IRC log of #meego for Tuesday, 2011-08-23

npmhttp://www.engadget.com/2011/08/22/microsoft-woos-webos-developers-with-free-phones-training/00:00
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: Or is it *Pier* 1 ??00:15
* gabrbedd can't spell00:15
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* CosmoHill can't spell either00:15
gabrbeddCosmoHill: IIRC it's a line from the movie.  The store is a place for women to go and get trendy furnature a pillows for your couch.00:15
gabrbedds/e a p/e and p/00:16
infobotgabrbedd meant: CosmoHill: IIRC it's a line from the movie.  The store is a place for women to go and get trendy furnature and pillows for your couch.00:16
CosmoHillcouch = sofa right?00:16
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CosmoHillgood good00:16
* CosmoHill can't read either00:16
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CosmoHillwhat does "tri-state" mean?00:28
thiagoit has three states, instead of two00:29
IanWizard-CloudCosmoHill: it's a an area, with three states in it, like a corner where three states come together.00:30
IanWizard-CloudCosmoHill: (I'm refering to it out of context, don't think that this is anything relevant to whatever you are doing.)00:30
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CosmoHillyeah the tri-state area00:31
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: Aren't you a little /young/ to be asking about tri-state areas?00:46
CosmoHillmaybe00:46
CosmoHillI'd give you a yes / no but I don't know what it is00:46
thiagoa tri-state gate has three states: on (true), off (false), disabled00:46
thiagoa tri-state check-box usually has enabled, disabled, indeterminate00:47
thiagothe indeterminate state is usually used to indicate that some of the sub-options are enabled and some are disabled00:47
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: Before I go on... are we talking about Phineas and Ferb, or not?00:48
* CosmoHill stares blankly00:49
CosmoHilllets stop here00:49
gabrbeddCosmoHill: Um... what context did you hear it?00:50
CosmoHillblues brothers00:53
CosmoHillthe nazis want to search the tri-state area00:53
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: In the United States, where 3 states meet... if there is a major city in that area it is common for it to be referred to as "the tri-state area"00:55
CosmoHillah okay, thanks00:55
gabrbeddCosmoHill: Blues Brothers takes place in Chicago, IL -- which is near Illinois, Wisconsin, and Indiana.00:56
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* pixelgeek1 chuckling at the culture gap00:57
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gabrbeddCosmoHill: There is a "tri-state area" around New York also... including the State of New York, New Jersey, and (I think) Pennsylvania.00:57
gabrbeddpixelgeek1: ha!  I was just thinking about you.  Because these days, I keep hearing Dr. Doofenshmirtz scheming to control "...the entire Tri-State Area!"00:59
pixelgeek1:)00:59
pixelgeek1With his new Evilinator...00:59
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gabrbedd:-)01:01
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CosmoHillhehe01:23
CosmoHillwatching the 2nd car chase in blues brothers and there are fag butts rolling about on the dash as they turn01:23
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lcukCosmoHill, filmed nowadays, they would be e-cigs :P01:25
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CosmoHilloh no, smoking is bad01:25
CosmoHillit would be chewing gum01:25
* lcuk nods01:25
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CosmoHillprobably a more enviorment car too01:26
lcukCosmoHill, when does your next uni year start01:27
CosmoHilllcuk: oh I finished for good01:27
lcuktracy has informed me (via the calendar) that jake goes back on 7th sept01:27
CosmoHilland I currently have no intention of doing a PHD or masters01:27
lcukahh01:27
lcukI picked up prospectus for local college01:28
CosmoHillI have the choice of rushing the desition and doing a PHD on something or doing it later and getting charged 3 times as much01:28
lcukif I can sort out the daytimes for next phase, I will do an evening course01:28
* lcuk looking at business courses :)01:30
* CosmoHill really should be looking for jobs but I just want to spend time with my friends01:30
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lcukI am hoping to continue helping build the CommunityEdition01:31
lcukCosmoHill, http://liqbase.net/wallcalendar_interest.php01:31
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lcukmaking that into professional build would be exciting and actually having it working happily in meego tablet and handset is my desire01:32
* lcuk strongly wants to sort out bug 13084 though which prevents it from working properly01:32
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, liquid, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink01:32
javispedrolcuk: you have that sample app ? ;)01:33
lcukgood point javispedro !01:33
lcukyou fill in the interest info and I will get you a testcase01:33
lcuksidetracked with other -ce work01:34
javispedroI just would like to have a xv skeleton that operts the port and renders some pattern so that the bug is visible01:34
javispedros/operts/opens01:34
lcukyeah it needs packaging though I expect01:34
javispedronah, don't worry about that01:34
javispedroit's to do experiments mostly01:35
lcukok when I get back from Finns 8 week tests tomorrow I will do it01:35
javispedrobut, packaging could help other people that want to reproduce though!01:35
lcuki did once have one01:35
javispedrono hurries :)01:36
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lcukwell the sooner I get it to you, the sooner that bug might be fixed01:36
lcukso I have made a note for the morning01:36
javispedrodunno if I'll be able to find it01:38
javispedrobut I want to try01:38
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lcukthanks javispedro :)01:39
lcuknow where did I put that partial one I started..01:39
* CosmoHill could do with some programming tasks01:45
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lcukCosmoHill, which language/framework/OS?01:46
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CosmoHillC / C++, maybe with MPI or html / php / sql01:46
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CosmoHillI do also know AS3 and java01:48
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CosmoHilllcuk: http://theoatmeal.com/blog/handwriting01:49
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lcukCosmoHill, :( shocking01:55
lcukCosmoHill, handwriting is all about practice01:55
lcukjust like everything else01:55
CosmoHill1. it's not my hand writing01:55
lcukthe more you do it, the better you are01:56
lcukI know01:56
CosmoHill2. I can't keep the same style on one page, let alone multiple documents01:56
CosmoHill3. I'd like a fountain pen01:56
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javispedrothat's weird01:58
javispedroduring elementary my handwriting was cursive, it started to drop in quality already in middle school though, before the introduction of the keyboard.01:58
lcukwriting on my ideapad01:59
lcuki use chalkboard writing01:59
lcukproper full hand gestures01:59
lcukon my n900 and with pen it is delicate finger motions01:59
javispedroyou can write on the ideapad? :)01:59
lcuksure javispedro01:59
lcuki do it all the time01:59
CosmoHillI can write on my powerbook (with felt tip pens)02:00
lcukjavispedro, http://liqbase.net/a/liq.20110823_000108.liqsketchedit_classic.scr.png02:00
lcukit is the machine we keep in the kitchen02:00
lcuktracy spent time tonight filling in the calendar for next few weeks :)02:01
javispedroit's horrible here02:01
