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| Su-Shee | hi. | 10:31 |
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| CosmoHill | Morning | 11:23 |
| thiago | morning cosmo | 11:23 |
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| CosmoHill | how are you? | 11:27 |
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| thiago | I'm doing fine | 11:29 |
| thiago | you? | 11:29 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm okay i think, woke up with some weird dreams in my head and making team | 11:30 |
| CosmoHill | in fact I think one of the weird dreams I've had a very similar before | 11:30 |
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| CosmoHill | :3 | 11:31 |
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| CosmoHill | shit I'm meant to be teaching someone atm | 12:28 |
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| F__i__L | the future of meego ? | 12:29 |
| F__i__L | it is by far the best mobile OS and i cannot understand why no one supports it | 12:30 |
| F__i__L | :'( | 12:30 |
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| thiago | F__i__L: politics | 12:38 |
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| gabriel9 | so | 12:47 |
| gabriel9 | is it worthy to buy n9 ? | 12:47 |
| gabriel9 | i know it is not full meego phone | 12:47 |
| gabriel9 | but if i can boot meego on it it is great | 12:48 |
| Appiah | as in , you want the replace the meego on the phone with the real meego? :) | 12:48 |
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| thiago | gabriel9: I bought an N9, so my answer is yes | 12:49 |
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| xranby | F__i__L: hey cheer up, this are the second phone where you can get support from outside its maker. ( the first phone was the neo) | 12:57 |
| xranby | F__i__L: im super happy with my N9 purchase | 12:58 |
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| F__i__L | r u talkink to gabriel9 or to me? | 12:59 |
| xranby | you | 12:59 |
| F__i__L | i know that N9 is super :D | 12:59 |
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| F__i__L | but i hesitate to buy it since i won't have an official support | 13:00 |
| xranby | if have | 13:00 |
| xranby | it | 13:00 |
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| Stskeeps | F__i__L: N9 comes with nokia support | 13:00 |
| xranby | it will have official support at least to 2015 | 13:00 |
| xranby | from nokia | 13:01 |
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| F__i__L | i had heard that nokia quited the project since the agreement with m$ | 13:01 |
| xranby | F__i__L: you listen to the wrong rumors | 13:01 |
| iekku | F__i__L, it has to give support | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | F__i__L: doesn't mean they don't support their own devices, they're legally obligated to | 13:01 |
| iekku | as Stskeeps said | 13:02 |
| F__i__L | support in bugs i understand that N9 will have from nokia..when i said official support i meant to support the OS, to advance it and release something new based on meego(meego 1.3?) and then push it to N9 | 13:03 |
| F__i__L | (sorry for my bad english :P) | 13:03 |
| gabriel9 | nice | 13:03 |
| gabriel9 | i will buy it | 13:03 |
| gabriel9 | can't wait | 13:03 |
| gabriel9 | thanks | 13:03 |
| gabriel9 | and then coding in Qt :) | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | F__i__L: the N9 isn't real meego anyway, think of it as linux/qt | 13:04 |
| F__i__L | what i love in meego is that you can develop apps much easier than other OSs | 13:04 |
| F__i__L | yeah i like to think it like that :P | 13:04 |
| F__i__L | but since even limo stop supporting it the community will also die | 13:04 |
| F__i__L | limo=linux foundation | 13:05 |
| gabriel9 | aha | 13:05 |
| dm8tbr | WE ARE ALL GONNA DIE! (... someday) | 13:05 |
| gabriel9 | well qt | 13:05 |
| gabriel9 | is live | 13:05 |
| gabriel9 | and kde | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | F__i__L: yeah.. well, nokia is the primary provider, not linux foundation | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | LF doesn't do products | 13:05 |
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| gabriel9 | it is not yet possible to have dual boot on N9? | 13:09 |
| dm8tbr | there is a manual way, but without OCF it's not recommended | 13:10 |
| gabriel9 | OCF? | 13:10 |
| KaIRC | F__i__L: they will ship OS updates as well, just like they did for the N900 - just don't expect large changes, they also didn't do those in N900 updates | 13:10 |
| dm8tbr | one-click-flasher, used to restore the device | 13:11 |
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| KaIRC | F__i__L: and I'm pretty sure there will be some community support in addition to the official support - not to talk about even alternative community OSes like nemo | 13:12 |
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| * KaIRC is only waiting for prices to settle a bit more before buying one | 13:13 | |
| xranby | gabriel9: to my knowlege nokia provides bionarys under a restricted license and sourcecode under GPL for the bootloader moslo here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/moslo.php | 13:13 |
| xranby | gabriel9: if you compile the source yourself then you should be able to redistribute any binarys freely under the GPL license | 13:14 |
| * dm8tbr notes that discussion about N9/N950 running original harmattan is best in #harmattan | 13:14 | |
| jonwil | What do you get from the nokia binaries that you dont get with the source? | 13:15 |
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| xranby | jonwil: ask nokia | 13:16 |
| jonwil | Are there digital signatures involved? | 13:16 |
| xranby | jonwil: the binarys are probably based on the GPL sourcecode | 13:16 |
| xranby | but since nokia owns the code they can change license at free will | 13:16 |
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| jonwil | Since when does Nokia own the source code to the Linux kernel? | 13:20 |
| xranby | jonwil: they dont | 13:20 |
| xranby | the linux kernel are released under the GPL | 13:20 |
| xranby | and nokia are supplying the sources | 13:20 |
| xranby | the bootloader != the linux kernel | 13:20 |
| jonwil | Except that the moslo source code contains kernel code | 13:20 |
| jonwil | moslo seems to use kexec | 13:21 |
| jonwil | moslo source dump is kernel, kexec-tools and moslo | 13:22 |
| xranby | jonwil: i dont follow you.. if you down,load the moslo-src you find kernel sources licensed under GPLv2 inside | 13:22 |
| xranby | thay have not switched license on that | 13:22 |
| jonwil | which is true | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | hint: gplv2 | 13:22 |
| jonwil | oh yeah I was mis-thinking things | 13:23 |
| jonwil | oh well, back to reverse engineering rtcom-messaging-ui | 13:23 |
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| Stskeeps | moo | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com acting up? | 20:16 |
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| ulf^ | Stskeeps, works for me | 20:22 |
| ulf^ | Stskeeps, it's slow, but it loads | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:22 |
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| Milo- | well this is cool, meego sdk fails to install and I need to compile sms importer application by myself | 21:57 |
| Milo- | sdk installer only prints the script that fails without stating any reasons for failing | 21:58 |
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| Milo- | so apparently there is *no way* of transferring text messages from n900 to n9 :o | 21:58 |
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| thiago | I wish it did | 22:01 |
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