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| Strannik | Hi all | 01:55 |
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| Strannik | Hey guys | 01:55 |
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| strannik1 | Is everyone asleep or is this not THE meego channel to be in? | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | It is. | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | And yes, most people are. | 01:58 |
| SpeedEvil | There tends to be a strong european contingent. | 01:59 |
| strannik1 | That is good .. Its only 1am in continental europe. And it is a friday haha | 01:59 |
| strannik1 | I am new to the meego community. But wow i am so excited to see a place where there are so many people interested in meego | 02:00 |
| strannik1 | I thought i was the only one haha | 02:00 |
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| strannik1 | Well I guess good night all! | 02:04 |
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| herdingcat | hey all, I use meego 1.0 and i have to openvpn here, anyone know how to make it run in MeeGo? | 07:54 |
| herdingcat | anyone knows that? | 07:56 |
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| CosmoHill | hey lbt and thiago | 12:44 |
| lbt | o/ CosmoHill and thiago | 12:45 |
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| Strannik | Hey everyone | 14:07 |
| Strannik | Hey | 14:07 |
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| Stskeeps | hi | 14:08 |
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| CosmoHill | yo | 14:08 |
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| strannik1 | Stskeeps: hey | 14:13 |
| strannik1 | Hi cosmohill | 14:13 |
| strannik1 | Why does everyone keep auto signing in and out? | 14:13 |
| strannik1 | Does no meego talk ever happen here :( | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | because they do, network connections, etc | 14:14 |
| strannik1 | ? | 14:14 |
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| strannik1 | Fair enough | 14:14 |
| strannik1 | But what about the meego talk. So many people but no one is chatting | 14:14 |
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| Stskeeps | well, it's saturday and you came in like 9 minutesa go | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | it's sunny outside | 14:16 |
| * SpeedEvil invites Stskeeps to come here and say that. | 14:16 | |
| brik | or here | 14:17 |
| strannik1 | Have you guys all got a n950? So many people on the forum seem to have one | 14:18 |
| strannik1 | I applied for one ,, well never got it | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | Around 250 people got one. | 14:18 |
| strannik1 | But i applied one day before the dead line | 14:18 |
| SpeedEvil | In the community, and probably a larger nuymber outside it. | 14:19 |
| strannik1 | Oh i expected some more | 14:19 |
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| strannik1 | You got one? ;) | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | Yes. | 14:19 |
| strannik1 | Cool , what is it like? Hardware wise | 14:19 |
| SpeedEvil | The major issue I have with it is that teh keyboard isn't as good as the n900. | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | I find the keys a lot harer to locate - as they're flat. | 14:20 |
| SpeedEvil | And the capacitive screen can be annoying. | 14:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | 300 actually | 14:20 |
| strannik1 | True if it has keys there is no point for the capacative screen | 14:20 |
| strannik1 | I saw some pics | 14:21 |
| strannik1 | Where the n950 was made out of aluminium | 14:21 |
| strannik1 | Looked like a mini macbookpro | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and yes, same concerns/critics SpeedEvil has | 14:21 |
| strannik1 | Oh you got one aswell? | 14:21 |
| strannik1 | Apparently the n9 was supposed to be the n950 but made out of metal | 14:22 |
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| strannik1 | Have you guys seen the original design? | 14:24 |
| strannik1 | I can try and get a link | 14:25 |
| SpeedEvil | Not interesting. | 14:25 |
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| SpeedEvil | What might have been is kinda pointless. | 14:25 |
| dm8tbr | original is what nokia released as a product. | 14:25 |
| dm8tbr | and what-if-discussions won't advance anything | 14:25 |
| strannik1 | True.. I am glad a meego device is finally on the market | 14:26 |
| SpeedEvil | It's really not very meego. | 14:26 |
| strannik1 | I am in the uk . But my dad is in china at the moment. He will try and get one for me | 14:27 |
| strannik1 | SpeedEvil: oh? | 14:27 |
| strannik1 | How come!? | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo6 with meego skin | 14:27 |
| SpeedEvil | Large slices of the device are closed. | 14:27 |
| dm8tbr | there is a lot of the meego framework | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | and those which are not are still immutable thanks to aegis | 14:28 |
| dm8tbr | but lower layers are clearly still maemo | 14:28 |
| strannik1 | I know the ui is closed.. But i can sort of understand nokia not wanting people to rip the ui off? | 14:28 |
| strannik1 | SpeedEvil: which slices of the device? | 14:29 |
| SpeedEvil | The UI, mostly. | 14:30 |
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| strannik1 | Speedevil: If we use the official meego ui. That one is open? | 14:31 |
| strannik1 | But the problem with the meego ui is that it looks kinda ugly | 14:32 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm unsure how functional it is. | 14:32 |
| dm8tbr | of course it's ugly, it's just a reference UI | 14:32 |
| dm8tbr | the intention was from the beginning, that every company that productizes, customizes or replaces the UI layer | 14:33 |
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| strannik1 | Well in that case it makes sense .. All those youtube videos of people running the "original meego ui" are painfull to watch | 14:34 |
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| strannik1 | So what about aegis | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~aegis | 14:36 |
| infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif | 14:36 |
| strannik1 | What exactly does it lock | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Aegis is not an issue if you replace the software stack. | 14:36 |
