| CosmoHill | Venemo: look in /etc/sysconfig/network | 00:02 |
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| CosmoHill | you should also update /etc/hosts | 00:03 |
| Venemo | CosmoHill, I've already found this: http://www.ducea.com/2006/08/07/how-to-change-the-hostname-of-a-linux-system/ | 00:03 |
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| Venemo | but thanks anyway :) | 00:15 |
| CosmoHill | no worries | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | I just ssh'd into my server and looked up the files :) | 00:16 |
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| Venemo | what's annoying me is that the Netbook UX refuses to find the .desktop files in my ~/.local/share/applications | 00:47 |
| Venemo | how can I tell it to refresh, or empty its cache, whatever? | 00:48 |
| CosmoHill | you may have to logout and log back in | 00:48 |
| Venemo | I already had a reboot | 00:49 |
| Venemo | didn't help | 00:49 |
| CosmoHill | should the .desktop file be in ~ ? | 00:49 |
| Venemo | nope | 00:49 |
| Venemo | ~/.local/share/applications is pretty standard | 00:50 |
| infobot | okay, Venemo | 00:50 |
| Venemo | OMG | 00:50 |
| Venemo | infobot rulz... :D | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | ~~ | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | the bot of info doesn't like me | 00:50 |
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| Venemo | .D | 00:59 |
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| Venemo | meh. | 01:02 |
| Venemo | last time I got it to refresh somehow | 01:02 |
| Venemo | but forgot how | 01:02 |
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| Venemo | even if I put the .desktop files into /usr/share/applications/ it doesn't notice them! | 01:09 |
| Venemo | crap | 01:09 |
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| MannyNS | Does anyone know if there will be MeeGo mini summit in Prague in two weeks, or the summit schedule is now obsolete? | 01:16 |
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| vgrade | MannyNS, the MeeGo summit is to be replaced by a Tizen mini summit | 01:20 |
| vgrade | https://www.tizen.org/community/events/2011/linuxcon-europe-2011 | 01:21 |
| vgrade | I was a speaker at the MeeGo Event | 01:22 |
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| MannyNS | vgrade, I still see MeeGo topics there | 01:27 |
| MannyNS | https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe/foll | 01:27 |
| MannyNS | https://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe/schedule | 01:27 |
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| vgrade | but they have been ` | 01:32 |
| vgrade | but they have been removed from the embedded scheule I think | 01:32 |
| MannyNS | I see 6 topics with word MeeGo in the title | 01:34 |
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| Venemo | Qt 4.7.2 in MeeGo can send touch events to my app. Qt 4.7.4 that comes with the Qt SDK, installed on the same system, can NOT send touch events for multitouch input and is a lot slower. why is this? | 01:47 |
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| CosmoHill | what's the page with all the IRC stats Stskeeps keeps? | 01:53 |
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| Venemo | also, why is it that it can only handle 2 touch points??? | 02:20 |
| Venemo | well, QTouchEvents are f*cking buggy. | 02:26 |
| Venemo | crap. | 02:26 |
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| thiago | Venemo: Qt for MeeGo is patched with a hacked XInput2 support | 02:30 |
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| Venemo | thiago, and this is excuse enough for it to be glitchy crap? | 02:32 |
| thiago | Venemo: the standard 4.7.4 has no support for XInput2. All the single-point events come from XInput1. The same as all other X apps. | 02:32 |
| Venemo | thiago, I understand... | 02:33 |
| Venemo | thiago :) | 02:33 |
| * thiago fought for proper XInput2.1 support for almost two years | 02:33 | |
| thiago | in the end, I accepted defeat | 02:33 |
| thiago | X will never have multitouch support. | 02:33 |
| thiago | Wayland might | 02:33 |
| Venemo | thiago, well, my problem is really the fact that it has glitches. like, it kindof freezes when I try to have more than two input points (more than two fingers) | 02:34 |
| berndhs | i find it ironic how X carefully hides the touch events of simple touchpads | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | X just needs to fucking DIE | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE | 02:34 |
| thiago | Venemo: it should not receive the second finger at all | 02:34 |