lcukwas great to see the entries appear on the handset :)02:01
javispedroI bought that livescribe pen because writing on the n950 is rather horrible02:01
javispedroas was on the ideapad02:01
javispedromaybe the screen senses I hate capacitive and reduces its accuracy ;)02:02
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lcukjavispedro, perfectly usable for calendar and general notes02:03
lcukI am hoping the new Intel ultrabooks have distributor who is making dual format unit02:03
lcuka nice 10" real writing device would be win02:03
lcukall the better if it is intel02:04
lcukthis ideapad battery lasts forfrikkinages02:04
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lcukjavispedro, http://www.n-trig.com/Content.aspx?Page=DualModeTechnology02:05
CosmoHillomg, you kill dawn foster02:05
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javispedropoor dawn02:05
CosmoHillmy god he's a madman02:05
lcukcoincidence i hope02:05
berndhstell it to the jury man02:06
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javispedroprobably you crashed his computer, and he was in the middle of the importantest powerpoint slide ever02:06
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lcukjavispedro, this testcase needs a pile of things02:08
lcuki have been peeking whilst talking02:08
lcukand now I remember why I didn't make one before02:08
lcukbut I will get on it tomorrow02:08
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javispedroif you think it'll be too large02:09
javispedrolcuk: tell me before starting and I'll just get liqbase02:09
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lcukjavispedro, I will see tomorrow, and if it will be, will just get libliqbase building in the obs02:10
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lcukthat will be the easier I think02:11
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CosmoHilloh shit02:24
specialCosmoHill: freenode was using that :|02:24
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javispedrocan you stop destroying the internet please. thank you.02:28
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CosmoHillthere, fixed02:31
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befordhello02:33
npmis there a newer version of meego-sdk-installer-online-20110519 --?? appup sdk doesn't work on my desktop02:33
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berndhsc.obs api is down ? can't be, it's a weekday03:41
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javispedroberndhs: someone probably told the touchpad wannabes there was an interesting deal there04:05
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berndhssort of peculiara the the build worker builds a database of manual pages04:13
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flailingmonkeyanyone know what neils mayer's nick is?05:27
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berndhsnpm ?05:29
flailingmonkeyberndhs: thanks :) just found the same info from meego.com user search05:30
flailingmonkeynpm: ping05:30
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iekkumorning06:39
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npmflailingmonkey: eep!07:12
flailingmonkeynpm: i saw you found my crystalHD instructions on the wiki helpful :)07:12
npmindeed!07:12
npmthanks!07:12
flailingmonkeynpm: I was all like "wait, did someone use my instructions? they diiiid!"07:12
flailingmonkey:)07:12
flailingmonkeynpm: also I know exactly what is up with the io.h and xen headers crap07:13
flailingmonkeynpm: if you're curious07:13
npmcool. whazzat?07:13
npmi was in "peephole compilation" mode and just making stuff work07:13
npmand since all i had to do is "zypper in xen-devel" and meego-lem took care of the rest... and the compile worked, that was about all i wanted to know07:14
flailingmonkeyso whoever put in the code in io.h which uses the xen headers07:14
flailingmonkeyupstream kernel i mean, they put the actual code in an #ifdef CONFIG_XEN block07:15
flailingmonkeyBUT, they put the #include at the top, outside the block07:15
npmheh07:15
flailingmonkeyso it is always included even when CONFIG_XEN is not set07:15
flailingmonkeyit was only fixed in the very latest upstream kernel07:15
npmi see... i guess i wasn't peepholing hard enough07:15
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flailingmonkeyfix is simple, move that one include line into the ifdef block :p07:16
flailingmonkeyor grab the xen header. but it just isn't supposed to be in the kernel-headers (or meego calls that kernel-devel) if CONFIG_XEN isn't set07:16
flailingmonkeygit.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next-history.git;a=commit;h=33f35f2a4ee3abfc0f87990058aa1b6b5092f72507:16
flailingmonkeyhttp://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next-history.git;a=commit;h=33f35f2a4ee3abfc0f87990058aa1b6b5092f72507:17
npmwell basically i have the xen header from fedora07:17
flailingmonkeyyep07:17
npmand it didn't link anything else so i'll just leave well enough alone07:17
flailingmonkeyI got the headers from a different kernel package and put it in07:17
npmbut it does explain the issue well.07:17
flailingmonkeyin fact, you could just make an empty file named xen.h in the right spot07:17
flailingmonkeybecause without CONFIG_XEN set, none of the xen code is even called/used07:18
npmactually, since you use the accel, please try out qmltube : ' svn checkout http://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube ; qtcreator qmltube/qmltube.pro '07:19
flailingmonkeyI am trying to educate myself on packaging, and make an actual crystalhd package. don't know if i'd have to do anything special for it being a module07:20
flailingmonkeysure thing :)07:20
npmi'd like to know if other meego users can get youtube videos working w/ the existing codecs... my use of http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo-Lem give me a warped view of meego, as if it were a real distro you can rely on for day to day work07:21
flailingmonkeyyep07:21
flailingmonkeyMeeGo-Lem is a good stop-gap or fill in for the many unpackaged programs07:21
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npmwell my .pro file has comments and links in it ... and so does my code07:21
flailingmonkeynice07:22
flailingmonkeyI actually bought the decoder pack from fluendo (basically a zip of gstreamer filters) to compare against open source options07:22
npmhttp://ytd-meego.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/playground/qmltube/qmltube.pro07:22
npmnot sure if it makes sense to package crystalhd for qt, probably just use existing autoconfig based stuff07:23
flailingmonkeymhm07:23
flailingmonkeythe flash acceleration is apparently supported in the stable 10.x builds, but I don't know if the 11 beta builds do a better job07:24
npmas in the rpm-building process that makes most of fedora and opensuse does that regularly... it's a "canonical" example (bad choice of words :-) )07:24
flailingmonkeyi mean flash using crystalhd07:24
npmflash with crystalhd yes, but i'm actually more interested in getting it working via gstreamer plugins , which would mean that qtmobility would pick it up for the QML video element, and other progs that use python-gstreamer would also work....07:26
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flailingmonkeyindeed07:26
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flailingmonkeyi am not quite sure which video formats the crystalhd gstreamer filter (from the git source) covers07:27
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flailingmonkeyi was also finding different support between, say gst-launch playbin2 vs. meego-apps-videos07:29
npmsometimes i get errors though and have to restart the app...07:29
