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| HQRaja | Anyone around who uses AndroIRC? | 01:14 |
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| HQRaja | BTW I asked that question in a /amsg so it went to all the channels heh | 01:17 |
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| cobra-the-joker | hey guys ... Are there any devices comes with meego ? | 01:38 |
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| CosmoHill | not currently | 01:40 |
| CosmoHill | apart from intel developer devices but iirc even those need a fresh install | 01:41 |
| cobra-the-joker | aha | 01:41 |
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| cobra-the-joker | CosmoHill: it is based on linux ... right ? | 01:44 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo? yes it does use the linux kernel | 01:44 |
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| cobra-the-joker | wow ... the IVI edition is very amazing | 01:51 |
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| pixelgeek | Congrats lcuk! | 02:34 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 02:37 |
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| bonbinker | morning | 03:01 |
| CosmoHill | bleh | 03:01 |
| * CosmoHill should be asleep | 03:02 | |
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| hiemanshu | whare we congrulating lcuk for? | 03:16 |
| hiemanshu | what are we* | 03:16 |
| DawnFoster | on his new baby boy :) | 03:16 |
| hiemanshu | ah | 03:16 |
| hiemanshu | hey lcuk congrats :) | 03:16 |
| SpeedEvil | http://twitter.com/#!/lcuk | 03:16 |
| CosmoHill | oh sweet | 03:17 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: congrats indeed | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | Also congrats to http://twitter.com/#!/teebee76 ! | 03:17 |
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| SpeedEvil | hehe. ' teebee76 Tracy Brooke ...instead I'm putting the entire season of #Bones onto my n900 so I have something to do later when things are still quiet. #priorities ' | 03:18 |
| bonbinker | twitter in our country is not access | 03:18 |
| berndhs | congratulations expecially to Mrs Lcuk http://twitter.com/#!/teebee76 | 03:18 |
| CosmoHill | yes, she did most of the hard week | 03:20 |
| CosmoHill | work* | 03:20 |
| MohammadAG | Congrats lcuk :D | 03:22 |
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| RhymeswA | lcuk: congratulations on your new addition ;)) | 03:30 |
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| SpeedEvil | Lequoia? | 03:31 |
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| km82rt | hi | 04:17 |
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| km82rt | when wanting to develop for the n9 am I supposed to obtain a n950 or is there a n9 developer program? | 04:19 |
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| GeneralAntilles | The N950 is the N9 developer program right now. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | There may or may not be something later. | 04:22 |
| GeneralAntilles | Nothing has been announced. | 04:22 |
| km82rt | GeneralAntilles: is it correct that the internal hw is equivalent? | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | As far as I understand it, mostly. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | There's a summary of the relevant differences somewhere | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | No NFc, for instance. | 04:23 |
| GeneralAntilles | Camera isn't Zeiss branded. | 04:23 |
| km82rt | is resolution ect. also equivalent? Is the n950 running same mix of OS like n9? | 04:24 |
| km82rt | camera is not relevant for my purposes | 04:25 |
| km82rt | NFC also not | 04:25 |
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| twoboxen | Does anyone know when the n9 devkits' destinations will be decided? I know the application deadline is Tuesday, but what of decision timeframes? Also, will we be able to see winners' project plans? I would love to know what kinds of things to which to look forward. | 04:56 |
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| Jay_BEE | hi. | 05:39 |
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| Alison_Chaiken | "As much as I love Windows Phone 7, it pales in comparison to MeeGo." -- Myriam "tnkgrl" Joire, about 56 minutes into Engadget Mobile podcast: http://mobile.engadget.com/2011/06/25/engadget-mobile-podcast-093-06-25-2011/ | 07:27 |
| Alison_Chaiken | texrat FTW, donor 11 to the Ada Initiative: http://adainitiative.org/sponsors-and-supporters/seed-100-funders/ | 07:29 |
| Alison_Chaiken | Take comfort where you can find it, everyone. | 07:30 |
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| sofar | Alison_Chaiken: texrat =! Mike Shaver. easy mistake though, with IRC names :) | 08:14 |
| bkalinga | problem during zypper install meego-simulator-launcher-tablet http://pastebin.com/r9YREA9F | 08:14 |
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| sofar | bkalinga: what kind of hardware are you running | 08:15 |
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| bkalinga | i dont have any hardware | 08:16 |
| sofar | you're running something | 08:16 |
| sofar | is it a VM? | 08:16 |
| bkalinga | i just took meego-tablet-ia32-mfld-1.2.0.90.0.20110517.82.ks file created the image .img | 08:16 |
| bkalinga | and trying to chroot to it | 08:17 |
| sofar | mfld is specific hardware | 08:17 |
| sofar | are you sure you want that image? | 08:17 |
| sofar | perhaps you need to download a more generic image, like the pinetrail one | 08:17 |
| bkalinga | i am not sure whether i need to use this or not | 08:17 |
| sofar | what system are you doing the chroot/build on? | 08:18 |
| bkalinga | i want some tablet related .ks file | 08:18 |
| bkalinga | Ubuntu 10.04 is my host | 08:18 |
| sofar | on what type of system? | 08:18 |
| sofar | hardware wise? | 08:18 |
| bkalinga | don't have any hardware but i am trying to build for tablet now | 08:19 |
| sofar | um | 08:19 |
| bkalinga | so i want to Xephyr now for emulation purpose | 08:19 |
| sofar | what CPU are you going to emulate in Xephyr? | 08:20 |
| sofar | ARM? sparc? | 08:20 |
| bkalinga | ARM | 08:20 |
| sofar | there are no ARM kickstart files yet, nor are there ARM images out yet | 08:21 |
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| sofar | you downloaded an 'MFLD' image | 08:21 |
| sofar | do you know what that is? | 08:21 |
| bkalinga | i dont know what is exactly MFLD is but i want to have a chroot environment | 08:22 |
| sofar | what is the CPU type of the system where you are setting up "a chroot environment"? | 08:23 |
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| bkalinga | sofar: i am not getting what are you asking | 08:24 |
| bkalinga | see i downloaded MeeGo SDK 1.2 and used QEMU | 08:24 |
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| sofar | just type `grep model\ name /proc/cpuinfo` | 08:25 |
| bkalinga | that is very slow and MeeGo1.2 SDK missed some development lib and headers | 08:25 |
| sofar | really, my question is really simple | 08:25 |
| bkalinga | so i though of creating my own image and chroot to it | 08:25 |
| sofar | what is the CPU type of the system where you are setting up "a chroot environment"? | 08:25 |
| sofar | like | 08:25 |
| bkalinga | model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3505 @ 2.53GHz | 08:26 |
| bkalinga | model name: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU W3505 @ 2.53GHz | 08:26 |
| sofar | atom? core2? amd? | 08:26 |
| sofar | there, see, not so hard? | 08:26 |
| bkalinga | core2 | 08:26 |
| sofar | you have a generic x86 cpu | 08:26 |
| bkalinga | correct | 08:26 |
| sofar | you need to use the pinetrail kickstart/images | 08:26 |
| sofar | use the stuff from here: | 08:26 |
| sofar | http://download.meego.com/snapshots/1.2.0.90.5.20110624.86/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/ | 08:26 |
| sofar | notice that it says "pinetrail" | 08:26 |
| sofar | or, you can get the pinetrail sdk images instead | 08:27 |
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| bkalinga | ok thanks and coming your question what is missing in MeeGo1.2 | 08:27 |
| bkalinga | default sdk images does not have some library which is needed | 08:27 |
| bkalinga | for development activity | 08:27 |
| sofar | which library is missing? | 08:27 |
| bkalinga | X related libX-dev something like this | 08:28 |
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| bkalinga | but there is no way to update once you downloaded your SDK | 08:28 |
| bkalinga | i took MeeGo1.2 SDK (tablet ) | 08:29 |
| bkalinga | and git clone of meegotouch-keyboard | 08:29 |
| bkalinga | then try to compile using meego-sdk-qtcreator | 08:29 |
| sofar | sounds like it would be worth a bugreport on bugs.meego.com | 08:30 |
| bkalinga | now it complains lib-X-dev is not there | 08:30 |
| bkalinga | so from this how a developer would include this dependency in the SDK? | 08:30 |
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| bkalinga | I think its not worth to include everything that is why by default MeeGo SDK does not include everything.. | 08:32 |
| sofar | unfortunately I'm not aware of how the SDK works, sorry | 08:32 |
| bkalinga | sofar: One more question ..My host system is having Nvidia Graphics card | 08:32 |
| bkalinga | can i use this Chrooted way of development activity using Xephyr? | 08:33 |
| sofar | you can, but you may run into issues actually using the software in graphics mode | 08:33 |
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| bkalinga | what do you mean by software in graphics mode | 08:34 |
| bkalinga | sofar: all are suggesting don't take binaries from http://download.meego.com/ better take from repo.meego.com | 08:35 |
| sofar | exactly what I said. I'm sorry if you do not understand. | 08:35 |
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| sofar | bkalinga: shrug, the language barrier is not helping us. | 08:36 |
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| bkalinga | sofar: still i got a lot of info and help from you | 08:37 |
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| bkalinga | sofar: i got it now by "but you may run into issues actually using the software in graphics mode" you meant "Software-based graphics acceleration" that time | 09:07 |
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| bkalinga | i chrooted to this image after downloading it http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.2.0.90/1.2.0.90.5.20110621.5/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail-1.2.0.90.5.20110621.5.img | 10:14 |
| bkalinga | and installed qt-creator | 10:14 |
| bkalinga | but i don't see any Qt Verions by default | 10:14 |
| bkalinga | also don't see any qmake available in the chroot file system | 10:15 |
| bkalinga | can someone please point out what is missing | 10:15 |
| vvaltone | maybe it doesn't have the compiler & qt devel installed? | 10:18 |
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| bkalinga | i installed qt devel | 10:26 |
| bkalinga | and qt-qmake | 10:26 |
| bkalinga | but i see auto detected Qt in PATH /usr/bin/qmake | 10:27 |
| bkalinga | below i see Qt version is not properly installed | 10:27 |
| bkalinga | please run make install | 10:27 |
| bkalinga | vvaltone: any pointer what is missing | 10:28 |
| bkalinga | why by default these stuffs are not there | 10:28 |
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| bkalinga | vvaltone: any idea where i need to run this make install(for whom) | 10:29 |
| Termana | morning | 10:29 |
| vvaltone | I think it means the qt source tree | 10:29 |
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| vvaltone | I have compiled stuff in the chroot but not recently | 10:30 |
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| bkalinga | why to compile ..if we can install it using zypper | 10:34 |
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| vvaltone | no, it probably means you need some package installed | 10:35 |
| bkalinga | valtone: do i need to installed anything other than qt devel | 10:35 |
| bkalinga | and qt-qmake | 10:35 |
