IRC log of #meego for Friday, 2011-07-08

Stskeepsthiago: pong00:00
thiagoStskeeps: hey, did you do the bootstrapping of the ARMv7 hard-fp toolchain?00:02
Stskeepsthiago: aye, debian armhf based00:02
thiagohow does it work? download the debian armhf packages, install them in a chroot, compile the cross-compiler?00:04
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Stskeepsbasically i took debian armhf fs and built on mostly real arm hw the base 83 or so meego packages for building any meego rpm00:07
Stskeepswith rpmbuild in there00:07
Stskeepscross compilation on top of that is obs tricks00:07
thiagohmm00:07
* thiago wants a MIPS cross-compiler00:07
Stskeeps#meego-mips ;)00:07
the-bossStskeeps: Error: "meego-mips" is not a valid command.00:07
thiagodo we have that? or are you pulling my leg?00:08
Stskeepswe have that and a wiki page exists00:08
Stskeepsnot sure when they will contribute it to meego.com00:08
thiagoI technically don't need the sysroot, just the C++ cross-compiler so I can test my new QBasicAtomicInt implementation00:08
Stskeeps:nod:00:08
thiagodo you know if we have a toolchain ready?00:08
Stskeepsi dont, sadly00:08
Stskeepsanyhow, sleep time00:09
* thiago will search the wiki then, thanks00:09
Stskeepsthere is contacts on the wiki i think00:09
thiagothe IA-64 cross compiler, however, that will take considerably longer00:09
Stskeepsuse yocto maybe?00:10
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thiagoYocto has MIPS and even PowerPC00:11
thiagobut IA-64? no, they won't have it00:11
thiagoOpenSUSE's OBS had it some months ago, but it disappeared.00:12
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* andre__ wonders whether to propose a talk for LinuxCon Europe or not - "State of MeeGo QA"? hmm...00:45
Smegmanwhen is that00:49
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andre__Oct 26-28 | http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/linuxcon-europe | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-July/483755.html00:50
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npmok well that was too easy... what's the catch? (git clone git://gitorious.org/qt-components/desktop.git ; cd desktop ; qmake ; make ; sudo make install )02:07
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npmand when said qt-components are installed on meego netbook or tablet, does that mean the same QML code would run on harmattan AND meego... or am i confused about this project being part of "qt components"02:08
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sid__sorry, if i ask dumb questions, but how can i access /dev/mtd* with meego02:11
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sid__i think only the specivic module is not loaded02:12
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sid__with n900. i need it for rescue issuses02:12
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berndhsthe latest netbook image keeps resetting the timezone to Helsinki02:13
javispedroI noticed that, but try unchecking the "automatic" timezone option (in the same settings page)02:14
berndhsin the settings page it jknows that its not in EEST02:14
npmif you uncheck the automatic timezone in tablet UX ("locate and set time zone" or somesuch) you will be in a world of hurt02:15
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javispedroon the other hand, every time I check it it switches to HEL.02:15
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berndhsi dont see an "automatic" in the netbook UX time settings02:15
sid__javispedro: i can confirm with n900 it switched once back02:16
javispedro(which is to be expected, as I don't know how where it would get automatic zone info information from on netbook)02:16
SpeedEvilgeoip02:16
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* javispedro envisions timezone changing randomly02:16
berndhsright, at installation I told it America/Toronto02:17
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javispedro(which is exactly what is happening, with it switching to HEL for no reason..)02:17
berndhsof course the true solutions is just get rid of time zones altogether, go by true astronomical time02:17
berndhsuse the camera to locate the sun and go by that02:18
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npmuse a radio to tune in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWV_%28radio_station%2902:21
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berndhsthe time itself is correct, jsut the utc offset is wrong02:22
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npmactually use the phone and call 1-303-499-7111 :-) (from wikipedia article)02:24
berndhsthey won't know where you're at though02:25
javispedrothey know everything.02:27
npmgps will02:27
berndhsnot in my basement it won't :)02:27
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berndhsthe thing to do is to find the config-foo-netbook.yaml and make a build myself02:28
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berndhsif only I could tell what all the fields in the yaml mean02:39
berndhsor in the ks02:39
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sid__is there a network manager where i can configure a different dns resolver?02:40
sid__xterm and meego shell is strange02:40
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sid__mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-stable-1.2.0.90.6.20110630.4.DE.2011-07-01.1-mmcblk0p.raw is always accesing to a wrong access point03:24
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sid__is it a known error03:25
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npmhmmm very interesting...  git://gitorious.org/qt-components/desktop.git works nice on tablet ux if you launch right: qmlviewer -fullscreen -opengl Gallery.qml03:26
sid__did not find anything; when it ask for password it displays the right one; after it is connecting to a different one03:26
