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| CosmoHill | my right laptop is connected to the left monitor | 01:23 |
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| phl0x81 | no Jesus today? ;) | 01:24 |
| CosmoHill | I got an east bunny, does that count? | 01:24 |
| Jartza | at least west bunnies don't know how to count | 01:25 |
| phl0x81 | I was referring to the daily spam message of #meego ;P | 01:25 |
| berndhs | eastern easter is on the same day as western easter this year | 01:26 |
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| ketas | where did the bunny go | 01:27 |
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| kahless | ketas: here: http://www.isnichwahr.de/r15084835-ostern-faellt-heuer-aus.html (easter is canceled) | 01:34 |
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| vit1251 | hi all | 02:16 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 02:16 |
| vit1251 | i am have trouble with megoo | 02:17 |
| vit1251 | i am have 3Q Qoo! nettop computer based at Intel Atom | 02:17 |
| vit1251 | with 4 cpu | 02:17 |
| vit1251 | and can't reinstall megoo | 02:18 |
| vit1251 | i am try to install and after complete all step i have blck screen infinitly | 02:18 |
| vit1251 | after Ctrl+Alt+Del I am have a infinite loader screen | 02:18 |
| vit1251 | but system reaction to Ctrl+Alt+Del | 02:19 |
| vit1251 | what is it? how to show a console screen by load? | 02:19 |
| vit1251 | how to diagnostic? | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | have you ever install meego on this device before? | 02:19 |
| vit1251 | no | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | so it's a first install, new a reinstall | 02:19 |
| CosmoHill | does this device have an Intel graphics card? | 02:19 |
| vit1251 | i dont konw. but installation working in grapic mode. | 02:20 |
| CosmoHill | look up your device online and it should tell you what graphics card it has | 02:20 |
| vit1251 | i am reinstall Megoo at ext3 partion | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | the FS won't affect the graphics issue | 02:21 |
| CosmoHill | vit1251: does the device has an Nvidia or Ati sticker on it? | 02:21 |
| vit1251 | i am dont konw how to look video card (http://www.3-q.ru/qoo/) | 02:22 |
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| CosmoHill | Графический адаптер NVIDIA ION | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | (Full HD Video 1080p) | 02:22 |
| vit1251 | yes @ site have nVidia ION card | 02:22 |
| CosmoHill | you're device isn't supported by MeeGo | 02:22 |
| vit1251 | but I am loking MeGoo after buy at this dev? how it possible? | 02:23 |
| CosmoHill | it will be up to you to get Meego working with Nvidia drivers | 02:23 |
| vit1251 | how to do work MeGoo with nvidia ion | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | no idea | 02:24 |
| vit1251 | installation is working so good! why i am have some trouble with this | 02:24 |
| CosmoHill | MeeGo does not support Nvidia graphics chips. | 02:25 |
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| CosmoHill | vit1251: you can boot into command line mood by replace "quite" with "3" at the boot menu | 02:28 |
| vit1251 | how to get boot menu | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | it should flash up when you turn the computer on | 02:29 |
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| vit1251 | i am have only blue screen without any cahr | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/meego-gdm-fbfu.jpg | 02:30 |
| CosmoHill | it looks like the blue screen at the top | 02:30 |
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| vit1251 | http://files.vitold.org/file/view/81 | 02:35 |
| vit1251 | look this screen | 02:35 |
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| CosmoHill | no text? | 02:37 |
| CosmoHill | it looks like your boot loader might have failed | 02:37 |
| vit1251 | how to disable this stupid loader splash image | 02:38 |
| CosmoHill | could try pressing escape | 02:39 |
| vit1251 | ok i am try | 02:39 |
| vit1251 | wait a sec | 02:39 |
| CosmoHill | even if you get your boot loader working you'll only be able to use MeeGo in command line | 02:39 |
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| CosmoHill | hey TSCHAKeee | 02:40 |
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| vit1251 | culd not framebuffer: no souch device | 02:42 |
| vit1251 | i am loading in syslinux without quite and vga=current | 02:43 |
| vit1251 | what is a Nvidia ION? | 02:43 |
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| CosmoHill | vit1251: it's an Nvidia graphics card built into the processor die | 02:43 |
| CosmoHill | so you have one chip with Intel Atom and Nvidia on it | 02:44 |
| vit1251 | and world have not a driver for this monster? | 02:44 |
| CosmoHill | yeah, it's just MeeGo doesn't support it | 02:45 |
| CosmoHill | Ubuntu should support it | 02:45 |
| vit1251 | ok... i am can get this driver and ./configure ; make it? | 02:46 |
