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| npm | FAIL: "windows phone camp" signups require Silverlight to view. (But then again so does developing for Intel's AppUp for MeeGo/Tizen). | 17:26 |
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| npm | and then when you sign up, the add to calendar button opens "javascript:OpenAddToOutlook(true)" | 17:31 |
| npm | doesn't bode well for the platform :-) | 17:31 |
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| RST38h | You do not have Outlook installed? Weird! | 17:32 |
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| npm | the only legal copy of windows i have runs on linux: http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qemu-finally-running-winxp.png | 17:33 |
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| futbolsalas15 | hello, can someone help me to make a webconference about meego? I'm from Bogota, Colombia and at my university we will develop an Mobile OS Conference | 17:34 |
| npm | aren't you about a year late? | 17:34 |
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| futbolsalas15 | well, i have tried to communicate with the Meego administrator, but i never have got an answer, so this is my last chance. | 17:37 |
| npm | because meego is dead | 17:37 |
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| npm | proof: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-releases/ | 17:39 |
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| slaine | futbolsalas15: or just got to meego.com and read what's on the front page | 17:39 |
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| npm | pretty silly to kill something, and announce a replacement that's vapor. imho, meego should have been supported and continued until a viable working tizen release is available | 17:41 |
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| futbolsalas15 | and then? would you recommend me? | 17:42 |
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| npm | and then tizen should have been positioned as an upgrade to meego, not a throwthebabyoutwithbathwater replacement. | 17:42 |
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| npm | go to #harmattan | 17:42 |
| npm | it could probably have been funded by running a few less "sponsors of tomorrow" commercials | 17:43 |
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| radiofree | npm: meego is dead, go to harmattan? ;) | 17:45 |
| Aard | harmattan is only marginally more alive ;) | 17:46 |
| npm | or meego-ce, which is still being moved forward by nokia | 17:46 |
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| npm | there is a product being sold | 17:46 |
| npm | i have a harmattan device in front of me that is a delight and not vapor. it's only problem -- too expensive. | 17:46 |
| berndhs | indeed, the N9 is being sold, sort of | 17:46 |
| npm | which is a lot more than a bunch of announcements that meego will be kicking the can down the road | 17:47 |
| berndhs | it is a little bit more, not a lot | 17:47 |
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| slaine | I feel happy | 17:47 |
| npm | i can buy a device. i can run software on it. | 17:47 |
| berndhs | a lot can be done with it of course | 17:47 |
| Aard | well, it's already pretty clear when harmattan wil be dead | 17:47 |
| slaine | I think I'll go for a walk | 17:47 |
| npm | when meltemi comes out | 17:47 |
| Aard | no, earlier :) | 17:48 |
| slaine | You're not fooling anyone you know | 17:48 |
| berndhs | right, if Nokia choses to do that | 17:48 |
| npm | they have announced they will | 17:48 |
| npm | it makes tons of business sense | 17:48 |
| berndhs | many things make business sense and are not done | 17:48 |
| npm | meltemi is smart backup for when windows mango fails | 17:49 |
| Aard | no, it's not | 17:49 |
| npm | why? | 17:49 |
| berndhs | sure it makes sense, i'm just saying making sense is not a good predictor | 17:49 |
| npm | it is when there's financials involved | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | rumours and speculation -> #meego-bar | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | meltemi is a rumour - there's not press releases, have it over in the bar over a pint of guiness | 17:50 |
| berndhs | yeah that's why we have massive bank failures and countries defaulting on their debt :) | 17:50 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: Does it still matter, with Meego dropped by *both* corporate sponsors? | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | RST38h: off topic is off topic | 17:51 |
| npm | Stskeeps: wrong there's press releases | 17:51 |
| npm | it is public | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | npm: [citation needed] | 17:51 |
| npm | it is not rumor or speculation | 17:51 |
| RST38h | Stskeeps: true. | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | npm: only thing i've seen was WSJ passing on rumours | 17:51 |
| npm | http://techcrunch.com/2011/09/29/nokia-preparing-new-meltemi-os-for-low-end-phones/ | 17:52 |
| berndhs | meltemi is a solid as tizen :) | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | npm: that's not a press release | 17:52 |
| w00t | that's rumour, not a press release | 17:52 |
| RST38h | that is almost a blog! :) | 17:52 |
| npm | it is in the press, if the wsj covers it, it is not rumor. it is news | 17:53 |
| leinir | ... | 17:53 |
| futbolsalas15 | ok, thanks for your help | 17:54 |
| w00t | if it came directly from nokia, it would be news | 17:54 |
| w00t | as it isn't, it's speculation - the two are often confused | 17:54 |
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| npm | why would nokia make the mistake of undercutting their own products twice. one elop fail is enough | 17:54 |
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| berndhs | futbolsalas15: so the MeeGo summary is, there is the N9 running harmattan, and that's the end of it | 17:55 |
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| npm | you don't talk about your future products to prevent people from buying your current one. it's the kind of stuff taught in business preschool. | 17:55 |
| npm | apparently elop never went to business preschool, or business school. | 17:56 |
| npm | and the same lesson applies for Tizen and MeeGo | 17:56 |
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| Stskeeps | for all we know, meltemi is the OS that runs http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/music/music-streaming/nokia-home-music | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | so it's useless to really discuss anything related to it | 17:56 |
| npm | interesting | 17:57 |
| npm | that's a good idea. hopefully nokia will make some elegant meltemi tv set tops?? | 17:57 |
| futbolsalas15 | berndhs: thanks for your answer, but then should I try to get an answer on #tizen? | 17:58 |