npm(<unknown>:1083): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: gst_mini_object_unref: assertion `GST_IS_MINI_OBJECT (mini_object)' failed07:29
npmFlush called with opcode 207:29
npmDtsAllocIoctlData Error07:29
flailingmonkeywith some video files I have the gstreamer filter gets selected, but it gets stuck at the "preroll" part. no video gets played, and then I kill the process07:30
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npmi may  have fixed that class of error through my  resource policy code ( http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=29068&postcount=7 )07:30
flailingmonkeyI'll have to download your app :)07:31
npmat least for apps like meego-app-video which also are compliant07:31
flailingmonkeyI'm also working on HDMI output, looking pretty good on that07:31
npmcool,. yeah it would be great if all that stuff was available and packaged... i'm doing my part and setting up to build qmltube rpms07:32
flailingmonkeymainly for EXOPC tablet07:32
flailingmonkeyi've never done packaging, so it has been slow going with that07:32
npmyep... qmltube makes all that screen real-estate very nce07:33
npmnice07:33
npmgiven that the intel appup sdk fails badly on my linux desktop, i'm about to test my hack... where i interrupt it before it royally horks every thing , update to the latest SDK repos, run a script by hand that had a typo ... and let it rip... about to find out what happened...07:35
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npmoh happy day!07:38
npm:-)07:38
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flailingmonkeygood luuuuck :p07:39
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noviceAm trying to use QTMObility  from QML , but am unable to play Video files using Video item on Hardware accelerated Meego Board08:19
dm8tbrand what hardware would that be?08:20
noviceIntel08:20
Stskeepsdm8tbr: check if it plays with gstreamer08:21
Stskeepser, novice:08:21
noviceMeego IVI board08:21
* Stskeeps needs more coffee08:21
dm8tbr:)08:21
dm8tbryes, what Stskeeps says08:21
npmflailingmonkey: well that was easy....http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/qmltube-0.0.1-1.i586.rpm (check back soon as it's a mid-hack version that leaves the full meego tablet ux decoration on top of the video... normally videos playback fullscreen08:22
npm)08:22
flailingmonkeyooo nice :)08:23
Stskeepsauke: is there something like a process watchdog in systemd? as in, socket protocol for ping/pong08:23
Stskeepsauke: i'm working on a DSME-less battery management daemon for n900 and want to make it properly meego-ish so08:23
npmfor some reason i had to add DEFINES   += NO_JSDEBUGGER and DEFINES   += NO_QMLOBSERVER to get it to compile... whereas with harmattan and using qt sdk 1.1.X, that is not the case08:24
noviceFrom logs i could see pipeline is rolling but where its getting played not idea ,08:24
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noviceis there somekind of settings i need to do from QML to get video through video element08:25
npmyes . qtconfig is missing from meego08:25
npmthe phonon panel lets you set varous things perhaps you need to make sure the right audio and video sink selected out of qt08:26
npm^^^ novice08:26
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npmnovice: i'd debug using 'gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=' first to debug. once that works, QML video elt should work too08:31
novicegst-launch-0.10 playbin2 uri=file:///xxxx.mp4 works fine , even from QtMObility layer it works fine , but from QML it cribs08:32
Stskeepsnovice: check bugs.meego.com if there's a open bug for the issue08:32
Stskeepsthink i've heard of a similar problem08:32
npmplease post the bug report when you find it :-) ... us multimedians want to know08:33
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novicei searched a lot and found one bug related to this , https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16954 but it also got ignored08:36
MeeGoBotBug 16954 maj, Undecided, ---, xinyun.liu, VERI WORKSFORME, Video can't be rendered with QML video element.08:36
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noviceMeeGoBot : :)08:37
MeeGoBotnovice: Sorry, I've no idea what ')' might be.08:37
flailingmonkeyquestion for anybody, how should I get a tiny patch applied to all the MeeGo kernels? :p the change is from the latest kernel: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next-history.git;a=commit;h=33f35f2a4ee3abfc0f87990058aa1b6b5092f72508:41
flailingmonkeyi'm not exactly sure how to go about it. there's a patch included from that link, but how do I get that pushed out to 1.2 kernels, etc...08:42
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jarkko^pick that patch from the kernel tree, check out kernel from public obs, add the patch file project, do osc build --local-package08:49
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jarkko^if the kernel builds, submit the patch to meego-kernel mailing list08:49
jarkko^roughly that's the process08:50
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flailingmonkeyjarkko^: thanks08:55
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flailingmonkeyjarkko^: additional problem is that people have accepted CRs which "fix" the problem by including xen headers even though they aren't supposed to be included (because CONFIG_XEN wasn't set in kernel config). don't know how to say "hey, revert that hackish CR"08:56
timophjust say it :)08:59
jarkko^flailingmonkey: oh yeah, that reminds me, you also need a bug to refer when you post the patch..09:00
flailingmonkeythere are a few bugs that all talk about it >_>09:00
jarkko^ok you can use those :)09:00
flailingmonkeybut most of them target different components09:00
flailingmonkeyi don't know if i should make a new bug, mark all the others as dups09:01
jarkko^i would first attach the patch one of those bugs and ask reporter (or someone else active in the bug) to test the patch09:01
flailingmonkeymhm09:01
flailingmonkeythe other question is which repo/project to checkout if I want to have the patch applied/passed to every kernel...09:02
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dm8tbrflailingmonkey: start out with a kernel that you can test yourself09:08
flailingmonkeydm8tbr: i have a kernel checked out and tested. the patch is microscopic09:09
flailingmonkeyliterally moving one line09:09
dm8tbrah, k09:10
flailingmonkeybut it breaks builds of kernel modules if they include io.h09:10
dm8tbruh09:10
flailingmonkeysorry09:10
flailingmonkeythe bug09:10
flailingmonkeybreaks builds09:10
flailingmonkeyand the patch makes them work09:10
flailingmonkey:p09:10
dm8tbrthat's beyond my level of experience then :)09:10
dm8tbr2011/08/23 05:25  OK  api.meego.com OBS_API Public API up09:11
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arfollhow can i import package groups into OBS so i can get a group.xml file in repodata?10:19
Stskeepspatterns, i think10:19
arfollwhat do you mean by patterns?10:21
Stskeepsosc meta pattern10:22
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arfollStskeeps, thanks i'll investigate there10:23
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arfolltheres only a meego-core pattern in meego obs, so i dont understand how the group.xml file is created10:27
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Stskeepshmm10:28
Stskeepsmaybe when the release repo is generated then10:28
Stskeepswith createrepo -g10:28
arfollthere is a bit here : http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance_software_delivery#Adding_group_to_a_private_repository10:28
Stskeepsnot sure, you'd have to ask rolla and anas for specifics10:28
