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| timeless | hello world | 16:17 |
|---|---|---|
| * timeless is on from an ExoPC :o | 16:17 | |
| * timeless finally got it to do something useful | 16:17 | |
| timeless | does anyone here remember them? :) | 16:21 |
| iekku | :D | 16:21 |
| iekku | i raped mine with win8 | 16:21 |
| timeless | I finally got w7 on it | 16:21 |
| timeless | I've made space for w8, i'm considering trying to install it into the space | 16:21 |
| timeless | I want to give w8 a try | 16:21 |
| timeless | how much pain did you have getting all the drivers working? | 16:22 |
| timeless | since I installed a 64bit version, it was moderately painful, I think i'm still missing a few | 16:22 |
| timeless | (GPS, some-Camera bits?) | 16:22 |
| timeless | ... and I need to call MS to activate it... | 16:22 |
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| timeless | activated! | 16:34 |
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| gyaresu | Soooooo. What's the deal with a comparible device like the N950? Is everyone waiting paitently for the Tizen website to update or should I just be looking at buying a new N900 off Ebay. | 18:51 |
| gyaresu | And hi. | 18:51 |
| iekku | gyaresu, hmm? | 18:53 |
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| gyaresu | iekku, I'm looking at buying an N900 because I can't figure out a more 'open' phone. In that it's something that runs Linux natively. | 19:52 |
| gyaresu | I'm more of a sysadmin hacker but last time I got excited was the OpenMoko and look how that turned out. So now I'm looking at retiring my iCrack and get back to something I can mess with. | 19:54 |
| gyaresu | And the N950 looks gorgeous but I understand it's a discontinued developer load device and I thought I'd check here to see what you folks recommended. | 19:55 |
| gyaresu | s/load/loan/ | 19:55 |
| infobot | gyaresu meant: And the N950 looks gorgeous but I understand it's a discontinued developer loan device and I thought I'd check here to see what you folks recommended. | 19:55 |
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| timeless | iekku: hey, did you get the camera to work w/ w8? | 20:46 |
| timeless | that's one of my last pain points | 20:46 |
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| timeless | w7 recognized the usb camera, but i can't use it from Paint or Silverlight | 20:47 |
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| iekku | timeless, i didn't have opportunity to test. my husband took it | 21:06 |
| timeless | heh | 21:06 |
| timeless | husbands, they always steal all the toys | 21:06 |
| iekku | well, he didn't get it before he installed nemo to it and tried that :P | 21:09 |
| iekku | after that i installed him win8 | 21:09 |
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| gyaresu | still lurking if anyone would care to put their 2c worth into my hardware choices question :) | 21:10 |
| * gyaresu waves | 21:10 | |
| iekku | hmmm | 21:12 |
| timeless | gyaresu: i'm biased | 21:12 |
| iekku | N900 works, depending on the need | 21:12 |
| timeless | i decided against buying anything as my n900 died | 21:12 |
| iekku | but there's no support for it | 21:12 |
| timeless | instead i'm now using a BB z10 | 21:13 |
| timeless | which today got an upgrade from 10.0 to 10.1 | 21:13 |
| timeless | it isn't "open" for most people's definitions | 21:13 |
| gyaresu | bb? | 21:13 |
| timeless | but the hardware isn't bad, it should have support for longer than your average nokia product | 21:13 |
| gyaresu | Sorry, I should lazyweb it. | 21:13 |
| timeless | and it is less evil than iOS/Android | 21:13 |
| gyaresu | ah blackberry | 21:13 |
| timeless | while having more apps than other platforms | 21:14 |
| gyaresu | gotcha. | 21:14 |
| timeless | it has 100k+ apps | 21:14 |
| timeless | which isn't bad for something that's hrm... say 6-9 months old? | 21:14 |
| gyaresu | Yeah, I'm a 'flash it with linux' guy who uses a macbook air with Homebrew to 'get things done'. | 21:14 |
| timeless | you can build Qt apps for it, or Android apps for it, or use C/C++ or various other things | 21:14 |
| timeless | i'm a "it has to be able to work" guy | 21:14 |
| timeless | and "i want to be able to write my own apps w/o pain" | 21:15 |
| timeless | and "i don't really want a virus, k-thx" | 21:15 |
| gyaresu | The N950 looks like a really great bit of kit and the N900 is still cheap... I just can't see a follow up. | 21:15 |
| timeless | there aren't followups | 21:15 |
| timeless | the team was long ago disbanded | 21:15 |
| timeless | we all scurried to find new homes | 21:15 |
| timeless | Intel, Samsung, etc. | 21:15 |
| timeless | Red Hat, ... | 21:15 |
| iekku | jolla | 21:16 |
