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| Aiste | hi all, had some temperature yesterday and could not participate in the meeting | 11:31 |
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| Aiste | I am receiving an official proposal from the hotel some time this week and will have numbers as to how much it will cost | 11:31 |
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| pboddie | Aiste: Sorry you couldn't make it yesterday! | 13:44 |
| pboddie | As you can see from the logs, we had a fairly interesting peripheral discussion. | 13:44 |
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| pboddie | zeth: Are you there? | 15:22 |
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| pboddie | MrTopf: Had a look at the RSS stuff last night, but the feedparser stuff seems to throw away the title of blog posts, preferring the media:title content. | 16:08 |
| MrTopf | did you test it with the feedburner feed? | 16:09 |
| MrTopf | Feddburner can also create HTML for you if that's easier. will be used with an embed-Tag then | 16:09 |
| pboddie | No, but I think the Ubuntu version of feedparser is to blame, possibly the upstream version, too. | 16:09 |
| MrTopf | I use feedparser in the planet-Stuff I do for Second Life and usually it seems to work | 16:10 |
| pboddie | I'd rather use a MoinMoin macro, really. Don't like embedding other site's HTML, and it doesn't fit that well into the MoinMoin model, either. | 16:10 |
| MrTopf | well, planet uses it | 16:10 |
| MrTopf | understandable | 16:10 |
| MrTopf | was thinking about it as last resort ;-) | 16:11 |
| pboddie | The SAX processing seems to overload title, media:title and something else as the title, and I guess that the last element overrides the earlier ones. | 16:11 |
| pboddie | For what I need to do, it'd probably be easier to parse the XML myself. | 16:11 |
| MrTopf | Hm, media:title probably is wrong.. | 16:12 |
| MrTopf | strange though i never had problems with feedparser | 16:12 |
| pboddie | Are they interchangeable? | 16:12 |
| MrTopf | how do you use it? you use it yourself or via some macro? | 16:13 |
| pboddie | Firefox's preview of the feed has no problems, either. | 16:13 |
| MrTopf | no, media:title in the feedburner feed says just "Tao" | 16:13 |
| pboddie | feedparser.parse, I think. | 16:13 |
| MrTopf | which is strange actually, probably my username from wordpress | 16:13 |
| pboddie | Yes, I suspected that. | 16:13 |
| pboddie | Was really aiming to only have a very simple list of blog post titles and nothing much more. We could have a separate page with a Planet-like view. | 16:14 |
| MrTopf | http://pastebin.com/m4364948c is the HTML output should you need it | 16:15 |
| pboddie | Can the Wordpress stuff act like a Planet? Or were suggesting that we have a number of contributors for that blog? | 16:15 |
| pboddie | Thanks. | 16:15 |
| MrTopf | I think we should have a group of contributors | 16:16 |
| MrTopf | I think we maybe should do a planet additionally | 16:16 |
| MrTopf | or some search on technorati which we can embed via RSS | 16:16 |
| MrTopf | does MoinMoin also have macros for e.g. flickr? e.g. tag searches | 16:16 |
| MrTopf | might be nice to have, too. automatically generated list of photos from the conference | 16:17 |
| pboddie | I'll have a look. | 16:17 |
| pboddie | Maybe keep things quite simple at first. Not everyone is as accomplished as you are in the blogging arena. | 16:17 |
| pboddie | ;-) | 16:17 |
| MrTopf | well, writing a blog entry is not really that much different from writing to a mailing list or a news item ;-) | 16:18 |
| MrTopf | it can also be one person which maybe puts the important things on there | 16:18 |
| MrTopf | like registration start, end of early bird etc. | 16:18 |
| MrTopf | btw, regarding logo contest.. there should be something to win ;-) | 16:18 |
| MrTopf | like free entry or so ;-) | 16:19 |
| MrTopf | or free conf dinner or some sponsor jumps in and offers some Sun workstations or so ;-) | 16:19 |
| pboddie | I imagine that I'll be doing most of the posting, but perhaps access to a number of people could be granted. | 16:19 |
| pboddie | I don't think that many of the people who have been organising things are big bloggers. | 16:19 |
| pboddie | Prizes? Surely the fame is enough! ;-) | 16:20 |
| MrTopf | ok :) | 16:20 |
| * MrTopf puts EuroPython up on upcoming.org | 16:20 | |
| MrTopf | was "Konstitucijos pr." the right address? | 16:21 |
