| npm | http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/22/microsoft-woos-webos-developers-with-free-phones-training/ | 00:00 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Or is it *Pier* 1 ?? | 00:15 |
| * gabrbedd can't spell | 00:15 | |
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| * CosmoHill can't spell either | 00:15 | |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: IIRC it's a line from the movie. The store is a place for women to go and get trendy furnature a pillows for your couch. | 00:15 |
| gabrbedd | s/e a p/e and p/ | 00:16 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: CosmoHill: IIRC it's a line from the movie. The store is a place for women to go and get trendy furnature and pillows for your couch. | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | couch = sofa right? | 00:16 |
| gabrbedd | yes | 00:16 |
| CosmoHill | good good | 00:16 |
| * CosmoHill can't read either | 00:16 | |
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| CosmoHill | what does "tri-state" mean? | 00:28 |
| thiago | it has three states, instead of two | 00:29 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | CosmoHill: it's a an area, with three states in it, like a corner where three states come together. | 00:30 |
| IanWizard-Cloud | CosmoHill: (I'm refering to it out of context, don't think that this is anything relevant to whatever you are doing.) | 00:30 |
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| CosmoHill | yeah the tri-state area | 00:31 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Aren't you a little /young/ to be asking about tri-state areas? | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | maybe | 00:46 |
| CosmoHill | I'd give you a yes / no but I don't know what it is | 00:46 |
| thiago | a tri-state gate has three states: on (true), off (false), disabled | 00:46 |
| thiago | a tri-state check-box usually has enabled, disabled, indeterminate | 00:47 |
| thiago | the indeterminate state is usually used to indicate that some of the sub-options are enabled and some are disabled | 00:47 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Before I go on... are we talking about Phineas and Ferb, or not? | 00:48 |
| * CosmoHill stares blankly | 00:49 | |
| CosmoHill | lets stop here | 00:49 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Um... what context did you hear it? | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | blues brothers | 00:53 |
| CosmoHill | the nazis want to search the tri-state area | 00:53 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: In the United States, where 3 states meet... if there is a major city in that area it is common for it to be referred to as "the tri-state area" | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay, thanks | 00:55 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Blues Brothers takes place in Chicago, IL -- which is near Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana. | 00:56 |
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| * pixelgeek1 chuckling at the culture gap | 00:57 | |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: There is a "tri-state area" around New York also... including the State of New York, New Jersey, and (I think) Pennsylvania. | 00:57 |
| gabrbedd | pixelgeek1: ha! I was just thinking about you. Because these days, I keep hearing Dr. Doofenshmirtz scheming to control "...the entire Tri-State Area!" | 00:59 |
| pixelgeek1 | :) | 00:59 |
| pixelgeek1 | With his new Evilinator... | 00:59 |
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| gabrbedd | :-) | 01:01 |
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| * CosmoHill eats a peanut butter and jam sandwich for the first time | 01:13 | |
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| CosmoHill | hehe | 01:23 |
| CosmoHill | watching the 2nd car chase in blues brothers and there are fag butts rolling about on the dash as they turn | 01:23 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, filmed nowadays, they would be e-cigs :P | 01:25 |
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| CosmoHill | oh no, smoking is bad | 01:25 |
| CosmoHill | it would be chewing gum | 01:25 |
| * lcuk nods | 01:25 | |
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| CosmoHill | probably a more enviorment car too | 01:26 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, when does your next uni year start | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: oh I finished for good | 01:27 |
| lcuk | tracy has informed me (via the calendar) that jake goes back on 7th sept | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | and I currently have no intention of doing a PHD or masters | 01:27 |
| lcuk | ahh | 01:27 |
| lcuk | I picked up prospectus for local college | 01:28 |
| CosmoHill | I have the choice of rushing the desition and doing a PHD on something or doing it later and getting charged 3 times as much | 01:28 |
| lcuk | if I can sort out the daytimes for next phase, I will do an evening course | 01:28 |
| * lcuk looking at business courses :) | 01:30 | |
| * CosmoHill really should be looking for jobs but I just want to spend time with my friends | 01:30 | |
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| lcuk | I am hoping to continue helping build the CommunityEdition | 01:31 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, http://liqbase.net/wallcalendar_interest.php | 01:31 |
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| lcuk | making that into professional build would be exciting and actually having it working happily in meego tablet and handset is my desire | 01:32 |
| * lcuk strongly wants to sort out bug 13084 though which prevents it from working properly | 01:32 | |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, liquid, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 01:32 |
| javispedro | lcuk: you have that sample app ? ;) | 01:33 |
| lcuk | good point javispedro ! | 01:33 |
| lcuk | you fill in the interest info and I will get you a testcase | 01:33 |
| lcuk | sidetracked with other -ce work | 01:34 |
| javispedro | I just would like to have a xv skeleton that operts the port and renders some pattern so that the bug is visible | 01:34 |
| javispedro | s/operts/opens | 01:34 |
| lcuk | yeah it needs packaging though I expect | 01:34 |
| javispedro | nah, don't worry about that | 01:34 |
| javispedro | it's to do experiments mostly | 01:35 |
| lcuk | ok when I get back from Finns 8 week tests tomorrow I will do it | 01:35 |
| javispedro | but, packaging could help other people that want to reproduce though! | 01:35 |
| lcuk | i did once have one | 01:35 |
| javispedro | no hurries :) | 01:36 |
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| lcuk | well the sooner I get it to you, the sooner that bug might be fixed | 01:36 |
| lcuk | so I have made a note for the morning | 01:36 |
| javispedro | dunno if I'll be able to find it | 01:38 |
| javispedro | but I want to try | 01:38 |
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| lcuk | thanks javispedro :) | 01:39 |
| lcuk | now where did I put that partial one I started.. | 01:39 |
| * CosmoHill could do with some programming tasks | 01:45 | |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, which language/framework/OS? | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | C / C++, maybe with MPI or html / php / sql | 01:46 |
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| CosmoHill | I do also know AS3 and java | 01:48 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://theoatmeal.com/blog/handwriting | 01:49 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, :( shocking | 01:55 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, handwriting is all about practice | 01:55 |
| lcuk | just like everything else | 01:55 |
| CosmoHill | 1. it's not my hand writing | 01:55 |
| lcuk | the more you do it, the better you are | 01:56 |
| lcuk | I know | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | 2. I can't keep the same style on one page, let alone multiple documents | 01:56 |
| CosmoHill | 3. I'd like a fountain pen | 01:56 |
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| javispedro | that's weird | 01:58 |
| javispedro | during elementary my handwriting was cursive, it started to drop in quality already in middle school though, before the introduction of the keyboard. | 01:58 |
| lcuk | writing on my ideapad | 01:59 |
| lcuk | i use chalkboard writing | 01:59 |
| lcuk | proper full hand gestures | 01:59 |
| lcuk | on my n900 and with pen it is delicate finger motions | 01:59 |
| javispedro | you can write on the ideapad? :) | 01:59 |
| lcuk | sure javispedro | 01:59 |
| lcuk | i do it all the time | 01:59 |
| CosmoHill | I can write on my powerbook (with felt tip pens) | 02:00 |
| lcuk | javispedro, http://liqbase.net/a/liq.20110823_000108.liqsketchedit_classic.scr.png | 02:00 |
| lcuk | it is the machine we keep in the kitchen | 02:00 |
| lcuk | tracy spent time tonight filling in the calendar for next few weeks :) | 02:01 |
