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| LjL | i want to install Meego on my EeePC, but i'd rather not have to format my USB key to do so. since Meego seems to be only distributed in .img format, not .iso, Unetbootin apparently can't work. any other options? | 00:12 |
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| CosmoHill | it's a dual purpose image | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | you can rename the .img to .iso and burn that to CD | 00:12 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 02:06 |
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| faktorqm | hello | 16:06 |
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| Sazpaimon | could someone with forum authority look at this jmacguire guy? | 16:28 |
| Sazpaimon | I think he may be a sleeper cell for a spammer | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | url? | 16:28 |
| Sazpaimon | http://forum.meego.com/member.php?u=42848 | 16:28 |
| Sazpaimon | or he just may be generally uninformative | 16:29 |
| andre__ | http://forum.meego.com/search.php?searchid=404088 | 16:29 |
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| CosmoHill | huzzar, computer parts are here :) | 16:53 |
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| berndhs | ah the satisfaction of assembling a computer yourself | 16:55 |
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| CosmoHill | I also got a bike from my cousin to use for parts :) | 17:03 |
| berndhs | making a mobile computer with wheels ? | 17:04 |
| CosmoHill | i don't think my brother would like that | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | holy crap is it 3pm already | 17:05 |
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| CosmoHill | ooo | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | Dodge Viper on Mega Factories :) | 17:06 |
| CosmoHill | oh this is crap | 17:07 |
| CosmoHill | someone building an engine in slow motion | 17:07 |
| faktorqm | hello, only one question, exists an meego implementation for samsung galaxy 2? | 17:08 |
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| CosmoHill | ber..oh he's gone | 17:12 |
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| berndhs | i need a new router | 17:16 |
| CosmoHill | what you got? | 17:16 |
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| berndhs | archaeologically valuable Linksys wrt54g | 17:17 |
| CosmoHill | we have the gl version with dd-wrt | 17:18 |
| berndhs | my link to the world is through microwave stuff, so it's a little iffy in bad weather, and this router seems to have trouble with that | 17:19 |
| berndhs | doesn't recover properly when the outside connection has problems, or so it seems | 17:19 |
| CosmoHill | our connection improves as weather worses | 17:22 |
| berndhs | heat problems maybe | 17:23 |
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| CosmoHill | i like to think of it as the rain filling in the holes in the copper cable | 17:23 |
| berndhs | that could be too | 17:23 |
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| berndhs | would be nice to have mobile computers you dont have to carry. self-propelled things. | 17:31 |
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| CosmoHill | small over sight on my part | 18:35 |
| CosmoHill | new motherboard doesn't have IDE so I can't use the old DVD drives which we were planning to | 18:35 |
| CosmoHill | used my old UPS to hold the tripod down | 18:37 |
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| berndhs | do you need them ? | 18:41 |
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| CosmoHill | the only SATA dvd drive I had was in my computer | 18:42 |
| CosmoHill | so I've put it in my bros cos I don't like it | 18:42 |
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| CosmoHill | I took the PSU out of my bro's old PC to put in his new one. did I check if there were any discs in there first? nope | 19:45 |
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| berndhs | you don't like him much, do you ? | 19:54 |
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| CosmoHill | the new computer is my bro's birthday present | 19:56 |
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| berndhs | that doesn't answer the question of whether you like him any :) | 19:58 |
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| CosmoHill | I do like him | 20:01 |
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| berndhs | family is good when they get along reasonably | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | my family live within a 3 mile radius | 20:04 |
| viking_ | Hi world! | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | hello viking_ | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | would you like some tea? | 20:04 |
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| viking_ | Oh, no thanx, I'm good. I'm new to MeeGo and I've run up against a wall. I'm hoping someone here might be able to hepl me. | 20:05 |
| viking_ | *help | 20:06 |