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| bkalinga | QtCore will be part of which package? | 10:42 |
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| siovene | Hello. Is build.meego.com not building packages for anyone else today? | 10:55 |
| siovene | I've committed change to my package with osc, but the build won't start. | 10:55 |
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| MSM | ^ | 10:57 |
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| hiemanshu | siovene: well I remember someone shutting down arm builds for a while | 10:58 |
| hiemanshu | or something like that | 10:58 |
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| iekku | morning | 11:01 |
| siovene | hiemanshu: I get that for all targets. | 11:01 |
| siovene | My build logs are still the same as the previous commit I did, on Jun 23th. | 11:02 |
| hiemanshu | siovene: then I am unsure what is wrong | 11:02 |
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| siovene | Here's the project page, if it helps anyone: http://goo.gl/4Cp5w | 11:03 |
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| siovene | Even clicking "trigger rebuild" won't do it. | 11:06 |
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| niqt | hi | 11:06 |
| niqt | I'm not getting mail from Meego lists since yesteday; is this possible? | 11:07 |
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| siovene | niqt: me too. | 11:07 |
| siovene | The last email I got was on meego-commits on Saturday. | 11:08 |
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| siovene | Nothing yesterday or today. | 11:08 |
| niqt | it' stange | 11:09 |
| niqt | strange | 11:09 |
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| bkalinga | can i safely deletes all file in my /usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/ ? | 11:51 |
| LunohoD | is there any good pdf/djvu viewer for meego? | 11:52 |
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| lcuk | RhymeswA MohammadAG berndhs cosmohill hiemanshu DawnFoster pixelgeek - little lcuk says "w000t" | 12:03 |
| hiemanshu | lcuk: pics :D | 12:04 |
| lcuk | hiemanshu, easy! | 12:05 |
| lcuk | Hello World! http://liqbase.net/20110627_012.jpg http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/85258093692325889 | 12:05 |
| hiemanshu | lcuk: awwww, so cute :) | 12:05 |
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| vvaltone | teaching programming yet? | 12:06 |
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| lcuk | vvaltone, me and luke had him sat on a bmx earlier | 12:06 |
| lcuk | but his training will have to wait until his feet can reach the peddles | 12:06 |
| SpeedEvil | lcuk: Congrats to you and your good lady! :) | 12:08 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 12:08 |
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| omcfadde | hi, who is responsible for creating the build system accounts? (I would ask on the dev channel, but I guess it's invite only) | 12:24 |
| X-Fade | omcfadde: Core OBS? | 12:24 |
| omcfadde | yes | 12:24 |
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| X-Fade | omcfadde: Then you need to file a bug, requesting an account. Explaining what you are planning to do with it. | 12:25 |
| omcfadde | X-Fade: I have done this, but perhaps the response time is longer than a few days | 12:25 |
| Jay_BEE | blah... I should not have consumed this energy drink... guess I'll watch another video from the recent MeeGo conference | 12:26 |
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| X-Fade | omcfadde: Maybe ping them again then? | 12:27 |
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| omcfadde | I bumped the bug just a few mins ago | 12:27 |
| omcfadde | but tbh I don't think anyone is monitoring those bugs. | 12:27 |
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| omcfadde | btw, is the dev channel masked on an nat/intel hostmask? I'm ssh'ed to my server then to my laptop at home :p | 12:29 |
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| omcfadde | I received: [freenode] -!- Cannot join to channel #meego-dev (You are banned) | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | omcfadde: I'm showing up as banned too | 12:29 |
| SpeedEvil | (just tried joining) | 12:30 |
| bkalinga | Do i need to explicitly link my binary to libQtServiceFramework even after giving CONFIG += mobility MOBILITY = serviceframework in my .pro file? | 12:30 |
| Termana | SpeedEvil, that's just cause your not special | 12:30 |
| omcfadde | yeah. my guess is you either have to be coming from an intel ip range, or be on an explicit allow list | 12:30 |
| omcfadde | or both, just to be evil | 12:30 |
| Termana | No | 12:31 |
| Termana | #meego-dev was shut down | 12:31 |
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| boss | Termana: Error: "meego-dev" is not a valid command. | 12:31 |
| lardman | morning | 12:31 |
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| omcfadde | Termana: oh, nice of them to update the wiki | 12:32 |
| omcfadde | (I won't update it, because I'm out of the loop on this issue) | 12:32 |
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| Termana | omcfadde, they did | 12:33 |
| Termana | http://wiki.meego.com/Community_communication#MeeGo_IRC_Channels | 12:33 |
| sebas | hey, I'm trying to register a meego OBS account, but fail. Docs on http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers#How_to_get_started seem outdated, the 3rd step just gets me to a password prompt. Any hints? | 12:33 |
| Termana | omcfadde, what page did they not update? | 12:33 |
| omcfadde | http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Packagers_Developers | 12:33 |
| omcfadde | "If you need help, you can join #meego or #meego-dev on irc.freenode.net . See also this page about all MeeGo IRC channels. " | 12:33 |
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| omcfadde | bbl, some long long meeting. | 12:34 |
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| sebas | X-Fade, lbt: would one of you open my account ("sebas") for the community build service? I'm a KDE Plasma hacker | 12:56 |
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| lbt | sebas: done | 12:59 |
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| sebas | lbt: thanks a lot! | 13:00 |
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| lardman | lcuk: congrats btw | 13:12 |
| Jay_BEE | congrats lcuk | 13:13 |
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| Jay_BEE | gn to all | 13:13 |
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| pebcak | lcuk gratz and... do you have big enough coffeecups? :D | 13:17 |
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| lcuk | pebcak, no, why? | 13:51 |
| lcuk | lardman, \o jayne | 13:51 |
| lcuk | jay_bee even | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | aww cute, bug 18357 has new terminology entering the lexicon | 14:01 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=18357 nor, Undecided, ---, ziv.chang, NEW, [CE] Wrong picture displayed in photoviewer after rotating from portrait to landscape. | 14:01 |
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| lardman | hey lcuk | 14:04 |
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| lcuk | lardman, \o | 14:09 |
| lcuk | lardman, with the n9 having the fastest camera on any device | 14:09 |
| lardman | I see from Facebook that congrats are in order? | 14:09 |
| lcuk | wouldn't it be nice to have a great barcode scanning plugin ! | 14:09 |
| lcuk | yes | 14:09 |
| lcuk | tracy did well! | 14:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: indeed it would | 14:10 |
| lardman | pass on our best wishes to her please :) | 14:10 |
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| * lcuk stood around and wiped her brow | 14:10 | |
| lcuk | I will, tis peaceful this morning | 14:10 |
| lardman | lcuk: I'm planning to pull out the decode part, and then let people use that alone, or with a camera/video wrapper | 14:10 |
| lardman | then wrap the whole thing in a Qt Quick GUI | 14:11 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable | 14:11 |
| lcuk | lardman, if you had desktop spec processing and a fast high resolution video camera | 14:11 |
| lcuk | could you do barcode scanning of a whole conveyor belt? | 14:12 |
| lardman | all at once? | 14:12 |
| lcuk | well some will be yeah | 14:12 |
| lardman | perhaps, high res means more pixels to crunch, but sure it would be doable | 14:12 |
| lcuk | but assume orientation of the codes is towards the camera | 14:12 |
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| lcuk | i am more interested in the continuous stream of code, and more specifically their location rather than indepth contents | 14:13 |
| lardman | if you can lower the res to a level where you know you have sufficient pixels for a barcode at the known range, then that would make life easier for the CPU | 14:13 |
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| lcuk | yeah of course | 14:13 |
| lardman | Some of the decoders offer location, not sure the ones I'm using do atm | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | yeah since 2d barcodes and AR are related fields | 14:14 |
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| cojack | http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Nokia+CEO+Stephen+Elop+rules+out+possible+comeback+of+MeeGo/1135267179932 | 14:14 |
| cojack | is that true? | 14:14 |
| lardman | but I'm thinking quite seriuously of trying out the ZXing C++ port | 14:14 |
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| lcuk | were barcodes around when we had ZX spectrums? | 14:15 |
| cojack | guys, any one know about feature of meego? | 14:15 |
| lcuk | cojack, meego is not specifially tied to any one company | 14:15 |
| lardman | lcuk: only with dedicated hw scanners | 14:15 |
| cojack | lcuk: but nokia which intel have provide them | 14:17 |
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| cojack | if nokia wont any more implement meego in self phones, meego is dead right now :( | 14:19 |
| siovene | cojack: what makes you think so? MeeGo doesn't need Nokia. | 14:20 |
| vvaltone | N9 isn't really MeeGo anyway | 14:22 |
| cojack | who else will implement meego in his phone? | 14:22 |
| vvaltone | there's tablets coming | 14:23 |
| vvaltone | http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/acer-unveils-meego-tablet-running-on-intel-atom-cpu/ | 14:23 |
| cojack | tablets... dude Im poor :D | 14:23 |
| cojack | hahaha :P | 14:23 |
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| thiago | others can make phones too | 14:25 |
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| cojack | I had hope that meego will have a great future, I gues android will die because patents breaker by google, and meego will take his place, but it didn't happend any more ;( | 14:26 |
| vvaltone | Considering what's been said about N9, wouldn't be surprised | 14:26 |
| * cojack stupid ideologic | 14:26 | |
| vvaltone | just stop selling android phones in the us | 14:27 |
| cojack | and lost half costumers ? | 14:27 |
| vvaltone | us is quite small | 14:28 |
| vvaltone | more potential for growth in Europe and Asia | 14:28 |
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| pebcak | lcuk I needed bigger coffeecups after my son was born... | 14:31 |
| pebcak | by now I have 800ml coffeecups, he is 10 ;) | 14:31 |
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| rockworldmi | has anyone tried installing meego on N8.??? | 16:03 |
| dm8tbr | not possible, ktxnext | 16:03 |
| iekku | :) | 16:03 |
| iekku | rockworldmi, N900 is only Nokia phone where you can run MeeGo | 16:03 |
| rockworldmi | k... | 16:04 |
| rockworldmi | iekku: have you tried porting it on any other mobile than N900 or aava. | 16:05 |
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| iekku | rockworldmi, no | 16:06 |
| vvaltone | dm8tbr, Only a question of someone really wanting to do that ;P | 16:06 |
| vvaltone | and having too much time | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | rockworldmi: there will be most likely a community edition for the N9 and N950 | 16:06 |