| javispedro | it's horrible here | 02:01 |
| lcuk | was great to see the entries appear on the handset :) | 02:01 |
| javispedro | I bought that livescribe pen because writing on the n950 is rather horrible | 02:01 |
| javispedro | as was on the ideapad | 02:01 |
| javispedro | maybe the screen senses I hate capacitive and reduces its accuracy ;) | 02:02 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, perfectly usable for calendar and general notes | 02:03 |
| lcuk | I am hoping the new Intel ultrabooks have distributor who is making dual format unit | 02:03 |
| lcuk | a nice 10" real writing device would be win | 02:03 |
| lcuk | all the better if it is intel | 02:04 |
| lcuk | this ideapad battery lasts forfrikkinages | 02:04 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, http://www.n-trig.com/Content.aspx?Page=DualModeTechnology | 02:05 |
| CosmoHill | omg, you kill dawn foster | 02:05 |
| * lcuk giggles a bit | 02:05 | |
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| javispedro | poor dawn | 02:05 |
| CosmoHill | my god he's a madman | 02:05 |
| lcuk | coincidence i hope | 02:05 |
| berndhs | tell it to the jury man | 02:06 |
| * lcuk hangs head | 02:06 | |
| javispedro | probably you crashed his computer, and he was in the middle of the importantest powerpoint slide ever | 02:06 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, this testcase needs a pile of things | 02:08 |
| lcuk | i have been peeking whilst talking | 02:08 |
| lcuk | and now I remember why I didn't make one before | 02:08 |
| lcuk | but I will get on it tomorrow | 02:08 |
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| * lcuk beds for tonight | 02:08 | |
| javispedro | if you think it'll be too large | 02:09 |
| javispedro | lcuk: tell me before starting and I'll just get liqbase | 02:09 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, I will see tomorrow, and if it will be, will just get libliqbase building in the obs | 02:10 |
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| lcuk | that will be the easier I think | 02:11 |
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| CosmoHill | oh shit | 02:24 |
| special | CosmoHill: freenode was using that :| | 02:24 |
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| javispedro | can you stop destroying the internet please. thank you. | 02:28 |
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| CosmoHill | there, fixed | 02:31 |
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| beford | hello | 02:33 |
| npm | is there a newer version of meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519 --?? appup sdk doesn't work on my desktop | 02:33 |
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| berndhs | c.obs api is down ? can't be, it's a weekday | 03:41 |
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| javispedro | berndhs: someone probably told the touchpad wannabes there was an interesting deal there | 04:05 |
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| berndhs | sort of peculiara the the build worker builds a database of manual pages | 04:13 |
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| flailingmonkey | anyone know what neils mayer's nick is? | 05:27 |
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| berndhs | npm ? | 05:29 |
| flailingmonkey | berndhs: thanks :) just found the same info from meego.com user search | 05:30 |
| flailingmonkey | npm: ping | 05:30 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:39 |
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| npm | flailingmonkey: eep! | 07:12 |
| flailingmonkey | npm: i saw you found my crystalHD instructions on the wiki helpful :) | 07:12 |
| npm | indeed! | 07:12 |
| npm | thanks! | 07:12 |
| flailingmonkey | npm: I was all like "wait, did someone use my instructions? they diiiid!" | 07:12 |
| flailingmonkey | :) | 07:12 |
| flailingmonkey | npm: also I know exactly what is up with the io.h and xen headers crap | 07:13 |
| flailingmonkey | npm: if you're curious | 07:13 |
| npm | cool. whazzat? | 07:13 |
| npm | i was in "peephole compilation" mode and just making stuff work | 07:13 |
| npm | and since all i had to do is "zypper in xen-devel" and meego-lem took care of the rest... and the compile worked, that was about all i wanted to know | 07:14 |
| flailingmonkey | so whoever put in the code in io.h which uses the xen headers | 07:14 |
| flailingmonkey | upstream kernel i mean, they put the actual code in an #ifdef CONFIG_XEN block | 07:15 |
| flailingmonkey | BUT, they put the #include at the top, outside the block | 07:15 |
| npm | heh | 07:15 |
| flailingmonkey | so it is always included even when CONFIG_XEN is not set | 07:15 |
| flailingmonkey | it was only fixed in the very latest upstream kernel | 07:15 |
| npm | i see... i guess i wasn't peepholing hard enough | 07:15 |
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| flailingmonkey | fix is simple, move that one include line into the ifdef block :p | 07:16 |
| flailingmonkey | or grab the xen header. but it just isn't supposed to be in the kernel-headers (or meego calls that kernel-devel) if CONFIG_XEN isn't set | 07:16 |
| flailingmonkey | git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next-history.git;a=commit;h=33f35f2a4ee3abfc0f87990058aa1b6b5092f725 | 07:16 |
| flailingmonkey | http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next-history.git;a=commit;h=33f35f2a4ee3abfc0f87990058aa1b6b5092f725 | 07:17 |
| npm | well basically i have the xen header from fedora | 07:17 |
| flailingmonkey | yep | 07:17 |
| npm | and it didn't link anything else so i'll just leave well enough alone | 07:17 |
| flailingmonkey | I got the headers from a different kernel package and put it in | 07:17 |
| npm | but it does explain the issue well. | 07:17 |
| flailingmonkey | in fact, you could just make an empty file named xen.h in the right spot | 07:17 |
| flailingmonkey | because without CONFIG_XEN set, none of the xen code is even called/used | 07:18 |
| npm | actually, since you use the accel, please try out qmltube : ' svn checkout http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube ; qtcreator qmltube/qmltube.pro ' | 07:19 |
| flailingmonkey | I am trying to educate myself on packaging, and make an actual crystalhd package. don't know if i'd have to do anything special for it being a module | 07:20 |
| flailingmonkey | sure thing :) | 07:20 |
| npm | i'd like to know if other meego users can get youtube videos working w/ the existing codecs... my use of http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem give me a warped view of meego, as if it were a real distro you can rely on for day to day work | 07:21 |
| flailingmonkey | yep | 07:21 |
| flailingmonkey | MeeGo-Lem is a good stop-gap or fill in for the many unpackaged programs | 07:21 |
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| npm | well my .pro file has comments and links in it ... and so does my code | 07:21 |
| flailingmonkey | nice | 07:22 |
| flailingmonkey | I actually bought the decoder pack from fluendo (basically a zip of gstreamer filters) to compare against open source options | 07:22 |
| npm | http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/qmltube.pro | 07:22 |
| npm | not sure if it makes sense to package crystalhd for qt, probably just use existing autoconfig based stuff | 07:23 |
| flailingmonkey | mhm | 07:23 |
| flailingmonkey | the flash acceleration is apparently supported in the stable 10.x builds, but I don't know if the 11 beta builds do a better job | 07:24 |
| npm | as in the rpm-building process that makes most of fedora and opensuse does that regularly... it's a "canonical" example (bad choice of words :-) ) | 07:24 |
| flailingmonkey | i mean flash using crystalhd | 07:24 |
| npm | flash with crystalhd yes, but i'm actually more interested in getting it working via gstreamer plugins , which would mean that qtmobility would pick it up for the QML video element, and other progs that use python-gstreamer would also work.... | 07:26 |
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| flailingmonkey | indeed | 07:26 |
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| flailingmonkey | i am not quite sure which video formats the crystalhd gstreamer filter (from the git source) covers | 07:27 |
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| flailingmonkey | i was also finding different support between, say gst-launch playbin2 vs. meego-apps-videos | 07:29 |
| npm | sometimes i get errors though and have to restart the app... | 07:29 |
| npm | (<unknown>:1083): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_mini_object_unref: assertion `GST_IS_MINI_OBJECT (mini_object)' failed | 07:29 |
| npm | Flush called with opcode 2 | 07:29 |
| npm | DtsAllocIoctlData Error | 07:29 |
| flailingmonkey | with some video files I have the gstreamer filter gets selected, but it gets stuck at the "preroll" part. no video gets played, and then I kill the process | 07:30 |
