costs the same for the whole country | 21:56 |
| jesuschrist | yep same for | 21:56 |
| jesuschrist | wait | 21:56 |
| jesuschrist | same for me | 21:56 |
| jesuschrist | for italy | 21:56 |
| gri | so if you know +39, you know which landline number to call | 21:56 |
| jesuschrist | but only for cell phones | 21:56 |
| gri | they only need one number for each country | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | if i use their dialer number with my fixed line | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | the rates apply | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | yeah you are right | 21:57 |
| neal | What's the replacement for com.nokia.mce.signal.system_inactivity_ind / com.nokia.mce.request.get_inactivity_status on Harmattan? | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | didnt think about it | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | hhm | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | is betamax deutsch | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | is it' | 21:57 |
| jesuschrist | ? | 21:58 |
| gri | looks like that, yes | 21:58 |
| Corsac | hmhm, interesting, trying to import all contacts from n900 to n9, n9 doesn't see the n900 bluetooth in the contacts import screen | 21:58 |
| Corsac | (while it correctly paired just before) | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | anyway | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | i can use their dialer | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | with my fixed line too | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | i never tried | 21:58 |
| jesuschrist | ill try to check what does their app do automatically | 21:59 |
| jesuschrist | im sure the dialer will ask to insert the phone number you wish to call | 21:59 |
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| jesuschrist | something wich the app did in auto mode on symbian | 21:59 |
| jesuschrist | plus i cant see how they connect your phone number to your account | 21:59 |
| jesuschrist | how they do that | 21:59 |
| gri | jesuschrist: I assume like the call center robot | 22:00 |
| gri | call a line, their computer picks up, phone sends more numbers | 22:00 |
| gri | but that's a wild guess, I really have no idea | 22:01 |
| jesuschrist | i mean how they understand wich account is calling | 22:01 |
| jesuschrist | so they can get the money from the prepaid | 22:01 |
| jesuschrist | account | 22:02 |
| artemma | what is the way for deleting/moving/renaming files from terminal in PR 1.1 | 22:02 |
| gri | if they know your mobile number, they know who you are? | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Corsac: just worked for me | 22:02 |
| * artemma needs to clean some directories to make it look like a fresh device | 22:02 | |
| jesuschrist | you think they check my mobile phone ? what if i use more betamax providers | 22:02 |
| jesuschrist | i mean my mobile phone number | 22:02 |
| gri | jesuschrist: all betamax providers belong to the same company | 22:02 |
| gri | even though you have to create a new account for every page | 22:03 |
| Corsac | DocScrutinizer: I used the “send from n900” way, and it worked, weird | 22:03 |
| jesuschrist | yet i pay | 22:03 |
| jesuschrist | only one provider | 22:03 |
| jesuschrist | and my account works with only one of them | 22:03 |
| jesuschrist | anyway betamax is a too obsqure company, mafia must be behind it | 22:04 |
| jesuschrist | :\ | 22:04 |
| artemma | I can't run /usr/sbin/aegis-developer-mode --relaxed-exec | 22:04 |
| artemma | I get permission denied | 22:04 |
| jesuschrist | Call the local access number and dial the international number you wish to call. | 22:04 |
| jesuschrist | that says the betamax dialaer page | 22:04 |
| jesuschrist | well the app did all the work, automatically composing the phone number in the contacts | 22:04 |
| djszapi | artemma: expected | 22:04 |
| jesuschrist | hmm | 22:05 |
| gri | jesuschrist: if that's all, you can do that easily | 22:05 |
| artemma | djszapi: I've heard about it and I assume that by now somebody has solved it. Or am I the only developer who needs to delete files once in a while | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's how those dieal-thru/dial-back services work, no? | 22:05 |
| djszapi | artemma: solve what ? That is like that on /purpose/. | 22:05 |
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| djszapi | it was solved by not having it available. | 22:06 |
| artemma | djszapi: well, developers do need to delete, rename, move stuff around | 22:06 |
| jesuschrist | gri : yep and also the app checked if you were calling a international number, if it detected you were, it would ask if you wanted to be redirected through betamax, answering no would make it a normal call | 22:06 |