| Venemo | Linux supports hybrid graphics very poorly | 02:46 |
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| Venemo | if it is Optimus, then you're pretty much out of luck | 02:47 |
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| CosmoHill | vit1251: if you want MeeGo to work on an ION chip you're going to have to do all the leg work yourself | 02:48 |
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| vit1251 | ok, i am have not network and video and other dev | 03:01 |
| vit1251 | stupid vendor | 03:01 |
| vit1251 | i am can't use this hardware | 03:01 |
| vit1251 | i am return it back on tusday | 03:01 |
| vit1251 | thanx for heling | 03:02 |
| CosmoHill | IIRC the Vendor supports Windows 7 | 03:02 |
| vit1251 | buy | 03:02 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 03:02 |
| vit1251 | i am have not free license to Windows 7 on this stupid device | 03:02 |
| vit1251 | i am buy this with custom MeGoo build (how they buil it?) | 03:03 |
| CosmoHill | there's a list of supported devices on meego.com if you'd like to check that out | 03:04 |
| vit1251 | megoo support this but this stupid mego building | 03:06 |
| vit1251 | look at label on box http://files.vitold.org/file/view/82 | 03:06 |
| CosmoHill | is there a vendor specific MeeGo build? | 03:07 |
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| sofar | lolsticker | 03:07 |
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| sofar | vldcnst: a sticker doesn't mean anything | 03:07 |
| vldcnst | sofar: sticker? | 03:08 |
| CosmoHill | vldcnst: "label" | 03:08 |
| * vldcnst confused. | 03:08 | |
| sofar | yeah, the image you posted shows a sticker/label with the word "meego-330" | 03:08 |
| vldcnst | I did no such thing | 03:08 |
| sofar | wrong nick sorry | 03:09 |
| sofar | vit1251: a sticker doesn't mean anything | 03:09 |
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| sofar | vit1251: meego.com does not make hardware. please contact your hardware provider and ask them for the source code & information on how to rebuild it | 03:10 |
| sofar | also, what system is it? who sells it? | 03:10 |
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| CosmoHill | sofar: scrool up to the q-3 link | 03:11 |
| sofar | well cool | 03:12 |
| sofar | still doesn't say much lol | 03:12 |
| sofar | Международная выставка потребительской | 03:12 |
| sofar | электроники Consumer Electronics & Photo Expo | 03:12 |
| sofar | sweet | 03:12 |
| sofar | whatever that is :) | 03:12 |
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| CosmoHill | *points | 03:13 |
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| berndhs | it looks shiny | 03:14 |
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| sofar | shrug, still no links to what version of meego it apparently comes with | 03:14 |
| CosmoHill | or any referece to meego | 03:15 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.laptopdrv.net/2011/03/05/the-company-released-3q-colorful-thin-notebooks-qoo-clutch-and-sprint/ | 03:16 |
| CosmoHill | says it will come pre-loaded with MeeGo | 03:17 |
| CosmoHill | different device, same company | 03:17 |
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| vit1251 | i am write to tech-help 3-q and i am waitihg answer | 03:33 |
| sofar | cool, let us know what they say :) | 03:34 |
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| xiambax | who said my name? | 04:02 |
| xiambax | oh tyi675546, For your information I just got back from Church. Just like I do every other sunday. But don't go around to channels spamming your narrow minded nonsense. You make the rest of us look like fucking retards | 04:03 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 04:05 |
| CosmoHill | xiambax: it's a bot | 04:06 |
| CosmoHill | been doing it the last 2 / 3 days | 04:06 |
| CosmoHill | just make sure you don't accept any files it sends to you | 04:06 |
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| xiambax | Is it awful that as a christian I despise most other christians? | 04:07 |
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| raster | meep | 04:41 |
| sofar | hey raster | 04:43 |
| raster | sofar: hideyho | 04:44 |
| araujo | raster! | 04:44 |
| sofar | <- auke, in case you didn't know | 04:45 |
| raster | araujo: blargh! | 04:45 |
| raster | sofar: i didn't :) | 04:46 |
| sofar | signed on from home... enjoynig the end of the weekend (I shouldn't be here) | 04:46 |
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| gabriel9 | howdy | 05:11 |
| gabriel9 | can anyone help me about black screen so i can start coding killer aps for meego :) | 05:12 |
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| beford | sure, black screen when? | 05:24 |
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| gabriel9 | when booting | 05:30 |
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| gabriel9 | last thing i get is SYSLINUX 4.00 ... | 05:31 |
| araujo | yeah, there is a bug in latest images booting up to black screen ..... | 05:31 |