| iekku | dm8tbr, but those aren't available yet | 16:06 |
| dm8tbr | vvaltone: I have no idea about the N8, but if it uses HS silicon like the N900 or N9 then you're screwed | 16:07 |
| iekku | (almost said onsale, but N950 isn't going to be...) | 16:07 |
| vvaltone | oh, right, the encryption keys | 16:07 |
| dm8tbr | iekku: correct, hence implied future tense | 16:07 |
| rockworldmi | kernel? | 16:07 |
| iekku | dm8tbr, i think if it were doable, someone had done it already | 16:08 |
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| Tronic | rockworldmi: Other phones (including N8) are locked down and would need to be jailbreaked to start with. | 16:08 |
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| dm8tbr | iekku: *nod* | 16:08 |
| Tronic | rockworldmi: There appears to be very little interest from anyone to do so. | 16:08 |
| thiago | the N8 is not an ARMv7 | 16:08 |
| thiago | we haven't got an ARMv6 build | 16:09 |
| rockworldmi | there is a whole community in India who are interested in it | 16:09 |
| rockworldmi | :) | 16:09 |
| thiago | start by rebuilding everything and by installing something on that device | 16:09 |
| rockworldmi | thiago hmm | 16:09 |
| w00t | there was an ARMv5 build, though, which might be resurrectable | 16:09 |
| ShadowJK | what was the armv5 build for.. | 16:10 |
| thiago | noting | 16:10 |
| thiago | nothing | 16:10 |
| thiago | we didn't use it for anything | 16:10 |
| dm8tbr | carsten was playing around with it IIRC | 16:10 |
| w00t | it was considered a minimum baseline, at the time | 16:10 |
| w00t | and was used for things like N8x0 | 16:10 |
| w00t | "used" as in experimentation with, I should say | 16:10 |
| w00t | it never really went far | 16:11 |
| ShadowJK | isn't N8x0 armv6.. | 16:11 |
| w00t | I doubt that influenced the choice | 16:11 |
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| w00t | like I said, I think at the time that it was just considered a sensible baseline | 16:11 |
| thiago | yes, it is ARMv6 | 16:12 |
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| rockworldmi | k | 16:15 |
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| Tronic | Is there something non-trivial about making ARMv6 build? | 16:21 |
| thiago | no | 16:21 |
| Tronic | One would expect that to be about changing a compile flag and possibly altering boot loader code... | 16:21 |
| thiago | just requires time and processing power | 16:21 |
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| Tronic | Then of course there is the matter of actually supporting the hardware that N8 has. | 16:22 |
| Tronic | Display, audio, camera, etc. | 16:22 |
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| rockworldmi | hmmm:tronic | 16:23 |
| rbil | I'm using MeeGo 1.2 netbook and it keeps losing my facebook chat settings. Can I fix this somehow? | 16:23 |
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| Tronic | rockworldmi: So, to summarize, I'll quote dm8tbr: 16:03 < dm8tbr> not possible, ktxnext | 16:24 |
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| rockworldmi | tr | 16:28 |
| rockworldmi | thanks | 16:28 |
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| rbil | where does empathy store its connection settings? | 16:36 |
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| rbil | ok, found where empathy stores account settings: .mission-control/accounts but it doesn't save the facebook chat there. must be written somewhere? | 16:45 |
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| rockworldmi | I am a noob plz educate me on all this.or provide references | 16:48 |
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| gabrbedd | rockworldmi: educate you on what? | 17:07 |
| rockworldmi | ARM,jailbreaks..etc.. | 17:08 |
| slaine | gabrbedd, why we haven't ported to the N8 basically | 17:08 |
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| gabrbedd | rockworldmi: Sorry, I can't help with that. (I live in x86 world) | 17:11 |
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| fiferboy | lcuk: Love the name! | 17:46 |
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| jbos | hey, i wonder is there a AI or inkscape toolkit also for meego ux? | 17:51 |
| jbos | i found the one from nokia qt components which helps a lot for simply tryinging out ui designs | 17:51 |
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| gabrbedd | lcuk: fiferboy: what's the name? | 17:56 |
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| fiferboy | gabrbedd: Looks like "Finn", although I don't know the long form | 17:57 |
| fiferboy | My oldest son is named Finn, short for Finnian | 17:57 |
| Jaffa | Finlay | 17:58 |
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| * timoph is in control | 18:08 | |
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| fiferboy | Do people with QML experience here prefer using the deisgn view or making the interface programatically? | 18:08 |
| timoph | (experimenting writing Qt/qml app without actually writing any QML files) | 18:09 |
| fiferboy | Because I just can't get the hang of creating a QML interface with the design view | 18:09 |
| alterego | fiferboy: I don't like the designer either ;) | 18:09 |
| timoph | I tried the designer but ended up just writing the stuff myself | 18:09 |
| alterego | But then, I don't like designers at all anyway. | 18:09 |
| * timoph nods | 18:09 | |
| fiferboy | I found the QWidget designer to be ok for most stuff, but still did some programatic layout anyway | 18:10 |
| fiferboy | alterego: I will give writing it a chance | 18:10 |
| fiferboy | I am about to give up on that designer anyway | 18:10 |
| timoph | it's not really that intuitive to use | 18:11 |
| Jaffa | fiferboy: I found the design view broke very quickly | 18:11 |
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| fiferboy | Ok, I'm glad it's not just me then :) | 18:12 |
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| timoph | thiago: some feedback to the Qt creator guys ^ | 18:12 |
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| alterego | This is a bit of a pain in the ass, I wonder when we find out about whether we have or have not been accepted for the N950 DDP | 18:16 |
| alterego | And if not, there are two days from tomorrows deadline to the 31st which is the Nokia Developer deadline. | 18:16 |
| timoph | dunno. the deadline is tomorrow so hopefully soon after that | 18:17 |
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| alterego | Doesn't give us much of a chance to try our luck with the Nokia Developer site if we're rejected. | 18:17 |
| timoph | yep | 18:17 |
| fiferboy | alterego: Is the Nokia Developer site taking applications for people with "individual" accounts? | 18:18 |
| alterego | fiferboy: should do. | 18:18 |
| fiferboy | It wasn't when I looked right after the announcement on swipe.nokia.com | 18:18 |
| alterego | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devices/MeeGo | 18:18 |
| timoph | so you need to be a proven commercial dev there? | 18:18 |
| alterego | Nope | 18:18 |
| alterego | Doesn't read that way to me. | 18:19 |
| * timoph checks | 18:19 | |
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| alterego | "qualifying Nokia Developer Launchpad members who have published apps to Ovi Store, or have started to develop their apps using Qt" | 18:19 |
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| fiferboy | alterego: Ah, you have to email a request. I was trying on my developer.nokia.com account | 18:20 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: I've emailed both. | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Or rather, gone through both. | 18:21 |
| alterego | Jaffa: oh, okay. | 18:21 |
| * alterego considers doing the same. | 18:21 | |
| Jaffa | alterego: As you pointed out, the meego.com DDP is going to end up at Nokia Developer anyway | 18:21 |
| alterego | Yeah | 18:21 |
| Jaffa | alterego: And I think folks like Ronan are involved in both aspects. | 18:21 |
| alterego | Well, the review process isn't handled by Nokia Developer though | 18:21 |
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| fiferboy | Yeah, you cannot apply through the "Developer Launchpad homepage (for member individuals only)" | 18:21 |
| alterego | So the community 250 devices are reviewed by Quim et al. Then we get given a code to use on the site. | 18:21 |
| fiferboy | You'll have to go the email route | 18:22 |
| fiferboy | alterego: The developer.nokia.com deadline is JULY 31, lots of time still :) | 18:23 |
| timoph | :) | 18:23 |
| alterego | fiferboy: but not if you're waiting for confirmation through the MeeGo.com DDP ;) | 18:23 |
| fiferboy | alterego: There is over a month between the two deadlines | 18:24 |
| alterego | Oh, wait, you're right :D | 18:25 |
| alterego | Sorry, I was reading July and was thinking June :P | 18:25 |
| timoph | "Don't panic" | 18:25 |
| * alterego will wait patiently then :D | 18:25 | |
| slaine | Is there anyway to develop for NFC stuff on the N950 ? | 18:26 |
| alterego | slaine: presumably the stuff is there, it just wont work :) | 18:26 |
| alterego | So no, if you plan on testing it. | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | slaine: Develop? Yes. Test? No ;-) | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | What alterego said. | 18:26 |
| fiferboy | I'll wait patiently AFTER the DDP announcements | 18:27 |
| slaine | That's the thing, I guess you'd need an actual N9 to deploy on | 18:27 |
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| timoph | this way they make you also buy the n9 | 18:27 |
| fiferboy | Until then I am going crazy | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | I wonder how well cross-platform QMLey stuff with NFC will work. Wife's C7 + an N9 + loads of the stickers | 18:27 |
| alterego | timoph: Quim already stated that the N950 DDP lucky people could trade it for an N9 on release. | 18:27 |
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| alterego | The C7 has NFC? | 18:27 |
| Jaffa | alterego: I believe so. | 18:28 |
| smoku | timoph: "also"? you're not obliged to get N950 ;-) | 18:28 |
| timoph | alterego: oh. I Missed that but most likely won't do that if I get the n950 | 18:28 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: http://www.nearfieldcommunicationsworld.com/2010/10/11/34643/nokia-c7-to-support-nfc/ | 18:28 |
| alterego | timoph: well, I'm still undecided, the fact is the N950 will get no support and probably will be quite behind updates. | 18:28 |
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| timoph | alterego: my plan is to buy the n9 in any case | 18:28 |
| alterego | At least with an N9, even without warranty, you'll get slightly better support. | 18:29 |
| Jaffa | alterego: As I remembered, Angry Birds Magic is on the C7 http://www.nfcrumors.com/05-30-2011/nokia-c7-nfc-angry-birds-magic/ | 18:29 |
| alterego | timoph: mine to, if I have to :)~ | 18:29 |
| timoph | :) | 18:29 |
| alterego | Jaffa: sweet, wish I'd asked for a C7 instead of an N8 now :P | 18:29 |
| alterego | Or maybe I should have asked for both .. | 18:29 |
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| alterego | Interesting, quim said there were roughly 3x the 250 devices currently registered :D | 18:33 |
| alterego | So currently 1/3 chance :P | 18:34 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: I think the average chance for someone who read that is higher ;-) | 18:34 |
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| alterego | Hahah | 18:34 |
| alterego | Yeah, you're probably right. | 18:34 |
| alterego | I don't know whether to be impressed with that estimate of applicants or let down by the lack of interest ;) | 18:35 |
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| * CosmoHill shakes his fist and people who join, say something and leave because nobody replied within 23 seconds | 18:35 | |
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| alterego | Actually ~750 is a lot I guess, especially as the whole point is FOSS .. | 18:35 |
| CosmoHill | at* | 18:35 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Most of them will be "I can haz toi, plz?!11! kthxbai" | 18:36 |
