IRC log of #europython for Tuesday, 2009-01-27

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ghumgood evening19:18
xorAxAxgood evening precursor of python for the enterprise19:18
ghumallwayas include ncc170119:21
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tartley_Evening all. Tartley is Jonathan Hartley19:58
CMooneyAnyone willing to chair the meeting?19:59
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Martin_Hellwigaloha20:00
CMooneyHey20:01
Martin_Hellwighow are you doing Ciaràn ?20:01
CMooneypretty good (Hint, almost right with the accent is the other way á)20:02
Martin_Hellwigoops I mean Ciarián20:02
Martin_Hellwigwithout the extra I :-)20:02
CMooneylol! Too many i's!20:02
CMooney:)20:02
CMooneyGet much sleep in the past few days?20:03
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qwrighthi20:03
CMooneyHi q20:03
Martin_Hellwignot really, but it is for a good cause, I hope :)20:03
Martin_HellwigHey Q20:03
qwrighthi martin20:04
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qwrighthi john20:04
Martin_HellwigHello John20:04
pinnerhello all20:04
CMooneyHi John. You made it!20:04
CMooneyProblem is Martin_Hellwig, that it takes about 16 years to find out :)20:05
pinneri have a poor connection, and probably have to get out of this room soon20:05
qwrightso should we start now?20:05
pinnerso will someone else run the meeting, please20:05
pinnerI'd just like to make sure that we discuss Yusdi's proposal for the handouts at some time20:06
CMooneyI was going to mention that too. in AOD.20:06
CMooney*AOB20:06
CMooneyWhat does a chair have to do? I don't mind.20:07
pinnerOK, so I need not worry about it20:07
pinnerCMooney: follow the agenda, and try and keep it kind of on-track20:07
pinnerCMooney: and see that someone (usually Nick) records decisions20:08
CMooneyNick? Are you here?20:08
pinnerCMooney: and make sure yourself that decisions are made where needed, including assigning actions to people20:09
CMooneyOk. Think I have all that. This'll be one for the CV. :) Does it come under "herding cats"?20:09
pinnerCMooney: definitely20:10
CMooneyAnyone willing to take Nick's place and record minuets/decisions?20:10
qwrightOK I'll do it20:10
CMooneyThanks.20:10
pinneras long as someone is keeping an IRC log, a lot is covered. Is anyone keeping a log?20:10
CMooneyIf I knew how I would. I could just copy and paste the XChat IRC window.20:11
tartley_the one at http://mg.pov.lt appears to be logging this meeting correctly20:11
tartley_specifically http://mg.pov.lt/europython-irclog/%23europython.2009-01-27.log.html20:11
pinnerso we will have to get the log from marius: it's covered20:12
CMooneyOOO pretty.20:12
mgedminpinner: you want the plain-text version?  drop the .html from the url20:12
CMooneyI'm logging it too, I think.20:12
pinnerCMooney: so you can start20:13
CMooneyRight.20:13
CMooneyFirst item : Apologies.20:13
pinnermgedmin: yes, thanks20:13
pinnerwe have apologies from yusdi20:13
pinnerdon't know of any others20:13
* jacob22 apologises for being here.20:13
CMooneyAnd I'll remember to mention his booklets in AOB.20:13
* pinner winks at jacob2220:14
CMooneyFor those of you who would like to read Yushdi's suggestion before we get to it, http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/europython-improve/2009-January/000529.html20:14
CMooneyIf there are no more.20:14
CMooneySecond item : Review actions from last meeting.20:14
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CMooneyI wasn't here for that meeting. But the agenda mentions the europython..org domain, and trying to get it all over to europytoon.eu20:15
qwrighthave we a link to the actions list?20:16
pinnerThe europython.org dns transfer is complete, thanks to mal20:16
CMooneyJohn has asked, "what mail addresses do we want set up for europython.eu/europython.org? I have no idea of what has been in use20:16
CMooneyhistorically."20:16
CMooneyqwright, I don't have one. pinner?20:16
nickbookerqwright: i'm still in the middle of writing it.  Sorry :-*)20:16
ghumCMooney: we need email-adresses for "functions"20:17
ghumand they should be connected to mailinglists20:17
jacob22I suggest that we drop all references to europython.org, since the owner is so unwilling to let go of the domain.20:17
ghumlike "trackchairs@ep.eu", or "talks@ep.eu"20:17
ghumand "sponsoring@ep.eu"20:17