| djszapi | users need security | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually some dial-thru can handle "true prefix" like dialing a number composed of <service><your-real-number> | 22:06 |
| artemma | users of just published app experience some problems that I suspect happen because they don't have directories I have | 22:07 |
| djszapi | and since users pay the money, make the business, that is what matters | 22:07 |
| djszapi | not futile number of developers. | 22:07 |
| jesuschrist | DocScrutinizer : im not sure i understood | 22:07 |
| artemma | djszapi: ok, I've got the idea: you do not know about a way for going around the permissions for file deletion :) | 22:07 |
| jesuschrist | gri : yep anyway i think would be easy for a developer to do that | 22:07 |
| * artemma probably will have to create a separate app for just deleting a directory | 22:07 | |
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| djszapi | artemma: yes, of course I know, but I do not feel ethical to disclose security holes. | 22:08 |
| gri | jesuschrist: Well, become a developer and you can try it yourself? :) | 22:08 |
| artemma | djszapi: that's close enough to not knowing :) | 22:08 |
| jesuschrist | thats a nice advise gry! | 22:08 |
| artemma | on the other hand if the whole exist, I'll continue asking, maybe somebody on the channel has higher ethical standards and will share ;) | 22:08 |
| jesuschrist | printf("international number"); | 22:09 |
| artemma | if the *hole* exists | 22:09 |
| jesuschrist | not working :( | 22:09 |
| djszapi | artemma: actually please stop it. | 22:09 |
| gri | jesuschrist: You actually have to read some stuff before :P | 22:09 |
| djszapi | maybe if you have the N950 loan contract. | 22:09 |
| djszapi | you do not wanna get a citation. | 22:09 |
| jesuschrist | gri : i already work as a sysop, and i began to hate computers | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | jesuschrist: a) you call <service>, service calls back, you pick up and DTMF <the-actual-number> b) you call <service>, service picks up, you DTMF <the-actual-number> c) you dial <service><the-actual-number>, service picks up and forwards your call to <the-actual-number> | 22:10 |
| jesuschrist | DocScrutinizer : betamax works somehow lice C | 22:11 |
| jesuschrist | but you dont need any service | 22:11 |
| jesuschrist | in front of it | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | wut? | 22:11 |
| jesuschrist | because it detects international phone numbers by the international code | 22:11 |
| jesuschrist | you place in front of the number | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, you need a betamax dialer that does the <service> prepending | 22:11 |
| gri | ui and actual call are different things | 22:11 |
| jesuschrist | ah right | 22:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | s/need/usually have/ | 22:12 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer meant: nah, you usually have a betamax dialer that does the <service> prepending | 22:12 |
| jesuschrist | yep i understood it | 22:12 |
| jesuschrist | you can let them call you too, but just works through their website | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's a') then | 22:13 |
| jesuschrist | yeah you call the service | 22:13 |
| jesuschrist | with the website | 22:13 |
| jesuschrist | and then it calls back | 22:13 |
| jesuschrist | the app does C anyway | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 22:13 |
| gri | jesuschrist: so which number does the callee see? | 22:15 |
| jesuschrist | the reciver of the phone call ? | 22:15 |
| jesuschrist | my phone number | 22:15 |
| gri | yes | 22:15 |
| jesuschrist | it does see my cell phone number | 22:16 |
| jesuschrist | even if it isnt | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah, they "fake" it | 22:16 |
| dm8tbr | psh, they just pipe it into SS7 | 22:17 |
| jesuschrist | i actually need this app in a desperate fashion | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 22:17 |
| jesuschrist | i could pay for it | 22:17 |
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| jesuschrist | because : 1 - in my area is mostly covered by 2g connection | 22:17 |
| b00^portal | hello guys | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | extremely hard to implement on HARM in a seamless way | 22:17 |
| gri | jesuschrist: setup a home server which accepts calls and forwards them with your free voip account? :D | 22:17 |
| dm8tbr | was fun when there were still sip providers who forwarded the _wrong_ field as the originating number into SS7 :D | 22:17 |
| jesuschrist | 2 - i need to call germany a lot | 22:17 |