| slaine | A lot of people probably haven't bothered signing up though, thinking they wouldn't get one anyway | 18:36 |
| * slaine being one of them | 18:36 | |
| alterego | Jaffa: I'm sure they'll word it a little better "I can hav toy and test for bugz?" | 18:36 |
| * alterego chuckles | 18:36 | |
| timoph | CosmoHill: you're too slow :p | 18:36 |
| Jaffa | slaine: Given the comments on Engadget about "sign up here to get one", I suspect you've got a better chance than them... | 18:36 |
| slaine | rofl | 18:36 |
| slaine | Probably | 18:36 |
| w00t | hahaha | 18:36 |
| * w00t applied, anyway | 18:37 | |
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| * SpeedEvil applied. | 18:37 | |
| alterego | I made a point of not openly publicising the DDP on twitter or facebook :P | 18:37 |
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| SpeedEvil | Though I'm unsure how well I'll fare as my slant is more platform than app dev | 18:37 |
| jonwil | I have no plans to apply, I dont want a developer device | 18:37 |
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| * jonwil is quite happy with his N900 | 18:37 | |
| w00t | SpeedEvil: that's mine, too | 18:37 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: mine is both, but as of late it has been more platform/app-dev | 18:37 |
| * SpeedEvil applies for jonwil. | 18:37 | |
| alterego | I guess dialer is platform imo | 18:37 |
| alterego | And dialer is also quite useless on an N9/50 | 18:38 |
| w00t | alterego: why? | 18:38 |
| alterego | But Columbus, this gives me a new reason to update the entire UX to run on N9/50/00 Maemo5/HArmattan & MeeGo :) | 18:38 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Columbus is cool | 18:38 |
| alterego | w00t: because the N9 already has a dialer, and it's not ofono based :P | 18:39 |
| alterego | s/N9/Harmattan | 18:39 |
| w00t | well, I also don't plan to leave harmattan on there too long | 18:39 |
| SpeedEvil | I'm getting the impression that much 'interesting' stuff will difficult, depending on how aegis is configured and implemented, and how the nokia process for approving apps works in practice. | 18:39 |
| alterego | w00t: I wouldn't advertise that ;) | 18:39 |
| w00t | alterego: I said pretty much exactly that in my application | 18:39 |
| w00t | whether or not that affects my chances, I don't care | 18:39 |
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| alterego | w00t: yeah, I pretty much did as well. | 18:39 |
| w00t | I want to get stock, open source MeeGo on there | 18:39 |
| alterego | tbh, I will use the N950 to develop Columbus to be proper cross-platform. But once that is done, the N9 is out, I'll get an N9, use HArmattan on that and use the N950 for MeeGo CE | 18:40 |
| fiferboy | w00t: That would be good for MeeGo and the N9/50, but whether the DDP people feel that... | 18:40 |
| w00t | I love harmattan a lot, but having code I can poke at means a lot more to me than the UI | 18:40 |
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| * rzr is facing keyring issue can you help : http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=23699#post23699 | 18:40 | |
| w00t | fiferboy: I don't really see them as conflicting aims, but we'll see, anyway | 18:41 |
| alterego | Luckily, the N900 has given us a headstart at getting MeeGo on the N9/50, so now, effectively, we have another year until users start complaining about lack of support and "Where's MeeGo officiall support version blah blah" | 18:41 |
| alterego | I think we can do a lot in the next year .. | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | 'a year' ? | 18:41 |
| SpeedEvil | I thought there were claims n9 was launching in sep. | 18:42 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: a year until N9/50 users start whining about lack of MEeGo | 18:42 |
| SpeedEvil | In certain places | 18:42 |
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| SpeedEvil | Oh | 18:42 |
| alterego | SpeedEvil: yes, I'm talking about a year after it's released when Nokia drop it :P | 18:42 |
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| fiferboy | w00t: I don't either - I think it would be great for everybody involved | 18:43 |
| snowpong | maybe Engadget could fund further N9 development - they (finally) seem to genuinely like something coming out of Nokia for once :D | 18:43 |
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| w00t | snowpong: I know, I'm amazed :P | 18:43 |
| fiferboy | w00t: But I get the feeling they they want Harmattan furthered by this program | 18:43 |
| alterego | Hahah, Engadget fund something? | 18:43 |
| snowpong | =D | 18:43 |
| berndhs | perhaps Nokia will spin off the N9 software development group | 18:43 |
| * berndhs ducks | 18:43 | |
| alterego | berndhs: you mean give them the sack? | 18:43 |
| CosmoHill | a sack of potatoes? | 18:44 |
| berndhs | sell them into slavery as a unit :P | 18:44 |
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| alterego | teeheehee | 18:46 |
| thiago | look at the slides from feb11. The unit will be kept, at a reduced capacity. | 18:46 |
| alterego | A unit around Qt mostly I imagine. | 18:46 |
| alterego | And possibly Linux, but not MeeGo .. | 18:47 |
| thiago | no, separate | 18:47 |
| thiago | Qt is in a different unit already | 18:47 |
| thiago | has always been. The Qt dev team was never part of MeeGo. | 18:47 |
| alterego | Maybe @selop was saying no more MeeGo to make people think there will be no more MeeGo so more people will look "forward" to MS Windows Phone | 18:48 |
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| berndhs | maybe I should apply for a 950,... | 18:48 |
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| alterego | Or maybe, Windows Phone 8 is MeeGo compliant! | 18:49 |
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| berndhs | sure, for fairly small values of compliant, why not | 18:49 |
| alterego | Stick Qt on it | 18:50 |
| alterego | There you go | 18:50 |
| * alterego chuckles | 18:50 | |
| alterego | I heard Qt was being ported to Windows Phone | 18:52 |
| alterego | Maybe that is the "next billion" | 18:52 |
| rzr | what about qt support on wince6- ? | 18:52 |
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| smoku | rzr: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.4/install-wince.html ? | 18:53 |
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| thiago | or 4.7 | 18:53 |
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| thiago | but yeah, it's been supported since 4.4 | 18:53 |
| rzr | only 5.0 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/install-wince.html | 18:54 |
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| rzr | not 6 | 18:54 |
| thiago | ce6 too | 18:54 |
| rzr | really ? | 18:54 |
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| gabrbedd | fiferboy: thanks | 19:03 |
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| timoph | hmmh. are meego mailing lists broken? no new mails in 2 days | 19:07 |
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| hiemanshu | yeah, there seems to a problem with that and someone reported something about OBS as well | 19:08 |
| andre__ | timoph, yeah, I am also waiting for some of my usual rants to pop up... ;-) | 19:09 |
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| timoph | andre__: good that someone brings those issues up. cheers for doing that | 19:10 |
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| andre__ | on the other hand, if they stay broken for a few more days I can finally simply change/fix everything I want, as per my default "silence means compliance" footer :-D | 19:10 |
| timoph | :D | 19:10 |
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| andre__ | timoph: heh, you're welcome. I hope I am / can stay constructive. see my latest blogpost on planet meego for a summary so far... | 19:11 |
| lcuk | the weather today is +40 scorchio | 19:11 |
| alterego | Interesting results: http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/26/nokia-n9-are-you-buying-one/ | 19:11 |
| alterego | 22.0% say yes, 42% say they're to involved in their current platforms/oses/ecosystems | 19:12 |
| timoph | lcuk: congrats \o/ | 19:12 |
| lcuk | thanks timoph | 19:12 |
| w00t | i am dying in this heat | 19:12 |
| w00t | :P | 19:12 |
| lcuk | it was hard work mopping her brow and telling her to push :D | 19:13 |
| alterego | lcuk: Hah | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: Get a large freezer, a small double glazed window, a laptop and a cushion. | 19:13 |
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| alterego | It's cooled down here now, looks like it might get a bit stormy later. | 19:13 |
| w00t | i was earlier pondering if I can fit in my freezer | 19:13 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: Place cushion in freezer, cut hole in side, put window in. Get in with laptop. | 19:13 |
| w00t | i think it's a bit small, but by god i'm tempted to try | 19:13 |
| lcuk | why do you need a window? light from laptop | 19:14 |
| SpeedEvil | w00t: Cooling pads can be great. | 19:14 |
| w00t | i'm not sure if i can fit special in with me, though | 19:14 |
| alterego | I've got a freezer that'd fit you in it, collections welcome, 50 GBP :P | 19:14 |
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| lcuk | w00t, with irc we can all be in there with you | 19:14 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:14 |
| w00t | that's creepy | 19:14 |
| w00t | what are you doing in my freezer, lcuk, get out you don't even belong | 19:14 |
| lcuk | what is, 485 people in a freezer | 19:14 |
| alterego | Heh: <lcuk> w00t: what are you wearing? | 19:14 |
| lcuk | or the fact alterego is renting his out | 19:14 |
| w00t | lol | 19:15 |
| lcuk | lol | 19:15 |
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| special | w00t: it's not even hot. | 19:15 |
| alterego | I think the heat must be making us all dilerious. | 19:15 |
| special | I finally took off my sweater a few hours ago | 19:15 |
| w00t | special: shut up, you're defective | 19:15 |
| alterego | 31 degrees here apparently. | 19:15 |
| lcuk | speak for yourself | 19:15 |
| andre__ | that's the advantage of a home office as long as you don't switch on your webcam. | 19:16 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:16 |
| lcuk | andre__, you can switch on the webcam but keep it focused above shoulder height | 19:16 |
| special | w00t: your country is defective, if this is the worst it can manage. | 19:16 |
| lcuk | special, where are you? | 19:16 |
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| special | lcuk: w00t's couch. | 19:16 |
| lcuk | ahh you are in Hull then | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | deffo defective country! :P | 19:17 |
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| lcuk | oh no | 19:17 |
| andre__ | lcuk, as it's you requesting it I might even consider it. :-P | 19:18 |
| lcuk | on days like this I can understand desire to wear a skirt errr kilt | 19:18 |
| lcuk | i am being corrected on use of "soccer/football" | 19:19 |
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| alterego | email traffic is super low today .. | 19:21 |
| alterego | I'm actually kinda bored. | 19:21 |
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| lcuk | email will pickup, it has been an odd week | 19:23 |
| alterego | Wow, those N9s look expensive now :D | 19:23 |
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| lcuk | to implement alt-tab switching for general meego netbook | 19:23 |
| lcuk | and for n900-ce | 19:23 |
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| lcuk | i have (before hospital) made a test patch in liqbase and can demonstrate it working well with just minor patch | 19:24 |
| lcuk | making similar patch in the window manager on netbook would be an interesting test | 19:24 |
| alterego | I reckon the N9 will retail in the UK for 499 :/ | 19:24 |
| alterego | That is expensive. | 19:24 |
| Jaffa | alterego: For the 16 or 64 GB one? | 19:25 |
| * Jaffa reckons 429gbp for 16 and 499 for 64 | 19:25 | |