| viking_ | The thing is I can't get the connection status from ConnectionManager trough D-Bus. I had to manually modify several files just to get D-Bus' errors out of the way. | 20:09 |
| viking_ | Still, I get no signal when I pull out the ethernet cable and reconnect it. | 20:09 |
| viking_ | With D_Feet I indeed see org.moblin.connman but in the dbus-monitor output I see no signals with ANY part of that string. | 20:11 |
| viking_ | :S | 20:11 |
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| viking_ | According to the docs I just have to open a connection to the system bus and hook up to the StateChanged signal, which is exactly what I did. | 20:12 |
| viking_ | I got several permission-related errors and was forced to fiddle with the .service (which I actually had to create) and conf files. | 20:14 |
| viking_ | Now I get a time out when querying for the connection state with the GetState message. | 20:15 |
| viking_ | So...can anyone help me? | 20:15 |
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| viking_ | Anyone? | 20:18 |
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| dm8tbr | viking_: which image? | 20:19 |
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| viking_ | Image? You mean the version of MeeGo? | 20:20 |
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| viking_ | dm8tbr, is that what you mean? | 20:25 |
| dm8tbr | viking_: well, version, UX, etc. | 20:26 |
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| viking_ | From what I was able to uncover, it appears to be MeeGo 1.1. I got it installed on an HP netbook. | 20:27 |
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| viking_ | What other info do you need? | 20:29 |
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| viking_ | ... | 20:33 |
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| viking_ | dm8tbr, was that what you asked for? Do you have any idea what the problem might be? | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | viking_: I just wonder, why? | 20:42 |
| dm8tbr | the last netbook version was 1.2 | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | and from what I know it actually worked for people. mainly because it was essentially the moblin ux stuff... | 20:43 |
| CosmoHill | who was it I showed my LFS QDB to? | 20:44 |
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| viking_ | Well, it's what I was given. I have an assignment here at work to make a proof of concept of some way to find out when the connection goes down and comes back up without any polling. | 20:45 |
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| viking_ | I was told that MeeGo used D-Bus + ConnectionManager and did some research on the web. | 20:46 |
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| viking_ | I wrote a little program to demonstrate connection monitoring this way, but I still can't get it to work. | 20:47 |
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| viking_ | What stumped me was the fact that I didn't see the ConnectionManager signals on the dbus-monitor output. | 20:49 |
| viking_ | On the wiki, it says that's the way to go for monitoring. | 20:50 |
| viking_ | If not ConnectionManager, could something else (aside from raw pings to google.com) be used to monitor the connection? | 20:52 |
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| dm8tbr | hmmm | 20:55 |
| dm8tbr | I don't really understand what you are exactly trying to monitor? | 20:55 |
| dm8tbr | wifi availability? | 20:55 |
| dm8tbr | ethernet availability? | 20:55 |
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| dm8tbr | ip connectivity? | 20:55 |
| dm8tbr | ip connectivity to 'the internet'? | 20:55 |
| viking_ | Any ideas? | 20:56 |
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| dm8tbr | sure, if you tell me 'what you are exactly trying to monitor?' | 20:57 |
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| mwichmann | you could look at what the ConnMan source is doing... | 20:57 |
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| viking_ | Oh, sorry, this thing didn't scroll down. Actually, any interface that serfes as an outlet to the world as far as the OS is concerned. | 20:57 |
| viking_ | I was under the impression that the StateChanged signal indicated that. | 20:58 |
| viking_ | Regardless of the interface. | 20:58 |
| dm8tbr | again, what are you looking for 'interface is up' or 'ther is IP connectivity to one or more hosts somewhere in the world' | 20:59 |
| viking_ | *serves | 20:59 |
| viking_ | The latter. | 20:59 |
| dm8tbr | I'd personally look into something designed to do such things | 21:00 |
| dm8tbr | like smokeping | 21:00 |
| viking_ | Hmm, so the ConnectionManager only tells if an interface is up or down? Funny, the docs all say it says when there's "internet" conectivity. I'll look up this smokepipe thing, thanx! | 21:02 |
| viking_ | *smokeping | 21:02 |
| dm8tbr | well, maybe it can ping some predetermined address and see if it gets an answer. no idea. | 21:03 |