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| b00^portal | err, a shitty thing happened - I forgot my root password on my N9... can I reset it ? | 22:18 |
| gri | b00^portal: did you ever change it? | 22:18 |
| b00^portal | gri, yep, changed it, | 22:18 |
| b00^portal | and immediately it did not work | 22:18 |
| jesuschrist | gri : i can pay for such an app i said | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: I think I can still set display name to a arbitrary number on sipgate.de | 22:18 |
| gri | jesuschrist: I am student with more projects than time, so I can't even do that for money :) | 22:19 |
| dm8tbr | DocScrutinizer: if that gets forwarded into ISDN/SS7 that could have 'funny' results with PBX phones | 22:19 |
| djszapi | jesuschrist: how much can you pay ? :p | 22:19 |
| jesuschrist | then ill have to sell my n9 and buy a white iphone 4s | 22:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | dm8tbr: anyway it's always just the display name, not the real source ID which is displayed at law enforcement etc | 22:19 |
| dm8tbr | sure | 22:19 |
| jesuschrist | that is because of you gri | 22:19 |
| jesuschrist | djszapi : say the price | 22:20 |
| gri | jesuschrist: I am sure somebody will laugh on you when you tell you switched a n9 for an iphone :) | 22:20 |
| djszapi | jesuschrist: can you write me a spec in mail and deadline you would like to have ? | 22:20 |
| b00^portal | hahaha, a spec | 22:20 |
| jesuschrist | gri : hardly, i will just go out with hipsters | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | jesuschrist: I probably could build a dialer for you that automatically prepends <service> - even conditionally. What I can't do (and probably nobody else) is integration into contacts / call history callback etc | 22:21 |
| djszapi | M4rtinK: ping | 22:22 |
| jesuschrist | djszapi : well its for personal user | 22:22 |
| jesuschrist | no reason to be so formal | 22:22 |
| jesuschrist | s/user/use | 22:22 |
| jesuschrist | DocScrutinizer : you want cash ? | 22:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | unless somebody knows how to create a new service similar to SIP, on HARM, so you'd see a new transport/service option in that top dropdown in dialer | 22:22 |
| jesuschrist | hwo they did they integrate it on symbian | 22:23 |
| jesuschrist | hmm | 22:23 |
| djszapi | formal or informal, I need to know what to implement and for what time. | 22:23 |
| jesuschrist | djszapi : query ? | 22:24 |
| djszapi | k | 22:24 |
| b00^portal | changing passwords when you deadtired barely keep your eyes open is a really bad bad thing ... | 22:25 |
| gri | b00^portal: but you managed to tipe it twice the same way :) | 22:25 |
| gri | argh | 22:26 |
| gri | type!! | 22:26 |
| b00^portal | gri, yes, and I've managed to first save it a txt file, and wrong way too seems ! | 22:26 |
| b00^portal | something really went screwed up | 22:26 |
| SpeedEvil | copy+paste is handy for that. | 22:26 |
| dm8tbr | phone stuff is all telepathy | 22:26 |
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| jesuschrist | anyway gri | 22:30 |
| jesuschrist | i understand it may be too hard for you | 22:30 |
| jesuschrist | its ok | 22:30 |
| b00^portal | err, what happens if i used non alphanum for the password? I see now :) the message saying, use alphanum | 22:31 |
| b00^portal | it did not complain when i was entering it though ... I had and underscore there .. | 22:32 |
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| artemma | hmm, why is my app not able to delete a file in /.local/share/data? | 22:48 |
| artemma | QFile file1("/.local/share/data/flickrwallpapers/wallpaper.jpg"); | 22:48 |
| artemma | res = file1.remove(); | 22:48 |
| artemma | then errorString() returns "Permission denied" | 22:48 |
| artemma | I thought all the apps can do whatever in /.local/share | 22:49 |
| artemma | and if it needs some special aegis credential, isn't QtCreator/SDK supposed to request it automatically? | 22:52 |
| SpeedEvil | No. | 22:53 |
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| SpeedEvil | If open() requires a permission, then it is granted. | 22:54 |
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| SpeedEvil | if open("whatever") requires a seperate permission, it's not. As it can't be automatically determined. | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | You may need to add it manually. | 22:54 |
| SpeedEvil | First check the unix permissions though. | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | root can't delete in drwxr-xr-x 6 user users 4096 Aug 26 20:01 /home/user/.local/share/data/ | 22:58 |
| artemma | now it makes me really wondered how original files were created in the first place :/ | 22:58 |
| SpeedEvil | and that, yes. | 22:58 |