| lcuk | the n9 is sexy hardware certainly | 19:25 |
| lcuk | question | 19:25 |
| alterego | Jaffa 64 | 19:25 |
| lcuk | when microsoft release searay will it have same openness | 19:25 |
| lcuk | ie ability to flash meego onto it | 19:26 |
| lcuk | because that camera button is a desirable addon | 19:26 |
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| thiago | searay was a codename for a meego device, along with half a dozen others | 19:26 |
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| lcuk | ok thiago the n9 with windows phone on it | 19:26 |
| lcuk | whatever its internal technical name | 19:27 |
| lcuk | there is the n9 without a camera button | 19:27 |
| lcuk | and the microsoft one with | 19:27 |
| alterego | Jaffa: 16G model looks set to be 399 -> 429 | 19:27 |
| alterego | We always pay more than the Americans. | 19:27 |
| alterego | So I'm inclined to think 429+ | 19:27 |
| alterego | Which is just silly imo | 19:28 |
| alterego | But we'll see. | 19:28 |
| Jaffa | alterego: Yeah, it when I think that's more than my iPad 2 that'll I'll consider not buying it | 19:28 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: well, like we were saying earlier, at least if you have an N950 you can trade for N9, and/or apply to the possibly and hopefully future N9 Community Device Programme .. | 19:29 |
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| alterego | Is the N950 32G? | 19:29 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: I believe so | 19:30 |
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| alterego | Tough choices all around really. | 19:30 |
| * Jaffa would like to buy one to support it | 19:30 | |
| alterego | I bet the trade would be a N950 for a 16G pink N9 too :P | 19:30 |
| hell | ) | 19:31 |
| alterego | Same here, but that is pretty expensive. | 19:31 |
| alterego | I suppose I have a contract up for renewel ;) | 19:31 |
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| frals | alterego: wouldnt count on it being 32 | 19:31 |
| Jaffa | frals: Oh? | 19:32 |
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| frals | Jaffa: ye, guess achipa or someone like that could confirm how much it is | 19:32 |
| frals | since the one i have isnt the final one.. :p | 19:33 |
| alterego | Heh | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | frals: How much does the one you have have? | 19:33 |
| frals | 16 | 19:33 |
| alterego | frals: so 16 is possible? | 19:33 |
| alterego | lame :/ | 19:33 |
| frals | alterego: i dont see why more is needed for *development* ;) | 19:33 |
| Jaffa | frals: You want developers to switch to it as their primary device :-p | 19:33 |
| alterego | Might use an N8 for media player then. | 19:33 |
| frals | alterego: if you wuld want to store your music collection on it its a different matter ;) | 19:33 |
| alterego | frals: exactly my point | 19:34 |
| alterego | And all those 720, videos ... | 19:34 |
| Jaffa | frals: If devs don't use it as their music player, how will they suddenly think of the perfect music player companion app? :p | 19:34 |
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| frals | alterego: i was going to keep my n900 as mediaplayer, but turns out... im only using one device ;) | 19:34 |
| alterego | Hah | 19:34 |
| alterego | Cool | 19:34 |
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| frals | not having any videos on there thou | 19:34 |
| alterego | frals: is yours a black or silver model? | 19:34 |
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| delac | is there any meta package or zypper pattern to install QML related stuff? | 19:38 |
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| frals | alterego: ive only ever seen black N950s, whats this silver model you speak of? :P | 19:39 |
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| andyross | delac: QML is just part of qt (probably "qt-declarative" if I had to guess at the package name, but I'm sure it's already installed). You want the meego-qml-launcher app maybe? | 19:41 |
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| lcuk | frals, deny all knowledge! | 19:42 |
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| berndhs | you get a black one and you paint it, what's the problem ? | 19:42 |
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| delac | andyross: I have a strange problem. For some reason I get a error: qrc:///mapviewer.qml:74:17: Cannot assign to non-existent property "onPositionChanged". | 19:45 |
| delac | andyross: and I wonder if I'm missing some package or something | 19:45 |
| alterego | "There are over 100 million Qt powered devices, and the N9 shows the way to the future" | 19:46 |
| alterego | Interesting quote there .. | 19:47 |
| Jaffa | alterego: URL? | 19:47 |
| andyross | This property? That's just on MouseArea: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-mousearea.html#onPositionChanged-signal | 19:47 |
| andyross | You sure you don't have more errors? The component it's in is indeed a MouseArea? | 19:47 |
| alterego | Jaffa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU8kYwqZKgM&feature=player_detailpage#t=798s | 19:47 |
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| Jaffa | alterego: Oh, yes - there were a few interesting terms there. Like Elop saying "this is the result of our MeeGo work" | 19:49 |
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| alterego | Jaffa: yeah, that's a bit more depressing and less, erm, meaningful :D | 19:50 |
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| delac | andyross: no, it seems to be in MapMouseArea, which doesn't have that member... But this is example from the qt-mobility package!? | 19:51 |
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| andyross | Unfortunately I'm lost without time to read the source code. But this could be version skew: does the example match the built QtMobility version? | 19:53 |
| delac | andyross: yes, it should | 19:53 |
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| delac | andyross: and this example does work on the simulator... | 19:54 |
| andyross | I'd check again. A quick google shows this as (I think) the current source for that demo, and it's using MouseArea: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility/declarative-location-mapviewer-mapviewer-qml.html | 19:56 |
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| delac | andyross: I'm using 1.2. http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.2/declarative-location-mapviewer-mapviewer-qml.html | 19:59 |
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| delac | andyross: also the mobility stuff on meego seems to be 1.2 | 20:00 |
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| * fiferboy tries to remain productive while waiting for DDP news... | 20:06 | |
| alterego | Prototyping new Columbus UX in QML | 20:06 |
| SpeedEvil | Argh. Just got a email from developer@nokia.com - silly spam. | 20:07 |
| alterego | In 20 minutes I've pretty much made it functionally equivalent O_o | 20:07 |
| SpeedEvil | :) | 20:07 |
| TSCHAKeee | columbus UX? | 20:07 |
| alterego | TSCHAKeee: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html | 20:08 |
| alterego | That is QWidget based. | 20:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | oh om | 20:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 20:09 |
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| alterego | TSCHAKeee: looks a bit dated now, after seeing all the super transitions and effects you can do in QML realy easily. | 20:09 |
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| alterego | Of course, I could do them all in Qt Animation Framework, but QML means I can target multiple platforms properly :) | 20:09 |
| fiferboy | alterego: I really need to convert a QWidget UI to QML | 20:10 |
| alterego | fiferboy: what app? | 20:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | after spending time with qml | 20:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | i can't stand QWidget | 20:10 |
| fiferboy | alterego: Did you do it in such a way that you can run either QWidget or QML depending on the system? | 20:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | but god damn, trying to massage our STL based DCE stuff (data models and the like) to be exposed via QML is proving to really hurt. | 20:10 |
| fiferboy | alterego: Birdlist - http://andrew.olmsted.ca | 20:11 |
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| MohammadAG | I also need to convert QWidget to QML | 20:11 |
| alterego | fiferboy: the UXs will be plugins | 20:11 |
| alterego | fiferboy: so the QWidget UX will still be around, but it's Maemo5 specific. | 20:11 |
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| MohammadAG | and I have no idea where to start | 20:12 |
| berndhs | maybe the meego mailing lists have all been converted to forums ? | 20:12 |
| alterego | The beginning :P | 20:12 |
| lcuk | for amusement http://liqbase.net/20110627_017.jpg | 20:12 |
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| MohammadAG | alterego, well, yeah, but looking at the scale of the app | 20:13 |
| alterego | lcuk: awwww :P | 20:13 |
| alterego | What App? | 20:13 |
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| lcuk | he is fast asleep :) | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | I have to implement a component for the news friend, a model for the friends list, a widget for notes and editing them, a dialog for notifications, favorites (or as I call them, people you stalk) etc | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, sociality | 20:14 |
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| alterego | Doesn't sounds like much work | 20:14 |
| alterego | Seriously, if you just start doing it | 20:14 |
| alterego | You'll realise how little time it'll take you to actually do it :D | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | Well, I finished all that in one day for sociality | 20:15 |
| fiferboy | alterego: Yeah, it is basically a list view with a custom delegate and a bunch of input dialogs | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | in QWidget | 20:15 |
| fiferboy | I need to figure out QML layouts and transitions, though | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | anchors are nice | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | I hate lists in QML | 20:15 |
| fiferboy | alterego: Have you done any Qt Component stuff yet? | 20:15 |
| alterego | fiferboy: loads | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | I prefer that objects stay in memory, instead of constructing them on scrolling | 20:16 |
| alterego | fiferboy: I wrote the QML UX for the meego reference dialer. | 20:16 |
| fiferboy | MohammadAG: I am hoping I can keep my C++ list class and somehow hook it into a QML list | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if that changed | 20:16 |
| MohammadAG | fiferboy, if it's a list model you can | 20:16 |
| fiferboy | alterego: Right, but is that just "plain" QML? Or does it use components? | 20:16 |
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| fiferboy | MohammadAG: Yes, I thought I read that somewhere :) | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | fiferboy, i read it somewhere too :P | 20:17 |
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| alterego | fiferboy: oh, it's just plain QML, I've done a little with components and I'll be porting the dialer QML to meego ux components soon enough | 20:17 |
| alterego | Wow, I've just learned about 'extended' states. | 20:18 |
| alterego | I didn't know you could do that :D | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | alterego, I'll start on Sociality QML today, I'll be annoying you frequently :p | 20:18 |
| fiferboy | From what I have read (and I may be mistaken) it seems that components of some variety will be supported nearly everywhere | 20:18 |
| alterego | MohammadAG: by all means ;) | 20:18 |
| fiferboy | alterego: I'll try to annoy you frequently too :) | 20:18 |
| alterego | :) | 20:19 |
| lcuk | qml on windowsphone? | 20:19 |
| alterego | I don't mind, if I'm not around just leave me a PM or something (I use irssi in a remote screen session) | 20:19 |