arfollI guess they must have the group.xml file generated from http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/package-groups and then they do a createrepo -g before the release repo is generated10:29
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vandenoeverqtcreator tells me there is no mad on the exopc that us running meego tablet, can this be activated?10:42
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kuzakvandenoever, install it with "zypper in mad-developer"10:52
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vandenoeverkuzak: thanks, just tried and zypper is somehow broken. perhaps i should use a stable release10:53
* vandenoever was running snapshot of meego10:53
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Kiranosis there any announced meego-tablets except wetab official?11:02
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Stskeepsacer's?11:05
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Kiranosdo you have a product name?11:08
Stskeepsiconia m500 wasn't it11:09
Stskeeps?11:09
KiranosAcer Iconia M500 yes thanks, found it11:10
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wazdhello all11:33
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kuzakvandenoever, I had the same problem, just choose a snapshot that has the package repo too11:37
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lcuk2morning11:53
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lcukStskeeps, is username "MeeGo" valid? (just joined)12:19
Stskeepslcuk: there's a registered nick for it in case of abuse situations12:20
lcukreasonable12:21
MeeGooh no.. let me relogin12:22
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meegomyi dint notice that irc not support spaces12:23
Stskeepsah12:23
Stskeepsno harm done :)12:24
meegomyi from asia region12:24
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meegomyrzr is planned for Meego meet up in Malaysia this september.. I trying to reach him.12:25
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lcukWhen I see "Android running on XYZ device" is it a simple operation to do this, ie is android now that easy to port.  Stskeeps would this reduced set of packages you have been looking at be usable as a similar ease of porting baseline?12:28
Stskeepslcuk: the problem is always the gles drivers12:28
w00t_Stskeeps: oh, um, did I say I've met someone who might be interested in trying to interface rild to ofono?12:29
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Stskeepsw00t_: think so12:29
lcukStskeeps, I notice that even simple xvideo seems to need the sgx binary too12:30
lcukwhich seems odd but understandable if the omapfb requires it12:30
lcukStskeeps, does android also require gles?12:31
Stskeepsthere's also a sw rendering thing12:31
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lcuki thought the baseline surfaceflinger component was 2d12:32
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lcukw00t_, would that allow the android stack to sit ontop of ofono?12:37
w00t_other way around, the idea is to let ofono sit on top of an android cellular adaptation12:38
lcukthat is an interesting idea indeed12:38
Stskeepsw00t_: i wonder if you can 'unpack' a .so file somehow12:39
w00t_Stskeeps: with what aim?12:39
w00t_like, what do you want out of it12:40
Stskeepsw00t_: well, to put proper system linker and re-link it etc12:40
w00t_mm, so they really don't use ELF?12:40
Stskeepseither that or static link rild for instance12:41
Stskeepsmm12:41
w00t_googling suggests they do..12:42
w00t_Stskeeps: wouldn't work12:42
w00t_rild doesn't do most of the work12:42
w00t_it talks to vendor plugins12:42
Stskeepsyeah i know12:42
Stskeepsbut a staticically linked binary can obviously dlopen ..?12:42
w00t_well, yes12:42
w00t_but my point is, those vendor plugins will also be using the weird format, assuming they don't use ELF12:42
Stskeepsright12:42
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w00t_though... then you could hijack dlopen!12:43
Myrtti*yawn*12:43
* w00t_ descends further into the realm of crazy hacks12:43
Myrttihowdy folks12:43
Stskeepsi'm thinking along lines of statically linking a wrapper in android fs that can dlopen the .so12:43
w00t_I think we're more or less thinking the same thing12:43
w00t_minus the android fs, in my case12:43
w00t_I really want to find information on what they use if not ELF though12:44
Stskeepswell, that's just hearsay12:44
* w00t_ is trying to investigate12:44
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vandenoeverthe meego tablet installer for the latest 1.2 snapshot hangs at installing the bootloader12:52
kyb3Rhi, does anyone know the latest status on meego portal stats (mailing lists, forums, IRC chans) view? Can it be expected to be in use in a month, two months? Or is it there already.12:53
vandenoeverafter rebooting, no kernel is installed in the /boot folder and the grub entries are empty12:53
Stskeepskyb3R: dashboard?12:53
kyb3RStskeeps: yep, that's the one!12:53
kyb3R:)12:53
kyb3Ris dashboard up and running already somewhere...since all I can find is info about the plans (in wiki)12:55
kyb3R(after using google to find even that)12:55
Stskeepsthere was a presentation in SFO about it i think12:56
kyb3Ryeah, there was12:56
Stskeepsand then a conference afterwards.. dneary would normally know12:56
Stskeepsor dawn12:56
kyb3Rtrue, I remember that those two are involved in it12:57
kyb3Rtoo pity I can't attend today's meeting to raise a polite question12:58
kyb3Ror quey12:58
kyb3R*query12:58
kyb3Rcould throw email to both of them.12:59
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lcukalterego, I need to organise continuation for daywork13:08
* lcuk is little bit lost sheep atm13:09
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alterego:)13:10
alteregoWhat are you up to mostly at the moment lcuk ?13:10
lcukn900-ce bugfixing/communication etc13:11
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alteregoCool13:11
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lcukthe CommunityEdition governance is being opened up13:13
lcukand helping steer that towards a more general meego (intel tablet + handset) would be a great thing to progress13:13
alteregoIndeed13:14
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vandenoeverfor some reason zypper is really slow to access the network in latest meego 1.2 image, while webbrowsing is ok13:18
lcukvandenoever, there is a long standing bug relating to slowness13:19
lcukclear your cache for it13:19
vandenoeverlcuk: you mean 'zypper clean'? that is supposed to clean cache but gives no speed improvement13:20
lcukvandenoever, bug 14219 may give some more hints13:21
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 maj, Low, 1.1.90.4, qiang.z.zhang, ASSI, Zypper slowness before each operation13:21
lcukit has been looked over numerous times and on different systems it is sometimes reproducable othertimes not making diagnosis more tricky13:21
vandenoeveri see, it is indeed longstanding13:22
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vandenoeverlcuk: it's a different bug, my slowness is in network not general cpu use13:27
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vandenoeverlcuk: it's more like bug 755013:33
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7550 nor, Medium, ---, yong.y.wang, REOP, There is great latencies when install via zypper that connection failed.13:33
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Stskeepsarfoll: you were interested in armv6 for raspberry pi?13:49
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lcukiekku, re your last comment13:59
lcukwe are all trying to do our best13:59
lcukhopefully it is enough13:59