| berndhs | futbolsalas15: not much is publically know about tizen, they won't tell you much at this point | 17:58 |
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| futbolsalas15 | berndhs: ok, do you know much about meego right? well, i mentioned previously that i need a speaker for a Mobile OS conference, would you like participate in a web conference? | 18:04 |
| berndhs | futbolsalas15: i couldn't provide much other than speculation, wouldn't be very useful | 18:06 |
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| futbolsalas15 | berndhs: ok, thanks for your time and attention! | 18:07 |
| futbolsalas15 | and someone would participate in the web conference? | 18:07 |
| npm | futbolsalas15: perhaps ask in #mer ? | 18:07 |
| npm | that would be the only viable replacement to meego | 18:07 |
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| futbolsalas15 | npm: ok, i will try on it, thanks! | 18:09 |
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| dneary_ | thiago: Ping? | 18:34 |
| dneary_ | Still around? | 18:34 |
| thiago | dneary_: yes | 18:35 |
| thiago | dneary_: pong | 18:35 |
| dneary_ | thiago: I assume you're talking about "What community?"? | 18:36 |
| dneary_ | Or "From MeeGo to Tizen"? | 18:37 |
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| thiago | dneary_: http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2011/10/from-meego-to-tizen-the-making-of-another-software-bubble | 18:38 |
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| dneary_ | thiago: Just seeing it now | 18:39 |
| dneary_ | I knew it was going live today, but had forgotten | 18:39 |
| dneary_ | thiago: Too cynical/negative, do you think? | 18:40 |
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| thiago | no, I think it was very good | 18:40 |
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| pebcak | how root is root at the n9? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | not very until you root it further | 19:35 |
| sandroandrade | hi there, which meego obs repo should I use to install plasma active on N900 ? I've tryied Project:KDE:Trunk:Testing but some packages are missing (oxygen theme, etc) | 19:36 |
| dneary_ | thiago: And accurate, from where you're standing? | 19:38 |
| pebcak | ok, how much root did other people rooting further already get? | 19:38 |
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| M4rtinK | I have hit quite an interesting OBS build issue - the same package (libgtk) builds in in project but not in the other, even with the same prerequisite packages... | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | in my home harmattan project (home:MartinK:harmattan) it fails like this: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=libgtk&project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard | 19:44 |
| M4rtinK | but the same package builds just fin in home:MartinK:gtk or home:aaporantalainen | 19:45 |
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| M4rtinK | also, it fails in the community (home:rzr:harmattan) project with the same error as in home:MartinK:harmattan | 19:46 |
| M4rtinK | lbt, X-Fade: any pointers what might be the root case ? | 19:47 |
| M4rtinK | I have even done a wipebinaries & rebuild on the repo with no effect... | 19:48 |
| M4rtinK | and I get the same error with a local build | 19:48 |
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| thiago | dneary_: yes | 19:51 |
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| aurynn | Hey all. So, I'm a noob, and it seems I've bricked my shiny new N9. It powers up and displays what looks like a refresh icon. I figure it needs to be re-flashed.. but I've no idea where to get the base OS image, and I was recommended here. :) Halp? | 21:26 |
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| auke | aurynn: #meego-arm | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | rather #harmattan :P | 21:56 |
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| aurynn | :) | 21:57 |
| auke | Stskeeps: I don't keep up with you guys hopping channels ;) | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: yeah.. #meego-arm was never harmattan, we were about pure meego ;) | 21:58 |
| * Stskeeps ponders what state of the art hackable wifi routers are these days | 21:58 | |
| Stskeeps | just had mine's power supply blow up | 21:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | asus wl series | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it was a wl-500gp | 21:58 |
| TSCHAKeee | I am now running a machine based off a TYAN S5512.. Xeon E3-1240 (Sandy Bridge).. is awesome :) | 21:59 |
| phellarv | Stskeeps: I have a WNR3500L - Decent capabilities, but not very good range. | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee: http://cosmo1847.co.uk/?page=cluster :) | 22:00 |
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| Stskeeps | auke: while i have you, if we were to expand on the user session systemd stuff, could you give me some pointers in the right direction? | 22:00 |
| Stskeeps | like, actually start using that within a session | 22:00 |
| mord | Stskeeps: tp-link? | 22:00 |
| mord | cheap, hackable | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | mm, mayb | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | e | 22:01 |
| mord | surprisingly good | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | mord: I've been looking at tp-link | 22:01 |
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| CosmoHill | mord: do you have a tp-link router with adsl2+? | 22:06 |
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| mord | CosmoHill: yes, tried to find thebox to be able to tell the model number but having recently moved house, was unable to locate it | 22:09 |
| mord | 600something iirc | 22:09 |
| CosmoHill | I've been thinking of egtting one to replace my crap netgear | 22:09 |
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| mord | CosmoHill: i'd say i was pleasantly surprised given the very affordable price | 22:15 |
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| phaeron | mord: hey o/ | 22:16 |
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| mord | hey phaeron :) | 22:34 |
| phaeron | long time no see ;) | 22:36 |
| mord | indeed | 22:36 |
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| auke | Stskeeps: `systemd --user` isn't workable atm, it's still work in progress | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 22:54 |
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| CosmoHill | I like that windows update will install drivers for you but I don't like that that is the only way to install some drivers | 23:01 |
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| CosmoHill | oooo, new tp-link website | 23:25 |
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