| alterego | I always get my messages :) | 20:19 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, seen the bug reply to MeeGo R&D | 20:19 |
| alterego | lcuk: I think that's the "next billion" :P | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | I know the drill alterego, remember September? :P | 20:19 |
| alterego | I remember rought 20 septembers :P | 20:20 |
| alterego | Which one in particular :) | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | last one duh :p | 20:20 |
| alterego | Heh, | 20:20 |
| MohammadAG | I couldn't read docs back then, or .h files for that matter | 20:21 |
| alterego | :) | 20:21 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: not yet, let me reload | 20:22 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, does make for good reading | 20:23 |
| vgrade | not | 20:23 |
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| dm8tbr | vgrade: actually, yes I'm pretty sure they have | 20:24 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: as main force behind meego (when it started) they probably have the right to call an abacus meego | 20:25 |
| dm8tbr | MeeGo 1.2 Abacus | 20:25 |
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| Aard | vgrade: which bug? | 20:28 |
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| vgrade | bug 13516 | 20:29 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, RESO FIXED, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project" | 20:29 |
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| dm8tbr | vgrade: what's your opinion on the 'for MeeGo' part? | 20:34 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: for me that sounds awkward, how would this apply in practice? ideas? | 20:34 |
| vgrade | OK good, we can now use the word meego instead of mg | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | Joggler for MeeGo? | 20:35 |
| dm8tbr | Archos gen8 for MeeGo? that's counter intuitive for me | 20:35 |
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| vgrade | Joggler port for MeeGo | 20:36 |
| dm8tbr | ah | 20:36 |
| dm8tbr | that makes more sense | 20:36 |
| vgrade | port or adaptation | 20:36 |
| dm8tbr | still a bit weird, but better | 20:36 |
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| vgrade | forMeeGo.openaos.org | 20:37 |
| dm8tbr | that again sounds kinda neat | 20:37 |
| vgrade | vgrade buys forMeeGo.com | 20:38 |
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| dneary | vgrade just violated LF trademark guidelines ;) | 20:38 |
| dm8tbr | dneary: see bug 13516 | 20:39 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, RESO FIXED, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project" | 20:39 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, "Instead, we suggest using "<project name> for MeeGo." | 20:40 |
| dneary | OK - I get it | 20:40 |
| dneary | projetc | 20:40 |
| dneary | project.formeego.com | 20:40 |
| dm8tbr | *nod* | 20:40 |
| RST38h | I suggest using the word Unix in place of Meego, | 20:40 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, Unfortunately, that might work in text descriptions of the site, but the LF guidelines are very clear on using [Mm]ee[Gg]o in a domain name | 20:41 |
| RST38h | "Unix"is not formally a trademark ("UNIX" is) and it will free you from the necessity of proving Meego compatibility | 20:41 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, See http://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/linux-foundation-trademark-usage-guidelines | 20:41 |
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| dneary | "A trademark should not be used as your domain name or as part of your domain name." | 20:42 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, See also bug 14699 | 20:42 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14699 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, ASSI, MeeGo Central need a trademark license (if they don't have one already) | 20:42 |
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| dm8tbr | dneary: well, that would just put things back at square zero | 20:42 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, If you say so | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | dneary: we can call it for meego but we are not allowed to have a domain that says so (as a example) | 20:43 |
| vgrade | dm8tbr, but we can still use the MeeGo word in image names and blog posts, tweets etc | 20:43 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: it's a step, yes and I'm happy it's finally moving | 20:43 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, I think that the rules are too strict, and can be less strict, but we're not talking to the people who make the rules | 20:43 |
| dneary | So we have no chance to convince them | 20:44 |
| dm8tbr | dneary: I was under the impression that bdub does? | 20:44 |
| dneary | No | 20:44 |
| dneary | bdub talks to the people who make the rules | 20:44 |
| dneary | But bdub doesn't make the rules | 20:44 |
| dm8tbr | that's what I meant | 20:44 |
| dneary | And he didn't manage to convince them | 20:44 |
| dm8tbr | dneary: you seem to know more about this process than I do... | 20:45 |
| dm8tbr | dneary: mind shedding some light on it? | 20:45 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, In general, there's a lawyer involved somewhere | 20:45 |
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| dm8tbr | you can clearly tell by the careful wording, yes | 20:45 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, As I understand it, the LF lawyers have drafted the LF trademark guidelines | 20:45 |
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| vgrade | dm8tbr, also from the lf site 'A trademark should not be used as part of your product name.'. So the JoggerForMeeGo.img is still not going to work | 20:45 |
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| dneary | dm8tbr, And while I have been arguing that MeeGo needs to be special-cased and have a separate trademark policy (as a site you want to encourage community websites & apps around) the LF people responsible for the trademark policy, when Brian has proposed changes, have said it ain't gonna happen | 20:46 |
| dneary | That's the 30s summary | 20:47 |
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| smoku | dm8tbr, riding your favourite ponny again? :) | 20:47 |
| DawnFoster | we're working hard on this | 20:48 |
| DawnFoster | btw | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: absofunking lutely! :D | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | DawnFoster: I appreciate that | 20:48 |
| DawnFoster | anything involving legal takes time and negotiation | 20:48 |
| DawnFoster | ok, now back to work for me - too many things to do today :) | 20:48 |
| dm8tbr | DawnFoster: would having a umbrella domain be possible? | 20:49 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, I believe you - but so far there hasn't really been much transparency in how this stuff works | 20:49 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, www.umbrella.com is taken | 20:49 |
| DawnFoster | we're trying to figure out how it works & who makes those decisions | 20:49 |
| * dm8tbr fwapfs dneary :p | 20:49 | |
| DawnFoster | I think if you look at the bugs you'll see that it's a matter of trying to figure it out | 20:49 |
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| DawnFoster | not lack of transparency | 20:49 |
| DawnFoster | what we don't know, we can't share | 20:49 |
| DawnFoster | all we can do is work to fix it | 20:50 |
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| DawnFoster | which is what we're doing | 20:50 |
| DawnFoster | but seriously don't have time to dive into this discussion today | 20:50 |
| dm8tbr | DawnFoster: dead air between 2011-02-15 and now is quite intransparent to me | 20:50 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Well, if I can help, let me know | 20:50 |
| dneary | DawnFoster, Have been through Conversations with Lawyers before (as have you, I know) | 20:51 |
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| dneary | dm8tbr, Hmmm.... 2011-02-15. Why does that date bring back memories? | 20:51 |
| dm8tbr | duuuuh, coincidence :) | 20:51 |
| dneary | dm8tbr, Oh yeah, it was 4 days after Nokia clarified their MeeGo strategy | 20:51 |
| * dm8tbr was ranting happily before that already ;) | 20:52 | |
| dneary | dm8tbr, I think from then until the MeeGo conference ppl in LF had a lot to do behind the scenes | 20:52 |
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| dm8tbr | indeed | 20:53 |
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| Venemo | hey MeeGoists | 20:58 |
| berndhs | Venemo: will there be a schism between the purist MeeGoitsts and the Harmattenites ? | 20:59 |
| pebcak | jo | 21:00 |
| auke | schisms, fatah and jihad issues -> please discuss in #meego-bar instead :) | 21:00 |
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| Venemo | berndhs, I haven't decided yet. | 21:01 |
| Venemo | berndhs, depends on whether they gimme a new toy or not :P | 21:01 |
| gabrbedd | <-- cracks his eggs on the Beg End | 21:01 |
| gabrbedd | s/Beg/Big/ | 21:01 |
| infobot | gabrbedd meant: <-- cracks his eggs on the Big End | 21:01 |
| * dm8tbr would just install MeeGo on a N950 :) | 21:02 | |
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| Venemo | dm8tbr, I don't understand why they didn't use the mainline MeeGo instead of their own stuff btw | 21:03 |
| * smoku loves RPM automatic dependency insertion | 21:03 | |
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| smoku | it just saved me few WTFs on runtime debugging for sure... | 21:03 |
| dm8tbr | Venemo: timing issue I guess, probably the stuff was well on its way when they made the pact with the dev^h^h^h lf and intel | 21:03 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo: Actually, I don't understand why they chose to reinvent everything last year instead of doing a migration from Harmattan. (Probably to appease Intel's interests) | 21:04 |
| smoku | gabrbedd, because MeeGo Core is/was unstable, and Maemo core is proven to work? | 21:05 |
| Venemo | gabrbedd, maybe, who knows | 21:05 |
| gabrbedd | smoku: That's exactly what I'm saying. | 21:05 |
| smoku | let's use the proven os, put compatibility layer on top, put meego sticker and ship :) | 21:06 |
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| dm8tbr | that's pretty much what it seems to be, yes | 21:07 |
| Venemo | smoku, gabrbedd was talking the other way around, eg. why didn't they make MeeGo core out of Harmattan. is that right gabrbedd? | 21:07 |
| * dm8tbr will keep smoku's statement as a quote around ;) | 21:07 | |
| gabrbedd | Last year when MeeGo started... the strategy for Handset seemed to be to dump Maemo and re-invent everything with the MTF. | 21:07 |
| gabrbedd | Venemo: right. | 21:07 |
| smoku | oh. | 21:07 |
| smoku | that's easy. Maemo core is inferior to the designed MeeGo core | 21:08 |
| gabrbedd | I think it would have made more sense to make Maemo a MeeGo base and evolve from there. | 21:08 |
| smoku | see my comment on RPM for example | 21:08 |
| Aard | Venemo: the handset _after_ n9 would have been based on meego core, meego core was too unstable last year | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | you guys need to understand corporate inertia | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | it takes TIME for descisions to be made | 21:08 |
| Venemo | Aard, ah, I understand | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | and for them to trickle down | 21:08 |
| Venemo | smoku, what is your comment on RPM? | 21:08 |
| TSCHAKeee | Harmattan was already in the advanced stages of development when MeeGo was announced. | 21:09 |
| Venemo | yeah | 21:09 |
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| Aard | Venemo: if you look at meego 1.1/1.2 development you'll see that we've been working on putting all the stuff needed to rebase harmattan in place | 21:09 |
| Venemo | then why did those "advanced" stages require one more year? | 21:09 |