| MrTopf | seems so | 16:22 |
| pboddie | Here's the publicity page: http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/Publicity | 16:23 |
| pboddie | Any other ideas would be most welcome! | 16:23 |
| pboddie | http://www.revalhotels.com/en/Hotels/Lithuania/Reval-Hotel-Lietuva/Business/Contact-Us_0 | 16:23 |
| MrTopf | http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/440066 | 16:25 |
| MrTopf | I have no user I notice... | 16:26 |
| MrTopf | and the login page does not say how to create one | 16:26 |
| pboddie | I've added it anyway. | 16:27 |
| pboddie | I guess I should try and customise the login page. | 16:27 |
| MrTopf | oh, it does | 16:27 |
| pboddie | I only added notes about it to the participants page. | 16:27 |
| MrTopf | but it maybe should be some headline "No user yet?" or "Register new user" | 16:27 |
| MrTopf | what about a new toplevel entry "Participate" ? | 16:28 |
| pboddie | I wonder if there's some kind of macro for that. | 16:29 |
| MrTopf | because now I am unable to find the Publicity page again by browsing ;-) | 16:29 |
| pboddie | Yes, I think we can change the menu bar. | 16:29 |
| MrTopf | ah, it appears when you are on the page but disappears when you are in another top level item | 16:29 |
| pboddie | Search for publicity! ;-) | 16:30 |
| pboddie | Yes, the planning stuff is currently on the volunteers page. | 16:30 |
| pboddie | And in the planning category, of course. | 16:30 |
| MrTopf | I am just describing what I am doing as an outsider ;-) | 16:30 |
| pboddie | But that's great: the problem with Web sites is that developers know too much about the content, so you need someone to come in and tell them how it is. | 16:31 |
| pboddie | http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/LoginHint tells you to log in. | 16:32 |
| pboddie | I'll see if I can get that added. | 16:32 |
| MrTopf | basically if the homepage says "Participate" it should be easy to find this also in the wiki | 16:34 |
| MrTopf | great :) | 16:34 |
| MrTopf | I also posted it to Pownce | 16:34 |
| MrTopf | http://pownce.com/mrtopf/notes/1411192/ | 16:34 |
| pboddie | I'll also see if I can get the menu to have Participate/Participants rather than Places to Stay, since the latter fits in under Location well enough. | 16:36 |
| pboddie | I was also skeptical about Sprints in the menu, but people are quite passionate about them. | 16:36 |
| pboddie | And I suppose they don't fit conveniently under Events. | 16:36 |
| Aiste | pboddie: indeed a long and interesting discussion yesterday, sorry i missed it | 16:41 |
| pboddie | Wow, voting stuff: http://moinmo.in/MacroMarket/VotingStars | 16:43 |
| pboddie | Aiste: We just talked about stuff which didn't involve you, John or Laura, and there turned out to be quite enough to discuss. | 16:43 |
| pboddie | Aiste: Quite a lot of log text to read as a result. | 16:44 |
| Aiste | yeah... | 16:44 |
| pboddie | MrTopf is enthusiastic, though. ;-) | 16:46 |
| MrTopf | :-) | 16:48 |
| MrTopf | btw for blogging you can use a Firefox extension which is quite handy | 16:48 |
| MrTopf | http://scribefire.com | 16:48 |
| pboddie | I'm a paranoid person when it comes to browser extensions. Thankfully, I'm motivated enough to not need them, however. :-) | 16:50 |
| pboddie | * Remembers bad things about the LinkedIn extension. | 16:51 |
| MrTopf | new blog post: http://europython.wordpress.com/ :-) | 16:52 |
| MrTopf | there are also external blog editors | 16:52 |
| pboddie | Stuff to test with the RSS reader when I get home tonight. | 16:52 |
| MrTopf | they usually help with creating tags for technorati | 16:52 |
| pboddie | Yes, they used to be quite fashionable. Probably a few for KDE, I imagine. | 16:53 |
| MrTopf | I hope so :) I only know some for Mac | 16:53 |
| MrTopf | but Flock also has an editor builtin | 16:53 |
| MrTopf | then it's not really an extension but part of the browser ;-) | 16:53 |
| MrTopf | but if you see that browser as blog editor maybe it works ;-) | 16:53 |
| MrTopf | and another blog post | 16:56 |
| MrTopf | next I might do a logo ;-) | 16:56 |
| pboddie | You don't have much time, though. ;-) | 16:57 |
| pboddie | In terms of publicity, I guess I should alert python.org - that's the volume audience in the Python scene. | 16:58 |
| MrTopf | yes, would be good to start to spread it | 17:00 |
| MrTopf | does europython.org have some Google analytics or similar thing set up? | 17:00 |