| TSCHAKeee | alt.x.window.system.has.had.its.time.now.die.die.die | 02:34 |
| Venemo | TSCHAKeee :D :D | 02:34 |
| RST38h | You die. X11 stays. | 02:34 |
| thiago | RST38h: that's what we fear :-) | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | X11 is becoming a liability | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | on all fronts | 02:35 |
| Venemo | also, it detects TouchEnd events very glitchily - when I release the first touch point but keep the second, the item which got the events for the first one then gets all the events that only the other one should get! | 02:35 |
| thiago | which is why I'm working with krh and others to bring about Wayland | 02:35 |
| berndhs | I remember when X11 was brand new. We all had a bright future ahead of us. | 02:35 |
| TSCHAKeee | berndhs: me too | 02:35 |
| thiago | Venemo: unfortunately, XInput2 support for multitouch is hackish. It's unfinished work. | 02:35 |
| RST38h | thiago: another redhat-spawned abomination | 02:36 |
| Venemo | afaik the multitouch stuff comes from canonical | 02:36 |
| thiago | RST38h: no, Nokia | 02:36 |
| thiago | RST38h: XInput2 is fine for what it was intended to do. Except no one needs MPX. | 02:36 |
| thiago | we tried to hack multitouch into XI2 | 02:36 |
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| TSCHAKeee | RST38h & thiago: with LinuxMCE, we're using a window manager, a compositing manager, openGL, and VDPAU or XV surfaces, ALL at the same time. There is absolutely _NO_ way under X, to prevent the final output from streaking. NONE. ZERO. | 02:37 |
| Venemo | thiago, but what went wrong? seriously. | 02:37 |
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| thiago | Venemo: XInput2.1 never finished | 02:37 |
| thiago | Venemo: the X.org crowd is afraid of the mistakes of XI2, which they rushed in but serves no good purpose. | 02:37 |
| thiago | Venemo: so they'd like to give XI2.1 a little more testing before accepting | 02:37 |
| Venemo | thiago, how convenient of them | 02:37 |
| TSCHAKeee | X11 can not synchronize rendering to frame boundaries | 02:37 |
| thiago | Venemo: the problem is that X's time has run out. Wayland's time has come. | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's simply not set up to. | 02:38 |
| thiago | in Qt, we're not interested in driving X11 support anymore. We're pushing for Wayland. | 02:38 |
| Venemo | so what? will Qt support multitouch under Windows? | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | in X, everything is async | 02:38 |
| thiago | Venemo: it already has. Since 4.5. | 02:38 |
| Venemo | OMG | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | and in a world where visual displays need to be smooth | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | this is hell. | 02:38 |
| TSCHAKeee | so X11 can just go lay down in a field. | 02:39 |
| Venemo | I never imagined to install windows to my ideapad... but... if this is what it costs to develop a multitouch app... | 02:39 |
| Venemo | TSCHAKeee, you really passionately hate X now, don't you? | 02:39 |
| RST38h | thiago: You seem to be driving yourself out of general usage area more and more | 02:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | Venemo: no, I don't hate X, I just think it needs to go. I've used X almost from its inception, and the world is a VERY different place from the workstation driven X terminals of 25 years ago | 02:40 |
| thiago | RST38h: what do you mean? | 02:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | there is zero reason to hang onto X11 | 02:40 |
| thiago | well, there is reason to hang on to X11 | 02:40 |
| thiago | because there are things running on it | 02:40 |
| Venemo | TSCHAKeee, thiago, how far is Wayland from actually becoming an X replacement on MeeGo/Mer? | 02:40 |
| RST38h | thiago: Well, wherever I see businesses using Qt, they are using QWidgets, 2D, X11 | 02:40 |
| thiago | but we don't want to *drive* X11 | 02:40 |
| thiago | X11 can stay where it is, doing what it has been doing | 02:41 |
| RST38h | thiago: They do not seem to be interested in QML, 3D, or Wayland | 02:41 |
| thiago | Qt has stopped using XRender and such. It just draws everything on its own. | 02:41 |
| RST38h | thiago: Now,I can understand not using X11-specific stuff | 02:41 |
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| RST38h | thiago: But if I were you, I would *always* keep things able to draw to a plain framebuffer. | 02:42 |
| thiago | RST38h: most commercial Qt customers targetting exclusively Linux don't want to hear about X11 either | 02:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | bingo | 02:42 |