berndhsnpm: on fedora desktop qmlviewer segfaults03:27
npmnot for me... but don't use fedora's qt. it's ancient03:28
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berndhswell, ancient as in maybe 2 weeks old03:28
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npmit works on fedora, meego netbook, and if i launch as fullscreen opengl , on tablet03:28
npmif you don't, it hoses the X server and requires init 3 init 503:29
berndhsno it doesnt work on fedora with 4.7.3 :)03:29
npmoh... well i installed Qt SDK 1.1.203:29
berndhshaven't tried fullscreen03:29
npmand am using that across the board on all platforms for some regularity03:29
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berndhsi don't want to install SDK this and SDK that, resulting in umpteen versions of Qt on my system03:29
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npmthat's why i installed qt sdk from horses mouth03:30
npminstead of all this downstream stuff with bugs03:30
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berndhsi want to use something that actually works on a sort of normal system, not only in an SDK03:30
berndhsits an interesting preview to run it in SDKs, sure03:30
npmi also installed Qt Mobility 1.2 final into Qt SDK 1.1.2 for same regularity on all platforms03:30
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npmthey work on my system. i'll worry about someone elses when meego updates to the same versions (1.3)03:31
berndhsbut if you ever want to ship any of it, previews are less valuable03:31
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npmthese aren't previews03:32
npmthey're the release!@03:32
berndhsas long as it only runs in and SDK, its only a preview03:32
npmmeego 1.2 unfortunately is shipping w/ beta0 qt mobility03:32
npmand qt 4.7.203:32
berndhsi'm not going to package all of the Qt libs with small applications03:32
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npmi'm not planning to.03:33
npmalthough i might package  git://gitorious.org/qt-components/desktop.git onto intel appup store app (?)03:33
berndhsthat's my point, this is preview stuff at the moment03:33
berndhsyou can't ship any of it03:33
npmactually, that would be a plugin into whatever qt is installed03:34
npmyou can add to the plugin path and add your own03:34
berndhsI don't think you can plugin between different Qt builds03:34
berndhshas to be very well aligned so that the plugin is recognized03:35
npmyou wouldn't. it would be compiled for that build and hopefully it wouldn't crash (that would be a bug)03:35
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npmbut the actual system wouldn't necc. need those qt-components installed, that's at least my understanding.03:36
npmthe issue is that the qt-components desktop are just regular qt widgetry wrapped in qml as far as i can tell03:36
berndhsyes at some point in the future this will happen03:36
berndhsright, tehre is a C++ layer below the QML components03:36
npmoh... here's an idea regarding the fedora crash.03:37
npmi bet they never tested on gnome03:37
npmi use kde03:37
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npmand it works, picks up all my preferences/styles03:37
berndhsthe fedora crash could be related to gcc4.6 or to glib , its not necessarily Qt itself03:37
berndhsi've seen some other crashes in the binding interpreter in javascript03:38
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Jucatomorning (here) too05:29
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berndhswe're more conservative here, still thursday evening05:30
Jucatohaha05:32
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dm8tbrmood groaning07:26
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jonwilanyone here know how to use syslog?07:39
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sofarlol sure07:44
sofarfirst call openlog()07:44
sofarthen syslog()07:44
sofarthen optionally closelog()07:45
sofar:)07:45
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khertanMorning !10:36
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remwarehello, anybody with experience in porting from Android/Java to Meego/Qt ?11:08
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lbtremware: ask in the #meego-sdk11:09
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lcukmorning khertan Myrtti lbt \o11:15
* lbt waits for postman11:15
* lbt bounces11:16
MSM1No bouncing11:16
lbtaw11:16
MSM1Maybe a slight bobbing11:16
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lbtbobbing -> http://www.clipjunkie.com/Bird-Ruins-Cat-Nap-vid9335.html11:17
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MSM1I will allow this11:19
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lcuklbt heh11:19
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vdvisn't it possible to install meego on n900's eMMC?11:51
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jonwilIt is11:52
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jonwilIts possible to do it by repartitioning the emmc11:53
jonwilat least that's how I got MeeGo on my eMMC11:53
khertan'lu lcuk11:53
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khertanlcuk: KhtEditor QML Edition running on Fremantle : http://twitpic.com/5mvljv11:54
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khertanlcuk: far from beeing ready yet ...11:54
khertantoolbar and rest of ui need works11:54
psycho_oreosThere's a wiki entry just for that: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/EMMC11:54
psycho_oreosuhh *points to vdv*11:55
vdvoh, thanks11:55
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lbtvdv: that's considered dangerous AIUI11:56
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lcukkhertan, awesome11:56
lcukhow is the speed of that11:56
lcukand if you have the sources available it should be possible to test on the n900-ce11:56