| gabriel9 | :/ | 05:31 |
| gabriel9 | what to do now? | 05:31 |
| beford | gabriel9, what device are you using? | 05:32 |
| araujo | gabriel9, which platform are using? | 05:32 |
| araujo | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15392 | 05:32 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 15392 nor, High, ---, carsten, NEW, [N900] Black screen always displays when trying to boot up N900. | 05:32 |
| beford | syslinux doesnt seems like a n90 0for me | 05:32 |
| araujo | gabriel9, you could follow or report there .... | 05:33 |
| araujo | that is fine, we are always interested to know if it happens in other platforms too | 05:33 |
| gabriel9 | ok, i will test it more and give you my report | 05:33 |
| araujo | (as this is probably not related to syslinux anyway) | 05:33 |
| araujo | thanks | 05:33 |
| beford | I know but he could be using unsopported hardware too | 05:34 |
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| pixelgeek_ | CosmoHill: There are a couple of Russian netbook companies shipping MeeGo now (although this is the first time I've heard of this one) | 06:53 |
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| pixelgeek_ | They use third party OSVs to tweak MeeGo for their hardware. | 06:53 |
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| pixelgeek_ | Ah - it looks like vit1251 just posted on the Russian 3Q Qoo forum :) | 06:57 |
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| beford | how hard it would be to get a .ks for ion? | 06:58 |
| beford | I mean isn't it just adding the nvidia blob rpm? | 06:58 |
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| pixelgeek_ | Maybe | 07:04 |
| pixelgeek_ | I can't tell what graphic chip the iRu netbook has - http://www.iru.ru/notebook/iru-intro-102-598880/ | 07:06 |
| pixelgeek_ | That's the other Russian netbook I know of shipping with MeeGo | 07:06 |
| beford | Intel GMA-315 | 07:07 |
| beford | netbook UX I guess? | 07:08 |
| pixelgeek_ | Yes | 07:08 |
| pixelgeek_ | Although I haven't seen it, but I can't imagine it would be anything else | 07:09 |
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| rtyler | any folks online running 1.1 on an n900 successfully? (whereas success means the device can make calls, idle, etc :)) | 08:07 |
| RST38h | lol. | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but try the DE images instead | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | more recent | 08:10 |
| rtyler | DE? | 08:11 |
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| rtyler | dev preview? | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | grab the alpha | 08:11 |
| rtyler | from some youtube videos I was checking out, one can boot from the SD card to run the meego preview right? | 08:12 |
| rtyler | I don't want to OpenMoko my n900 and no longer be able to make calls xD | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC | 08:13 |
| rtyler | muchos gracias | 08:13 |
| rtyler | now if you somehow have a wiki link that let's me turn this garbage android ARM tablet into a less-garbage meego tablet, I'll send hookers and beer to your residence | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | married, not interested in hookers. beer however.. | 08:14 |
| RST38h | likely not. | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | rtyler: if it is a armv7-a tablet, try to boot it yourself | 08:15 |
| rtyler | hm | 08:16 |
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| TheLegace | well i mean the advent vega tablet seemed to run Meego kinda crappy what was issue there? | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | no gles2/egl | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | tablet ux ran rather nice | 08:19 |
| rtyler | "Infotmic X210 ARM11 @ 800Mhz" | 08:19 |
| TheLegace | hmm really, i cant wait to get a g tablet or something and try to run it | 08:19 |
| rtyler | who knows what kind of ARM this craplet is running | 08:19 |
| rtyler | http://www.androidtablets.net/forum/gome-flytouch-ii/1310-gome-flytouch-2-infotmic-x210-10-android-2-1-tablet-description.html | 08:19 |
| * rtyler chuckles at this junk | 08:19 | |
| TheLegace | well i mean theres lots of junk | 08:20 |
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| rtyler | time to find my microSD card reader | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | arm11 is like armv6 | 08:20 |
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| rtyler | drats | 08:21 |
| rtyler | both regarding ARM, and can't seem to find my micro SD card reader | 08:21 |
| rtyler | Stskeeps: heh, this wiki page has instructions for creating the image on the card from the n900 too | 08:22 |
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| Stskeeps | rtyler: use from pc, in essence, bunzip2 image and dd it to sd card (full device, not partition) | 08:23 |
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| Stskeeps | and then load kernel with flasher, load, not flash | 08:23 |