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| npm | i may have fixed that class of error through my resource policy code ( http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=29068&postcount=7 ) | 07:30 |
| flailingmonkey | I'll have to download your app :) | 07:31 |
| npm | at least for apps like meego-app-video which also are compliant | 07:31 |
| flailingmonkey | I'm also working on HDMI output, looking pretty good on that | 07:31 |
| npm | cool,. yeah it would be great if all that stuff was available and packaged... i'm doing my part and setting up to build qmltube rpms | 07:32 |
| flailingmonkey | mainly for EXOPC tablet | 07:32 |
| flailingmonkey | i've never done packaging, so it has been slow going with that | 07:32 |
| npm | yep... qmltube makes all that screen real-estate very nce | 07:33 |
| npm | nice | 07:33 |
| npm | given that the intel appup sdk fails badly on my linux desktop, i'm about to test my hack... where i interrupt it before it royally horks every thing , update to the latest SDK repos, run a script by hand that had a typo ... and let it rip... about to find out what happened... | 07:35 |
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| npm | oh happy day! | 07:38 |
| npm | :-) | 07:38 |
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| flailingmonkey | good luuuuck :p | 07:39 |
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| novice | Am trying to use QTMObility from QML , but am unable to play Video files using Video item on Hardware accelerated Meego Board | 08:19 |
| dm8tbr | and what hardware would that be? | 08:20 |
| novice | Intel | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: check if it plays with gstreamer | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | er, novice: | 08:21 |
| novice | Meego IVI board | 08:21 |
| * Stskeeps needs more coffee | 08:21 | |
| dm8tbr | :) | 08:21 |
| dm8tbr | yes, what Stskeeps says | 08:21 |
| npm | flailingmonkey: well that was easy....http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qmltube-0.0.1-1.i586.rpm (check back soon as it's a mid-hack version that leaves the full meego tablet ux decoration on top of the video... normally videos playback fullscreen | 08:22 |
| npm | ) | 08:22 |
| flailingmonkey | ooo nice :) | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | auke: is there something like a process watchdog in systemd? as in, socket protocol for ping/pong | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | auke: i'm working on a DSME-less battery management daemon for n900 and want to make it properly meego-ish so | 08:23 |
| npm | for some reason i had to add DEFINES += NO_JSDEBUGGER and DEFINES += NO_QMLOBSERVER to get it to compile... whereas with harmattan and using qt sdk 1.1.X, that is not the case | 08:24 |
| novice | From logs i could see pipeline is rolling but where its getting played not idea , | 08:24 |
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| novice | is there somekind of settings i need to do from QML to get video through video element | 08:25 |
| npm | yes . qtconfig is missing from meego | 08:25 |
| npm | the phonon panel lets you set varous things perhaps you need to make sure the right audio and video sink selected out of qt | 08:26 |
| npm | ^^^ novice | 08:26 |
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| npm | novice: i'd debug using 'gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=' first to debug. once that works, QML video elt should work too | 08:31 |
| novice | gst-launch-0.10 playbin2 uri=file:///xxxx.mp4 works fine , even from QtMObility layer it works fine , but from QML it cribs | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | novice: check bugs.meego.com if there's a open bug for the issue | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | think i've heard of a similar problem | 08:32 |
| npm | please post the bug report when you find it :-) ... us multimedians want to know | 08:33 |
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| novice | i searched a lot and found one bug related to this , https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16954 but it also got ignored | 08:36 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 16954 maj, Undecided, ---, xinyun.liu, VERI WORKSFORME, Video can't be rendered with QML video element. | 08:36 |
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| novice | MeeGoBot : :) | 08:37 |
| MeeGoBot | novice: Sorry, I've no idea what ')' might be. | 08:37 |
| flailingmonkey | question for anybody, how should I get a tiny patch applied to all the MeeGo kernels? :p the change is from the latest kernel: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next-history.git;a=commit;h=33f35f2a4ee3abfc0f87990058aa1b6b5092f725 | 08:41 |
| flailingmonkey | i'm not exactly sure how to go about it. there's a patch included from that link, but how do I get that pushed out to 1.2 kernels, etc... | 08:42 |
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| jarkko^ | pick that patch from the kernel tree, check out kernel from public obs, add the patch file project, do osc build --local-package | 08:49 |
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| jarkko^ | if the kernel builds, submit the patch to meego-kernel mailing list | 08:49 |
| jarkko^ | roughly that's the process | 08:50 |
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| flailingmonkey | jarkko^: thanks | 08:55 |
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| flailingmonkey | jarkko^: additional problem is that people have accepted CRs which "fix" the problem by including xen headers even though they aren't supposed to be included (because CONFIG_XEN wasn't set in kernel config). don't know how to say "hey, revert that hackish CR" | 08:56 |
| timoph | just say it :) | 08:59 |
| jarkko^ | flailingmonkey: oh yeah, that reminds me, you also need a bug to refer when you post the patch.. | 09:00 |
| flailingmonkey | there are a few bugs that all talk about it >_> | 09:00 |
| jarkko^ | ok you can use those :) | 09:00 |
| flailingmonkey | but most of them target different components | 09:00 |
| flailingmonkey | i don't know if i should make a new bug, mark all the others as dups | 09:01 |
| jarkko^ | i would first attach the patch one of those bugs and ask reporter (or someone else active in the bug) to test the patch | 09:01 |
| flailingmonkey | mhm | 09:01 |
| flailingmonkey | the other question is which repo/project to checkout if I want to have the patch applied/passed to every kernel... | 09:02 |
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| dm8tbr | flailingmonkey: start out with a kernel that you can test yourself | 09:08 |
| flailingmonkey | dm8tbr: i have a kernel checked out and tested. the patch is microscopic | 09:09 |
| flailingmonkey | literally moving one line | 09:09 |
| dm8tbr | ah, k | 09:10 |
| flailingmonkey | but it breaks builds of kernel modules if they include io.h | 09:10 |
| dm8tbr | uh | 09:10 |
| flailingmonkey | sorry | 09:10 |
| flailingmonkey | the bug | 09:10 |
| flailingmonkey | breaks builds | 09:10 |
| flailingmonkey | and the patch makes them work | 09:10 |
| flailingmonkey | :p | 09:10 |
| dm8tbr | that's beyond my level of experience then :) | 09:10 |
| dm8tbr | 2011/08/23 05:25 OK api.meego.com OBS_API Public API up | 09:11 |
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| arfoll | how can i import package groups into OBS so i can get a group.xml file in repodata? | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | patterns, i think | 10:19 |
| arfoll | what do you mean by patterns? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | osc meta pattern | 10:22 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, thanks i'll investigate there | 10:23 |
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| arfoll | theres only a meego-core pattern in meego obs, so i dont understand how the group.xml file is created | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | maybe when the release repo is generated then | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | with createrepo -g | 10:28 |
| arfoll | there is a bit here : http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance_software_delivery#Adding_group_to_a_private_repository | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | not sure, you'd have to ask rolla and anas for specifics | 10:28 |
| arfoll | I guess they must have the group.xml file generated from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/package-groups and then they do a createrepo -g before the release repo is generated | 10:29 |
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| vandenoever | qtcreator tells me there is no mad on the exopc that us running meego tablet, can this be activated? | 10:42 |
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| kuzak | vandenoever, install it with "zypper in mad-developer" | 10:52 |
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| vandenoever | kuzak: thanks, just tried and zypper is somehow broken. perhaps i should use a stable release | 10:53 |
| * vandenoever was running snapshot of meego | 10:53 | |