| strannik1 | Yea but you lose touch ui | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | But - at the moment - it looks like you basically can't have the existing UI, or many of the apps if you do so. | 14:36 |
| strannik1 | Or swipe ui | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup, if you replace the *whole* sw-stack | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | Swipe is pointless | 14:36 |
| SpeedEvil | It's pretty trivial, and could be easily replaced if that was all it was. | 14:37 |
| strannik1 | Wait so the swipe ui wont run, unless it receives an ok signal from aegis? | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | The problem is that you can't easily replace maps, drive, or the accounts programs. | 14:37 |
| strannik1 | And they wont run either? | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | Swipe runs, but the apps don't work properly - the underlying 'filesystem' is read-only. | 14:37 |
| SpeedEvil | So it can't save incoming mesasges | 14:37 |
| dm8tbr | there are various parts that rely on the filesystem encryption that aegis provides for example | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | no more updates I guess | 14:38 |
| strannik1 | So disabling aegis will also cause problems? | 14:39 |
| strannik1 | Javispro talked about disabling it. He also talked about replacing the kernel and sending custom signals or something | 14:40 |
| strannik1 | Javispedro* | 14:41 |
| clbr | will aegis stop implementation of fusefs-like stuff? sshfs, or things like truecrypt volumes? | 14:43 |
| strannik1 | I dont see why everyone is so upset about aegis. If there are ways to disable it(and leave the rest of the system intact) shouldnt it be good? | 14:43 |
| * dm8tbr thinks this is more material for #harmattan then for #meego | 14:43 | |
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| jabis | this is the same discussion we're having on a daily bases x) | 14:44 |
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| clbr | jabis: yes. just let's make great userland packages which run on nemo and harmattan | 14:45 |
| strannik1 | Dm8tbr: this is a bit philosophical. if the only meego compatible device is a harmattan. What difference does it make what we call it | 14:47 |
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| jabis | I just might install meego on my spare laptop today - wife managed to "update" it into kernel panic | 14:47 |
| strannik1 | If the only house on earth is a hut. Does it become your house? | 14:47 |
| dm8tbr | strannik1: it's still off-topic here | 14:47 |
| strannik1 | Fair enough | 14:47 |
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| jabis | yeh - #harmattan has is more suitable :) | 14:48 |
| jabis | s/has is/is/ | 14:48 |
| clbr | then this channel is only about meego-netbook and historical meego discussions, as everything handset-related now happens elsewhere, #mer, #nemo (?), #harmattan | 14:49 |
| strannik1 | And i guess about the wetab | 14:49 |
| strannik1 | If that is real meego? | 14:50 |
| strannik1 | As far as i know the n9/n950 and the wetab are the only meego devices | 14:50 |
| dm8tbr | there are a few meego netbooks | 14:51 |
| clbr | on sale actually | 14:51 |
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| dm8tbr | clbr: this channel is essentially about MeeGo in its pure form, productizations are mostly out of the scope here | 14:51 |
| strannik1 | Who cares about meego netbooks .. Its all about the "post pc" devices | 14:52 |
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| strannik1 | :) | 14:52 |
| strannik1 | Either way. I am quite excited to have found the meego community forums and irc channel | 14:53 |
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| clbr | dm8tbr: yes, but then meego in its pure form was always two things (at least as I understood), a platform stack and an app/userland environment. this rests difficult to divide | 14:53 |
| strannik1 | I never realised there are so many people on here | 14:53 |
| strannik1 | You see its hard to talk about the normal meego | 14:54 |
| strannik1 | Because there are no devices running it | 14:54 |
| dm8tbr | it's not hard at all | 14:54 |
| strannik1 | You could install it on your pc | 14:54 |
| clbr | strannik1: also have a look at #maemo, as this is where #meego and #harmattan derivces from, community-wise | 14:54 |
| strannik1 | But its not that exciting | 14:55 |
| strannik1 | Clbr: cool :) | 14:55 |
| dm8tbr | this channel was never intended for 'end users' as meego in it's core form is not an end-user operating system | 14:55 |
| dm8tbr | the productizations are | 14:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | the less was #harmattan | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess #harmattan end-user IRC channel is #n9 | 15:02 |
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| jabis | too many channels x) running out of alt+shortcuts x) | 15:04 |
| dm8tbr | pffz | 15:04 |
| * dm8tbr looks at his 150+ irc windows :( | 15:04 | |
| jabis | I only have one window per sse - irssi x) | 15:07 |
| hiemanshu | dm8tbr: private convos to yourself to pass around links dont count | 15:08 |
| hiemanshu | :P | 15:08 |
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| jabis | lol | 15:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer | hiemanshu: :-D | 15:16 |
| hiemanshu | hey DocScrutinizer | 15:16 |
| dm8tbr | hiemanshu: psssh, for those I have a vim in a second 'screen' window ;) | 15:19 |
| hiemanshu | dm8tbr: haha, or just allow your browser to sync? :P | 15:19 |
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| hiemanshu | dm8tbr: or dropbox :D | 15:19 |
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| lbt | A new boiler ... how hard can it be? http://www.flickr.com/photos/96141280@N00/sets/72157627879948777/ | 20:09 |
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| berndhs | lbt: where are the pics of the house after it burned down ? | 20:20 |
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| dm8tbr | serious plumbing | 20:23 |
| dm8tbr | world of goo? that sounds like a pipe-mania clone | 20:25 |
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| lbt | community OBS going down for scheduled maintenance | 21:28 |
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