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jonwilIts possible to install MeeGo CE on a N900 eMMC without touching the maemo eMMC partitions at all11:57
jonwilwell you touch them11:58
jonwilbut you use gparted to make the really big mydocs partition sllightly smaller11:58
jonwilthen you use the created space to put MeeGo CE on11:58
khertanlcuk: source is available in gitorious11:58
khertanlcuk: i ll try in meego ce right now :)11:58
lcukjonwil, that would be reasonable11:58
lcukkhertan, link please!11:59
khertanlcuk: speed isn't bad ... no speed problem11:59
jonwilI think it was DocScrutinizer or MohammadAG who gave me instructions for meego on eMMC12:00
lcukkhertan, nice, please add screenshots12:00
khertanlcuk: http://gitorious.org/khteditor branch qml12:00
khertanlcuk: nothing is working yet in the toolbar :)12:00
khertanlcuk: python main.py main.py12:00
khertanthere is no file dialog selection yet12:00
lcukkhertan, so it is (python + qml) ?12:01
lcukfile select dialogs are strange things12:01
khertan?12:01
khertanit s usefull to open file to edit :)12:01
lcukkhertan, of course12:02
lcuki meant in complexity12:02
khertanbut for the moment it s open file from command line argument12:02
khertanlcuk: oh yes, it s complex12:02
lcukevery system has its own way of doing it12:02
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khertanlcuk: yep ... some do it well :)12:04
khertansome (fremantle) doing not well (no file extension)12:04
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lcukkhertan, setup.py has a potential bug12:16
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lcukpasted to your PM12:16
khertansetup isn't ready yet12:17
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khertanit s the old setup of older khteditor version12:18
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lcuki must say khertan, pyside + qml is a nice combination, are you experiencing any niggles?12:18
lcukmorning CoderForLife12:18
lcukCosmoHill even12:19
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CosmoHillmorning lbt12:19
CosmoHill:p12:19
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lcukheh12:19
khertanQML : Quaintness Mad Language12:20
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CosmoHillIsn't QML a shopping channel?12:20
khertanlcuk: while i love pyside, i hate pyside12:20
lcukkhertan, lol12:20
khertanwith qml, you reinvent the wheel for everything12:21
khertanit s slow down development12:21
khertantake me more time to do a fucking toolbar than doing the real code12:21
lcukis that based on the components you chose?12:21
khertanof course there is components, but there are tied to plateform12:22
lcukwell khertan the editor widget already existed!12:22
khertanthe editor ?12:22
lcukthe highlighter editor bit12:22
khertana yes, but it s take me less time to rewrite it12:22
khertanand less time to do the qwidget interface than the qml toolbar12:23
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khertanqt is cross plateform, python is cross plateform, qml is crossplateform, components aren't12:23
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khertanat least not for the moment12:24
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khertanlcuk: did you have successfully launch it .12:25
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khertan?12:25
lcukkhertan, no I just tried it on my regular ubuntu laptop12:25
khertanlcuk: i m waiting that battery is charged enough to launch meego ce12:26
khertanas the usb port is broken ... can't use while charging :)12:26
khertanlcuk: should work also on ubuntu with pyside >= 1.0.312:27
khertanthere is bug in version 1.0.2 <= and registering custom component in qml12:28
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khertanlcuk: hopefully i can restrain the use of qml only for the ui and do the rest in python ;)12:30
khertansomething funny also is that making some errors in qml can result in segfault difficult to track12:30
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alteregoThe C5 is quite a nice slim device.12:33
lcukalterego, it is lovely12:33
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lcukCosmoHill, have you finished university yet?12:45
CosmoHillI sat my last exam on the 1st of june and have been helping them with their / my cluster since12:46
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CoderForLifemorning lcuk =)12:47
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lcukheh CoderForLife12:47
lcukCosmoHill, summer job?12:47
CosmoHillI could do with one12:47
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lcukyeah, my eldest is looking atm12:48
CosmoHillhow old is he?12:48
lcuk1612:49
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CosmoHillhe can have the summer job and I'll have the contract job12:49
vvaltoneisn't it a bit late to be wanting a summer job?-)12:50
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vvaltonewhy does qt have to be so big, building it is takes ages12:53
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lcukthe harmattan term program on n900-ce has the most responsive vkb!13:00
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khertanlcuk: the n900ce terminal is awesome13:02
khertani like it13:02
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lcukit is very responsive13:03
lcukkhertan, are you doing most development work still on your n900ce on the train?13:03
alteregolcuk: the forum  nokia usb stick is neat :)13:03
lcukalterego, it is tiny!13:04
alteregoHow big is it?13:04
alterego(capacity)13:04
lcuk4gb I think13:04
lcukbut it is cool13:04
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alterego4G is reasonable :)13:05
lcukindeed13:05
lcukbbiab13:06
CosmoHillwhat networks are you two on?13:06
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lcukhm bug 1421913:12