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| Kiranos | is there any announced meego-tablets except wetab official? | 11:02 |
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| Stskeeps | acer's? | 11:05 |
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| Kiranos | do you have a product name? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | iconia m500 wasn't it | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:09 |
| Kiranos | Acer Iconia M500 yes thanks, found it | 11:10 |
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| wazd | hello all | 11:33 |
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| kuzak | vandenoever, I had the same problem, just choose a snapshot that has the package repo too | 11:37 |
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| lcuk2 | morning | 11:53 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, is username "MeeGo" valid? (just joined) | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: there's a registered nick for it in case of abuse situations | 12:20 |
| lcuk | reasonable | 12:21 |
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| meegomy | i dint notice that irc not support spaces | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | no harm done :) | 12:24 |
| meegomy | i from asia region | 12:24 |
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| meegomy | rzr is planned for Meego meet up in Malaysia this september.. I trying to reach him. | 12:25 |
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| lcuk | When I see "Android running on XYZ device" is it a simple operation to do this, ie is android now that easy to port. Stskeeps would this reduced set of packages you have been looking at be usable as a similar ease of porting baseline? | 12:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: the problem is always the gles drivers | 12:28 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: oh, um, did I say I've met someone who might be interested in trying to interface rild to ofono? | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | w00t_: think so | 12:29 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, I notice that even simple xvideo seems to need the sgx binary too | 12:30 |
| lcuk | which seems odd but understandable if the omapfb requires it | 12:30 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, does android also require gles? | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | there's also a sw rendering thing | 12:31 |
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| lcuk | i thought the baseline surfaceflinger component was 2d | 12:32 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, would that allow the android stack to sit ontop of ofono? | 12:37 |
| w00t_ | other way around, the idea is to let ofono sit on top of an android cellular adaptation | 12:38 |
| lcuk | that is an interesting idea indeed | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: i wonder if you can 'unpack' a .so file somehow | 12:39 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: with what aim? | 12:39 |
| w00t_ | like, what do you want out of it | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | w00t_: well, to put proper system linker and re-link it etc | 12:40 |
| w00t_ | mm, so they really don't use ELF? | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | either that or static link rild for instance | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 12:41 |
| w00t_ | googling suggests they do.. | 12:42 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: wouldn't work | 12:42 |
| w00t_ | rild doesn't do most of the work | 12:42 |
| w00t_ | it talks to vendor plugins | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | yeah i know | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | but a staticically linked binary can obviously dlopen ..? | 12:42 |
| w00t_ | well, yes | 12:42 |
| w00t_ | but my point is, those vendor plugins will also be using the weird format, assuming they don't use ELF | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | right | 12:42 |
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| w00t_ | though... then you could hijack dlopen! | 12:43 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 12:43 |
| * w00t_ descends further into the realm of crazy hacks | 12:43 | |
| Myrtti | howdy folks | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | i'm thinking along lines of statically linking a wrapper in android fs that can dlopen the .so | 12:43 |
| w00t_ | I think we're more or less thinking the same thing | 12:43 |
| w00t_ | minus the android fs, in my case | 12:43 |
| w00t_ | I really want to find information on what they use if not ELF though | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's just hearsay | 12:44 |
| * w00t_ is trying to investigate | 12:44 | |
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| vandenoever | the meego tablet installer for the latest 1.2 snapshot hangs at installing the bootloader | 12:52 |
| kyb3R | hi, does anyone know the latest status on meego portal stats (mailing lists, forums, IRC chans) view? Can it be expected to be in use in a month, two months? Or is it there already. | 12:53 |
| vandenoever | after rebooting, no kernel is installed in the /boot folder and the grub entries are empty | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | kyb3R: dashboard? | 12:53 |
| kyb3R | Stskeeps: yep, that's the one! | 12:53 |
| kyb3R | :) | 12:53 |
| kyb3R | is dashboard up and running already somewhere...since all I can find is info about the plans (in wiki) | 12:55 |
| kyb3R | (after using google to find even that) | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | there was a presentation in SFO about it i think | 12:56 |
| kyb3R | yeah, there was | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | and then a conference afterwards.. dneary would normally know | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | or dawn | 12:56 |
| kyb3R | true, I remember that those two are involved in it | 12:57 |
| kyb3R | too pity I can't attend today's meeting to raise a polite question | 12:58 |
| kyb3R | or quey | 12:58 |
| kyb3R | *query | 12:58 |
| kyb3R | could throw email to both of them. | 12:59 |
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| lcuk | alterego, I need to organise continuation for daywork | 13:08 |
| * lcuk is little bit lost sheep atm | 13:09 | |
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| alterego | :) | 13:10 |
| alterego | What are you up to mostly at the moment lcuk ? | 13:10 |
| lcuk | n900-ce bugfixing/communication etc | 13:11 |
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| alterego | Cool | 13:11 |
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| lcuk | the CommunityEdition governance is being opened up | 13:13 |
| lcuk | and helping steer that towards a more general meego (intel tablet + handset) would be a great thing to progress | 13:13 |
| alterego | Indeed | 13:14 |
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| vandenoever | for some reason zypper is really slow to access the network in latest meego 1.2 image, while webbrowsing is ok | 13:18 |
| lcuk | vandenoever, there is a long standing bug relating to slowness | 13:19 |
| lcuk | clear your cache for it | 13:19 |
| vandenoever | lcuk: you mean 'zypper clean'? that is supposed to clean cache but gives no speed improvement | 13:20 |
| lcuk | vandenoever, bug 14219 may give some more hints | 13:21 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 maj, Low, 1.1.90.4, qiang.z.zhang, ASSI, Zypper slowness before each operation | 13:21 |
| lcuk | it has been looked over numerous times and on different systems it is sometimes reproducable othertimes not making diagnosis more tricky | 13:21 |
| vandenoever | i see, it is indeed longstanding | 13:22 |
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| vandenoever | lcuk: it's a different bug, my slowness is in network not general cpu use | 13:27 |
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| vandenoever | lcuk: it's more like bug 7550 | 13:33 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7550 nor, Medium, ---, yong.y.wang, REOP, There is great latencies when install via zypper that connection failed. | 13:33 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: you were interested in armv6 for raspberry pi? | 13:49 |
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| lcuk | iekku, re your last comment | 13:59 |
| lcuk | we are all trying to do our best | 13:59 |
| lcuk | hopefully it is enough | 13:59 |
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| iekku | lcuk, you guys are doing marvelous job | 14:01 |
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| lcuk | iekku, team effort | 14:04 |
| lcuk | hopefully we can bring the communityedition across onto the intel devices also | 14:05 |
| lcuk | that would be marvelous | 14:05 |
| lcuk | since the effort required should help all users of meego | 14:05 |
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| lcuk | osc commit -m "..." | 14:07 |