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| * rtyler nods | 08:24 | |
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| rtyler | Stskeeps: armv7h1 or armv71 | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | hl | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | grab alpha release from DeveloperEdition page | 08:45 |
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| rtyler | aye | 08:46 |
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| lcuk | \o good morning | 11:09 |
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| Myrtti | meh | 11:11 |
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| lcuk | Myrtti, not had coffee yet? | 11:16 |
| lbt | hey lcuk | 11:16 |
| * lbt sips his coffee and grins 'cos the sun is shining | 11:16 | |
| lcuk | the sun was shining at the airport yesterday lbt | 11:17 |
| lbt | and what were you doing there? | 11:17 |
| Myrtti | lcuk: no, but I don't think any amount of coffee will erase the grumpiness of going to bed at midnight, waking up to the noise of pistachios being shelled after two hours of sleep and then staying awake for good four to five hours | 11:17 |
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| lbt | pistachios are *so* noisy.... did you slap the monkey? | 11:18 |
| Myrtti | I bet she would've slapped me back | 11:18 |
| Myrtti | so I didn't venture there | 11:18 |
| Myrtti | also: it's too hot :-( I want to live in Antarctica | 11:19 |
| lbt | not fun being tired like that though - I sympathise | 11:19 |
| lbt | you're in Finland and it's too hot... *g* | 11:20 |
| lcuk | lbt, watching the planes taking off | 11:20 |
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| lcuk | there is a full observation park around the concorde hanger | 11:20 |
| Myrtti | lbt: I'm Finnish, I'm not used to it being +20C in April | 11:21 |
| lbt | lcuk: ah... did you take big sticks to point out the planes? | 11:21 |
| Myrtti | in fact, I'm not used to it being +20C or over. | 11:21 |
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| lcuk | lbt, no need, they were close enough to see anyway, was amazing | 11:21 |
| lbt | Myrtti: ...... close your eyes and pretend it's a sauna ..... then complain it's too cold! | 11:21 |
| lcuk | jake is normally nervous around the noise | 11:21 |
| lcuk | but he had a great time | 11:22 |
| lbt | cool - turning him into an engineer then? | 11:22 |
| Myrtti | lbt: I don't like sauna that much either... | 11:22 |
| lbt | hmmm .... go paddling in a fountain? | 11:23 |
| lcuk | lbt, I was as much in awe at the scale of things | 11:26 |
| lcuk | a massive cargo jet from China fles in whilst we were there | 11:28 |
| lcuk | flew* | 11:28 |
| lcuk | some little kid was explaining it was the biggest plane in the world, everyone was giggling | 11:29 |
| * lcuk grabs todays n900 de | 11:31 | |
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| lcuk | lbt what are you upto today? | 11:48 |
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| lbt | lcuk: automation for DE and Apps | 12:03 |
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| lcuk | cool,is there anything for folks to poke around with and play with? | 12:06 |
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| lcuk | where does cordia dev take place? | 12:09 |
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| lbt | #meego-obs | 12:13 |
| lbt | lcuk: #meego-boss I mean | 12:13 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:14 |
| lcuk | i was mucking around in qt-creator and making some apps | 12:15 |
| lcuk | which menu is it to make packages? | 12:15 |
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| alterego | deploy usually makes packages | 12:18 |
| alterego | and copies them to device. | 12:18 |
| alterego | There's no seperate "package" step in Qt Creator | 12:18 |
| lcuk | alterego, sure, but I had no visible way to configure the elements | 12:19 |
| lcuk | for instance I added data as extra files into the project | 12:19 |
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| alterego | Ah, if you go to the projects' preferences page, it's under the Run section | 12:20 |
| alterego | Then there's a deployment config option where you can change settings regardling the packaging. | 12:20 |
| iekku | hi | 12:20 |
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| lcuk | \o iekku | 12:24 |
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| * lcuk twiddles thumbs whilst dd does its stuff | 12:25 | |
| alterego | I wish DE could connect to adhoc wifi | 12:26 |
| alterego | Then I could hack on it from maemo on my other N900 | 12:26 |
| lcuk | alterego, lardman was saying that meego can connect to adhoc | 12:26 |
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| alterego | Not from the UI though | 12:27 |
| alterego | I'd have to do it manually on the command line. | 12:27 |
| lcuk | but it is the intermediate connman layer that is preventing it. I tried hard a few months ago to try and work out what was happening | 12:27 |