| pboddie | I must send a mail about that tonight. If you're willing to do more publicity stuff, feel free to put your name by the appropriate role on the Volunteers page. | 17:01 |
| MrTopf | always good to see where people go on the site and what might need to be moved to get more attention | 17:01 |
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| MrTopf | I mostly can do such things as I started now, like doing the social media stuff. I was also thinking about setting up a twitter account for EuroPython and following a ton of people so that they might follow back. The content of that twitter stream could then be the RSS feed, too | 17:02 |
| pboddie | On Google Analytics, I'm not so inclined to go that far, really. It could be interesting, but I'm not so convinced that it's part of the easy 90%. | 17:02 |
| pboddie | Well, if you put your name down somewhere, it reminds people that you're on the case. You seem to have more ideas than the rest of us put together. | 17:03 |
| pboddie | On that easy 90%, things can quickly become very involved, in my experience. There are a lot of things I could consider doing, but then I'd be spending all my time on EP, and I'm not sure what the returns are after a while. | 17:04 |
| MrTopf | well, setting up Google Analytics is really just 10 minutes of work, depending on how difficult it is to put the JS-snippet into the template | 17:04 |
| pboddie | Last year, things expanded across the disciplines, so I started out doing publicity stuff and ended up with a finger in every piece of the pie. | 17:05 |
| MrTopf | I can also do that GA stuff but of course I'd need access (and I have no clue about MoinMoin) ;-) | 17:05 |
| MrTopf | but I could at least provide the snippet | 17:05 |
| pboddie | Perhaps we should wait on GA. Besides, tying into the Googlesphere may make people a bit concerned. ;-) | 17:06 |
| MrTopf | I can also provide a non-GA snippet ;-) | 17:06 |
| MrTopf | and hey, Google is big in Python ;-) | 17:06 |
| MrTopf | and Python people you can trust! ;-) | 17:07 |
| pboddie | I'm inclined to minimise Web site plumbing. The RSS stuff is important and something we were already planning to do, but it can quickly become time-consuming. | 17:07 |
| pboddie | It's a bit like the potential sponsor last year who wanted a "widget" on the site. Who has the time to figure that out when a banner image and a URL is all most people should care about? | 17:08 |
| pboddie | Perhaps get Google to pay us more if we use GA. :-) | 17:08 |
| MrTopf | Well, I mostly proposed to have some analytics for doing better marketing | 17:09 |
| MrTopf | and the good thing is that you can even configure some goals, e.g. how many people went to registration and how many are lost on the way and where | 17:10 |
| MrTopf | anyway, was just a suggestion as it seems an easy thing to do | 17:10 |
| pboddie | Indeed. You're ahead of the curve (or my curve), I think, but we could put this up for discussion at the next meeting. Sounds like a big move, even if it isn't in practice. | 17:11 |
| MrTopf | ok, maybe let's discuss it. as said, Google is not the only one to offer free analysis tools | 17:12 |
| pboddie | Right. :-) | 17:12 |
| pboddie | Did you look at the statistics for attendance for last year and the year before? | 17:13 |
| MrTopf | nope, I did not look at any stats before ;-) | 17:14 |
| pboddie | http://www.europython.org/community/Planning/Projections | 17:14 |
| MrTopf | but btw, there maybe should be some stats tool in place before you announce it so one can see what effect it has | 17:15 |
| pboddie | I'll add this to the agenda for the next meeting. | 17:16 |
| MrTopf | yay for Germany! ;-) | 17:16 |
| MrTopf | not too surprising to see the jump for early bird although I usually miss that date ;-) | 17:18 |
| * MrTopf also told the guys from Linden Lab to come and give some talks about Second Life | 17:19 | |
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| dboddie_work | pboddie: I should probably go and collect hardware before heading downtown. | 18:03 |
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| pboddie | dboddie_work: RGR. SMS meet-up details. | 18:30 |
| pboddie | OK. Must dash! | 19:25 |
| pboddie | MrTopf: Good to chat about the publicity. I'll look into some of the things we've talked about this evening, if I have time. | 19:25 |
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