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| CosmoHill | anyone about? | 02:22 |
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| daniel_o | about what? :) | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | what do you think of the layout of this: http://black-flag.co.uk/lfs-qdb/design.html | 02:22 |
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| daniel_o | i like the picture :D | 02:23 |
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| daniel_o | but the quotes should start underneath the picture right? | 02:24 |
| daniel_o | and there should be some space between the light gray box and the beginning of the quotes text | 02:25 |
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| CosmoHill | erm | 02:27 |
| CosmoHill | could you possibly send me a screen shot | 02:27 |
| daniel_o | :D | 02:28 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/lfs-qdb/firefox36.png | 02:28 |
| daniel_o | i'm using ff8 on win xp :) gimme a sec for the screen | 02:29 |
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| daniel_o | and bigger resolution | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | just thought of a possible cool feature | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | communities | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | the database is kinda set up so that you can find all the quotes produces by one person | 02:31 |
| daniel_o | i like quotes :D | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | but we could also have communities, eg all the quotes from lfs or from meego | 02:31 |
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| daniel_o | CosmoHill: http://www.pic-nerd.com/v2/images/1iucx01mok6lyzm8imnj.png | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | oh I see | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 02:39 |
| daniel_o | np | 02:39 |
| daniel_o | same on win 7 | 02:40 |
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| CosmoHill | should be an easy fix, wrap the quotes on a div and position that below the image | 02:40 |
| daniel_o | firefox 8 and 9 | 02:40 |
| CosmoHill | acutlal...wait when did 9 come out? | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | I have ff8 on my desktop, I'll look into it tomorrow | 02:42 |
| daniel_o | no it | 02:42 |
| CosmoHill | for now I'm going to bed | 02:42 |
| daniel_o | it's beta | 02:42 |
| daniel_o | but since the new update system i never know which one | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | great | 02:43 |
| daniel_o | i just know i'm on the beta channel :D | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | I'm about to go to bed and a storm just rolled in | 02:43 |
| daniel_o | good night :) | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:43 |
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| phl0x81 | hm hm. is CarrierIQ also installed on the N9? | 03:14 |
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| wmarone | phl0x81: doubtful, I imagine that it's pushed on devices by US carriers and no US carrier is selling it | 03:34 |
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| phl0x81 | dunno, is it a US only thing? | 03:34 |
| phl0x81 | I'm not sure. at least similar software could also exist else where. | 03:35 |
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| jylan | I'm in the middle of reflashing my N9 (PR 1.1) after Air UI caused errors on reboot. Command I used was 'flasher-3.5 --flash-only=rootfs -F DFL61_HARMATTAN_20.2011.40-4_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin -f -R' - but it's only transferring data at 25 kB/s | 05:10 |
| jylan | N9 is plugged into a USB 2.0 port | 05:10 |
| jylan | Is that a normal speed? | 05:11 |
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| jylan | anyone? surely someone with a N950 has had some flashing experience | 05:16 |
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| aapo | Hi, what is currently the best MeeGo version for ExoPC? | 16:05 |
| aapo | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices/ExoPC points to the 1.2.0.90, but naming of snapshots have been changed | 16:06 |
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| KRF | aapo: wetab :) | 16:35 |
| * CosmoHill wonders if anyone in here knows how to figure out the crossing number from a graph | 16:37 | |
| berndhs | sounds NP-complete | 16:40 |
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| CosmoHill | if you said that 20 mins ago I wouldn't have gotten the reference | 16:41 |
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| berndhs | apparently it's worse, known to be NP-hard | 16:44 |
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| CosmoHill | i need some kinda of isplanar function | 16:46 |
| CosmoHill | tbh I don't need any of this, it's for a friend | 16:47 |
| berndhs | its a generalization of planar | 16:47 |
| berndhs | my exhaustive knowledge of the subject says it's mentioned in Garey & Johnson on page 286 :) | 16:48 |
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| CosmoHill | aparantly boost has a function for this | 16:49 |
| berndhs | wikipedia says it is tractable for any fixed K, if you want to determine "is the crossing number of G less than K" | 16:51 |
| berndhs | and you can buy it right here http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022000003001387 | 16:52 |
| CosmoHill | we could have done with you a while ago | 16:54 |
| CosmoHill | iirc it's due in next week | 16:54 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm off for my firends for a bit | 16:56 |
| CosmoHill | cyas | 16:56 |
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| CosmoHill | hey berndhs | 17:13 |
| berndhs | hey | 17:14 |
| CosmoHill | I'm at my friends with the graphs | 17:14 |
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| berndhs | it made me heark back (sp?) to my younger days in grad school, sitting in the sun and doing graph theory | 17:15 |
| CosmoHill | you had sun? | 17:15 |
| berndhs | yes plenty | 17:15 |
| berndhs | you know how much rain you have in england? san diego has more sun than that | 17:16 |
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| CosmoHill | we're working on the algorithm that counts the number of crossings | 17:16 |
| berndhs | right | 17:17 |
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| CosmoHill | care to help? :) | 17:18 |
| berndhs | i don't actually now how to do this, I just looked up what has been solved | 17:18 |
| berndhs | for the general question, for varying K, it is very hard computationally | 17:19 |