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iekkulcuk, you guys are doing marvelous job14:01
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lcukiekku, team effort14:04
lcukhopefully we can bring the communityedition across onto the intel devices also14:05
lcukthat would be marvelous14:05
lcuksince the effort required should help all users of meego14:05
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lcukosc commit -m "..."14:07
lcukit is just like git :)14:07
* lcuk now understands14:07
iekkulcuk, i hope that too14:09
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lcukiekku, having stable communityedition will allow best of open source on our devices14:13
lcukand provide a strong support for meego in general14:13
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iekkulcuk, i totally agree14:13
lcukiekku, now araujo's email14:13
lcukdo you see any alternative methods14:14
iekkulcuk, should we talk about that on #meego-arm?14:14
lcukor does he speak sense14:14
iekkuin a way he speaks, in a way i don't see the point14:14
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iekkuif bug is already fixed, but fix isn't integrated to vanilla, what value does the bug status "new" or "reopened" gice?14:15
iekkugive14:15
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lcukiekku, well technically this problem can arise for even core components where a fix is applied on one ux and not the others yet14:16
iekkutrue14:16
lcukit is a synchronisation issue14:16
vpodzimehello everybody, I have question: Does Meego (netbook if it makes a difference) use any tool for managing packages? I know it uses RPM packages, but does it use some yum/yast/urpmi package manager?14:16
lcukas many things are14:16
lcukvpodzime, zypper14:17
lcukis the normal mechanism14:17
vpodzimelcuk: thanks :)14:17
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iekkulcuk, i have been asking multiple platform selection to bugzilla. also the platform verification is something i'd like to see there14:17
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iekkulcuk, but that doesn't really help in our current problem14:17
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lcukiekku, without duplicating the bug for each ux I think any solution will have edge cases14:19
lcukie: if CommunityEdition had its own bugtracker14:19
iekkummm14:19
lcukthen whilst more work would instantly clarify the issue14:19
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lcukbut that is messy14:19
iekkui think so too14:20
CosmoHill.o/14:20
lcukmorning CosmoHill14:20
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vandenoeverbasically all network access from the commandline in meego tablet on exopc is really slow, but the browser speed is ok14:40
w00t_vandenoever: network access to where?14:41
Stskeepsvandenoever: i really suspect it's proxy14:41
vandenoeverw00t_: any http server14:41
vandenoeveri have no proxy14:41
w00t_vandenoever: what servers, though14:42
w00t_I always have problems with zypper, but that's it14:42
w00t_everything else not on meego.com is fine14:42
vandenoeverw00t_: many normall web pages as well as meego download server14:42
w00t_strange14:42
Stskeepsvandenoever: yeah, but that the proxy discovery will delay things14:42
w00t_haven't had problems anywhere else14:42
w00t_try set up tsocks and tunnel through ssh somewhere else14:42
w00t_fixed it for me14:42
w00t_http://github.com/rburchell/tsocks contains a patched/working version that is fairly easy to build, you will need glibc-static on meego to build it though14:43
vandenoeverStskeeps: how does it try to discover proxy? it seems that this is not the real problem, since even when connection is established throughput is ~1K/s and then slows to a halt14:44
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Stskeepsvandenoever: pacrunner or something14:44
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w00t_vandenoever: exactly the problem i had - give tsocks a try if you can't figure it out14:47
vandenoeverw00t_: it sounds like a strange hack to use proxy though, the machine can go on the network, http works fine from the UI but from cmdline it does not14:49
w00t_vandenoever: I gave up trying to figure it out, tbh14:49
w00t_;)14:50
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arfollStskeeps, yes - seems like a cool little board14:57
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arfolljust reading your mail now14:58
CosmoHillarfoll: should you be able to access his email? :p14:59
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arfollCosmoHill: I'm hax0r15:00
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CosmoHillhttp://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showpost.php?p=489200&postcount=1115:07
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arfollStskeeps, so how far are meego armv6 builds? is there a way I could help?15:14
Stskeepsarfoll: i'm currently staging armv7l and armv7hl of my minimal meego core, from those we can spawn the armv6vl and armv6vhl builds (softfp and hardfp)15:15
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Stskeepsarfoll: right now there's nothing much to do but to wait for things to build :>15:16
Stskeepsafter that there's probably patching etc15:16
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arfollStskeeps, ok cool. the boot on rasbperry pi sounds weird, but i hope the firmware and drivers don't cause too much trouble - any idea if the binaries from broadcom will work in hardfp?15:17
Stskeepsarfoll: hardfp rarely affects anything in actual code except if you do weird stuff like libffi :)15:18
arfolltheres always one or two causing trouble...15:19
Stskeepsor idiots hardcoding CFLAGS15:20
arfollehehe xbmc guys refused my patches for CFLAGS stuff :-(15:21
arfollsaying it made compilation too complicated15:21
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Alison_ChaikenIs there any script-based way to bring up WiFi using connman?     I tried using iwconfig but setting the key that way doesn't seem to work.16:37
lcukAlison_Chaiken, lardman uses command line to get his wiki working16:37
lcukperhaps he will be of assistance16:37
lcukwifi ^16:37
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Alison_ChaikenUbuntu apparently has cmcc, but meego no?16:37
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StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: connman-tests , /usr/lib/connman/tests/connect-service or something16:39
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An_Ony_MooseI'm trying to install the netbook version of meego in a VM (virtualbox) so I can take a look at it, but it gets stuck at a text terminal that occasionally outputs some information about a process called meego-power-ico. I've managed to log in as root. Where should I look for errors?16:39
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Stskeepssyslog maybe?16:40
Stskeepsie, var/log/messages16:40
Stskeepsmaybe it's the power icon that crashes16:40
An_Ony_MooseStskeeps: ok, I'll take a look16:40
Alison_ChaikenThanks Stskeeps, I'll have a look.    Reading the source would seem to be best route here, but I'm never sure where to find source for what GUIs do.16:40
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An_Ony_Mooseit also keeps switching from tty1 to tty2 without me pressing ctrl-alt-f2. Can anyone explain this?16:42
StskeepsAn_Ony_Moose: basically i'm not sure virtualbox is able to run netbook as netbook requires proper 3d accelration16:42
Stskeepsyou might be seeing the UI crash and restart16:42
An_Ony_Mooseah yes16:42
An_Ony_Moose*ERROR* drm/i915 can't work without intel_agp module!16:43
An_Ony_Moosethat could be related, no?16:43