pinnerthe important thing is we need to know what addresses are out there in use on europython.org20:17
pinnerso we don't lose anything20:18
CMooneySo emails send to either "talks@ep.eu" and "sponsorship@ep.eu" end up on our mailing list?20:18
pinneron europython.eu we can set up whatever we need now20:18
CMooneyCan we get a forward set up from europython.org emails forwared to ep.eu equivalents?20:18
pinnerwe have some mailing lists, which go to python.org, like europython and europython-improve20:19
Martin_Hellwigwasnt the for the org domain set to one of the mail servers in our control?20:19
Martin_Hellwigthe mx records I mean20:19
pinnerCMooney: yes, but we need to know what they are, we don't want to accept just any old spam if we can avoid it20:19
jacob22We have had europython, europython-announce, europython-improve and europython-contact. I think also a europython-admin or something. I don't know of any more20:20
pinnerMartin_Hellwig: yes20:20
CMooneyOf course. Can we get a list of currently used emails from the current owner?20:20
pinnerjacob22: they are mailing lists20:20
pinnerCMooney: not that I know of20:20
CMooneyCan someone do it the hard way and look through the old website for references?20:21
pinnerCMooney: sounds like a reasonable idea, we just need a volunteer!20:22
Martin_HellwigWell I fail to see if this is really neccesary, if we just set up that all org mails go to the mail list, the we can answer from the new eu domain20:22
CMooneyRight. First, where is the old site. Then we need a volunteer to get the old email addresses. Once we have them do we set up equivalents on ep.eu or can we get them forwarded?20:22
tartley_Is it amenable to a grep-like search, or are you thinking of a manual click-on-all-links then search on page for '@|at'20:23
CMooneytartley_, As long as you know how to grep (I don't. I'm a sledgehammer to crack a nut kinda guy).20:24
CMooneyMartin_Hellwig, I think we are trying to cut down on possible spam. (See Johns comment)20:24
pinnerCMooney: the old site is linked to from the new20:24
pinnerCMooney:specifically it is ep2008.org, I think20:25
pinnerCMooney: and there is a page on the new site which links to all the old sites20:25
CMooneyhttp://www.europython2008.eu/20:25
CMooneyIs the old site.20:26
Martin_HellwigCMooney, okay but this is just for a year, next year we can drop the forward20:26
Martin_Hellwigand piping through spamassassin will help a lot I think20:26
pinnerhttp://europython.eu/about/ has the links to all old sites20:27
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pinneris there anything specific you need from me before I leave?20:28
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pinnerhello richard20:28
Richard_SmedleyHello John, apologies for lateness, etc.20:29
pinnerRichard_Smedley: and I apologise for having to leave early; CMooney is chairing this meeting20:29
pinnerso no questions for me?20:30
* pinner waves good night20:30
Martin_Hellwignot from me, good night john20:31
Richard_SmedleyHello Ciaran, I'll just sit quietly at the back, and pay attention ;-)20:31
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qwrightCMooney: All seems to have gone quiet?20:35
Martin_Hellwigyes we are waiting on our leader to guide us :-)20:35
fuzzymandamn20:35
fuzzymanforgot20:35
fuzzymansorry20:35
qwrightOK !! Ciaran is chairing20:36
qwrightfuzzyman: and hello too!20:36
fuzzymanhello everyone20:37
Martin_Hellwighello20:38
tartley_hey20:38
Martin_HellwigCiarán, next agenda point?20:41
nickbookerwhat's the current agenda point? (I arrived late - sorry)20:44
ThomasWaldmannmoin :)20:44
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CMooney_Hello!20:44
CMooney_Sorry my internet connection died.20:44
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zethHi20:44
qwrightHi Zeth20:45
nickbookerhi zeth20:45
CMooney_Was there any progres on the email discussion?20:45
Martin_Hellwignope we waited on our fearless leader ;-)20:45
zethSorry I have been in random movement in Germany all day20:45
zethI am reading the scrollback now20:45
CMooney_Sorry to all. My internet connection died. And I've been running around getting it working again.20:46
CMooney_I'll leave the emails until the next meeting then. As its getting late20:46
CMooney_Next Item : Wiki20:46
Martin_Hellwigack20:46
CMooney_* Styling - Any news from Radomir, TheSheep?20:46