MeeGoBotBug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14219 maj, Low, 1.1.90.4, qiang.z.zhang, ASSI, Zypper slowness before each operation13:12
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* lcuk has not had this for a while13:12
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lcukalterego, are you using Windows for your sdk installation for symbian?13:36
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alteregoYeah,13:38
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* RzR950 just ran its first package on the devkit :)13:46
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lcukin the qt creator, if I add some text files to the project, how do I make sure they are deployed with the app?13:52
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lcukie, like a readme file13:53
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wazdjoin #meego-arm13:57
wazddamn)13:57
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wazdhello all :)13:57
lcukhi wazd13:57
lcukhow are you today?13:57
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X-FadeRzR950: Do you really have to target 50 repositories?13:58
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X-FadeRzR950: That goes a bit against fair use.13:59
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nialahello14:12
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CosmoHillsalut14:12
nialahttp://2011.rmll.info/?lang=en14:12
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nialahey CosmoHill how are you?  how finish your football club?14:13
niala:)14:13
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CosmoHillwe did well14:13
CosmoHillcame 4th overall I believe14:13
nialaanyone go here next week? http://2011.rmll.info/?lang=en14:14
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nialaCosmoHill, nice my club town is ankruptcy lol14:14
nialabankruptcy14:14
CosmoHillI was looking at the foodball stuff they sound, load of crap14:14
CosmoHilloh dear14:15
CosmoHillgot to give mum a lift, bbl14:15
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lcukwhat is the best resource to find out about Qt options for file deployment?  (for misc text files added to project with OTHER_FILES)14:24
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lcukif I want to install source packages in the n900ce, which repository do I need to add15:11
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lcuklbt, I created a project on my obs15:31
lcukhttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Alcuk%3AlibXv_bug1308415:31
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djszapiX-Fade, lbt: Hi! Is it now okay or what is the situation ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=openal-soft&project=home%3Adjszapi I see a kernel panic if I click on the finished link. Also, this link does not still contain any packages: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3AHarmattan15:31
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lcukand I added 2 repositories, MeeGo Distributions "MeeGo 1.2", and MeeGoDE distributions "Project DE Trunk Testing"15:32
lcukassuming that is correct, how do I then download the latest version of libXv into my lcuk project?15:34
lcukdjszapi, \o15:34
Jaffadjszapi: I think the kernel panic is irrelevant; the problem is the tarring failed because of the symlink(?)15:34
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djszapihello bello lcuk :)15:35
Jaffadjszapi: ...I get the same kernel panic at the end of my Harmattan builds and it succeeded: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa&repository=Harmattan15:35
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djszapilcuk: you missed the last meego meetup, we got a N950 :)15:35
djszapiJaffa: it is very odd we built harmattan packages, but this page tells us that there is no available packages yet:  https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3AHarmattan15:36
Jaffadjszapi: That's different. That's a project, just like our home projects.15:36
Jaffadjszapi: The two won't share packages (unless my knowledge is fundamentally wrong)15:36
djszapiJaffa: it failed, why ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan15:36
Jaffadjszapi: I dunno why but there's a line sayin g"debian transforming failed" with an error above it.15:37
Jaffadjszapi: Suggest you start with those :-)15:37
Jaffadjszapi: You should be able to do: dpkg-source -x <mypkg>_<version>.dsc and then dpkg-buildpackage in Scratchbox to reproduce locally15:37
djszapiJaffa: what do you mean ?15:37
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djszapiJaffa: I have internal Nokia scratchbox15:38
djszapibut that should cause any problem since the debian folder is the same with public sb, too.15:38
djszapi* should not15:38
djszapiJaffa: I have no clue15:39
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djszapiJaffa: I created the description manually, wasn't it a clever idea ?15:39
lcukdjszapi, the N9(50) devices are awesome, I have one on the way as well15:41
djszapidebian tar and directory both contain 'control'15:41
djszapidebian transforming failed.15:41
Jaffadjszapi: I'm afraid I don't understand. There's an error, I've no idea what it means - but I *guess* you've got a 'debian' directory inside your <mypkg>_<version>.orig.tar.gz15:41
djszapiso I should remove the control from the debian tarball ? That is odd.15:42
vvaltonelcuk, did you install android on it already? ;P15:42
Jaffadjszapi: "dpkg-source -x <mypkg>_<version>.dsc" would reproduce it15:42
lcukvvaltone, lol!15:42
Jaffadjszapi: No, you shouldn't have it in your .orig.tar.gz15:42
lcukno I have not got it yet15:42
djszapiJaffa: no, I do not.15:42
lcukmy current MeeGo devices are working well15:42
djszapidebian tarball is a different tarball15:42
* lcuk has MeeGo N900-ce and Netbook working happily15:42
* MSM steals 15:42
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lcukJaffa, did you get yourself an ideapad ?15:42