| alterego | Yeah :/ | 12:27 |
| lcuk | it is silly that my maemo n900 and ubuntu laptop can connect via adhoc | 12:27 |
| lcuk | but my meego n900 and meego laptop | 12:27 |
| lcuk | cannot | 12:28 |
| alterego | Ubuntu is really good with it too. | 12:28 |
| alterego | Imagine if MeeGo could do what Ubuntu can as far as setting up an adhoc network and sharing internet connectivity. | 12:28 |
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| lcuk | shockingly, even windows xp can! | 12:29 |
| alterego | Heh | 12:29 |
| arfoll | no adhoc in connman does suck | 12:29 |
| arfoll | although my wetab and nexus one can connect, i'm guessing they ported networkmanager but I couldn't find it when I had a quick look | 12:29 |
| lcuk | bug 440 | 12:29 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=440 enh, Low, ---, sameo, ASSI, Unable to support ad-hoc mode for WiFi | 12:29 |
| lcuk | imported from MOBLIN | 12:30 |
| arfoll | what is a shame is that for netbook linpus ported networkmanager and seems to work quite well but don't seem to share the sources | 12:30 |
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| alterego | I don't see why we have two "network managers" for Linux, | 12:32 |
| alterego | it's such a waste | 12:33 |
| arfoll | there's only two? | 12:33 |
| alterego | Probably more :P | 12:33 |
| arfoll | lol anyways it's meego/moblin's fault if there are two (i know of at least one other - wicd) | 12:34 |
| alterego | I don't know who's idea it was to use connman over network manager though ... | 12:34 |
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| arfoll | alterego,theres a blog post about it from one of the NM devs | 12:34 |
| lcuk | links help | 12:35 |
| tomeu | sometimes, you cannot know how good is a component until you try to rewrite it :) | 12:35 |
| alterego | Yeah, something to do with Novell? :D | 12:35 |
| arfoll | lcuk, i don't have it but it's on the ML | 12:35 |
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| arfoll | alterego, nah people decided NM 0.7 was too much of a hastle and decided to rewrite, when 0.8 did most of what they where missing | 12:36 |
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| alterego | We should have a desktop.org spec for managing networks though. | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | NM is way too big for embedded | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | was a nightmare in Mer | 12:38 |
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| arfoll | but werent you using 0.7 back then? | 12:38 |
| alterego | Maybe someone should write another one then :P | 12:38 |
| arfoll | anyways just cause it's a nightmare still doesn't warrant writting a new one ;-) | 12:39 |
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| * alterego thinks everything should be rewritten at least once every 5 years :D | 12:44 | |
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| alterego | Meego forum is really quiet. | 12:45 |
| alterego | I guess people prefer app up or qt forums .. | 12:46 |
| alterego | And the ML | 12:46 |
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| ali1234 | forums are for end users | 12:53 |
| ali1234 | meego isn't for end users | 12:53 |
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| alterego | Why have a forum then .. | 12:57 |
| tomeu | mailing lists seem to scare people that are new to community-developed software | 12:59 |
| ali1234 | beats me | 13:00 |
| ali1234 | i've never seen a forum with useful and correct posts | 13:00 |
| w00t_ | http://developer.qt.nokia.com/forums isn't too terrible | 13:01 |
| ali1234 | i don't know why anyone uses them other than to generate a lot of noise and make a website seem popular | 13:01 |
| alterego | Sure, but it has the opposite effect for meego :P | 13:02 |
| ali1234 | someone needs to round up some forum trolls then | 13:03 |
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| * lcuk still scratches head at how long dd takes to transfer image | 13:57 | |
| lcuk | I should find a decent upgraded mmc card | 14:04 |
| thiago | pv | 14:04 |
| thiago | that will tell you how long it takes | 14:04 |
| lcuk | I just noticed that using dd to copy the image is ~ 800 kB/s as noted last week sometime | 14:05 |
| lcuk | but then flashing the kernel over was | 14:05 |
| lcuk | Sending kernel image (1889 kB)... | 14:05 |
| lcuk | 100% (1889 of 1889 kB, avg. 17660 kB/s) | 14:05 |
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| thiago | too small to measure | 14:05 |
| lcuk | true | 14:06 |
| lcuk | looks like I will have to try anyway, todays image is a regression | 14:07 |
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| wassupnari | Stskeeps : hello | 14:13 |
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| lcuk | araujo, which images do you normal use for testing builds on n900? | 14:20 |