CMooney_* Structure - no comments, everyone seems happy.20:46
CMooney_* Population - some people have started this. Thanks Ciaran, input from more people would be welcome.20:46
CMooney_* Organisers' pages - see wiki.europython.eu/Organisers Nick to update.20:47
CMooney_Thats from the agenda.20:47
CMooney_So TheSheep? Any news?20:47
ThomasWaldmann(in case he does not respond: he was very busy on other stuff, so not much news)20:48
CMooney_K. Shall we finish discussing the styling of the Wiki then? Assume it has all been sorted?20:48
CMooney_Nothing? So wiki styling sorted.20:49
* ThomasWaldmann will upgrade the wiki to 1.8.2 after its release :)20:49
CMooney_Ok. As long as it works!20:49
CMooney_:)20:49
ThomasWaldmannsure20:49
CMooney_Nothing to worry about the structure. Took me 2 secs to figure out there were multiple tabs, but that seems logical.20:49
CMooney_Population of Wiki.20:50
ThomasWaldmannlol, conference widows20:50
CMooney_I've done quite a bit of copying and pasting from the PyConUK wiki. So it looks a bit fuller now. However it still needs some love. Mainly the FAQ section. There are some questions that I cannot answer, and not even sure there is an answer yet.20:50
CMooney_http://wiki.europython2009.eu/FAQ20:51
ThomasWaldmannbtw, I would suggest having ONLY the wiki for room sharing coordination, not wiki and ml20:51
CMooney_There is "How expensive is this conference?" , When is booking opening? and How can I contact the organisers?20:51
zethCheaper by the day if you are in the eurozone ;)20:52
CMooney_ThomasWaldmann, Not sure how we could prevent people from not using the mailing list. I hoped it would be useful to have.20:52
zethWe did have a date for booking opening20:52
CMooney_More importantly the wiki needs to be publicised more.20:52
CMooney_zeth, When is that, and I'll add it to the wiki.20:52
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zethIt was in the dates we sent before, but they were perhaps optimistic?20:54
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ThomasWaldmannCMooney_: you can't prevent it, but I guess it would be better coordination and a single point where to look if it was not suggested on the wiki to use the mailing list for that20:54
zethI don't have a very strong signal here so I am not going to search through the emails.20:54
fuzzymanSorry - my internet is misbehaving20:54
fuzzymanWhat is the cost for the conference?20:54
zethBooking opens when we are ready I suppose20:54
zethI am not aware that has been decided yet20:55
fuzzymanI added us to a Microsoft calendar (DeveloperFusion) and had to guess :-)20:55
zethWhat number did you make up?20:55
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CMooney_Do we have a vauge month even?20:55
zethvague month? We have an exact date20:56
qwrightCMooney: Registration opens 14th Feb (St Valentine's Day)20:56
fuzzymanzeth: I think I used last years figure for PyCon UK20:56
zethOr for the booking (I thought you meant the conference)20:56
CMooney_ThomasWaldmann, I agree, that may be better. Point people at the wiki in the opening booking announcement?20:56
fuzzymanzeth: I think I can edit it if it changes though20:56
zeth14th Feb is the date20:56
CMooney_zeth, Brilliant I'll add that to the wiki later.20:56
CMooney_unless someone gets there before me.20:57
qwrightCMooney: Deadline for Talk Submissions: 1st April (All Fool's Day)20:57
zethI think we might need to ask pinner, qwright et al if we are ready?20:57
CMooney_lol. K. Will add that too. If it's not already there.20:57
ghumand ladys registering on 14th will get a flower in addition to their badge20:57
CMooney_zeth, qwright seems very confident at the moment.20:57
CMooney_ghum, What do the men get??20:57
CMooney_...20:57
zethsince they do the shopping cart20:57
qwrightCMooney: Schedule Published: 14th May 200920:57
CMooney_Q is sending me dates as we speak.20:58
zethWell I am assuming we are using all the same booking stuff as last year, if so then it won't take too long.20:58
fuzzymanany update on number of talks submitted?20:58
CMooney_Can the wiki be made promonent/suggested in any announcements as the place to go for info etc.20:58
zethHas moreati been around the hotels yet?20:59
fuzzymansounds good20:59
fuzzymanwiki has been underused20:59
zethI think finances will be worked out when we know what conference hotel we are using.20:59