| artemma | app is operating with /.local/share/data | 22:59 |
| artemma | that should be available for root | 22:59 |
| artemma | well, it is operating with whatever storagelocation is pointing to | 22:59 |
| artemma | QDesktopServices::storageLocation(QDesktopServices::DataLocation); | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | root can't delete in drwxr-xr-x 6 user users 4096 Aug 26 20:01 /home/user/.local/share/data/ | 22:59 |
| artemma | hmm.. maybe when run under different users it points to different dirs :/ | 23:00 |
| * artemma went to check existence of similar directories in /home/user and /home/developer | 23:00 | |
| DocScrutinizer | root can't write/delete to any other user's dirs | 23:00 |
| artemma | I know, in normal life of app, we use whatever is storageLocation for the current user | 23:01 |
| artemma | indeed, I created files everywhere :) | 23:02 |
| artemma | under root, developer and user | 23:02 |
| artemma | shouldn't be big deal though | 23:02 |
| artemma | I guess from console I anyway cannot delete anything, so have to create an app and then run it from different users | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | su - user; | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | which once more shows how useless this whole aegis sandboxing of root is | 23:04 |
| artemma | hmm, isn't devel-su making you root? | 23:05 |
| artemma | I tried deleting from /.local/share/data under root | 23:05 |
| artemma | to my understanding it is root's area | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's no /.local | 23:05 |
| artemma | wi.local/share/data/flickrwallpapers # su - user | 23:06 |
| artemma | su: can't set groups: Operation not permitted | 23:06 |
| matrixx | artemma: is this related: I just tried to set wallpaper and now it tries to set wallpaper every few seconds, atleast according to notification | 23:06 |
| matrixx | but lockscreen is black and my old wallpaper flashes there time to time | 23:06 |
| matrixx | does it go away if I reboot? | 23:06 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: I have /.local Probably a result of writing to storageLocation when app was run under root | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, so another permission of root they "fixed" in post-22.6 paegis? | 23:07 |
| artemma | matrixx: I am trying to figure out | 23:07 |
| artemma | works flawlessly on my device | 23:07 |
| artemma | uninstall should clean stuff | 23:07 |
| matrixx | artemma: ok thanks, I can try fresh install | 23:07 |
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| artemma | now I suspect that the problem is with file permissions. Dirs exist on my device for a long time | 23:08 |
| artemma | trying to clean them now | 23:08 |
| artemma | matrixx: I'll probably remove app from the store for a while | 23:08 |
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| artemma | it doesn't work for too many people | 23:08 |
| matrixx | artemma: ok :/ | 23:08 |
| artemma | will beta-test on somebody first | 23:08 |
| artemma | heck, tested it well on my device.. | 23:10 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: I can't understand how to run su - user | 23:10 |
| artemma | returns su: can't set groups: Operation not permitted | 23:10 |
| dm8tbr | artemma: which app? I can give it a spin here | 23:11 |
| artemma | dm8tbr: I just removed it from app store :) | 23:11 |
| dm8tbr | meh :) | 23:11 |
| artemma | can send you a deb file via dcc | 23:11 |
| artemma | or email | 23:11 |
| dm8tbr | privmsgd you my mail | 23:12 |
| dm8tbr | actually forget that mail | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | develsh; su - user | 23:12 |
| dm8tbr | I can't read the attachments on that :( | 23:12 |
| artemma | sending via dcc | 23:13 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: doesn't work for me | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, so another permission of root they "fixed" in post-22.6 paegis? | 23:13 |
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| dang_ | hello | 23:14 |
| dang_ | does anyone know why the n9 email client is only using the email address in From: and not the actual name? is it possible to change this? | 23:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe ssh user@localhost works | 23:14 |
| Mek | devel-su instead of su? | 23:15 |
| artemma | dm8tbr: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/19482748/dailywallpaper_1.0.0_armel.deb | 23:15 |
| dm8tbr | tnx | 23:16 |
| artemma | Mek, tried devel-su, didn't change anything | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | devel-su - user | 23:16 |
| Mek | hmm, okay... for me devel-su works, su gives that error | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah Mek beat me | 23:16 |