| thiago | plain framebuffer is what they want | 02:42 |
| RST38h | thiago: right | 02:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | and thiago nails it | 02:42 |
| thiago | except they want to do OpenGL stuff now | 02:42 |
| thiago | better performance | 02:42 |
| RST38h | thiago: so allthese tieups to GLES, Wayland, etc is not a good idea | 02:42 |
| TSCHAKeee | openGL ES right to the framebuffer. | 02:42 |
| thiago | the QWS (Qt for Embedded Linux) architecture wasn't designed for that. | 02:42 |
| thiago | RST38h: the customers I spoke to disagree with you. | 02:42 |
| RST38h | thiago: embedded is not the only thing around | 02:42 |
| RST38h | thiago: You mean Nokia? =) | 02:43 |
| thiago | RST38h: they very much liked the idea of getting more performance out of the chips | 02:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | RST38h: but it is where the growth is happening. | 02:43 |
| thiago | RST38h: at nokia, talking to external customers. | 02:43 |
| RST38h | thiago: Well, there are other Qt users :) | 02:43 |
| TSCHAKeee | RST38h: and it is a shit ton of growth. | 02:43 |
| thiago | before they were digia's customers. | 02:43 |
| thiago | RST38h: I didn't talk to a single Nokia product developer. | 02:43 |
| Venemo | thiago, out of curiousity, is MT as glitch on Harmattan as well? | 02:43 |
| thiago | I talked to 15-20 external companies. | 02:43 |
| thiago | Venemo: I don't think so. But I haven't used any Harmattan device in over 3 months. | 02:43 |
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| TSCHAKeee | Venemo: multitouch works fine on harmattan | 02:44 |
| TSCHAKeee | i suspect plenty of hacks underneath to make it so | 02:44 |
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| thiago | RST38h: when we talked to them about Lighthouse and Scene Graph, they were happy | 02:44 |
| thiago | RST38h: and as the discussion on qt5-feedback goes, QWidget's architecture is at its limit. There's no way we can improve it further, make it faster. | 02:44 |
| Venemo | TSCHAKeee, this is another MEH moment. | 02:45 |
| thiago | the only way to make things faster is to use the GPU. That means OpenGL (ES). And using OpenGL like it was meant to be used: retained mode. | 02:45 |
| Venemo | so how far is Wayland from actually becoming an X replacement? | 02:45 |
| thiago | Venemo: that's a loaded question. It depends on what you need from X. | 02:48 |
| thiago | for access to the display? It's done. | 02:48 |
| thiago | for drag-and-drop and window management like on the desktop? not there yet | 02:48 |
| Venemo | thiago, so why aren't there guys actually using wayland? | 02:48 |
| Venemo | thiago, what's missing from drag&drop and window management? | 02:49 |
| thiago | for doing server-side drawing? will never happen | 02:49 |
| thiago | Venemo: specifications and toolkits implementing them | 02:49 |
| Venemo | afaik wayland doesn't intend to do server-side drawing | 02:49 |
| Venemo | and also afaik Qt and Gtk and Clutter already support wayland | 02:49 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh yes, and...companies like NVIDIA releasing #$(#@$#@ drivers to u | 02:49 |
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| TSCHAKeee | it, rather. | 02:50 |
| Venemo | heh. | 02:51 |
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| Venemo | hmm | 02:53 |
| Venemo | thiago, I've just discovered that one of the glitches are definitely not the fault of X here. | 02:54 |
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| Venemo | eg. the TouchEnd event contains touchPoints that are definitely not belonging to that event. | 02:54 |
| Venemo | this maybe just because of the undocumentedness of Qt's API | 02:56 |
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| dontbehero | hey | 09:03 |
| dontbehero | what's the status of meego on tegra?? | 09:03 |
| dontbehero | asus transformer specifically | 09:03 |
| dontbehero | android is a pos | 09:04 |
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| Elleo | dontbehero: have you seen: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/TEGRA2 | 09:04 |
| dontbehero | asus transformer is no there, but since it's using tegra should work fine? | 09:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | if you're asking this question | 09:07 |
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| TSCHAKeee | in this manner | 09:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | then it's not for you | 09:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | meego is very much a developer OS for developing appliance like applications | 09:08 |
| dontbehero | uh? | 09:08 |