CMooney_zeth, Not yet. He will be doing it soon as far as I know.20:59
ghumCMooney_: they get to pay for the flower.20:59
qwrightzeth: He didn't come on Saturday - we have heard nothing about hotels20:59
zethsince for most people the hotel will be the biggest cost20:59
CMooney_qwright, Yes he did. I sat next to him. Unless I imagined it.... He said he would look around hotels during his lunch break.21:00
CMooney_Last on the wiki bit is.21:00
qwrightCMooney: Oops21:00
CMooney_* Organisers' pages - see wiki.europython.eu/Organisers Nick to update.21:00
CMooney_nickbooker, any news?21:00
zethLast year's europython fees are here: http://www.europython2008.eu/Registration21:01
nickbookerI'm putting up the actions etc from the last meeting as I speak.  Sorry it's late.21:01
zethThey seem a bit high?21:01
zethconsidering the credit crunch, and the rate of the pound?21:01
qwrightnickbooker: where will they be?21:01
CMooney_nickbooker, Ok. Is there anything else worth adding to the organisers page. I tried to start a team page on the wiki, put it under the Helping tab (http://wiki.europython.eu/Helping)21:02
zeth160 euros is a lot these days21:02
nickbookerBut linked to from /MeetingActions21:02
CMooney_http://wiki.europython.eu/MeetingActions21:02
nickbookerI haven't got anything for MeetingNumber3 - I think that was the one on new year.21:03
CMooney_If you don't have anything, then we can't put it up! :)21:03
nickbookertoo true21:03
zeth PyConUK was 90 pound standard, 65 pound extra-early bird, and 75 not so early bird.21:04
zethEuropython last year was 160 euros standard, 100 euros early21:04
CMooney_zeth, We will have to leave that discussion until another time. As we don't  have any input from Alex about hotels etc.21:04
CMooney_Maybe add it to the next meetings agenda?21:04
CMooney_Anything more about the wiki?21:05
zethnope21:05
zethgood stuff21:05
ghumgtg21:06
ghumbye!21:06
CMooney_Then to summarise. Styling - Done, Structure - Done, populating - being done, and the wiki should be mentioned in announcements for coordinating effort. I will add important dates to the FAQ and other relavant parts of the wiki.21:06
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CMooney_Next Item : Talks.21:06
CMooney_* Submissions System. Operational. next stage is to interface with21:07
CMooney_last year's backend to generate the web pages/time table etc (Action:21:07
CMooney_John, Zeth)21:07
CMooney_How's the submissions stuff coming along?21:07
zethCarry over ;)21:07
CMooney_K. Nice and easy.21:07
zethI will try to do some this week21:07
zethLast week was a bit of a riot21:07
CMooney_Next item : Keynotes21:07
CMooney_Confirmed: Prof Sir Tony Hoare, Cory Doctorow, Jim Hugunin. No more21:07
CMooney_action needed for now.21:07
CMooney_That's done as well I suppose?21:07
zethBeing a full-time worker is a bit different than being a student :(21:08
CMooney_zeth, Yup. Make the real-world nice and comfortable, for when I arrive. Should be in about 10 years.21:08
zeth;)21:08
fuzzymanany response from Steve Holden21:08
fuzzyman?21:08
zeth[CMooney_: just ready for the next recession]21:09
CMooney_fuzzyman, I have no idea. John seemed fairly happy with the keynote situation on saturday.21:09
fuzzymanok21:09
fuzzymanI think we have asked Steve as well21:09
qwrightfuzzyman: pinner had said not so far21:09
CMooney_Not asked, or not heard back?21:09
qwrightI think heard back21:10
CMooney_Ok.21:10
CMooney_Next Item : Sprints21:10
CMooney_I have no more news. Do the PyPy guys wnat to a couple of days before21:10
CMooney_(28th/29th June) and a couple after (4th/5th July)?21:10
CMooney_Anyone got any news on this?21:10
fuzzymananyone heard from the PyPy guys?21:10
fuzzymanI know that at least one will probably need financial assistance to attend21:11
fuzzymanshall I ask on the PyPy IRC channel?21:11
CMooney_fuzzyman, If you could find out for us and get back. May I put you down as "actioning"? :)21:11
fuzzymanOk :-)21:12
fuzzymanI'll ask them21:12
CMooney_Thanks.21:12
CMooney_Next Item : Publicity/Announcement21:12
CMooney_Martin_Hellwig, "Martin will report"21:12
CMooney_So whats the word?21:12
Martin_HellwigMichael has written that announcement21:13
CMooney_Is he here?21:13
fuzzymanWe had an entry on the PyCon blog and on python.org21:13
fuzzymanwho?21:13