lcukand have you tried to install attitude onto it (or an exopc)15:43
vvaltoneattitude?15:43
Jaffadjszapi: Well, I've no idea how your package is building; since you should have: <mypkg>_<version>.orig.tar.gz, <mypkg>_<version>.dsc, <mypkg>_<version>.debian.tar.gz15:43
Stskeepshmm.15:43
Jaffalcuk: I tried Attitude when I got the Exo in SF, but it didn't work (looked like accelerometer wasn't reporting)15:43
djszapiJaffa: no I do not15:43
Stskeepsi just got two "there is a n950 waiting for you"15:43
Stskeepstempting.15:43
Jaffadjszapi: I know you haven't, I can see that on https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi15:43
lcukJaffa, if the debian package is not stored in the source code, where do you put things like changelog and other meta info?15:44
djszapiJaffa: I have debian.tar.gz (debian folder tarball) and mypackage-version.tar.gz15:44
djszapithe second tarball has nothing to do with the debian folder since that comes from upstream.15:44
Jaffalcuk: You have it alongside in another tarball. Then your source code can be combined with .spec to produce RPM or debian tarball to produce DEB15:44
djszapiJaffa: well, the link you pasted is expected regarding the tarballs15:44
djszapiI am now trying to delete teh debian.* files.15:45
lcukJaffa, of course but do you write changelog entries individually into .spc and debian/changelog at the same time?15:45
Venemo_N900lcuk, best thing would be a script that autogenerates both :)15:46
lcukVenemo_N900, :)15:46
lcukor one that updates the .spec file from debian or vice versa15:46
Venemo_N900yep15:47
* lcuk ponders such a script15:47
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Venemo_N900it'd be easy to create such an app15:47
lcukusing debian folder (since versioning is logical there)15:47
* djszapi would like to have some success for not losing the sake ;)15:47
Jaffalcuk: That's what mud2'll do (although Qt Creator doesn't seem to like you maintaining debian/changelog)15:47
lcukJaffa, what package formats does mud use currently?15:47
lcukor generate for15:47
Venemo_N900Qt Creator doesn't like keeping changelogs15:48
djszapiJaffa: should I also eliminate the debian.changelog or debian/changelog then ?15:48
Jaffadjszapi: I suggest you look at https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attitude&project=home%3Ajaffa and http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=1515:48
djszapibecause I see it that way in a built package.15:48
lcukJaffa, and where does mud get its meta data from?15:48
djszapiJaffa: mmh, so the answer is yes :)15:48
Jaffalcuk: mud2 *currently* just does Harmattan debian for COBS. But it's about 5 lines away from Fremantle debian for autobuilder, and a bit further away from RPM15:49
lcukJaffa, what language is it written in?15:49
Jaffalcuk: Perl15:49
Venemo_N900yuck15:49
Jaffalcuk: http://gitorious.org/attitude/attitude/blobs/master/mud215:49
djszapiJaffa: seems you have 3 important files and that is: debian.tar.gz mypackage-version.tar.gz and the dsc file15:50
JaffaVenemo_N900: Don't send any patches then, has the advantage it works on all the platforms (almost out of the box) that the Qt SDK does: Windows, OS X and Linux15:50
Venemo_N900Jaffa :)15:50
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Jaffadjszapi: Yes. Those are the three files you need. mud2 will produce them for you from the root of a Qt Creator project15:50
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djszapiodd15:51
djszapiJaffa: finished: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi15:51
lcukahhh jaffa15:51
djszapidebian tar and directory both contain 'rules'15:51
djszapiduh...15:51
lcukI have a similar script for generating debian packaging from (grin) visual basic application15:51
djszapidebian transforming failed.15:51
Venemo_N900lcuk, I usually write the full changelog into debian/changelog and write entries like "updated to upstream 1.2.3" into the .spec15:51
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djszapiJaffa: it gets automatically rebuilt in few mins, doesn't it ?15:52
djszapiVenemo_N900 your nickname should contain two unneccesary null :)15:53
Jaffadjszapi: Yes15:53
deimosone ;)15:53
Jaffadjszapi: Your .dsc file doesn't contain any reference to files, so I've no idea how it's doing *anything*15:53
djszapideimos: well n950 is not so good...15:53
djszapithey do not ship an updated image with it, that is15:53
Venemo_N900djszapi, what do you mean?15:53
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djszapiJaffa: that is not needed. Read it here: http://ldn.linuxfoundation.org/article/opensuse-build-system-building-deb-packages15:55
djszapiThe information from the "Files:" to the end of file can be deleted as OBS does not use this and the checksums are likely to become out of date with subsequent releases15:55
Jaffadjszapi: Interesting. Thanks.15:55
djszapiThe Files section of the dsc file is not used by OBS and can be trimmed off to avoid having stale and misleading information around.15:56
JaffaWell, mud2 generates them before giving you the files to osc commit15:57
Jaffadjszapi: Might be needed to have the same package target Fremantle OBS & Harmattan OBS15:58
djszapiJaffa: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=openal-soft&project=home%3Adjszapi it does not really get rebuilt...15:58
RzR950is fremantle obs available ?15:59
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djszapiRzR950: armvX version, yes. Hence I think yes.16:01
djszapiwas fremantle armv6 ? There is a armv5el  and armv7el16:02
X-Fadearmv716:03
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djszapithat is the version of harmattan in sb by me16:03
JaffaRzR950: No, Fremantle OBS is not available AFAIK16:03
X-FadeBut fremantle target is not available atm.16:03
X-Fade-ENOTIME :)16:04
djszapiJaffa: you are lucky, you have some succeeded package :)16:06
* X-Fade has 2 ;)16:06