| lcuk | it is just like git :) | 14:07 |
| * lcuk now understands | 14:07 | |
| iekku | lcuk, i hope that too | 14:09 |
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| lcuk | iekku, having stable communityedition will allow best of open source on our devices | 14:13 |
| lcuk | and provide a strong support for meego in general | 14:13 |
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| iekku | lcuk, i totally agree | 14:13 |
| lcuk | iekku, now araujo's email | 14:13 |
| lcuk | do you see any alternative methods | 14:14 |
| iekku | lcuk, should we talk about that on #meego-arm? | 14:14 |
| lcuk | or does he speak sense | 14:14 |
| iekku | in a way he speaks, in a way i don't see the point | 14:14 |
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| iekku | if bug is already fixed, but fix isn't integrated to vanilla, what value does the bug status "new" or "reopened" gice? | 14:15 |
| iekku | give | 14:15 |
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| lcuk | iekku, well technically this problem can arise for even core components where a fix is applied on one ux and not the others yet | 14:16 |
| iekku | true | 14:16 |
| lcuk | it is a synchronisation issue | 14:16 |
| vpodzime | hello everybody, I have question: Does Meego (netbook if it makes a difference) use any tool for managing packages? I know it uses RPM packages, but does it use some yum/yast/urpmi package manager? | 14:16 |
| lcuk | as many things are | 14:16 |
| lcuk | vpodzime, zypper | 14:17 |
| lcuk | is the normal mechanism | 14:17 |
| vpodzime | lcuk: thanks :) | 14:17 |
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| iekku | lcuk, i have been asking multiple platform selection to bugzilla. also the platform verification is something i'd like to see there | 14:17 |
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| iekku | lcuk, but that doesn't really help in our current problem | 14:17 |
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| lcuk | iekku, without duplicating the bug for each ux I think any solution will have edge cases | 14:19 |
| lcuk | ie: if CommunityEdition had its own bugtracker | 14:19 |
| iekku | mmm | 14:19 |
| lcuk | then whilst more work would instantly clarify the issue | 14:19 |
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| lcuk | but that is messy | 14:19 |
| iekku | i think so too | 14:20 |
| CosmoHill | .o/ | 14:20 |
| lcuk | morning CosmoHill | 14:20 |
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| vandenoever | basically all network access from the commandline in meego tablet on exopc is really slow, but the browser speed is ok | 14:40 |
| w00t_ | vandenoever: network access to where? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | vandenoever: i really suspect it's proxy | 14:41 |
| vandenoever | w00t_: any http server | 14:41 |
| vandenoever | i have no proxy | 14:41 |
| w00t_ | vandenoever: what servers, though | 14:42 |
| w00t_ | I always have problems with zypper, but that's it | 14:42 |
| w00t_ | everything else not on meego.com is fine | 14:42 |
| vandenoever | w00t_: many normall web pages as well as meego download server | 14:42 |
| w00t_ | strange | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | vandenoever: yeah, but that the proxy discovery will delay things | 14:42 |
| w00t_ | haven't had problems anywhere else | 14:42 |
| w00t_ | try set up tsocks and tunnel through ssh somewhere else | 14:42 |
| w00t_ | fixed it for me | 14:42 |
| w00t_ | http://github.com/rburchell/tsocks contains a patched/working version that is fairly easy to build, you will need glibc-static on meego to build it though | 14:43 |
| vandenoever | Stskeeps: how does it try to discover proxy? it seems that this is not the real problem, since even when connection is established throughput is ~1K/s and then slows to a halt | 14:44 |
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| Stskeeps | vandenoever: pacrunner or something | 14:44 |
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| w00t_ | vandenoever: exactly the problem i had - give tsocks a try if you can't figure it out | 14:47 |
| vandenoever | w00t_: it sounds like a strange hack to use proxy though, the machine can go on the network, http works fine from the UI but from cmdline it does not | 14:49 |
| w00t_ | vandenoever: I gave up trying to figure it out, tbh | 14:49 |
| w00t_ | ;) | 14:50 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, yes - seems like a cool little board | 14:57 |
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| arfoll | just reading your mail now | 14:58 |
| CosmoHill | arfoll: should you be able to access his email? :p | 14:59 |
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| arfoll | CosmoHill: I'm hax0r | 15:00 |
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| CosmoHill | http://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=489200&postcount=11 | 15:07 |
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| arfoll | Stskeeps, so how far are meego armv6 builds? is there a way I could help? | 15:14 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: i'm currently staging armv7l and armv7hl of my minimal meego core, from those we can spawn the armv6vl and armv6vhl builds (softfp and hardfp) | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | arfoll: right now there's nothing much to do but to wait for things to build :> | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | after that there's probably patching etc | 15:16 |
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| Termana | morning | 15:17 |
| arfoll | Stskeeps, ok cool. the boot on rasbperry pi sounds weird, but i hope the firmware and drivers don't cause too much trouble - any idea if the binaries from broadcom will work in hardfp? | 15:17 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: hardfp rarely affects anything in actual code except if you do weird stuff like libffi :) | 15:18 |
| arfoll | theres always one or two causing trouble... | 15:19 |
| Stskeeps | or idiots hardcoding CFLAGS | 15:20 |
| arfoll | ehehe xbmc guys refused my patches for CFLAGS stuff :-( | 15:21 |
| arfoll | saying it made compilation too complicated | 15:21 |
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| araujo | morning | 15:22 |
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| berndhs | morning | 15:26 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Is there any script-based way to bring up WiFi using connman? I tried using iwconfig but setting the key that way doesn't seem to work. | 16:37 |
| lcuk | Alison_Chaiken, lardman uses command line to get his wiki working | 16:37 |
| lcuk | perhaps he will be of assistance | 16:37 |
| lcuk | wifi ^ | 16:37 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | Ubuntu apparently has cmcc, but meego no? | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Alison_Chaiken: connman-tests , /usr/lib/connman/tests/connect-service or something | 16:39 |
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| An_Ony_Moose | I'm trying to install the netbook version of meego in a VM (virtualbox) so I can take a look at it, but it gets stuck at a text terminal that occasionally outputs some information about a process called meego-power-ico. I've managed to log in as root. Where should I look for errors? | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | syslog maybe? | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | ie, var/log/messages | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it's the power icon that crashes | 16:40 |
| An_Ony_Moose | Stskeeps: ok, I'll take a look | 16:40 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Thanks Stskeeps, I'll have a look. Reading the source would seem to be best route here, but I'm never sure where to find source for what GUIs do. | 16:40 |
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| An_Ony_Moose | it also keeps switching from tty1 to tty2 without me pressing ctrl-alt-f2. Can anyone explain this? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | An_Ony_Moose: basically i'm not sure virtualbox is able to run netbook as netbook requires proper 3d accelration | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | you might be seeing the UI crash and restart | 16:42 |
| An_Ony_Moose | ah yes | 16:42 |
| An_Ony_Moose | *ERROR* drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module! | 16:43 |
| An_Ony_Moose | that could be related, no? | 16:43 |
| dm8tbr | you can sort of make it work with 3D | 16:44 |
| dm8tbr | last time I tried it it was horribly unstable though | 16:44 |
| dm8tbr | that was half a year ago though | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | hm, didn't know that nvidia didn't provide libEGL/GLESv2 interfaces | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | ie, on desktop | 16:44 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, maybe you know that | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | what was that EGL/GLESv2 passthrough layer? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | to libEGL | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | e,r, GL | 16:46 |