| artemma | devel-su - user worked! | 23:16 |
| artemma | hey, I can remove files local to user now! :) | 23:17 |
| merlin1991 | what does the - in `deve-su - user` do? | 23:17 |
| merlin1991 | s/deve/devel/ | 23:17 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: what does the - in `devel-su - user` do? | 23:17 |
| matrixx | same as su - user | 23:17 |
| deram | dang_: had same problems, couldn't find fix yet | 23:17 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: can I do the same for developer? It is asking for password and rootme doesn't work | 23:18 |
| matrixx | merlin1991: basicly as superuser you can became any user you like | 23:18 |
| matrixx | user in this case | 23:18 |
| merlin1991 | found it in the man pages, - makes it a login shell | 23:19 |
| jabis | what's that extra "-" doing I'd imagine he meant | 23:19 |
| deram | that - makes the shell login shell, ie. it sets the environment as in normal login | 23:19 |
| matrixx | artemma: passwd is the same you have set it to be with sdk connection tool | 23:19 |
| merlin1991 | jabis: yes, deram thanks | 23:19 |
| matrixx | at least for me, cause I use it with qtcreator | 23:19 |
| artemma | heh, and I do need to delete /.local/share/data stuff. That is the storage location when my app is run by the system daemon | 23:19 |
| matrixx | merlin1991: ah sorry, I misread your question | 23:20 |
| artemma | matrixx: thx, helped | 23:20 |
| matrixx | artemma: np | 23:21 |
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| artemma | ok, cleaned user and developer stuff | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | artemma: this is really really bad to create /.local | 23:22 |
| matrixx | artemma: I hope you get it back to store soon, I really liked the app idea :) | 23:22 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: It wasn't me, I create files wherever storagelocation tells | 23:22 |
| artemma | when app is run by system daemon, storage location seems to be /.local/share/data | 23:23 |
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| artemma | and actually I don't know any other dir accessible by root | 23:23 |
| artemma | well, I thought it's accessible by root | 23:23 |
| artemma | I need to save downloaded files somewhere :) | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's either a bug, or a flaw in (reading) the specs of storagelocation | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | what?? | 23:24 |
| artemma | If I knew any other folder root can write to, I would have tried it | 23:24 |
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| jabis | Doc, could you elaborate why it's "bad"? :) | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | jabis: one "word" FHS | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | artemma: try $TMP | 23:25 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: my app is run by system daemon once in a while. it downloads file from the web and needs to save it somewhere. storageLocation sounded logical | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | storagelocation of WHOM? | 23:25 |
| artemma | of whoever is the current user | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | I dunno what'S the semantics of storagelocation | 23:26 |
| matrixx | was there any restrictions who can publish media or other customization in ovi store? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | in my book storagelocation is a GUI related thing more than sth a *daemon* could use | 23:27 |
| artemma | hmm, that may explain the black screen people are getting. Somehow app is able to save to /.local to my machine, but not to normal people's devices | 23:27 |
| matrixx | like, was a corporate account needed or do I remember totally wrong.. | 23:27 |
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| artemma | DocScrutinizer: that was the only location I was able to find that could be accessed by any user | 23:27 |
| artemma | will now try tmp | 23:27 |
| jabis | DocScrutinizer: well - we're not exactly talking about a standard nix distro here | 23:27 |
| djszapi | back to the protected storage: The master device secret never leaves the trustzone and is only accessible via the functions BB5 provides, so I guess it should be in a pretty good safe in there. | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | orly? | 23:28 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: you mean QDesktopServices::TempLocation? | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | artemma: when your "daemon" wants to do sth on user's behalf, then it probably should change UID to user | 23:28 |