Jaffadjszapi: That's why I wrote mud2, to get it right ;-p16:06
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lcukalterego, to deploy app on the n8 do you need to install ovi suite as well as qt sdk?16:08
Venemo_N900lcuk, not necessarily, only the "connectivity driver"+QtSDK on your pc and the "app trk" on the n816:11
Jaffalcuk: If you generate a "smart installer" package, you only need to send the file over Bluetooth to get the package, and have a network connection to let it check Qt depenedcies etc.16:11
lcuk"app trk"?16:11
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* Jaffa doesn't bother with APP TRK on the N8 or anything like that - too much faff for no value (if you've got BT in your development machine)16:11
Venemo_N900lcuk, you can install it from the windows start menu from Qt sdk16:11
lcukJaffa, pressing the run button from qt creator16:12
Venemo_N900lcuk, it enables you to press the run button and run the app16:12
Jaffalcuk: On Linux that never works, on Windows - yeah - you need to have an app (TRK) installed on the N8, and running16:12
JaffaOn Linux, the Remote Compiler builds me a .sis which I send over BT and run manually16:12
lcukwhere do I get that from?16:13
Venemo_N900both are in the Qt SDK16:13
Venemo_N900if you install the symbian toolchain16:13
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captainiglooJaffa: where did you find the MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan repo on meego OBS ?16:14
lcukok Venemo_N900 so I have the .sisx file in my start menu16:14
lcukbut do I just copy that over in mass storage mode? (bluetooh not on this computer)16:14
Venemo_N900lcuk, install that on the device. if you have pc suite then it will automatically install when you click on it16:15
lcukok I am just installing ovi suite16:15
lcukthanks16:15
Venemo_N900maybe ovi suite can do it too16:15
Jaffacaptainigloo: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=24917#post2491716:15
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captainiglooJaffa: thanks a lot16:17
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djszapiJaffa: what is this red exclamation mark ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi16:18
captainiglooah i need to upload a dsc file and a debian.tar.gz for each package i want to build ?16:18
alteregoUpdated N8 to latest firmware.16:18
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Jaffadjszapi: Hover over it16:20
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djszapiJaffa: yes, I saw, but I do not understand how the repository setup is broken.16:21
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djszapiand the other thing is that it is very odd it says that in this stage and not after the creation.16:22
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djszapiJaffa: how to fix that stuff ?16:24
captainiglooJaffa: it's not possible to have the same package build for meego1.2 and meego_harmattan ?16:25
captainiglooi meean the same sources and .spec file16:25
Venemo_N900captainigloo, you can not build a .spec file for harmattan16:26
djszapiJaffa: MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan (armv7el, i586)16:26
djszapiMeeGo:1.2:Harmattan/Maemo.org_MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan_standard16:26
Venemo_N900captainigloo, but if you restort to using the MeeGo 1.2 API, then yes, they are source compatible16:26
djszapiHow about your architectures settings ?16:26
captainiglooVenemo_N900: arg too bad :(16:26
Jaffacaptainigloo: Yes, you can have a project with repositories for Harmattan & MeeGo 1.216:26
Venemo_N900captainigloo, Harmattan uses .deb16:26
Jaffacaptainigloo: But it requires .spec & .debian.tar.gz16:27
Venemo_N900captainigloo, but I can help you with it if you wish16:27
Jaffadjszapi: I've no idea how to fix your stuff. I've pointed you at *my* stuff, which works16:27
Venemo_N900Jaffa, hmm? .spec? for harmattan?16:27
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captainiglooJaffa: ah ok so if i upload debian.tar.gz, it will build for both meego and harmattan16:27
captainiglooVenemo_N900: i'm not using meego 1.2 api16:28
djszapiJaffa: no clue. I should be able to work with it without mud in my not that humble opinion.16:28
captainiglooi'm building EFL16:28
Venemo_N900captainigloo, then what are you using?16:28
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Jaffacaptainigloo: Well, the .dsc triggers it.16:28
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captainiglooVenemo_N900: libc,X11 and EFL16:29
Venemo_N900captainigloo, if those are available for both Harmattan and MeeGo, then your package will be source compatible with both16:30
djszapiJaffa: I think I found the issue16:31
captainiglooVenemo_N900: ok16:31
djszapiJaffa: It is not yellow exclamation mark, not red, so I guess it is ok'ish, just a warning: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=attica&project=home%3Adjszapi16:32
djszapiand suceeded \o/16:33
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RzR950captainigloo: for armv7 ?16:35
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djszapiJaffa: interesting, openal-soft failed with unmet dependency, libasound2-dev. However that should be available on Harmattan.16:45
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Jaffadjszapi: Is it in your build-depends?16:48
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djszapiyeah, I think it does not like the [linux-any], let us see16:49
djszapiif it works, I will go for KDE with mobile profile ;)16:49
alteregoThe N8 has DAB!?16:51
CosmoHillreally? cool16:51
alteregooh, wrong channel16:51
berndhsDAB is a good beer16:51
lcukalterego, which channel?16:53
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alteregolcuk: heh, if it has DAB it should have all of them ..16:58
alteregoShame it doesn't have DVB-T :P16:58
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lcukoooh liqcalendar in portrait on n8 \o/16:59