| ScriptRipper | is there a site admin list for MeeGo OBS ? | 16:46 |
| arfoll | wouldnt libEGL/GLESv2 be avialable on nvidia opengl4 cards? | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: like who admins it? i think adam gretzi and anas and that's about it | 16:46 |
| Stskeeps | arfoll: not sure, does linux drivers contain libegl? | 16:47 |
| arfoll | don't know, havent got an nvidia card aroudn and not a new gl4 one | 16:47 |
| ScriptRipper | is adam gretzi also at Intel ? | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: yes | 16:47 |
| ScriptRipper | do you think I write them an e-mail ? | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: well, if you have something to say :) | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | ScriptRipper, ScriptRipper: Adam Gretzinger is his full name, but that doesn't fit in an irc nick :) | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: bugzilla is typically better if it's like bugs | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ah :P | 16:48 |
| ScriptRipper | yes, some of the source pkgs of MeeGo 1.2.0 oss cannot be checked out | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i have a bug of that, hang on | 16:48 |
| ScriptRipper | I get an OBS error | 16:48 |
| X-Fade | But yeah, filing a bug it probably the best way to report an issue. | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: bug 22661 | 16:49 |
| X-Fade | *is | 16:49 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22661 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, meego-release in MeeGo:1.2.0:oss is unretrievable, | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: you can fetch the revision from MeeGo:1.2:oss if you really need to, i think | 16:49 |
| ScriptRipper | the bad thing is that this has to do with an OBS bug | 16:49 |
| ScriptRipper | that I had fixed | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to add information in the bug | 16:49 |
| An_Ony_Moose | uuugh.. How do I start a terminal on a tty again? | 16:50 |
| ScriptRipper | yep, that is the no shared trees bug | 16:50 |
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| ScriptRipper | I had found it months ago and mls and me had fixed it month ago | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's to deal with the old OBS version on build.meego.com | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | is there any way to query OBS version across wire btw? | 16:52 |
| ScriptRipper | MeeGo OBS is 2.1, right ? | 16:52 |
| ScriptRipper | query OBS version is | 16:52 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not sure but rumours say it's 2.1 | 16:53 |
| ScriptRipper | osc -H -A https://api.meego.com co bla | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:53 |
| ScriptRipper | returns a long verbose bla | 16:53 |
| ScriptRipper | look at the field | 16:54 |
| ScriptRipper | header: X-Opensuse-APIVersion: | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | header: X-Opensuse-APIVersion: 2.1.0 | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | that's handy | 16:54 |
| ScriptRipper | yep | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: ^ | 16:54 |
| An_Ony_Moose | ok, so there's no way of trying out meego without installing it on a physical machine? | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | An_Ony_Moose: there's a QEMU thing | 16:54 |
| X-Fade | Stskeeps: Yeah, but that is not really useful. As you need the specific version. | 16:55 |
| ScriptRipper | obviously, if the admin does not change the string when he installs | 16:55 |
| An_Ony_Moose | Stskeeps: it works in QEMU? | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | An_Ony_Moose: SDK has one | 16:55 |
| ScriptRipper | then you dont see the exact version of OBS | 16:55 |
| An_Ony_Moose | ah ok | 16:55 |
| An_Ony_Moose | I'll take a look, thanks | 16:55 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, they do even use the old lighttpd stuff, uff | 16:57 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, I cannot log into MeeGo Bugzilla, strange | 17:03 |
| ScriptRipper | I can of course login into meego.com and MeeGo OBS | 17:03 |
| ScriptRipper | what is the trick ? | 17:03 |
| timoph | try logging out from any other meego things and then logging in again | 17:03 |
| timoph | the single signon is a bit buggy | 17:04 |
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| ScriptRipper | does not work | 17:05 |
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| ScriptRipper | its just bugzilla login | 17:05 |
| timoph | weird | 17:06 |
| timoph | I could login just fine | 17:06 |
| ScriptRipper | sure, me too, but not on bugzilla :D | 17:06 |
| timoph | :) | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | using the meego login there or email? | 17:07 |
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| ScriptRipper | in any case, the workaround for accessing sources is then to download the .src.rpm from the repo server | 17:13 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, or cheat and check it out from where it was copyproject'ed from | 17:13 |
| ScriptRipper | because the backend of OBS is not affected by the bug, only API | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | i found it in meego:1.2:oss | 17:13 |
| ScriptRipper | and so the OBS backend can still access and build the package | 17:14 |
| ScriptRipper | it happens when you have links or project links | 17:14 |
| ScriptRipper | and was a bug in the access control | 17:14 |
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| ScriptRipper | in the backend | 17:14 |
| ScriptRipper | seems to be still in OBS 2.1 | 17:15 |
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| ScriptRipper | get time that build.meego.com is updated to OBS 2.3 | 17:15 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i've submitted a bunch of patches to meego trunk:testing (see meego-commits) that decreases load of rebuilds quite a lot | 17:16 |
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| ScriptRipper | dependencies ? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | there's some few issues. for instance, OBS/build-compare considers packages built on two seperate workers as different | 17:17 |
| ScriptRipper | do we still keep track of armv7el builds somewhere in MeeGo OBS ? | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | because of disturl difference | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | no, but the code should still work | 17:17 |
| Stskeeps | i assume you're doing the GENIVI softfp rebuild :) | 17:17 |
| ScriptRipper | yes, its currently working | 17:18 |
| ScriptRipper | did you fix build compare though ? | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i sent a patch | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | not accepted et | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | yet | 17:18 |
| ScriptRipper | good | 17:18 |
| ScriptRipper | I also ran into this | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | then on top of that there's perl that adds timestamps to it's builds, elfutils has a time stamp patch that is there but not enabled, etc | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | as well as finding out coreutils-x86 and such doesn't actually work | 17:19 |
| ScriptRipper | I had also found a weird version dependency in cross-* in binutils | 17:19 |
| Stskeeps | (some do, some don't) | 17:19 |
| ScriptRipper | coreutils-x86 is not installed ? | 17:19 |
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| ScriptRipper | really | 17:19 |
| ScriptRipper | ARM version stays, right ? | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | it's installed but because it goes coreutils -> coreutils-x86 -> coreutils -> coreutils-x86 in install phase, the ARM version is the one that stays :) | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | cos of .orig-arm | 17:20 |
| ScriptRipper | thats a problem with current prjconf | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | i also sent a patch for that | 17:20 |
| ScriptRipper | yes, I remember discussing this with you a while ago | 17:20 |
| ScriptRipper | also, cross gcc seems to still have some ARM binary code inside | 17:21 |
| yoms | hi all, i trying to develop an application for meego 1.2 on exopc, but when Qtcreator launch the process an black screen appear on the tablet | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | so hopefully 1.3 should be the fastest to rebuild ever, still finding things i can improve | 17:21 |
| ScriptRipper | did you have that also on your list ? | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | arm binary code inside? that makes sense for some things? | 17:21 |
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| ScriptRipper | I mean some ARM binaries remaining in cross comp | 17:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:22 |
| ScriptRipper | that is I think bug | 17:22 |