| berndhs | very hard as in, probably can't be done in polynomial time | 17:19 |
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| berndhs | but apparently for any fixed K it is polynomial | 17:20 |
| CosmoHill | K being a vertix? | 17:20 |
| berndhs | K is the crossing number | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planarity_testing | 17:21 |
| CosmoHill | looks useful | 17:21 |
| berndhs | yes | 17:21 |
| berndhs | crossing number is a generalization of planarity | 17:22 |
| berndhs | higher crossing number, worse non-planarity | 17:22 |
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| berndhs | it is related to graph genus http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GraphGenus.html but not the same | 17:23 |
| berndhs | how good does this have to be? heuristic approximation, fixed set of graphs, fixed K, anything like that ? | 17:24 |
| berndhs | this here suggests that even for some fixed graphs teh result isn't known http://dimacs.rutgers.edu/~hochberg/undopen/graphtheory/graphtheory.html#prob4 | 17:25 |
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| CosmoHill | i'll tell you what we have | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | we have vertices that are connected via edges, the vertices randomly positioned | 17:31 |
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| CosmoHill | we have to figure out how many edges cross | 17:31 |
| berndhs | ah | 17:31 |
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| CosmoHill | if there are no crossings then we finish, otherwise we re-randomise and go again | 17:31 |
| berndhs | the positions are given, or you get to pick them ? | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | x and y positions are rand()%GRIDSIZE | 17:32 |
| berndhs | oh i see you test with some positions | 17:32 |
| berndhs | this is a candidate for the solution, or is this the problem ? | 17:33 |
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| CosmoHill | it's the problem | 17:34 |
| berndhs | ok, so its not the NP-hard graph theory problem, that is good news :) | 17:34 |
| CosmoHill | I came up with an algorithm that would go from one vertices to another, changing bits on the grid from 0 to 1 to say they've been used | 17:36 |
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| berndhs | you have a fixed set of paths as well ? like manhattan connections only, or manhattan + 45 degree diagonal | 17:37 |
| berndhs | something like that | 17:37 |
| berndhs | you could do a parallel path finding approach, lengthen paths towards where you want to go for all vertices | 17:38 |
| berndhs | having said that, this is probably not a good idea | 17:40 |
| berndhs | because finding a layout (set of non-crossing paths) is harder than finding if one exists | 17:41 |
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| CosmoHill | in my mind / on paper, you put down the vertices, then link them together according to the adjacency table and then count the number of crossings | 17:48 |
| CosmoHill | I then tried to do that using a 2d matrix of bits | 17:48 |
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| berndhs | yes but to count the number of crossings, you need to find a planar layout | 17:49 |
| berndhs | and finding a particular layout is harder than checking if one exists | 17:49 |
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| berndhs | s/particular/optimal/ | 17:50 |
| infobot | berndhs meant: and finding a optimal layout is harder than checking if one exists | 17:50 |
| berndhs | this seems related http://www.archive.org/details/interativeversio00caij | 17:51 |
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| CosmoHill | looking | 17:54 |
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| CosmoHill | hey sofar | 18:00 |
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| CosmoHill | this kind of program is saltation vs cumulative | 18:01 |
| CosmoHill | so you're repeatedly testing randomly made layouts until one is planar | 18:01 |
| berndhs | right | 18:01 |
| berndhs | and if it's not planar you'll be testing for a really long time | 18:02 |
| berndhs | that's ok if you are very confident that it is planar, and you want to find some layout that isn't necessarily very good | 18:04 |
| CosmoHill | the next one is about darwin, you take the one with the least crossings and create children that mutate and repeat until they've mutated into something without a crossing | 18:04 |
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| berndhs | i like the genetic one better | 18:05 |
| berndhs | it can give you a measure of whether things are improving or not | 18:05 |
| CosmoHill | did I tell you guys about last years one with ME THINKS IT IS LIKE A WEASEL? | 18:05 |
| berndhs | maybe you did last year and we all forgot | 18:06 |
| berndhs | for the genetic algorithm, throw in a part that looks for evidence of non-planarity, like a K5 or K(3,3) subgraph | 18:07 |
| berndhs | and when you find one output "este imposibil" | 18:08 |
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| berndhs | or you can use boost http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_40_0/libs/graph/doc/boyer_myrvold.html | 18:22 |
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| CosmoHill | away from that evil evil graph thingy | 19:28 |
| berndhs | graph theory is more fun when sitting in the sun, with occasional F14s flying above and lightly dressed undergraduates of the opposite sex walking around | 19:29 |
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| KRF | berndhs: lol | 22:05 |
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| aapo | hi, How I install "Tablet User Experience"? | 22:51 |
| aapo | I loaned meego device and reflashed it, but I promised return it with "Tablet User Experience" | 22:52 |
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| dm8tbr | aapo: define 'device' | 23:06 |
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| aapo | dm8tbr: exoPc. I just found this: https://www.meego.com/downloads/releases/1.2/meego-tablet-developer-preview so it needs to be flashed | 23:07 |
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| dm8tbr | I'd try something later | 23:08 |
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| dm8tbr | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.12.20110809.2/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ | 23:11 |
| dm8tbr | that looks like the last ever tablet image | 23:11 |
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