| djszapi | back to the locking down statement: The data most probably is intact but I'm not sure how the device lock (I suppose you meant the device lock code by PIN) behaves when a new kernel is flashed. Back when it stored the code in protected storage it would have been impossible to unlock the device after kernel was booted, but now I suppose the code is stored in the calibration area. | 23:29 |
| artemma | hmm, in the future I will definitely like to store pictures for longer time, but for right now tmp may be good enough | 23:29 |
| jabis | the oddities of HARM are neverending | 23:29 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: I don't know how to change UID to user | 23:29 |
| djszapi | Hence, this "taking the descryption algorithm and done" post is plaing wrong. | 23:29 |
| djszapi | decrypt-algo* | 23:29 |
| djszapi | artemma: request a credential | 23:30 |
| djszapi | pretty simple actually. | 23:30 |
| artemma | djszapi: never did neither aegis, not UID change | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | man 2 setuid | 23:30 |
| djszapi | well one-liner | 23:30 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: you mean from the command line? | 23:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | afk | 23:31 |
| artemma | may work.. | 23:31 |
| artemma | well, will try tmp for quick fix first | 23:31 |
| djszapi | I do hope quick fixes do not pass OVI | 23:31 |
| artemma | djszapi: I do hope they pass | 23:32 |
| artemma | that's anyway better than the current version that's already in store :) | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually such a "daemon" should never get started as root, first instance | 23:32 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: it's not me who is starting the app | 23:32 |
| artemma | it's alarmd | 23:32 |
| artemma | I just tell it which command line to start | 23:32 |
| b00^portal | is there an N9 specific OneClickFlasher or is that the same one as for N950? I'm confused because the docs talk about N9 flasher, yet I cannot find but the N950 flasher | 23:33 |
| artemma | with no cron on the system I am hooking to the alarm clock :) | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm, and alarmd is starting a process as root when told so by user? nice ;-P | 23:33 |
| artemma | oups, I hope you are not going to fix it :) | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | alarmd is not alarmclock | 23:33 |
| jabis | lol | 23:33 |
| b00^portal | alarmd -> crontab ? | 23:34 |
| artemma | oh well, I wouldn't mind if alarmd started my process as user | 23:34 |
| artemma | b00^portal: no cron in harmattan | 23:34 |
| Arkenoi | why is bedside not in ovi store anymore? | 23:34 |
| jabis | I have the deb if you want it | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | artemma: thinking about it, not even cron was the right thing for your "daemon" | 23:34 |
| jabis | (bedside) | 23:34 |
| Arkenoi | jabis: thanks, will try it! | 23:35 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: the most proper thing I was able to invent is to go via the TransferUI. I was fighting with it for several days and failed | 23:35 |
| artemma | it is still in the plans though | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | you should run it from e.g xsession, and use a timer() for your sheduling. You're aware that alarmd can *wake up the device from power-down state*? :-o | 23:35 |
| jabis | Arkenoi: wait a sec, I'll post link | 23:35 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: there are alarmd flags to prevent wake from deepsleeping | 23:36 |
| artemma | event flags I mean | 23:36 |
| artemma | though I am not 100% sure I am using them correctly :) | 23:36 |
| jabis | Arkenoi: http://www.pumppumedia.com/tmp/bedside_1_371375.0.2_armel.deb | 23:37 |
| b00^portal | so no one knows about N9 flasher util ? ...... | 23:37 |
| Arkenoi | thanks! | 23:37 |
| * Arkenoi wonders why it was removed | 23:37 | |
| artemma | ok, tmpdir works under develope (resolved to /var/tmp). Now to try under user and root (via daemon) | 23:37 |
| jabis | b00^portal: there was a flasher util that's made for tablets that hooks nicely with N9 | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: maybe it had some concepts like artemma's app ? ;-D | 23:39 |
| djszapi | jabis: sorry, but couldn't it go to the community obs ? | 23:39 |
| b00^portal | jabis, will it re-flash my n9 to its default state ? | 23:39 |
| artemma | hahaha, doesn't work under root, I get same black lockscree that users report :) | 23:39 |
| b00^portal | jabis, or as-new state :) | 23:39 |
| artemma | is there ANY place root can write files to? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | artemma: that's all results of your whole architecture completely odd | 23:39 |
| djszapi | ofc | 23:40 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: it can and should and will be improved | 23:40 |