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| ScriptRipper | collect and such | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | that might be | 17:22 |
| ScriptRipper | when cross comp is generated | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't actually use the lib/gcc ones | 17:22 |
| ScriptRipper | but ? | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | try to rm -rf the directory, compiles work still :) | 17:22 |
| ScriptRipper | which package instead ? | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | when running on ARM, it has sysroot=/ | 17:23 |
| ScriptRipper | sure | 17:23 |
| ScriptRipper | I mean which collect is run from which package instead | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | that is a very good question :) | 17:23 |
| Stskeeps | didn't we discuss this problem once? | 17:24 |
| ScriptRipper | I had catched it but at runtime to run a ARM binary | 17:24 |
| ScriptRipper | there | 17:24 |
| ScriptRipper | so I am pretty sure there is a problem | 17:24 |
| ScriptRipper | deleting it might cause it to run another binary | 17:24 |
| ScriptRipper | for collect | 17:24 |
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| ScriptRipper | I found it when benchmarking ARM builds | 17:25 |
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| ScriptRipper | I can check it and sent you e-mail if you like | 17:25 |
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| ScriptRipper | where do you have the build compare patch ? | 17:27 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps still there ? | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: meego-commits mailing list archive should have them :) | 17:28 |
| ScriptRipper | good | 17:28 |
| ScriptRipper | ah, its 2 lines, I thought its one line to change in build compare :D | 17:30 |
| arfoll | chouchoune, where is the fr meego community? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | #meego-fr and such | 17:30 |
| the-boss | Stskeeps: Error: "meego-fr" is not a valid command. | 17:30 |
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| arfoll | just what i was looking for, | 17:31 |
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| chouchoune | arfoll: that's it | 17:32 |
| chouchoune | arfoll: there is a meetup planned in september in Paris too | 17:33 |
| chouchoune | and things will get done near Nice too | 17:33 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps is that fix not in OBS upstream repo for build compare ? | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: don't think so | 17:33 |
| arfoll | cool, i might hang around the -fr stuff | 17:33 |
| chouchoune | arfoll: #meego-fr and http://wiki.meego-fr.org | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: might be happening in openSUSE too | 17:33 |
| ScriptRipper | because then its worth to e-mail it also to adrian | 17:34 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, it is kinda silly since all machines would probably generate same chroot | 17:34 |
| ScriptRipper | they have to, anything else would be a OBS bug | 17:35 |
| ScriptRipper | I thought OBS name in BSConfig would handle all correctly, incl. build compare | 17:35 |
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| ScriptRipper | but there is bugs where you seek them :D | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | might be | 17:35 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, do you still build armv7el binaries for MeeGo Trunk oss somewhere ? | 17:45 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: no, it's disabled | 17:46 |
| ScriptRipper | does the build compare fix cause at least one complete rebuild ? | 17:46 |
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| airon | Hey guy's having a slight problem with Meego on Asus EEE PC, I need to get defaltut factiry settings back. Does anybody has a clue how to do it? wiki 6 help files did'nt help much | 18:17 |
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| lcuk | airon, you could download and reflash usb image | 18:18 |
| lcuk | that is the most complete method I know, not even sure if there is any other | 18:18 |
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| airon | Okey, i thought that also, | 18:18 |
| airon | thanks mate. | 18:19 |
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| yoms | hi all, i trying to develop an application for meego 1.2 on exopc, but when Qtcreator launch the process an black screen appear on the tablet | 18:38 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps are you sure your patch works as expected | 18:39 |
| ScriptRipper | for build compare | 18:39 |
| ScriptRipper | because if you set in OBS in BSConfig | 18:40 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: it seems to do the trick for me | 18:40 |
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| ScriptRipper | our $obsname = 'your own OBS name'; # default is $hostname; will use worker hostname and confuse build-compare | 18:41 |
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| ScriptRipper | then it does not happen what you see | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 18:41 |
| ScriptRipper | that worker name is used | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but it seems build.meego.com doesn't know this :) | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | or i didn't either | 18:42 |
| ScriptRipper | I thought they setup $obsname | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, this happened on my own OBS which is appliance-based | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | either way, in case it's same hostname, the sed is a null-op in the big picture | 18:43 |
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| ScriptRipper | I thought this is a feature, so the $obsname used in BSConfig ends up in the packages | 18:46 |
| ScriptRipper | so you see where the packages were build | 18:46 |
| ScriptRipper | if $obsname = changes, the pkgs should be rebuild | 18:49 |
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| ScriptRipper | so pls do not apply this change | 19:00 |
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| vandenoever | qtcreator from meego sdk creates arm rpm files, but i need them for exopc, where can i configure the targed device architecture? | 19:05 |
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| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: that makes sense | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | ScriptRipper: i'll revoke my patch | 19:12 |
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| npm | re: [04:41] <vandenoever> basically all network access from the commandline in meego tablet on exopc is really slow, but the browser speed is ok ---> IMHO, it has a lot to do with Tablet-UX GUI hogging lots of CPU cycles at high-priority, leaving very little CPU for the wireless connection | 19:15 |
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| npm | vandenoever: if you have a major update, from a remote terminal do 'sudo init 3' and when you're all done, 'sudo init 5' :-) | 19:16 |
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| npm | you'll notice a remarkable increase in networking speed | 19:16 |
| npm | and overall the wireless in x86 meego is way to slow and unreliable... i'm happy my lenovo s10-3t has an ethernet port -- much faster performance | 19:17 |
| npm | s/to/too | 19:17 |
| lcuk | afternoon npm \o | 19:18 |
| npm | (2) vandenoever: go to qtcreator 'Tools->Options->Maemo' (or "Linux" if you're using 2.3 RC version :-) ) | 19:19 |
| npm | lcuk: good morngin :-) | 19:19 |
| npm | that's why i can't spel | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | X-Fade: you probably want to set $obsname in COBS to some other name in BSConfig.pm in order to save on build power :) | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: some other name than $hostname | 19:21 |
| npm | lcuk: thanks for the mail... let me know when you got RPM's for that massive python visualization program from the article | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | X-Fade: basically build-compare screws up cos of that and thinks you're building two packages on two different OBSes | 19:22 |
| javispedro | might that explain why when I upload SDL I see it being built 3 or 4 times on different vms? | 19:23 |
| npm | lcuk: speaking of visualization of data in a web-mashupy way, check out the qtzibit-*.png entries in http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/ ... i should have x86 rpm in that dir shortly, otherwise qtzibit<latest>.deb for harmattan | 19:23 |
| lcuk | npm \o no prob - as for building it for meego it is a heavyweight package and I can barely get my small lib built | 19:24 |
| npm | well no hurry. i figure i might have bandwidth for it by december or so :-) | 19:24 |
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| lcuk | javispedro, so far today 23 revisions of tweaks to even attempt to get library built | 19:25 |
| * lcuk going blind | 19:25 | |
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| javispedro | lcuk: in OBS you mean? | 19:25 |