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| viking_ | That I suggested as an extra messure, after I caught the signal (so as to be sure about the connection). The Idea is to avoid pinging, or any kind of polling. | 21:05 |
| viking_ | Smokeping is a network latency tool, don't know bout that. | 21:06 |
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| w00t | dm8tbr: if this is connman, i'm pretty sure it does actually try to detect internet connectivity | 21:06 |
| w00t | (by connecting/exchanging traffic with some known host or other) | 21:06 |
| dm8tbr | k | 21:06 |
| dm8tbr | viking_: it's impossible to not have traffic and still know the state of connectivity | 21:07 |
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| Stskeeps | evening waz | 21:08 |
| Stskeeps | d | 21:08 |
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| viking_ | Yeah, that's what I thought. Which leads me back to square 1. So, why doesn't it seem to work according to the docs, where should I poke around to figgure out what's wrong. | 21:09 |
| w00t | viking_: i'm not completely sure i'm right, or that it's exposed in that form.. you may need to sourcedive | 21:09 |
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| viking_ | Well, if the interface is down (on end-user devices theres only 1) I know theres no connectivity. So the only reall issue would be wit it coming up. | 21:10 |
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| viking_ | That's why I suggested using a single ping on signal catch. | 21:11 |
| viking_ | Sourcedrive? | 21:11 |
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| mwichmann | why do you say there's only one? | 21:12 |
| mwichmann | wifi, 3g/4g, wimax possible, state may change through plugging of usb dongle, etc. | 21:13 |
| viking_ | My bad, there's two generally: wifi and ethernet. | 21:14 |
| viking_ | USB doesn't count for the moment, I'm only considering built-in interfaces. | 21:14 |
| mwichmann | hmmm... what if I don't have onboard ethernet, but plug in a usb dongle to get ethernet? | 21:16 |
| viking_ | That'll be a later consideration. | 21:16 |
| viking_ | However, if I keep a count of useful interfaces (useful being up and checked tor internet conectivity), I won't even have to. | 21:17 |
| viking_ | *for | 21:17 |
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| viking_ | It'll already be contemplated in the algorithm. | 21:18 |
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| viking_ | But the problem is getting past this roadblock on Meego. | 21:18 |
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| viking_ | Oh, mwichmann, the basic (minimum) consideration is on-board interfaces. Devices without are not considered. | 21:20 |
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| mwichmann | hey, it's your puzzle not mine, I'm not arguing, just pointing out concerns | 21:21 |
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| viking_ | I was just clearing up any confusion :) | 21:22 |
| viking_ | Anyway, after opening the connection and getting the proxy (and subsequently sending the GetState message to get the initial state) I get a message saying "Activation of org.moblin.connman.Manager timed out" | 21:26 |
| viking_ | I'm guessing I'm gonna have to poke around the .service or .conf files. What can cause it to time out? | 21:28 |
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| LjL | is there something Unetbootin-like allowing me to install Meego without formatting my USB drive, that actually works with Meego for Netbooks? | 21:56 |
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| auke | LjL: you can write the iso/img to a cdrom, and boot that. | 22:08 |
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| auke | LjL: but, given the price of USB drives, why not just buy another one? | 22:08 |
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| LjL | auke: can't use a cdrom, i don't have an external cd drive for my netbook. i just wanted to give Meego a quick try. | 22:16 |
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| auke | LjL: you have to put the image somewhere... | 22:23 |
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| LjL | auke: right, i want to put it on my USB drive. i just don't want to have to *format* it. | 22:23 |
| LjL | if i rename the IMG to ISO, Unetbootin makes it | 22:23 |
| LjL | however, the system doesn't boot | 22:23 |
| LjL | the kernel starts but then cannot find the root filesystem | 22:23 |
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| berndhs | monday | 22:30 |
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| viking_ | Can the lack of the SDK have anything to do with conmand's dbus interface not working propperly, does it include any runtimes I might need? | 22:40 |
| viking_ | *connmand | 22:40 |
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| Crnkoj | hey guys, i got a quick question, does anyone know if the n9 64gb version that one can buy frmo germany are made in finland or in china or as to where or how to check that ifim ordering it online ? thanks | 23:27 |
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