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| TSCHAKeee | what are you expecting? | 09:09 |
| cxl000 | As it is not mentioned no one has yet attempted a port or reported on an attempt | 09:09 |
| dontbehero | that's what I don't get, if it's a tegra 2 why is not on the page. | 09:09 |
| slonopotamus | meego is a developer os?! | 09:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | slonopotamus: the meego platform as it is, is basically a reference platform | 09:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | for other interested individuals to build off of. | 09:10 |
| cxl000 | You could add it to the page if you like with the comment that noone has yet attempted a port | 09:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | dontbehero: and again, the answer is, BECAUSE NOBODY HAS TRIED IT. | 09:10 |
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| TSCHAKeee | dontbehero: it should work in theory | 09:11 |
| dontbehero | weird, asus is the most popular android tablet out there. The page has devices nobody ever heard of. | 09:11 |
| vgrade | dontbehero, send me your transformer and I'll port it | 09:11 |
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| TSCHAKeee | slight differences in the hardware might cause issues | 09:11 |
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| dontbehero | well, I don't mind trying to install. | 09:12 |
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| vgrade | dontbehero, there is enough info on that page for you to attempt a bring up, see my notes on the initial bringup | 09:12 |
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| alterego | vgrade: email, looks interesting :) | 09:15 |
| dontbehero | hawt | 09:15 |
| vgrade | you will need tools, adb, mic2, osc, code sourcery, fedora VM | 09:16 |
| dontbehero | asus released kernel for transformer | 09:16 |
| vgrade | what version you need 2.6.36 or better | 09:16 |
| dontbehero | > Eee Pad Kernel Code for Android 3.2 OS (V8.6.5.7) | 09:17 |
| vgrade | alterego, yea there looks to be a standard conection (not usb) on the original dev board | 09:17 |
| dontbehero | dl'ing as we chat | 09:18 |
| dontbehero | Nvidia Recovery Mode is same for all tegra tablets? | 09:19 |
| * TSCHAKeee attaches his Darth Vader mask (CPAP) and gets ready for bed :P :) | 09:22 | |
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| vgrade | dontbehero, try it | 09:27 |
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| vgrade | http://www.techofweb.com/technology/root-asus-eee-pad-transformer.html | 09:28 |
| vgrade | http://tabletroms.com/index.php/2011/06/12/official-nvflash-recovery-rom-asus-transformer-released/ | 09:30 |
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| vgrade | http://androidroot.mobi/2011/06/13/nvflash-on-asus-transformer/ | 09:33 |
| vgrade | so APX mode is supported | 09:33 |
| vgrade | at least on the older devices | 09:33 |
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| vgrade | http://androidroot.mobi/ tells story of locked bootloader on newer models | 09:35 |
| dontbehero | shii... I bought mine last week. | 09:35 |
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| dontbehero | :( B70 | 09:45 |
| dontbehero | fffffuuuu!! | 09:45 |
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| dontbehero | interesting | 09:52 |
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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 11:15 |
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| melle_ | Hi all, just received a N9, does anyone know if it is possible to SSH into the machine like you could with the N900? | 15:47 |
| leinir | melle_: you're sort of in the wrong channel, but turn on Developer Mode under Settings->Security and you should be able to ssh in :) | 15:48 |
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| melle_ | leinir: thanks, what channel should i be in btw? :) | 15:48 |
| veskuh | at #harmattan | 15:49 |
| melle_ | veskuh: thanks! | 15:49 |
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| mingwandroid | does it also grow a keyboard ;-) | 15:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHAA DNS server of t-online thinks it must intercept and redirect to "search" page my inquiry of http://forum.meego.com/ | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | some are in #tizen, some are in #mer, some are in both | 17:57 |
| Jartza | thought so | 17:57 |
| slaine | and there's not much going in #tizen yet | 17:57 |
| andre__ | ...and some even moved back to #maemo, or so :-P | 17:57 |
| slaine | #mer is where the cool kids hang out ;) | 17:57 |
| the-boss | slaine: Error: "mer" is not a valid command. | 17:57 |