| lcuk | yeah | 19:25 |
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| lcuk | works happily on device with make; sudo make install ;) | 19:26 |
| javispedro | I've had to do a few tries too... but all of them my fault so far | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | this is packaging issues | 19:26 |
| npm | lcuk and alas, meego-lem can't help: package '*vistra*' not found. (trying to match 'vistrails' | 19:26 |
| lcuk | with a new .spec file | 19:26 |
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| npm | ) | 19:26 |
| lcuk | it seems i have overwhelming support to build the qt ovi version of the calendar | 19:27 |
| lcuk | closely followed by the intel appup one | 19:27 |
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| * lcuk would like to get the open source version working first | 19:27 | |
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| npm | lcuk: i employed a hybrid/hack method with the appup sdk for linux (which doesn't work at all, thus i was forced to hack it)... at the first dialog of failure update /etc/yum.repos.d/meego-sdk.repo to baseurl=http://download.meego.com/live/Tools:/SDK:/Host/<OS>/ (see http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2-preview http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2011-February/001041.html http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_ | 19:31 |
| npm | SDK_for_Linux#Removing_components http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Tutorials/Add_a_new_target for hints) | 19:31 |
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| npm | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Removing_components | 19:31 |
| lcuk | is appup ok with components that only work on linux? | 19:32 |
| npm | it's sort of misnamed. | 19:32 |
| npm | it's actually just the meego sdk with an appup front end installer that's a little broken | 19:32 |
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| npm | i ended up doing a lot from the commandline, and seeing what the problems were, by doing all the repo whackery and updating behind the installer's back... so that when it came back, it thought it was installing the may 17th broken alpha, but was actually installing the latest release, which seems to work, modulo having qtcreator crash on me a lot :-( | 19:34 |
| lcuk | boo | 19:35 |
| npm | actually, any expects here know the commandline equivalent for qtcreator's "deploy to device" ... i guess i could just go back and look at all the 'mad-admin' etc way of doing stuff | 19:35 |
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| lcuk | bnpm venemo is somewhat of expert in such things | 19:35 |
| lcuk | but afaik he is holidying | 19:36 |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps: I have put your "*-x86" fix non working accelerators into my actual MeeGo 1.2.0 rebuild | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:09 |
| ScriptRipper | works fine : | 20:09 |
| ScriptRipper | :) | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it should | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | i also have grep-x86 and pcre-x86 in queue | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | that helps in some places | 20:09 |
| ScriptRipper | what was the reason, i dont remember | 20:10 |
| ScriptRipper | why the speed rpm was revoked ? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | it wasn't | 20:10 |
| ScriptRipper | is it in 1.2 ? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:10 |
| ScriptRipper | uups, let me check prjconf again | 20:10 |
| ScriptRipper | ok, now I see it | 20:11 |
| ScriptRipper | I was looking for some %define speedrpm | 20:12 |
| ScriptRipper | but I think that got deleted | 20:12 |
| ScriptRipper | now I see it | 20:12 |
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| Skareb | hi guys | 21:17 |
| Skareb | could somebody help me? | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | you can try to ask something :) | 21:18 |
| Skareb | i'd like to ask you :) | 21:19 |
| Skareb | okay? | 21:19 |
| Myrtti | that's two questions asked | 21:19 |
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| Skareb | i installed a meego on asus 1215n | 21:22 |
| Skareb | and after reboot | 21:22 |
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| Skareb | the system write that 2.949320 panic occured | 21:22 |
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| Skareb | but from USB key the Meegoo runned correctly | 21:22 |
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| Skareb | who culd help for me? | 21:24 |
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| lcuk | Skareb, did you try just booting up from the usb key first? | 21:25 |
| lcuk | that way you can determine whether your system is happy to use meego | 21:26 |
| lcuk | infact, you could test that now | 21:26 |
| Skareb | yes i tried bott from usb | 21:26 |
| Skareb | its okay | 21:26 |
| lcuk | try installing it again perhaps or rebooting? | 21:27 |
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| Skareb | but boot from the HDD is not work, the system cannot step up | 21:27 |
| Skareb | yes i tried | 21:27 |
| Skareb | but if i install meego 1.0 it can boot from HDD without problem | 21:28 |
| Skareb | but in megoo 1.0 i acnt connect ot net cause it does not see wifi and lan card | 21:28 |
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| Skareb | please anybody | 21:33 |
| Stskeeps | Skareb: forum.meego.com might work | 21:33 |
| * CosmoHill would recommend updating to MeeGo 1.2 | 21:33 | |
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| Skareb | meego 1.2 does the same | 21:34 |
| Skareb | and meego's forum cant help me | 21:34 |
| Skareb | boys | 21:36 |
| Skareb | please | 21:36 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't know sorry, it might be that meego doesn't agree with your system | 21:36 |
| Skareb | i tried find the solution from 2 days | 21:36 |
| Skareb | could i download other meego version fron another place? | 21:37 |
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| Stskeeps | nop, meego.com is the places to go | 21:37 |
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| Skareb | how can i install a tar.gz file? | 21:46 |
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| Skareb | guys | 21:49 |
| Skareb | please one more help | 21:50 |
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| Stskeeps | read up on basic unix commands, that's the way to deal with tar.gz files | 21:50 |
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| * lcuk offers lbt a cup of tea | 22:35 | |
| lbt | thanks mate | 22:36 |
| lcuk | lbt we had a good discussion today about the points araujo brought up regarding bug states | 22:37 |
| lbt | links? | 22:38 |
| lcuk | there should me a mail tomorrow from iekku I believe | 22:38 |
| lbt | I was just reading the CO backlog | 22:38 |
| lcuk | yeah it has been quite active on number of directions | 22:38 |
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| lbt | it's a shame it hits one of the 2 5hr windows per fortnight when I'm offline | 22:38 |
| lbt | well, if iekku says it, it must be right | 22:39 |
| lcuk | cannot be helped really | 22:39 |
| lcuk | yeah | 22:39 |
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| lcuk | lbt the obs has had a bit of a workout from me today | 22:40 |
| lcuk | i have sent package round to revision 45 | 22:40 |
| lbt | good - it's a bad, lazy system!!! | 22:40 |
| lcuk | well it still doesn't work | 22:40 |
| lcuk | and i went outside smoking instead | 22:40 |
| lcuk | understanding more of rpm and spec packaging though | 22:41 |
| lcuk | :) | 22:41 |
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| iekku | who what when? | 22:55 |
| iekku | lbt, i will send a mail tomorrow like lcuk said | 22:56 |
| CosmoHill | everybody, anywhere, any time | 22:56 |
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| lbt | iekku: I'll keep an eye out | 22:57 |
| iekku | :) | 22:57 |
| iekku | hope we get a good conversation and understanding | 22:57 |
| iekku | other thing we need to think is the future of the CE reporting | 22:58 |
| lbt | in what sense reporting? | 22:58 |
| iekku | but that's in the future | 22:58 |
| lbt | release reporting? | 22:58 |
| iekku | lbt, if there's need to make new bugzilla components etc | 22:58 |
| lbt | *nod* | 22:58 |
| iekku | also the question about the handset arm future... | 22:59 |
| * lbt should go look at the log | 22:59 | |
| iekku | :) | 23:00 |
| iekku | i should go to sleep, 7hours and need to wake up | 23:00 |
| iekku | and there's plenty of important tasks to do tomorrow | 23:00 |
| lbt | paf ...1am bed, 5am -> airport :) | 23:00 |
| lbt | though I do not recommend that :) | 23:00 |
| lbt | 'night :) | 23:01 |
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| iekku | lbt, you can sleep on plane, but can't sleep at work ;) | 23:02 |
| lbt | wanna bet? | 23:03 |
| * lbt recalls a conference call in BT a while back.... | 23:03 | |
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