dm8tbryou can sort of make it work with 3D16:44
dm8tbrlast time I tried it  it was horribly unstable though16:44
dm8tbrthat was half a year ago though16:44
Stskeepshm, didn't know that nvidia didn't provide libEGL/GLESv2 interfaces16:44
Stskeepsie, on desktop16:44
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ScriptRipperStskeeps, maybe you know that16:46
Stskeepswhat was that EGL/GLESv2 passthrough layer?16:46
Stskeepsto libEGL16:46
Stskeepse,r, GL16:46
ScriptRipperis there a site admin list for MeeGo OBS ?16:46
arfollwouldnt libEGL/GLESv2 be avialable on nvidia opengl4 cards?16:46
StskeepsScriptRipper: like who admins it? i think adam gretzi and anas and that's about it16:46
Stskeepsarfoll: not sure, does linux drivers contain libegl?16:47
arfolldon't know, havent got an nvidia card aroudn and not a new gl4 one16:47
ScriptRipperis adam gretzi also at Intel ?16:47
StskeepsScriptRipper: yes16:47
ScriptRipperdo you think I write them an e-mail ?16:48
StskeepsScriptRipper: well, if you have something to say :)16:48
X-FadeScriptRipper, ScriptRipper: Adam Gretzinger is his full name, but that doesn't fit in an irc nick :)16:48
StskeepsScriptRipper: bugzilla is typically better if it's like bugs16:48
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StskeepsX-Fade: ah :P16:48
ScriptRipperyes, some of the source pkgs of MeeGo 1.2.0 oss cannot be checked out16:48
StskeepsScriptRipper: i have a bug of that, hang on16:48
ScriptRipperI get an OBS error16:48
X-FadeBut yeah, filing a bug it probably the best way to report an issue.16:49
StskeepsScriptRipper: bug 2266116:49
X-Fade*is16:49
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=22661 maj, Undecided, ---, anas.nashif, NEW, meego-release in MeeGo:1.2.0:oss is unretrievable,16:49
StskeepsScriptRipper: you can fetch the revision from MeeGo:1.2:oss if you really need to, i think16:49
ScriptRipperthe bad thing is that this has to do with an OBS bug16:49
ScriptRipperthat I had fixed16:49
Stskeepsfeel free to add information in the bug16:49
An_Ony_Mooseuuugh.. How do I start a terminal on a tty again?16:50
ScriptRipperyep, that is the no shared trees bug16:50
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ScriptRipperI had found it months ago and mls and me had fixed it month ago16:52
Stskeepsi think it's to deal with the old OBS version on build.meego.com16:52
Stskeepsis there any way to query OBS version across wire btw?16:52
ScriptRipperMeeGo OBS is 2.1, right ?16:52
ScriptRipperquery OBS version is16:52
Stskeepsi'm not sure but rumours say it's 2.116:53
ScriptRipperosc -H -A https://api.meego.com co bla16:53
Stskeepsah16:53
ScriptRipperreturns a long verbose bla16:53
ScriptRipperlook at the field16:54
ScriptRipperheader: X-Opensuse-APIVersion:16:54
Stskeepsheader: X-Opensuse-APIVersion: 2.1.016:54
Stskeepsthat's handy16:54
ScriptRipperyep16:54
StskeepsX-Fade: ^16:54
An_Ony_Mooseok, so there's no way of trying out meego without installing it on a physical machine?16:54
StskeepsAn_Ony_Moose: there's a QEMU thing16:54
X-FadeStskeeps: Yeah, but that is not really useful. As you need the specific version.16:55
ScriptRipperobviously, if the admin does not change the string when he installs16:55
An_Ony_MooseStskeeps: it works in QEMU?16:55
StskeepsAn_Ony_Moose: SDK has one16:55
ScriptRipperthen you dont see the exact version of OBS16:55
An_Ony_Mooseah ok16:55
An_Ony_MooseI'll take a look, thanks16:55
ScriptRipperStskeeps, they do even use the old lighttpd stuff, uff16:57
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ScriptRipperStskeeps, I cannot log into MeeGo Bugzilla, strange17:03
ScriptRipperI can of course login into meego.com and MeeGo OBS17:03
ScriptRipperwhat is the trick ?17:03
timophtry logging out from any other meego things and then logging in again17:03
timophthe single signon is a bit buggy17:04
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ScriptRipperdoes not work17:05
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ScriptRipperits just bugzilla login17:05
timophweird17:06
timophI could login just fine17:06
ScriptRippersure, me too, but not on bugzilla :D17:06
timoph:)17:06
Stskeepsusing the meego login there or email?17:07
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ScriptRipperin any case, the workaround for accessing sources is then to download the .src.rpm from the repo server17:13
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Stskeepsyeah, or cheat and check it out from where it was copyproject'ed from17:13
ScriptRipperbecause the backend of OBS is not affected by the bug, only API17:13
Stskeepsi found it in meego:1.2:oss17:13
ScriptRipperand so the OBS backend can still access and build the package17:14
ScriptRipperit happens when you have links or project links17:14
ScriptRipperand was a bug in the access control17:14
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ScriptRipperin the backend17:14
ScriptRipperseems to be still in OBS 2.117:15
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ScriptRipperget time that build.meego.com is updated to OBS 2.317:15
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StskeepsScriptRipper: i've submitted a bunch of patches to meego trunk:testing (see meego-commits) that decreases load of rebuilds quite a lot17:16
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ScriptRipperdependencies ?17:17
Stskeepsthere's some few issues. for instance, OBS/build-compare considers packages built on two seperate workers as different17:17
ScriptRipperdo we still keep track of armv7el builds somewhere in MeeGo OBS ?17:17
Stskeepsbecause of disturl difference17:17
Stskeepsno, but the code should still work17:17
Stskeepsi assume you're doing the GENIVI softfp rebuild :)17:17
ScriptRipperyes, its currently working17:18
ScriptRipperdid you fix build compare though ?17:18
Stskeepsyes, i sent a patch17:18
Stskeepsnot accepted et17:18
Stskeepsyet17:18
ScriptRippergood17:18
ScriptRipperI also ran into this17:18
Stskeepsthen on top of that there's perl that adds timestamps to it's builds, elfutils has a time stamp patch that is there but not enabled, etc17:19
Stskeepsas well as finding out coreutils-x86 and such doesn't actually work17:19
ScriptRipperI had also found a weird version dependency in cross-* in binutils17:19
Stskeeps(some do, some don't)17:19
ScriptRippercoreutils-x86 is not installed ?17:19
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ScriptRipperreally17:19
ScriptRipperARM version stays, right ?17:20
Stskeepsit's installed but because it goes coreutils -> coreutils-x86 -> coreutils -> coreutils-x86 in install phase, the ARM version is the one that stays :)17:20
Stskeepscos of .orig-arm17:20
ScriptRipperthats a problem with current prjconf17:20
Stskeepsi also sent a patch for that17:20
ScriptRipperyes, I remember discussing this with you a while ago17:20
ScriptRipperalso, cross gcc seems to still have some ARM binary code inside17:21
yomshi all, i trying to develop an application for meego 1.2 on exopc, but when Qtcreator launch the process an black screen appear on the tablet17:21
Stskeepsso hopefully 1.3 should be the fastest to rebuild ever, still finding things i can improve17:21
ScriptRipperdid you have that also on your list ?17:21
Stskeepsarm binary code inside? that makes sense for some things?17:21
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ScriptRipperI mean some ARM binaries remaining in cross comp17:21
Stskeepsah17:22
ScriptRipperthat is I think bug17:22
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ScriptRippercollect and such17:22
Stskeepsthat might be17:22
ScriptRipperwhen cross comp is generated17:22
Stskeepsit doesn't actually use the lib/gcc ones17:22
ScriptRipperbut ?17:22