| jabis | djszapi: whatwhichwho? :) | 23:40 |
| artemma | yet there got to be a place user is able to write to | 23:40 |
| djszapi | jabis: see the landing page | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui your app is doing a "user thing" I.E. changing wallpaper. No root process involved in that | 23:40 |
| jabis | b00^portal: haven't tested :) | 23:40 |
| djszapi | jabis: basically any open source projects are welcome into the community harmattan repository: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 23:41 |
| jabis | djszapi: what are we talking about here? I'm lost :) | 23:41 |
| * artemma will try to hard code /var/tmp. Maybe it's DesktopServices that return wrong TempLocation for root | 23:41 | |
| djszapi | uhhh that would be a dirty hack | 23:41 |
| artemma | djszapi: I do need to get it work right now somehow | 23:41 |
| * DocScrutinizer sighs | 23:41 | |
| artemma | we can call it a workaround around the DesktopServices bug | 23:42 |
| artemma | this way it sounds better | 23:42 |
| jabis | b00^portal: I have the flasher util - I can upload it if you want? | 23:42 |
| djszapi | artemma: has nothing to do with QDesktopService | 23:42 |
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| djszapi | it is not a "bug". | 23:42 |
| artemma | or really? | 23:42 |
| jabis | I srsly can't remember where I downloaded it - but it was on some of the boards | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | flasher util available on tablets.nokia.com or what it's called | 23:42 |
| artemma | djszapi: when I ask a system for a tmp location I expect to get a location where I can store tmp stuff | 23:42 |
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| wook | hellp | 23:43 |
| wook | *hello | 23:43 |
| djszapi | artemma: getenv("TMPVAR"); | 23:44 |
| djszapi | and yes, you will get it, no bugs. | 23:44 |
| jabis | djszapi: thanks for the pointer btw :) I'll prolly be porting some stuff from maemo when I'm finished with this ERP-client integration | 23:44 |
| djszapi | jabis: Harmattan is also maemo | 23:44 |
| djszapi | jabis: be precise pls. | 23:44 |
| jabis | yeh maemo6 x) | 23:44 |
| wook | i was wondering, did anyone wrote app that will change backgrounds? | 23:45 |
| artemma | djszapi: DesktopServices sounded more proper in Qt world. I'll try TMPVAR as well. Just will make sure /var/tmp is writable by root at all | 23:45 |
| artemma | wook, we are trying to debug some issues with it write now :) | 23:45 |
| djszapi | artemma: why would it sound ? Do you plan to port it to Symbian ? | 23:46 |
| wook | right now? :-O what issues? :) | 23:46 |
| djszapi | artemma: also, please spend at least 1 min with googling and qt source :) You will see the things. | 23:46 |
| artemma | djszapi: Because I am not very experienced in *nix world and try sticking to Qt | 23:46 |
| djszapi | harmattan is not really planned for QDesktopService anyways | 23:46 |
| djszapi | artemma: harmattan uses linux kernel | 23:46 |
| djszapi | so does meego | 23:46 |
| artemma | djszapi: believe me I spent many-many minutes googling. Really | 23:47 |
| djszapi | getenv is safer than ever if you do not plan to port it to Symbian | 23:47 |
| artemma | doesn't help for my level of cleverness | 23:47 |
| djszapi | even android. | 23:47 |
| Arkenoi | http://vertu-gsm.ru/nokia-n950-2sim-tv-wifi-java.html | 23:47 |
| wook | i was up to port homescreen of symbian^3 but it depends very much on system components | 23:47 |
| artemma | djszapi: I'll google how to use getenv once I figure root is able to write to somewhere | 23:48 |
| deram | Arkenoi: also here http://s.dealextreme.com/search/N9 | 23:48 |
| wook | but changeing system wallpapers in /usr/share/themes/ shouldn't be hard, right? | 23:48 |
| jabis | b00^portal: did you found what you were looking for? :) | 23:49 |
| djszapi | artemma: man getenv | 23:49 |
| jabis | s/found/find | 23:49 |
| artemma | no, root is not able to write to /var/tmp as well | 23:49 |
| * djszapi is wondering why everybody writes miniapps for only one setting instead of having one app for setting more things in one place. | 23:49 | |
| jabis | artemma: wouldn't it be faster to try setuid so you wouldn't have to worry about root writing :) | 23:49 |
| artemma | jabis: now, yes :) | 23:50 |
| artemma | never used setuid before | 23:50 |
| djszapi | artemma: ofc root is able | 23:50 |
| * artemma goes to google | 23:50 | |
| djszapi | since /var/tmp is the root fs after all | 23:50 |
| artemma | djszapi: my app fails somehow | 23:50 |
| djszapi | define somehow | 23:50 |
| artemma | exactly when run under root | 23:51 |
| b00^portal | jabis, no | 23:51 |
| wook | :D | 23:51 |
| artemma | same code with hardcoded /var/tmp is fine under user and developer | 23:51 |