| thiago | Venemo: it did | 21:09 |
| Jaffa | Venemo: That's a different question | 21:10 |
| Venemo | all right, don't take this the wrong way | 21:10 |
| gabrbedd | smoku: I like RPM, too... but I don't think switching from DEB to RPM doesn't require re-writing all your libs. | 21:10 |
| Venemo | I adore what you accomplised with Harmattan, especially the UX | 21:10 |
| thiago | gabrbedd: just your entire build and integration system | 21:10 |
| smoku | gabrbedd, people working on MeeGo had a chance to leave Moblin and Maemo legacy behind and build a new system, not repeating their errors. and IMO they did it well. | 21:10 |
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| smoku | gabrbedd, and yes. they did new errors like introducing MTF, but most of these were already retracted :D | 21:12 |
| gabrbedd | thiago: Yes. Which is a mite better than that PLUS all your code. :-) | 21:12 |
| Venemo | thiago, or just reuse the build and integration system from an already existing RPM-based distro, such as Fedora | 21:12 |
| thiago | Venemo: or OBS | 21:12 |
| thiago | Venemo: it still requires doing | 21:12 |
| Venemo | thiago, as a matter of fact, the exact same thing happened. MeeGo adapted OBS from OpenSuse, | 21:12 |
| Aard | smoku: exactly, and for harmattan userland this unfortunately means that a rebase is a bit more complicated -- for example, meego uses ofono, while harmattan still uses the old nokia cellular stack. it didn't make sense to rush that transition with the harmattan base solid -- as long as the main application apis are compatible | 21:12 |
| Venemo | yeah | 21:12 |
| thiago | Venemo: and since Harmattan was about to be released, this change wasn't made | 21:12 |
| Venemo | :) | 21:13 |
| Venemo | Aard, thiago, anyway, you have done well. esp. your UX team should be very proud | 21:13 |
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| Aard | Venemo: I didn't do much with harmattan, I'm almost fulltime working on MeeGo ;) | 21:14 |
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| Venemo | Aard, okay, I wasn't aware :) | 21:14 |
| TSCHAKeee | Aard: how many are in the bull pen with you? | 21:14 |
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| Aard | TSCHAKeee: there never have been many contributing directly to meego. for the few people doing work we managed quite a lot, though ;) | 21:15 |
| Venemo | also, give my congrats to the Harmattan marketing team as well. after reading their blah-blah on swipe.nokia.com, I really got to like the N9 and N950 :) | 21:15 |
| * Stskeeps|holiday yawns | 21:15 | |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps|holiday :) | 21:15 |
| Venemo | having a nice holiday? :) | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | dm8tbr: 'X hw adaption for meego'? | 21:16 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | Venemo: yes, beer and sun | 21:16 |
| smoku | byt the addiction called... ;-) | 21:16 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps|holiday: a bit awkward but getting closer, yes | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | dm8tbr: i could live with that personally | 21:17 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps|holiday: yes, I am reasonably happy with it as stated. didn't expect it to fly after that long silence. | 21:17 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps|holiday: last bit will be to get an ok for something like forMeeGo.tld | 21:18 |
| dm8tbr | that would be icing on the cake | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | dm8tbr: i am idly wondering how apps are supposed to be named.. | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | X for meego? | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | dm8tbr: like, compliant aps | 21:19 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps|holiday: that's out of my scope, I'm looking at hw adaptation ;) | 21:19 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps|holiday: yes, realized that after 10s ;) | 21:19 |
| Venemo | Aard, so, are you on the hw adaptation team, or another one at Nokia? (Or are you doing something you're not allowed to talk about?) | 21:19 |
| smoku | with KDE/GNOME naming apps is easy. just slap K/G at the beginning and you're done. ev. replace leading C with K | 21:20 |
| Aard | Venemo: I'm in the application team | 21:20 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: but there they don't play with my pony | 21:20 |
| Venemo | Aard, as in, you're responsible for the reference apps? | 21:20 |
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| Aard | no, intel does reference apps. I am (was, got a bit less the last months) responsible for some of the middleware reference apps (and harmattan apps) use | 21:21 |
| smoku | Stskeeps, how much 'holiday' are you? | 21:21 |
| smoku | osc build just barked on me ;-) | 21:21 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps|holiday, we sill can't use jogglerformeego.img | 21:22 |
| smoku | vgrade, shouldn't it be meegoforjoggler? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | smoku: i'd send you a picture of me in a grass field, sun, beer but gprs.. | 21:22 |
| dm8tbr | vgrade: why? | 21:23 |
| smoku | Stskeeps|holiday, ok. have fun then :D | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | dm8tbr: anyway, a mental twister: is meego on top of mesa gallium llvmpipe compliant? | 21:23 |
| vgrade | according to the lf tm stuff meego can't be used in a product name | 21:23 |
| Ulf_ | Stskeeps! | 21:23 |
| thiago | Stskeeps|holiday: why not? if it provides OpenGL ES 2 API | 21:23 |
| Venemo | Aard, nice :) | 21:23 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | lo Ulf_ | 21:23 |
| Ulf_ | Stskeeps|holiday, have a beer for me ;) | 21:24 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps|holiday: as we know it's only compliant if it runs on intel chips or nokia hardware... :p | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | Ulf_: way ahead of you ;) | 21:24 |
| Ulf_ | argh | 21:24 |
| * Ulf_ is jealous :-)) | 21:24 | |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | thiago: could think performance maybe, but then again we dont dictate that | 21:25 |
| thiago | llvmpipe has a good performance | 21:26 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | :nod: | 21:26 |
| Venemo | I thought llvmpipe was for multi-core desktop processors | 21:26 |
| Venemo | and it performs marginally even there | 21:27 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | for quake maybe, but for qml like stuff it might be just fine | 21:28 |
| Venemo | hmm | 21:28 |
| Venemo | that makes sense | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | i mean, see vgrades tegra2 vids | 21:28 |
| thiago | it's faster on multicore, but it works on single-core too | 21:28 |
| Venemo | but I wounder how long the battery would last when you tax the CPU with llvmpipes | 21:28 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | Venemo: display on is slightly worse sinner in most cases | 21:29 |
| thiago | about as long as you'd have if you taxed it with the Qt raster painting engine | 21:29 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | but yeah, gles helps | 21:29 |
| thiago | if you can't access the GL hardware, the CPU will be used | 21:29 |
| Venemo | mhm | 21:30 |
| Venemo | and how would that affect multi-tasking performance? | 21:30 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, why don't we just invent a word? if enough ports were calling themselves i.e. "FooBar for Something" it would finally stick, and crowd will know that if they want unblessed MeeGo adaptation, they need to google for FooBar ;-) | 21:31 |
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| Aard | 'warez for MeeGo'? :p | 21:31 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: that's what I was trying to avoid so far. as that would probably make it much harder to get any sort of support from MeeGo | 21:32 |
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| dm8tbr | smoku: oh, you have a problem with Foobar? well foobar is not compliant, go to them, play with the kids in their sandbox! (while the bug could be actually grave and aplicable to meego) | 21:32 |
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| smoku | support from MeeGo? you're are such an optimist :D | 21:33 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: you may call me don quixcote | 21:33 |
| * timoph makes a note to remember dm8tbr's new name | 21:34 | |
| timoph | :) | 21:34 |
| dm8tbr | DonQuixote de la MeeGo :D | 21:34 |
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| Stskeeps|holiday | HW Skunkworks for MeeGo? | 21:35 |
| * dm8tbr should get business cards printed with that... | 21:35 | |
| smoku | dm8tbr, isn't the exact approach you are describing taken for Harmattan? see the "where should I report Harmattan bugs?" thread on meego-dev | 21:35 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: see mee sending people to #meego and #meego-arm if they have #harmattan questions... | 21:36 |
| smoku | dm8tbr, you report harmattan bugs to nokia, and if they are also meego bugs nokia will report them upstream | 21:36 |
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| smoku | dm8tbr, you report foobar bugs to someone, and if they are meego bugs someone reports them upstream | 21:37 |
| dm8tbr | smoku: yes, that's also IIRC sort of the spirit/wording on my bug13516 page | 21:37 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13516 nor, Undecided, ---, brian.warner, RESO FIXED, Proposal: Allow MeeGo trademark usage in form of "<X>, a MeeGo R&D project" | 21:37 |
| smoku | where upstream == MeeGo | 21:37 |
| dm8tbr | sorry I meant: http://bug10738.openaos.org/ | 21:37 |
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| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10738 nor, Undecided, ---, tero.kojo, NEED, Meego community ftp server or similar needed | 21:37 |
| dm8tbr | "You will not file bugs in the official bugzilla against those images! Please turn to the creator of the image or the community working on the specific hardware adaptation to discuss issues you encounter. " | 21:37 |
| smoku | I know that for most of the issues (not related to specific hardware adapted for) the intermediary is unneded, as we usually have basically unmodified MeeGo released binaries, but this is obviously the stance MeeGo devs are taking | 21:38 |
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| dm8tbr | smoku: sure the if-you-are-really-really-sure way will be 'don't mention how you find it' or if you have time quickly pipe it through a qemu install... | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | smoku: even for n900 it first gets passed to us to triage before we establish its a global issue | 21:39 |
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| smoku | I already had hard time reporting problems if I couldn't give an official build number | 21:40 |
| smoku | "how do you expect us to reproduce it if you are using custom built image???!" | 21:40 |
| * dm8tbr facepalms hard | 21:40 | |
| smoku | Stskeeps|holiday, don't get me wrong. I understand the reasoning for this workflow. | 21:41 |
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| smoku | it's just hard to get it for people working for open source projects only so far | 21:41 |
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| smoku | "We are not the Open Source project, you are thinking off..." | 21:42 |
| smoku | once you get past it, things tend to get obvious :) | 21:42 |
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| smoku | other thing people don't usually get at the first glance and get frustrated at is that MeeGo is not a boxed product | 21:44 |
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| smoku | the primary audience of the MeeGo Project understand this well | 21:44 |
| dm8tbr | it's more like ikea, and mic2 is the replacement for the hex-wrench ;) | 21:44 |
| smoku | but the average bypassed (especially free software geek) has got to get many WTFs | 21:45 |
| smoku | s/passed/passer/ | 21:45 |