Stskeepstry to rm -rf the directory, compiles work still :)17:22
ScriptRipperwhich package instead ?17:23
Stskeepswhen running on ARM, it has sysroot=/17:23
ScriptRippersure17:23
ScriptRipperI mean which collect is run from which package instead17:23
Stskeepsah17:23
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Stskeepsthat is a very good question :)17:23
Stskeepsdidn't we discuss this problem once?17:24
ScriptRipperI had catched it but at runtime to run a ARM binary17:24
ScriptRipperthere17:24
ScriptRipperso I am pretty sure there is a problem17:24
ScriptRipperdeleting it might cause it to run another binary17:24
ScriptRipperfor collect17:24
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ScriptRipperI found it when benchmarking ARM builds17:25
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ScriptRipperI can check it and sent you e-mail if you like17:25
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ScriptRipperwhere do you have the build compare patch ?17:27
ScriptRipperStskeeps still there  ?17:28
StskeepsScriptRipper: meego-commits mailing list archive should have them :)17:28
ScriptRippergood17:28
ScriptRipperah, its 2 lines, I thought its one line to change in build compare :D17:30
arfollchouchoune, where is the fr meego community?17:30
Stskeeps#meego-fr and such17:30
the-bossStskeeps: Error: "meego-fr" is not a valid command.17:30
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arfolljust what i was looking for,17:31
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chouchounearfoll: that's it17:32
chouchounearfoll: there is a meetup planned in september in Paris too17:33
chouchouneand things will get done near Nice too17:33
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ScriptRipperStskeeps is that fix not in OBS upstream repo for build compare ?17:33
StskeepsScriptRipper: don't think so17:33
arfollcool, i might hang around the -fr stuff17:33
chouchounearfoll: #meego-fr and http://wiki.meego-fr.org17:33
StskeepsScriptRipper: might be happening in openSUSE too17:33
ScriptRipperbecause then its worth to e-mail it also to adrian17:34
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Stskeepsyeah, it is kinda silly since all machines would probably generate same chroot17:34
ScriptRipperthey have to, anything else would be a OBS bug17:35
ScriptRipperI thought OBS name in BSConfig would handle all correctly, incl. build compare17:35
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ScriptRipperbut there is bugs where you seek them :D17:35
Stskeepsmight be17:35
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ScriptRipperStskeeps, do you still build armv7el binaries for MeeGo Trunk oss somewhere ?17:45
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StskeepsScriptRipper: no, it's disabled17:46
ScriptRipperdoes the build compare fix cause at least one complete rebuild ?17:46
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aironHey guy's having a slight problem with Meego on Asus EEE PC, I need to get defaltut factiry settings back. Does anybody has a clue how to do it? wiki 6 help files did'nt help much18:17
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lcukairon, you could download and reflash usb image18:18
lcukthat is the most complete method I know, not even sure if there is any other18:18
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aironOkey, i thought that also,18:18
aironthanks mate.18:19
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yomshi all, i trying to develop an application for meego 1.2 on exopc, but when Qtcreator launch the process an black screen appear on the tablet18:38
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ScriptRipperStskeeps are you sure your patch works as expected18:39
ScriptRipperfor build compare18:39
ScriptRipperbecause if you set in OBS in BSConfig18:40
StskeepsScriptRipper: it seems to do the trick for me18:40
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ScriptRipperour $obsname = 'your own OBS name'; # default is $hostname; will use worker hostname and confuse build-compare18:41
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ScriptRipperthen it does not happen what you see18:41
Stskeepsah18:41
ScriptRipperthat worker name is used18:41
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Stskeepsyeah, but it seems build.meego.com doesn't know this :)18:41
Stskeepsor i didn't either18:42
ScriptRipperI thought they setup $obsname18:42
Stskeepswell, this happened on my own OBS which is appliance-based18:42
Stskeepseither way, in case it's same hostname, the sed is a null-op in the big picture18:43
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ScriptRipperI thought this is a feature, so the $obsname  used in BSConfig ends up in the packages18:46
ScriptRipperso you see where the packages were build18:46
ScriptRipperif $obsname = changes, the pkgs should be rebuild18:49
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ScriptRipperso pls do not apply this change19:00
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vandenoeverqtcreator from meego sdk creates arm rpm files, but i need them for exopc, where can i configure the targed device architecture?19:05
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StskeepsScriptRipper: that makes sense19:11
StskeepsScriptRipper: i'll revoke my patch19:12
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npmre: [04:41] <vandenoever> basically all network access from the commandline in meego tablet on exopc is really slow, but the browser speed is ok ---> IMHO, it has a lot to do with Tablet-UX GUI hogging lots of CPU cycles at high-priority, leaving very little CPU for the wireless connection19:15
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npmvandenoever: if you have a major update, from a remote terminal do 'sudo init 3' and when you're all done, 'sudo init 5' :-)19:16
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npmyou'll notice a remarkable increase in networking speed19:16
npmand overall the wireless in x86 meego is way to slow and unreliable... i'm happy my lenovo s10-3t has an ethernet port -- much faster performance19:17
npms/to/too19:17
lcukafternoon npm \o19:18
npm(2) vandenoever: go to qtcreator 'Tools->Options->Maemo' (or "Linux" if you're using 2.3 RC version :-) )19:19
npmlcuk: good morngin :-)19:19
npmthat's why i can't spel19:19
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StskeepsX-Fade: you probably want to set $obsname in COBS to some other name in BSConfig.pm in order to save on build power :)19:20
StskeepsX-Fade: some other name than $hostname19:21
npmlcuk: thanks for the mail... let me know when you got RPM's for that massive python visualization program from the article19:21
StskeepsX-Fade: basically build-compare screws up cos of that and thinks you're building two packages on two different OBSes19:22
javispedromight that explain why when I upload SDL I see it being built 3 or 4 times on different vms?19:23
npmlcuk: speaking of visualization of data in a web-mashupy way, check out the qtzibit-*.png entries in http://nielsmayer.com/meego/qml/ ... i should have x86 rpm in that dir shortly, otherwise qtzibit<latest>.deb for harmattan19:23
lcuknpm \o no prob - as for building it for meego it is a heavyweight package and I can barely get my small lib built19:24
npmwell no hurry. i figure i might have bandwidth for it by december or so :-)19:24
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lcukjavispedro, so far today 23 revisions of tweaks to even attempt to get library built19:25
* lcuk going blind19:25
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javispedrolcuk: in OBS you mean?19:25
lcukyeah19:25
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lcukworks happily on device with make; sudo make install ;)19:26