lcuknext stop, obs and onto n900-ce16:59
alterego:)16:59
lcukthen actually do the rest of the app to make it work :)16:59
alteregogood job16:59
lcukalterego, did you notice the c5 does not have stylus17:00
lcukbut is nice resistive screen17:00
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alteregolcuk: yeah, it's a really cute device, I'm donating it to a friend who's had his 5800 stolen17:01
alteregoI have too much stuff now, :/17:01
lcukyou mean your friend is a willing beta tester for your applications17:01
alteregoI need to start selling/gifting some of it.17:01
* jonwil only needs one phone17:01
alteregolcuk: all my friends are beta testers :D17:01
djszapiJaffa: seriously, libasound2-dev is available....17:01
jonwilN900 is all I need :P17:01
djszapiwhy doesn't c-obs try to install it ?17:02
jonwilAlthough I still have my Z6 sitting around here somewhere for no good reason17:02
djszapiHow can we check out what is available for c-obs ?17:02
jonwilTried donating it to the "open source software on Motorola linux phones" people but no-one wanted it17:02
lcukdjszapi, on meego, the devel packages are not -dev, but instead -devel/17:02
lcukor are you using debian/harmattan17:02
djszapilcuk: it is not meego, harmattan17:02
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Jaffadjszapi: Ask X-Fade.17:05
djszapiX-Fade: !17:06
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X-Fadedjszapi: log .. or it didn't happen?17:06
djszapiX-Fade: openal-soft build logs in my project, repo17:07
X-Fadedjszapi: link?17:07
djszapiX-Fade: apt-cache search libasound2-dev17:07
djszapilibasound2-dev - shared library for ALSA applications -- development files17:07
djszapiin my sb, internal I know17:07
alteregoheh, the dab feature requires a 45 quid head set, fuck that.17:07
djszapimaybe the public does not contain it, can someone double check it ?17:07
djszapiX-Fade: it is building again17:07
djszapiX-Fade: How can I give you the previous build log ?17:08
X-FadeYou can't.17:08
djszapiX-Fade: How can I serve you then ?17:08
djszapiX-Fade: for starter, could you check in publix sb/target whether or not that package is available.17:08
X-FadeHey, you have a problem.. I don't :)17:08
djszapi?17:08
X-Fadedjszapi: If you depend on it, it will show you that it is not available.17:09
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djszapiii  libasound2                                            1.0.24.1-0meego2+0m6                                  shared library for ALSA applications17:09
djszapiii  libasound2-plugins                                    1.0.24~git20100709-0meego2+0m6                        ALSA library additional plugins17:09
djszapieven installed on the N950 we got17:09
X-Fadedjszapi: If you use it, but don't depend on it. Your package is broken.17:09
djszapi(not the *dev though, but still)17:09
djszapiX-Fade: it told me unmet dependency without trying to install it17:10
djszapinot sure why it did not try to install if it is available...17:10
X-Fadedjszapi: Do you specify libasound2-dev ?17:11
djszapiX-Fade: Also "No AEGIS_HASH_FDS environment" this security framework related issue appears a lot in the log.17:11
djszapiX-Fade: yes, that is why it says unmet dependency.17:11
X-Fadedjszapi: Read the comment for the project :)17:11
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djszapiBuild-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.50), libasound2-dev, cmake, libpulse-dev17:11
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djszapiX-Fade: what project ?17:11
X-Fadedjszapi: The MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan one17:11
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djszapiX-Fade: you mean that it is experimental ?17:12
X-Fadedjszapi: Read one more line.17:12
djszapiX-Fade: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=openal-soft&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan17:12
djszapiyou can now see the failed message17:13
djszapiX-Fade: Could you please make sure it is available for c-obs ?17:13
djszapiX-Fade: If you notice any problems, please ping X-Fade on #meego on freenode irc.  :p I am poking you.17:13
djszapiI need libasound2-dev available for my package :)17:14
X-Fadedjszapi: Remove [linux-any]17:14
djszapidid17:14
X-FadeNo?17:14
djszapireally ?17:14
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djszapiI uploaded a version without that actually.17:15
djszapimaybe another bug of c-obs ;)17:15
X-Fade.dsc is 2 hours old.17:15
djszapioh from there17:16
djszapiyeah, I forgot that, just control....17:16
djszapigood to know I need to concentrate on two places then with dependencies, thanks.17:16
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djszapiX-Fade: maybe a warning in the future, if the two does not match ;)17:17
X-Fadedjszapi: #opensuse-buildservice17:17
djszapiright17:17
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djszapiX-Fade: another error: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=openal-soft&project=home%3Adjszapi&repository=MeeGo_1.2_Harmattan17:24
djszapidpkg-source: error: can't build with source format '3.0 (quilt)': no orig.tar file found17:25
X-Fadedjszapi: That is quite clear, no?17:25
X-Fadedjszapi: dpkg-source is no magic.17:25
X-Fadedjszapi: You can test that yourself.17:25
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djszapiX-Fade: well, the openal-soft-1.13.tar.gz is there.17:26
X-Fadedjszapi: wrong format dsc then.17:26
djszapiX-Fade: what do you mean ?17:26
X-Fadedjszapi: google it.17:27
X-Fadedjszapi: I need to go, basically debian format 3 is different from older format.17:27
X-Fadedjszapi: requires you to name files differently. Look at Jaffa's project.17:27
djszapiah with orig bah17:27
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djszapiX-Fade: but why is it different for different packages ?17:29