| infobot | smoku meant: but the average bypasser (especially free software geek) has got to get many WTFs | 21:45 |
| smoku | DawnFoster, ^^^ maybe you should think of a few explanations for average joe on meego.com? | 21:46 |
| smoku | as the journalists usually get MeeGo wrong also | 21:46 |
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| CosmoHill | police intercepters on channel five for anyone interested | 22:00 |
| smoku | osc build fails to setup a build environment with: | 22:01 |
| smoku | running bzip2-x86-arm postinstall script | 22:01 |
| smoku | chroot: failed to run command `sh': Exec format error | 22:01 |
| smoku | any ideas? | 22:01 |
| thiago | wrong target | 22:01 |
| thiago | you can't run a binary for another arch | 22:01 |
| smoku | that's what I see | 22:03 |
| smoku | It copied qemu there wirhout errors, though.. :/ | 22:03 |
| smoku | copying qemu | 22:03 |
| smoku | /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static | 22:03 |
| smoku | registering binfmt handlers | 22:03 |
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| delac | Why doesn't MapMouseArea (QML) have onPositionChanged signal on Meego, while it does have it on the Qt Simulator? Both are using Qt Mobility 1.2. | 22:06 |
| smoku | "osc chroot armv8el" fails aswell :/ | 22:06 |
| beford | qemu-static-arm is static right? :P | 22:07 |
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| smoku | > LANG=POSIX ldd /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static | 22:11 |
| smoku | not a dynamic executable | 22:11 |
| smoku | osc --debug nor --verbose does not help much :/ | 22:11 |
| CosmoHill | try "file /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static | 22:11 |
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| smoku | ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, for GNU/Linux 2.6.4, not stripped | 22:13 |
| smoku | and it works fine when launched | 22:13 |
| Stskeeps|holiday | smoku: /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc or smth | 22:14 |
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| smoku | I think there may be a problem with registering binfmt handler | 22:14 |
| smoku | but it does not error on this | 22:14 |
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| smoku | ls /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc/ is empty even after "registering binfmt handlers" | 22:15 |
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| smoku | ok. binfmt_misc is not mounted <facepalm> | 22:17 |
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| smoku | strange. when I mounted binfmt_misc i don't see "registering binfmt handlers" anymore and it still doesn't work :/ | 22:28 |
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| EliteTecke | Hi I have already installed meego to my n900's emmc before. | 22:45 |
| EliteTecke | But what I was wondering if I could dual boot it with maemo on separate partitions on the emmc.? | 22:45 |
| EliteTecke | I already have Maemo, Power 64 and Android dual booting from the emmc and it works just fine. | 22:45 |
| EliteTecke | Is this possible to do with meego? | 22:45 |
| EliteTecke | Thanks much appreciated and I use backup menu for my current setup.:) | 22:45 |
| EliteTecke | I did post this in channel meego-handset but got no response. | 22:45 |
| EliteTecke | Thanks.:) | 22:46 |
| CosmoHill | IIRC maemo is on the device itself, not the memory card | 22:47 |
| EliteTecke | Yes. | 22:47 |
| EliteTecke | Of course. | 22:47 |
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| EliteTecke | I am just wondering if the process is the same. | 22:47 |
| EliteTecke | For installing android to the n900. | 22:48 |
| EliteTecke | emmc | 22:48 |
| * CosmoHill wouldn't know | 22:48 | |
| EliteTecke | The internal storage is the emmc | 22:48 |
| EliteTecke | . | 22:48 |
| EliteTecke | :) | 22:48 |
| CosmoHill | I do know that bit | 22:48 |
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| EliteTecke | Well maemo is the default os. | 22:49 |
| EliteTecke | So of course it is on the device itself.:) | 22:49 |
| EliteTecke | Why would it be on the sd card. | 22:49 |
| EliteTecke | >< | 22:49 |
| EliteTecke | I'll see what I can do. | 22:49 |
| EliteTecke | I was just checking here first. | 22:50 |
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| EliteTecke | Also why can't you load files onto meego. | 22:50 |
| EliteTecke | Via usb. | 22:50 |
| EliteTecke | It just fails at the desktop gui. | 22:50 |
| EliteTecke | It doesn't connect. | 22:50 |
| EliteTecke | So I had to use the meego recovery in ram. | 22:51 |
| EliteTecke | To cp the files across. | 22:51 |
| EliteTecke | And it still wouldn't see them. | 22:51 |
| EliteTecke | In the media file manager or player. | 22:51 |
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| EliteTecke | I don't get why this is the case. | 22:51 |
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| EliteTecke | I can only assume the configuration from scanning directories is still. | 22:52 |
| EliteTecke | Based of the sdcard. | 22:52 |
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| EliteTecke | And yet there is a home/meego directory. | 22:52 |
| EliteTecke | So I am puzzled by this. | 22:52 |
| EliteTecke | It picks up the default music file in the music folder.] | 22:52 |
| EliteTecke | That comes with meego ce | 22:52 |
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| EliteTecke | My music were in folders but I can't see that being much of an issue. | 22:53 |
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| dm8tbr | EliteTecke: let me guess your music are mp3 files? | 22:55 |
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| alterego | He | 22:55 |
| alterego | h | 22:55 |
| alterego | heh | 22:55 |
| blauzahl | is there a way i can find out easily what Qt flags meego Qt is compiled with? | 22:55 |
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| hiemanshu | dm8tbr: mp3 is not supported? | 22:57 |
| EliteTecke | ogg and mp3. | 22:57 |
| EliteTecke | Non worked or were even found. | 22:57 |
| dm8tbr | hiemanshu: pretty sure it isn't | 22:58 |
| EliteTecke | Then what does it support then? | 22:58 |
| dm8tbr | hiemanshu: something about patents, licensing and things | 22:58 |
| hiemanshu | right | 22:58 |
| dm8tbr | ogg/vorbis ogg/theora | 22:58 |
| EliteTecke | My pictures I take from the camera don't show either. | 22:58 |
| hiemanshu | so all my iTunes music wont work :/ | 22:58 |
| EliteTecke | And they are there. | 22:58 |
| dm8tbr | EliteTecke: you put them in ~/Music | 22:58 |
| EliteTecke | I checked. | 22:58 |
| EliteTecke | Yes of course. | 22:58 |
| EliteTecke | I do know how to use a Linux based os and its directories properly. | 22:59 |
| dm8tbr | it works fine for videos | 22:59 |
| dm8tbr | well the players are jailed in those directories so to say, not everyone expects that | 22:59 |
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| dm8tbr | haven't checked if subdirectories work | 23:00 |
| EliteTecke | Well I am going to have a crack at installing it to a separate partition. | 23:00 |
| EliteTecke | On the emmc. | 23:00 |
| dm8tbr | that could work, you'll need to adjust the kernel cmdline | 23:00 |
| EliteTecke | I know. | 23:00 |
| EliteTecke | I finally got an answer in meego-handset channel. | 23:01 |
| dm8tbr | if you succeed, add a note to the emmc install page. I'm sure someone will appreciate it | 23:01 |
| EliteTecke | Yeah will do. | 23:01 |
| dm8tbr | for n900 things #meego-arm is your best bet btw | 23:01 |
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| EliteTecke | Ah okay. | 23:01 |
| EliteTecke | Thanks.:) | 23:01 |
| dm8tbr | np | 23:01 |
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| EliteTecke | I have installed it to the emmc just not on a separate partition before. | 23:02 |
| EliteTecke | Like I have done with Android/Nitdroid port in the past.:) | 23:02 |
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| EliteTecke | I haven't managed to get xbmc working on top of meego yet. | 23:04 |
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| dm8tbr | I hope that uses top2fs or whatever his nick was optimizations | 23:05 |
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| ShadowJK | What were/are top2fs optimizations? | 23:07 |
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| dm8tbr | he spent last summer of code tweaking xbmc for the beagleboard | 23:09 |
| dm8tbr | I hear most of his work recently went upstream | 23:09 |
| EliteTecke | What would best for meego. | 23:10 |
| EliteTecke | ext3 or ext4? | 23:10 |
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| EliteTecke | I'll go for ext3. | 23:10 |
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| waa | hi | 23:10 |
| ShadowJK | meegoce doesn't play video properly with the built in video player and sample media, so.. | 23:10 |
| EliteTecke | Hi | 23:10 |
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| dm8tbr | ShadowJK: correct :( | 23:10 |
| dm8tbr | someone said there was a (partial?) fix though | 23:11 |
| EliteTecke | I can see that could be possible. | 23:11 |
| waa | MeeGo Tablet Developer Preview v 1.2 not have applications close buttons, is there a way to enable it by software | 23:11 |
| ShadowJK | From the corruption it looks like it tries to play stuff through sgx, which is another wtf. | 23:11 |
| EliteTecke | Ah you need to compile sgx then yourself. | 23:12 |
| EliteTecke | That's how one person got xbmc to run. | 23:12 |
| dm8tbr | waa: it's part of the design philosophy. a physical home button is required | 23:12 |
| dm8tbr | EliteTecke: you can't. sgx is closed source | 23:12 |
| EliteTecke | Someone claimed they did. | 23:12 |
| EliteTecke | Dunno where they got the source then. | 23:12 |
| * dm8tbr doubts that | 23:12 | |
| dm8tbr | there are only a small handfull of people who have it, comes with a pile of NDA | 23:13 |
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| ShadowJK | And you wouldn't want to play video through sgx? | 23:14 |
| ShadowJK | it'd be sloow | 23:15 |
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| gabrbedd | waa: No there is not really a way to enable them. However... | 23:24 |
| gabrbedd | waa: If you hit the "Meta" button (aka windows key, aka top left corner thingie on exopc)... you'll get a task switcher. | 23:24 |
| gabrbedd | waa: that lats you switch between apps. | 23:25 |
| gabrbedd | waa: If you press and hold on an icon, you'll get a context menu where you can close out the app. | 23:25 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, bug 13084 | 23:28 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13084 maj, Medium, ---, carsten, ASSI, [n900] Horizontal tearing with xvimagesink | 23:28 |
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| CosmoHill | ARM will be on bbc2 and bbc HD | 23:33 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: congrats, how is mrs lcuk and the little one? | 23:33 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, 4 hours and 2 paracetamol. | 23:33 |
| lcuk | she is still in shock | 23:33 |
| waa | gabrbedd, dm8tbr thanks | 23:34 |
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| ShadowJK | working xv is going to be needed for more than 240p I think :/ | 23:40 |
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| lcuk | ShadowJK, fix the bug then please | 23:43 |
| lcuk | (if you know how or who can do it)! | 23:43 |
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| julienf | hello hello :) | 23:46 |
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| vgrade | julienf, evenign | 23:50 |
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| thebootroo | hell o! | 23:54 |
| thebootroo | i've pushed another update to my mobile UX repos ! | 23:54 |
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| thebootroo | a lockscreen | 23:55 |
| thebootroo | http://img4.hostingpics.net/pics/516037MeeGoNewKickAssUX003.png | 23:55 |
| thebootroo | with vertical slider | 23:55 |
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| thebootroo | and more : all of that is entirely stylable with plain CSS | 23:55 |
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