| Jartza | well. I don't like html at all, so for me Tizen is quite pointless. | 17:58 |
| Jartza | unless it supports also Qt | 17:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, in my book both Nokia and Intel managed to kill any momentum in their according projects and also lose all credibility, by convincing all devels with a head to think about it that they for sure will switch OS in max 12 months again, so any effort invested into whatever may be the hype of the month OS flavour is basically wasted and neither community nor commercial developers are interested in participating such a kindergarden | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | in my book, everything is DocScrutinizer's fault, even though he had nothing to do with it | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ;) | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, I promised it from day one :-P | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | so it's actually all my fault | 18:08 |
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| berndhs | oh i'm sure #tizen is going to be just great, just wait. Bring lunch, maybe a tent. Sleeping bag. Could be a while. | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, just the camp will get closed when it's starting to get fun (aka switch from tizen to froozle as soon as there's any chance the former may reach a state where it begins to be useful) | 18:12 |
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| thiago | berndhs: now I'm hungry | 18:14 |
| berndhs | eat before the food gets deprecated :) | 18:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 18:14 |
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| mwichmann | lsb | 19:23 |
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| CosmoHill | ? | 19:26 |
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| thiago | yes, the lsb :-) | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | Larry Shot Barry? | 19:30 |
| CosmoHill | Lanky Stable Boy? | 19:31 |
| dm8tbr | Lower Side Band? | 19:31 |
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| CosmoHill | Ladies Sacrifice Badger? | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | lardman|gone: Scars berndhs? | 19:33 |
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| berndhs | least significant bit | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | little / big endian? | 19:35 |
| berndhs | either way | 19:35 |
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| alterego | root has been castrated developer is a normal user. | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | is that the WP7 brainwash talking? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:49 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:50 |
| rayyen | is there any chance nokia will change that? | 19:50 |
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| alterego | There are some funny things in WP, but some interesting things too. | 19:51 |
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| alterego | A train has broken down in front of the one I'm on so I'm stuck here for a bit :( | 19:51 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:51 |
| berndhs | get out and push ? | 19:53 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: heading where? | 19:54 |
| alterego | london to cambridge | 19:54 |
| alterego | Apparently it's blockinhg trains in both directions, good job. | 19:55 |
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| CosmoHill | alterego: does that go via Colchester? | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | heh, colchester, nice town | 19:56 |
| alterego | no, stevenage, hitchen | 19:57 |
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| CosmoHill | ah cool, probably means your train won't be blocking my dad's train | 19:57 |
| alterego | good for him :P | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | indeed :) | 19:57 |
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| sirderigo | hello | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | hi | 20:02 |
| sirderigo | how are you Stskeeps ? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | i'm surprisingly good | 20:02 |
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| sirderigo | Stskeeps: so am i! thats amazing... i guess Murphy finally found out he is dead and decided to leave humanity alone | 20:02 |
| sirderigo | Stskeeps: i want to install more software in my meego but the repos doesnt include java or openoffice... | 20:03 |
| sirderigo | wich mirror should i add | 20:03 |
| sirderigo | ? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | i guess you can read up on the meegolem stuff | 20:03 |