zethfuzzyman: Europython had a surplus from last year? Maybe we could get sponsorship also? Sprints are very important since we were crap at it in the UK21:13
Martin_Hellwigall other channels as in the sheet in the subversion directory hsve been contacted21:13
fuzzymanzeth: I will tell him to apply21:14
Martin_Hellwigno new contacts have stepped up so far21:14
CMooney_Martin_Hellwig, That can be considered done then. Are you willing to keep an eye, and send out any the annoucment should any other channels come forward?21:14
Martin_Hellwigyes21:14
CMooney_Good idea zeth21:14
CMooney_I'll put you as "actioning with intent to inform"21:15
CMooney_:)21:15
CMooney_Thanks.21:15
CMooney_Next Item : Sponsorship21:15
CMooney_Quentin has been working on the brochure. John has contacted21:15
CMooney_Microsoft, Sun and Google. They all want a brochure.21:15
Martin_Hellwigexcellent21:15
qwrightIt's nearly done. Thanks for the input on Saturday. I just need a couple of hours on it and then pass it by Jacob21:16
CMooney_Great.21:16
CMooney_I've found a lot of nice looking photos from PyConUK last year on Flickr, from TedLeung and someone else (can't remember) they are all copyrighted by default. I will email the owners and see if we can get permission to use them in the brochure (and other material).21:16
fuzzymanSpeaking to one of the PyPy guys on IRC - they are tied up with another sprint and see the EuroPython one as too far away to think about at the moment21:16
fuzzymanCMooney_: cool21:17
CMooney_Once that's done, does anyone have a burning desire to edit and tweak them. Otherwise I am happy to do so, and add it all to the repo.21:17
CMooney_fuzzyman, Thanks for that. That'll have to be noted, down and someone needs to ask them in the future.21:17
zethAre there new projects that we could hosts sprints for? There must be something else written in Python apart from PyPy21:17
qwrightThere was mention of a list of sponsors from last year's EP, but I haven't seen it yet......21:18
CMooney_qwright, Would you like some more pictures for the brochure or are you ok?21:18
qwrightCMooney: I'm OK21:18
CMooney_Good.21:18
Martin_Hellwigpython3 for a sprint?21:18
fuzzymanqwright: what about contacting all the PyCon US sponsors?21:18
fuzzymanMartin_Hellwig: we would need at least one Python core developer for that21:18
zethHas anyone spoken to Jacob about a Django sprint, especially since he came last year.21:18
qwrightfuzzyman: I have the list of organisations, but no contact names21:19
fuzzymanqwright: right21:19
CMooney_qwright, Are you ok getting contact names21:20
CMooney_zeth, Could you contact Jacob and ask?21:20
qwrightfuzzyman: I could try and contact the Pycon sponsorship person(s) - will have to look them up21:20
zethCMooney_: Okay21:20
zethwill do21:21
CMooney_K.21:21
zethCan you put it in the minutes?21:21
fuzzymanDo we have money to bring anyone over from the US?21:21
CMooney_I floated an idea to contact all speakers once we have them, and ask if they'd like to host sprints.21:21
zethfuzzyman: like whom?21:21
fuzzymanMark Ramm would probably come and talk about / sprint on Turbogears21:21
CMooney_zeth, That's up to nickbooker.21:21
fuzzymanbut would need assistance21:21
CMooney_zeth action : contacting jacob KM to find out about Django sprint.21:22
fuzzymanhis flight paying for and possibly his accomodation21:22
fuzzymanis Nick here?21:22
zeth[cool, is nickbooker around after the meeting?]21:22
nickbooker'tis in the chat logs.  I make the minutes from that.21:22
fuzzymanok21:22
fuzzymanoh21:22
fuzzymanI got confused21:22
fuzzymanwho holds the purse strings for EuroPython?21:23
zethAre there any other open source projects in the UK people can think of?21:23
CMooney_qwright, Are you ok with the current sponsorship situation? Shall I put you down as contacting pycon US guys for more contacts.21:23
CMooney_moodle? but they are PHP guys.21:23
qwrightCMooney: yes,yes21:23
fuzzymanEurope - not just the UK21:23
zethsorry21:23
zethopps21:23
zethEurope21:23
CMooney_qwright, K.21:23
zethyes, what Europe projects are there?21:23
CMooney_none that I can think of.21:24
fuzzymanhmmm...21:24
qwrightCMooney: Have we done Sponsorship for the time being - I'll have to stop shortly21:24
fuzzyman who sprinted last year?21:24
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fuzzymanwe should contact all of them at least21:25