| jabis | b00^portal: want me to upload it for you? | 23:51 |
| b00^portal | jabis, yea ? | 23:51 |
| jabis | b00^portal: http://www.pumppumedia.com/tmp/WinFlasher_3.12.1.exe | 23:52 |
| djszapi | artemma: I do not understand your issue, if you can set it already, what is the problem ? | 23:52 |
| djszapi | set it with user or developer if that works oob | 23:53 |
| wook | jabis, what's this? :-O | 23:53 |
| artemma | djszapi: my code is run under root when alarmd starts it | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | jabis: artemma: not setuid, start the daemon as ID:user, set up alarmd *from* a user process, start that process from e.g. xsession | 23:53 |
| djszapi | run your code as user | 23:53 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: I set alarmd from a user process | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or whatever this messed up system provides to start a normal user process on X startup | 23:53 |
| jabis | wook: it was a tablet flasher that works allegedly with N9 - haven't tested myself but it was on some nokia/meego/maemo-board :) couldn't find the link, but did find the flasher from downloads :) | 23:54 |
| artemma | well, that's exactly what I am doing | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | artemma: so you say alarmd ACTUALLY is starting root processes when user tells it to do? | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's COOL man! | 23:54 |
| * djszapi does not see the issue yet | 23:54 | |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: yes, Ive seen it via ps | 23:54 |
| wook | ahh, i thought its new fw :D | 23:54 |
| b00^portal | jabis, installing .. | 23:54 |
| artemma | djszapi: alarmd starts my app as root. This app needs to save files somewhere. I can't find a single directory that works | 23:55 |
| djszapi | artemma: seriously... ls -lda /var/tmp | 23:55 |
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| djszapi | drwxrwxrwt 3 root root 4096 Nov 2 20:13 /var/tmp | 23:55 |
| djszapi | artemma: your system is messed up | 23:55 |
| djszapi | artemma: fix your system | 23:55 |
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| jabis | b00^portal: *disclaimer* I'm in no way involved in your flashings, so don't blame me if you brick your phone :D | 23:55 |
| b00^portal | jabis, ! | 23:55 |
| artemma | well, maybe alarmd somehow limits the process rights.. if it's possible | 23:55 |
| artemma | djszapi: it doesn't work for many other people | 23:55 |
| wook | :D bricking...huh :D | 23:56 |
| b00^portal | jabis, ok, well, someone just suggested i may not need to flash it , but I want the app anyway | 23:56 |
| djszapi | artemma: many people screwed up the system | 23:56 |
| b00^portal | jabis, thanks for giving it to me | 23:56 |
| djszapi | artemma: should work oob, works here. | 23:56 |
| artemma | many people reported same stuff (from the code that fwas trying to write to default root's storage location) | 23:56 |
| jabis | b00^portal: :) | 23:56 |
| b00^portal | jabis, and you are responsible for a bricked n9 | 23:56 |
| b00^portal | are/will be | 23:56 |
| b00^portal | :P | 23:56 |
| jabis | x) | 23:56 |
| djszapi | artemma: well, /var/tmp is owned by root, so it is ofc writable for root | 23:56 |
| wook | djszapi, is there any place that isn't writable by root? | 23:57 |
| djszapi | wook: yes, many. | 23:57 |
| jabis | check that you're not trying to write /var/tmpwhateteveryouredownloading | 23:57 |
| wook | like? | 23:57 |
| jabis | (correct path :) | 23:57 |
| artemma | djszapi: I just tried touching file under root in /var/tmp/flickrwallpapers. Doesn't work - permission denied | 23:57 |
| wook | */usr/share? | 23:57 |
| djszapi | wook: well, it is really not magical, simple unix file permission model | 23:58 |
| artemma | hmm, but it works in /var/tmp | 23:58 |
| djszapi | apart from that, root is not superninja, just a simple user | 23:58 |
| wook | yes, indeed | 23:58 |
| djszapi | artemma: works for me | 23:58 |
| wook | hahahahaha :D | 23:58 |
| artemma | so root can modify files exactly in /var/tmp, but not in it's subdirectories.. | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | artemma: pretty please change your process ID to user! | 23:58 |
| artemma | DocScrutinizer: I'll do it instantly when it's clear for me how to do it | 23:58 |
| artemma | googling setuid right now | 23:58 |
| djszapi | artemma: :/var/tmp# mkdir -p hello && touch hello/world | 23:59 |
| djszapi | works oob here. | 23:59 |
| jabis | if subdirs are owned by another user and chmoded for that user only - it can't touch 'em | 23:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd think alarmd should provide a way to set user ID of the processes it spawns | 23:59 |
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