javispedroI've had to do a few tries too... but all of them my fault so far19:26
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lcukthis is packaging issues19:26
npmlcuk and alas, meego-lem can't help: package '*vistra*' not found. (trying to match 'vistrails'19:26
lcukwith a new .spec file19:26
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npm)19:26
lcukit seems i have overwhelming support to build the qt ovi version of the calendar19:27
lcukclosely followed by the intel appup one19:27
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* lcuk would like to get the open source version working first19:27
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npmlcuk: i employed a hybrid/hack method with the appup sdk for linux (which doesn't work at all, thus i was forced to hack it)... at the first dialog of failure update /etc/yum.repos.d/meego-sdk.repo to baseurl=http://download.meego.com/live/Tools:/SDK:/Host/<OS>/   (see http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.2-preview http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-sdk/2011-February/001041.html http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_19:31
npmSDK_for_Linux#Removing_components http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Tutorials/Add_a_new_target for hints)19:31
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npmhttp://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Removing_components19:31
lcukis appup ok with components that only work on linux?19:32
npmit's sort of misnamed.19:32
npmit's actually just the meego sdk with an appup front end installer that's a little broken19:32
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npmi ended up doing a lot from the commandline, and seeing what the problems were, by doing all the repo whackery and updating behind the installer's back... so that when it came back, it thought it was installing the may 17th broken alpha, but was actually installing the latest release, which seems to work, modulo having qtcreator crash on me a lot :-(19:34
lcukboo19:35
npmactually, any expects here know the commandline equivalent for qtcreator's "deploy to device" ... i guess i could just go back and look at all the 'mad-admin' etc way of doing stuff19:35
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lcukbnpm venemo is somewhat of expert in such things19:35
lcukbut afaik he is holidying19:36
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ScriptRipperStskeeps: I have put your "*-x86" fix non working accelerators into my actual MeeGo 1.2.0 rebuild20:09
Stskeepsok20:09
ScriptRipperworks fine :20:09
ScriptRipper:)20:09
Stskeepsyeah, it should20:09
Stskeepsi also have grep-x86 and pcre-x86 in queue20:09
Stskeepsthat helps in some places20:09
ScriptRipperwhat was the reason, i dont remember20:10
ScriptRipperwhy the speed rpm was revoked ?20:10
Stskeepsit wasn't20:10
ScriptRipperis it in 1.2 ?20:10
Stskeepsyes20:10
ScriptRipperuups, let me check prjconf again20:10
ScriptRipperok, now I see it20:11
ScriptRipperI was looking for some %define speedrpm20:12
ScriptRipperbut I think that got deleted20:12
ScriptRippernow I see it20:12
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Skareb hi guys21:17
Skarebcould somebody help me?21:17
Stskeepsyou can try to ask something :)21:18
Skarebi'd like to ask you :)21:19
Skarebokay?21:19
Myrttithat's two questions asked21:19
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Skarebi installed a meego on asus 1215n21:22
Skareband after reboot21:22
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Skarebthe system write that 2.949320 panic occured21:22
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Skarebbut from USB key the Meegoo runned correctly21:22
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Skarebwho culd help for me?21:24
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lcukSkareb, did you try just booting up from the usb key first?21:25
lcukthat way you can determine whether your system is happy to use meego21:26
lcukinfact, you could test that now21:26
Skarebyes i tried bott from usb21:26
Skarebits okay21:26
lcuktry installing it again perhaps or rebooting?21:27
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Skarebbut boot from the HDD is not work, the system cannot step up21:27
Skarebyes i tried21:27
Skarebbut if i install meego 1.0 it can boot from HDD without problem21:28
Skarebbut in megoo 1.0 i acnt connect ot net cause it does not see wifi and lan card21:28
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Skarebplease anybody21:33
StskeepsSkareb: forum.meego.com might work21:33
* CosmoHill would recommend updating to MeeGo 1.221:33
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Skarebmeego 1.2 does the same21:34
Skareband meego's forum cant help me21:34
Skarebboys21:36
Skarebplease21:36
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Stskeepsi don't know sorry, it might be that meego doesn't agree with your system21:36
Skarebi tried find the solution from 2 days21:36
Skarebcould i download other meego version fron another place?21:37
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Stskeepsnop, meego.com is the places to go21:37
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Skarebhow can i install a tar.gz file?21:46
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Skarebguys21:49
Skarebplease one more help21:50
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Stskeepsread up on basic unix commands, that's the way to deal with tar.gz files21:50
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* lcuk offers lbt a cup of tea22:35
lbtthanks mate22:36
lcuklbt we had a good discussion today about the points araujo brought up regarding bug states22:37
lbtlinks?22:38
lcukthere should me a mail tomorrow from iekku I believe22:38
lbtI was just reading the CO backlog22:38
lcukyeah it has been quite active on number of directions22:38
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lbtit's a shame it hits one of the 2 5hr windows per fortnight when I'm offline22:38
lbtwell, if iekku says it, it must be right22:39
lcukcannot be helped really22:39
lcukyeah22:39
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lcuklbt the obs has had a bit of a workout from me today22:40
lcuki have sent package round to revision 4522:40
lbtgood - it's a bad, lazy system!!!22:40
lcukwell it still doesn't work22:40
lcukand i went outside smoking instead22:40
lcukunderstanding more of rpm and spec packaging though22:41
lcuk:)22:41
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iekkuwho what when?22:55
iekkulbt, i will send a mail tomorrow like lcuk said22:56
CosmoHilleverybody, anywhere, any time22:56
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lbtiekku: I'll keep an eye out22:57
iekku:)22:57
iekkuhope we get a good conversation and understanding22:57
iekkuother thing we need to think is the future of the CE reporting22:58
lbtin what sense reporting?22:58
iekkubut that's in the future22:58
lbtrelease reporting?22:58
iekkulbt, if there's need to make new bugzilla components etc22:58
lbt*nod*22:58
iekkualso the question about the handset arm future...22:59
* lbt should go look at the log22:59
iekku:)23:00
iekkui should go to sleep, 7hours and need to wake up23:00
iekkuand there's plenty of important tasks to do tomorrow23:00
lbtpaf ...1am bed, 5am -> airport :)23:00
lbtthough I do not recommend that :)23:00
lbt'night :)23:01
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iekkulbt, you can sleep on plane, but can't sleep at work ;)23:02
lbtwanna bet?23:03
* lbt recalls a conference call in BT a while back....23:03
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