CMooney_qwright, Ok. I think as long as we have a brochure we have something to send.21:25
Richard_SmedleyI know OSAF are USA, but are _any_ of the Chandler programmers European?21:25
CMooney_fuzzyman, Not many. And they were all Django.21:25
fuzzymanCMooney_: ok21:25
qwrightCMooney: OK time is a bit tight at the moment21:25
CMooney_There was some talk of a health-care system, but that was building from scratch rather than hacking on a project.21:25
fuzzymanCanonical have a presence in the UK21:25
CMooney_qwright, Fair enough. We may have to hand it over to someone else in the future then.21:25
fuzzymanaren't the Bzr guys intending to sprint?21:26
zethBazaar is good21:26
zethgreat minds think alike, lets ask them21:26
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CMooney_are they? fuzzyman tell them to add it to the wiki then!21:26
CMooney_zeth, or fuzzyman Could you ask them?21:26
fuzzymanI thought there was some on list discussion21:26
fuzzymanI can ask someone21:26
CMooney_Thanks. If you get a yes, put it on the wiki.21:27
zethMaybe we could think about some ideas for a new project, something smallish that can be released after 3 days?21:27
zethbut something that will excite people to come and join in21:27
fuzzymanI don't think I can spare the time off to stay for the sprints :-(21:27
ThomasWaldmannbtw, someone from mercurial at EP?21:27
CMooney_Time is dragging on and we have lots of agenda items. Zeth, thats a good idea, can you write them down and add them to the next agenda?21:27
zethWhat about openmoko are any of them in the UK, their OS is based on Python21:27
CMooney_We need to move on I think.21:28
zethyup21:28
zethok21:28
CMooney_Next item : Accommodation21:28
CMooney_The costs on the accommodation page will be updated before the next21:28
CMooney_meeting. We are trying to negotiate rates for a better hotel than the21:28
CMooney_Etap as the main conference hotel. Holiday Inn have offered £85.21:28
CMooney_Prices needed from Premier Inn etc21:28
* ThomasWaldmann somehow finds it a bit inappriate if there is more git stuff at a python conference than python DVCS stuff21:28
CMooney_As far as I know Alex is still getting prices.21:28
CMooney_I shall ask him about his progress, so we can get costs sorted.21:29
zethcool21:29
zethI think our non-brummee friends are getting sick of the etap21:29
CMooney_Anyone got any comments about this?21:29
CMooney_K. Next Item : 10. Registration etc21:30
CMooney_We have applied for a new improved PayPal Website Payments Pro21:30
CMooney_account. A booking page will be done when we know the hotel costs. The21:30
CMooney_plan is to have this up during February and offer an extra early bird21:30
CMooney_discount for a limited period (say one week). Alex (moreati) has21:30
CMooney_started updating Dinu's badge software so that all the21:30
CMooney_conference-specific information will be held in the pickle.21:30
CMooney_Seems that is all in order. Unless anyone has any comments?21:30
CMooney_There is a subversion repository with Trac for software and conference21:30
CMooney_materials at http://repo.uk-archive.net/trac It's password-protected21:30
CMooney_so ask if you need access.21:30
CMooney_Everyone ok with this?21:31
CMooney_(Sorry that was quite a bit of spamming)21:31
CMooney_Next (and last) Item : AOB21:32
CMooney_I'd just like to mention Yushi's suggestion21:32
CMooney_http://mail.python.org/mailman/private/europython-improve/2009-January/000529.html21:32
CMooney_His idea is to use booklets in the swag bags. My opinion is when we stuff bags it probably won't make our lives any easier (or any harder).21:33
zethI am on slow hotel internet21:33
zethcan you explain it21:33
zethWe discussed this before21:34
CMooney_Using a folder/booklet instead of binding our conference material.21:34
zethI have not read the email yet21:34
zethbut we decided before to use a carboard folder21:34
zethor to look into it21:34
zethso it can be stuffed when we do the bags21:34
* Richard_Smedley has to dash off and get kids from brass band practice. Will try and contribute a bit more via mailing lists. Waves bye.21:35
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zethI think John was going to get a quote from the normal printer21:35
CMooney_Is the idea that it would be pre-done before the conference and put in the piles to be added to bags.21:35