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| sirderigo | what is meegolem??? | 20:04 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: when were you in Colchester? | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: when i was 13 | 20:05 |
| alterego | cool name | 20:05 |
| CosmoHill | so not recently then | 20:05 |
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| sirderigo | Stskeeps: what about twitter? why it doesnt appear? | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think there was a API key issue | 20:06 |
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| alterego | I'll tell you one thing that is pretty horrible about Windows Phone, XNA, their gaming 3D stuff, doesn't allow you to write your own shaders. | 20:10 |
| alterego | Apparently that and native code support is on Ms' "list" | 20:11 |
| leinir | well, that's because shaders, arguably, are native code ;) | 20:12 |
| leinir | it just runs on a different processor ;) | 20:12 |
| alterego | Somethings are interesting, complete data storage isolation. | 20:12 |
| alterego | :P | 20:12 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: not really surprising, considering our grande stuff | 20:12 |
| alterego | Their navigation model is interesting. | 20:13 |
| alterego | No true multitasking, there is apparently no way for two apps to share the same data unless they work with a we service. | 20:14 |
| alterego | web .. | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | might seem like limitations now, but preperation for future | 20:14 |
| alterego | To be honest I'm not too bothered :) | 20:14 |
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| alterego | #png_guy2 seemed well miffed though :) | 20:15 |
| the-boss | alterego: Error: "png_guy2" is not a valid command. | 20:15 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:15 |
| alterego | Train is moving again ... ish | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | brakes failed? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:16 |
| alterego | we're on the sloooow line now apparently ... :/ | 20:17 |
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| alterego | I think to really piss intel off, Nokia should wait for tizen and release a Qt UI on top of a Tizen handset :) | 20:21 |
| alterego | I also wonder if Windows Phone supports HTML5 .. | 20:21 |
| alterego | If it doesn and supports webgl, well, you can define your own shaders there ... | 20:22 |
| wmarone | alterego: which would piss intel off... how? | 20:22 |
| wmarone | (it'd certainly show Nokia is managerially insane!) | 20:22 |
| alterego | I dunno, maybe Intel dropped MeeGo brand because of Harmattan and Qt. | 20:23 |
| alterego | I.E. too much Nokia involvement without Nokia. | 20:23 |
| wmarone | maybe harmattan, but mostly Nokia | 20:23 |
| wmarone | Qt is just an unfortunate victim due to it being owned by Nokia | 20:24 |
| thiago | which is why we're working hard to dispell the notion that it's "owned" | 20:24 |
| alterego | indeed | 20:25 |
| SpeedEvil | pwned. | 20:25 |
| alterego | My train has just been taken out of service and I've had tgo get off to get on the one behind. woo trains! | 20:25 |
| vgrade | alterego, sounds like a nightmare journey | 20:26 |
| CosmoHill | sounds kinda average | 20:26 |
| alterego | Sounds like a standard day for Jaffa | 20:27 |
| alterego | I've never had any more problems than a five minute delay in the past :) | 20:27 |
| vgrade | glad I don't do the commute to London | 20:27 |
| alterego | It's a bitch, have to get up at six or earlier if you want to arrive at a reasonable time out side of kings cross area. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | i'm just glad i just have to commute to my office chair | 20:28 |
| alterego | And I really need a piss ... | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:28 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: is your office designed so that you can move about without getting up? | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | nah | 20:30 |
| berndhs | reminds me of the good old days and driving to work in my 66 Mustang | 20:33 |
| berndhs | every day was an adventure | 20:33 |
| CosmoHill | I can roll about my room in my chair, but then again I can also roll into the computer's power button | 20:33 |
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| alterego | Almost home now. I am knackered -_- | 21:18 |
| alterego | And staaaarvin' | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo wazd | 22:03 |
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