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X-Fadedjszapi: You need to specify format.17:29
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djszapiX-Fade: how and format of what ?17:34
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djszapiI just remove debian/source, let us try.17:35
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djszapiX-Fade: fixed, how does c-obs work ? If I upload the tar.gz file again after the build started but in the environment setup change, will it take the new or old tar.gz ?17:49
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djszapiX-Fade: it now tells the repository is broken. However I did not change anything about the repository.18:08
JaffaX-Fade: BTW, is it possible to find all projects which have published packages using a particular repository (i.e. find anyone who's using Harmattan COBS so I can play with their packages)?18:13
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djszapiJaffa: my repository got broken according to the red exclamation and I did not change anything, funky.18:14
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djszapiX-Fade: it seems a broken build machine to me.18:19
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rafael2kpeople, anyone working with the bluetooth nokia DTV tunner?18:58
rafael2kworking in supporting this device.18:58
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captainiglooRzR950:  if i could create package for meego 1.2 x86/armv7 and meego harmattan armv7 it would be cool19:15
captainiglooyou receive your device, lucky guy :)19:15
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sid__hi, does anyone know, how i can access n900 nand with meego 1.2? /dev/mtd* does not exist20:03
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RzR950captainigloo: yes and I am root :)20:48
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npmme watches webcast on android openness that concludes that android is semi open: http://marakana.com/static/slides/OpenAndroid.pdf21:01
npms/me//me21:02
npm:-)21:02
maligoryes and no21:02
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maligorthe android license certainly allows you to fork your own advanced version21:02
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npmhttp://thisismynext.com/2011/05/12/google-android-skyhook-lawsuit-motorola-samsung/21:08
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sid__is it normal that nand vendor is not recognized?   http://pastebin.com/VrWaF1S621:30
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lcukalterego, ping22:08
lcuki have a simple qwidget based project with a container holding 52 rows of data inside it, dragging the mouse moves the whole group container22:09
lcukand it is slower at scrolling than the other things on n8 o_O22:10
* lcuk really wonders where qt scaleability is coming from22:10
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aukeSage: ping22:15
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w00tlcuk: got the source somewhere?22:17
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alteregolcuk: pongo22:19
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alteregolcuk: what's you model?22:20
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lcukw00t, not yet uploaded I cannot suss out how to do Nokia Developer account uploads and stuff yet22:24
lcukessentially,  MainWindow contains YearView contains 52*WeekView contains 7*DayView22:24
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lcukDayView is a qwidget with its paint method overloaded or whatever it is and just coloring a rectangle22:25
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alteregohmm22:25
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lcukahh perhaps I can prevent painting of the parent widgets22:26
lcukie Year/Week ones22:26
lcuksince the only drawing operation is the calendar day item itself22:26
* lcuk does not know how to do that though hmm22:26
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alteregoYou're not creating a proper model of data then, and then making diffrenet "views" ..22:27
alteregoerm, I gotta dash, I'll be back in a bit or tomorrow.22:27
lcukQt::WA_OpaquePaintEvent22:28
lcukalterego, no need for that22:28
lcukin the paint event of a dayview22:28
lcukif!sketchloaded() and fileexists(date) loadsketch22:28
lcukelse paintsketch()22:28
lcukworks a treat22:28
lcukno need to overcomplexify22:28
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wmarone_:/22:31
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lcukahh that did appear to resolve it setAttribute(Qt::WA_OpaquePaintEvent,true);22:33
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luisti need pyqt for meego… where should i get it?22:36
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aukeluist: it's not packaged, you'll have to build it yourself22:40
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luistauke: oh great22:45
lcukluist, shouldn't take more than 5 minutes ;)22:47
aukeyeah, it sucks to have to learn a real programming language ;)22:47
lcukauke, like what?22:47
luistlcuk: yeah but ill have to package it =22:47
aukehaskelllllllllllllll22:47
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* lcuk writes pseudocode22:47
aukelcuk: your programs pseudo-work?22:48
* auke approaches -EOFFTOPIC22:48
lcukauke, yes! http://liqbase.net/liq.20110621_200232.codebox4.scr.png22:48
aukelcuk: I pseudo-applaud :)22:50
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mer_geI installed java from the community repo (netbook) and an rpm is complaining bout dependencies: "java >= 1:1.5.0 needed..."23:00
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mer_genevermind. --nodeps did the trick23:09
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berndhswhat's the new installer called, the simplified one ?23:26
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