| gyaresu | I want to still be able to compile and run wifi/bluetooth scanning cracking stuff (really only for research and fun) and be able to script stuff in python. | 21:16 |
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| timeless | iekku: yeah well, err, they didn't scurry, they prayed and waited :) | 21:16 |
| timeless | my app for bb z10 is written using CherryPy :) | 21:16 |
| timeless | and there are people writing Qt(Cascades) apps using Python | 21:17 |
| iekku | i was recruited via fb :P asked from Stskeeps who the h*** is marc dillon :P | 21:17 |
| timeless | he's a great guy :) | 21:17 |
| iekku | :nod: | 21:17 |
| gyaresu | :) I've been playing with SimpleCV over the weekend and I know I can do some stuff in Android but running a straight kernel with all the build tools makes it so much better. | 21:17 |
| * timeless tries to boot the ExoPC from a w8 preview usb stick | 21:18 | |
| gyaresu | Ok, so an N900 would let me play and kick some stuff around until the next 'open phone' player comes around. | 21:19 |
| timeless | gyaresu: anyway, my concern about Jolla is that it's one of 3 or 4 small fry trying to do something | 21:19 |
| iekku | i think i should steal my exopc back | 21:19 |
| timeless | Mozilla and Ubuntu are the other two | 21:19 |
| timeless | after that, there's also Tizen (which is going somewhere close to nowhere slowly) | 21:19 |
| gyaresu | http://jolla.com/ ? Haven't heard of them. | 21:20 |
| timeless | and WebOS which went to LG (to be re-purposed for TVs) | 21:20 |
| gyaresu | Yeah, Tizen was baffling. Looked at that last Friday. Nothing other than emu to play in. | 21:20 |
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| timeless | there's a limit to the number of players who can be supported by the market | 21:21 |
| gyaresu | And yeah, Ubuntu might get it going 'native'. I'm a bit worried FF is going to be another Chromebook type monstrosity. | 21:21 |
| * timeless shrugs | 21:21 | |
| timeless | if you insist on being able to write to `metal`, then FF/Chromebook clearly won't do what you want | 21:21 |
| timeless | for that purpose, BB10 willl | 21:22 |
| timeless | s/willl/will | 21:22 |
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| timeless | (mostly, the kernel is really tiny and just gets right out of your way) | 21:22 |
| gyaresu | Ok. I'll bite. I'll have a look at it. Would never even have thought about bb. | 21:23 |
| timeless | it /might/ not do what you want | 21:23 |
| timeless | but, the Q10 will give you a hardware keyboard (if you feel that's necessary) | 21:24 |
| timeless | and the signing system isn't as painful as Windows (Phone) | 21:24 |
| gyaresu | Well I don't want the pretty. I want the build env. | 21:24 |
| timeless | [for that, you had to send a passport or similar to MS to get a signing key] | 21:24 |
| gyaresu | I wouldn't even look at MS. | 21:24 |
| timeless | https://developer.blackberry.com/develop/platform_choice/ndk.html | 21:24 |
| timeless | -> https://developer.blackberry.com/native/ | 21:25 |
| timeless | -> https://developer.blackberry.com/native/download/?os=linux#blackberry10 | 21:25 |
| timeless | ...assuming you want linux... | 21:25 |
| timeless | it's more or less a `gcc cross` compiler | 21:25 |
| timeless | which is more or less what you get w/ Jolla or Tizen | 21:26 |
| timeless | although the build system is slightly less whacko | 21:26 |
| timeless | (you're free to invent your own crazy build system if you like) | 21:26 |
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| timeless | direct hardware access is probably less likely to be ok, although i believe that some people have managed arrangements | 21:27 |
| timeless | personally, i'd probably just get a wifi hotspot for 50-60 USD (oh, wait, i did, but i used CAD), and hack that instead | 21:27 |
| timeless | iekku: wow | 21:29 |
| timeless | ... i just tried the w8 full size on screen keyboard | 21:29 |
| timeless | it's very nice | 21:29 |
| timeless | (typing into a cmd.exe recovery thing) | 21:29 |
| gyaresu | Cool thanks timeless Definitely something to think about. | 21:30 |
| timeless | best wishes | 21:31 |
| * timeless isn't sure when Jolla or Ubuntu plan to have real phones in end user haands | 21:31 | |
| thiago | Jolla says soon | 21:31 |
| timeless | thiago: how long have they been saying that? :) | 21:32 |
| thiago | not long, though | 21:33 |
| iekku | :) | 21:34 |
| iekku | timeless, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9B2ebLgXcQ | 21:35 |
| * timeless clicks | 21:35 | |
| timeless | oh, 6 days | 21:36 |
| timeless | alright | 21:36 |
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| gyaresu | Ok. Now Jolla looks promising. | 22:10 |
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