zethwell that is difficult21:35
zethbecause the paper won't be ready until the day before21:36
CMooney_Would it be worth adding this to next meetings agenda, then it can get discussed properly.21:36
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zethThe delegates list and schedule are not ready until just before21:36
CMooney_Everyone seems a bit quiet, and we are all (I think) tired.21:36
zethyou can't make a conference book without those in21:36
zethso the idea is a bit of a non-stater21:36
CMooney_Me too. It will cost money, and  not be of great benefit. But I'd like the input of others first. So I will suggest it for the next meetings agenda.21:37
Martin_Hellwigyes next time please, my son decided to cry and have to feed him :-)21:38
zethWe can't carry everything over21:38
zethjust declare it dead21:38
zethand move on21:38
CMooney_Ok. As I see it, we coped ok last year without them. So dead.21:38
CMooney_Meeting finished I think.21:38
CMooney_Martin_Hellwig, Go feed your son!21:38
Martin_Hellwigalready doing :-)21:39
zethYou didn't have 8 of them did you?21:39
CMooney_Sorry for the length of the meeting. It didn't help my internet dying for 15mins.21:39
nickbookerok21:39
fuzzymanok21:39
CMooney_nickbooker, Are you Ok to do the minutes and post them to the mailing list or something?21:39
Martin_Hellwigno, but it sure feels like it21:39
fuzzyman8 sons??21:39
CMooney_Martin_Hellwig, lol21:39
CMooney_Thanks all. I'm off to eat too.21:39
nickbookerCMooney_: I'll put it on the same page and send an email with a link when it's ready.21:40
fuzzymanAnyway - who do I talk to about EP possibly flying in Mark Ramm?21:40
fuzzymanshould I approach him?21:40
CMooney_nickbooker,  Thanks.21:40
fuzzymanI spoke informally to him late last year21:40
nickbookernext meeting at time suggested in agenda?21:40
fuzzymanok21:40
nickbooker(Feb 10th, 18:00 GMT)?21:40
fuzzymanoh - sorry21:40
CMooney_Sorry! Yes! Forgot21:40
CMooney_Next meeting, everyone!21:40
CMooney_Is the 10th Feb OK?21:40
fuzzymanbye21:40
zethfuzzyman: I would speak to michael foord21:40
fuzzymanso if he says yes we can do it?21:41
fuzzymanI can ask him...21:41
zethI would reckon21:41
fuzzymanI think he is likely to say yes21:41
zethI lost the plot a bit, is Alex the treasurer again?21:41
CMooney_zeth, of PyConUK yes, but of EuroPython... I don't know.21:41
zethWe don't seem to have the normal europython sweden people21:41
nickbookergtg.  see you next time21:42
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CMooney_Unless there are any objections, the next meeting will be on the 10th.21:42
fuzzymansounds good21:42
CMooney_k.21:42
Martin_Hellwig+121:42
fuzzymanis tartley still here?21:42
zethfuzzyman: you could explore it in pencil21:42
fuzzymanhe's unusually quiet21:42
CMooney_Done. Can I eat now? :)21:42
fuzzymanzeth: in pencil????21:42
fuzzyman:-)21:42
zethfuzzyman: float the idea, then firm up it with whoever is controlling the money21:42
fuzzymanok21:42
zethA big fat red crayon21:42
Martin_Hellwigyes fearless leader you can eat now :-)21:42
CMooney_Night all.21:43
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Martin_Hellwiggoodnigh21:43
Martin_Hellwigt21:43
zethnight21:43
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jacob22Mmm. I see that Quentin hasn't received my stuff about sponsors. I must have the wrong email address for him. Could someone send it to me?21:47
ThomasWaldmannlaptop locks?21:48
jacob22ThomasWaldmann: ?21:49
ThomasWaldmanni read it on the tips page on the wiki21:49
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ThomasWaldmannnot sure why I'ld need one21:50
zethTo tie your laptop down if you use it in a pub or cafe or somewhere21:56
zeththis is England after all ;)21:56
ThomasWaldmannwell, I usually don't leave it alone.21:57
ThomasWaldmannand in case those kensington locks are meant, they are no real issue if someone really wants it and is prepared21:58
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ThomasWaldmannMoinMoin greets PyPy21:59
ThomasWaldmannhttp://geekandpoke.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341d3df553ef010536ef18c3970b-pi < about duck typing22:02
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fuzzymanlooks like we might have a Turbogears and Pocoo sprint22:41
fuzzymantwo separate sprints22:41
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