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| araujo | lcuk, daily testing , lately the armv7hl ... but we have this https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15392 | 14:22 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 15392 nor, High, ---, carsten, NEW, [N900] Black screen always displays when trying to boot up N900. | 14:22 |
| araujo | it happens for me since the latest three images or so .... | 14:23 |
| wassupnari | is there anyone who knows about multi-touch on Tablet UX 1.1.99 armv7hl version? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | tap the screen? | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: qt should support xinput2 now, i believe | 14:24 |
| wassupnari | yeah, I tested xinput test and it worked. | 14:24 |
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| wassupnari | but if i test photo gallery or simple QML application, then pinch gesture doesn't work. :( | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | does labels show correctly? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 14:25 |
| lcuk | araujo, hm I just booted todays n900-de image and gotten same result | 14:25 |
| lcuk | todays -de image is based on the 0422 you reported against | 14:26 |
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| lcuk | ahh not quite | 14:27 |
| lcuk | mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-de-acceptance-1.2.0.0.20110422.3.DE.2011-04-25.1-mmcblk0p | 14:27 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: xinput list --long | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: please pastebin | 14:28 |
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| araujo | lcuk, I was thinking to give a try to the -de image ... :( | 14:30 |
| lcuk | araujo, the DE images look fantastic | 14:30 |
| lcuk | they boot up with splash screen and the theme background is nice :) | 14:31 |
| wassupnari | you mean, paste the result in here? | 14:31 |
| lcuk | wassupnari, no, use pastebin. | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: pastie.org and then the url resulting from that :) | 14:31 |
| wassupnari | oh, i see :) here : pastie.org/1831034 | 14:33 |
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| wassupnari | and i use Atmel maxTouch device | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | thank you, looking.. | 14:34 |
| araujo | lcuk, sounds nice :D | 14:35 |
| wassupnari | and this is the pinch gesture result using mtdev-test tool : pastie.org/1831043 | 14:36 |
| lcuk | araujo, http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de | 14:37 |
| lcuk | I am sure someone knows which is the most functionaly daily image | 14:37 |
| * lcuk cannot remember but they used quite a stable one for the meego fi conf | 14:37 | |
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| Stskeeps | wassupnari: rpm -q --changelog qt | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: pastebin the first 20 lines o so | 14:46 |
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| * lcuk roll eyes at twitter | 14:47 | |
| wassupnari | just "qt"? | 14:48 |
| wassupnari | the result says.. "package qt is not installed" | 14:48 |
| lbt | phaeron: we're not getting SRs in boss | 14:48 |
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| owl | hi | 14:49 |
| lbt | phaeron: mmm : No project or actions in this OBS_SRCSRV_REQUEST_CREATE event | 14:50 |
| wassupnari | Stskeeps : the result says.. "package qt is not installed" | 14:50 |
| phaeron | lbt: maybe the patch is missing ? | 14:51 |
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| Stskeeps | wassupnari: ah. my bad (am on easter holiday and on my nokia n900). use libqtcore4 | 14:52 |
| lbt | phaeron: pointer to the patch (and is it upstream? ISTR it is) | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: that should give you a changelog of your qt. my suspicion is that your qt isnt xinput2 enabled | 14:54 |
| wassupnari | Stskeeps : it's okay :) here : pastie.org/1831081 | 14:54 |
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| wassupnari | Stskeeps : okay, i think i'm using 4.7.2 version which is updated at 110405 | 14:56 |
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| lbt | phaeron: no, dammit, I didn't push it | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: bingo, is the cause | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: sec | 14:56 |
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| wassupnari | but if you see the log on Mar. 16, it seems like xinput2 is supported... | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: yes, but disabled on arm | 14:58 |
| wassupnari | Stskeeps : oh, i see | 14:58 |
| phaeron | lbt: push it upstream or push to cstore ? | 14:58 |
| lbt | both | 14:59 |
| phaeron | ok .. :) | 14:59 |
| wassupnari | Stskeeps : if i want to enable Qt again, then... which one i have to modify?? | 14:59 |
| wassupnari | Stskeeps : i mean xinput2 in Qt | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: just checking obs.. | 15:00 |
| wassupnari | Stskeeps : okay :) thanks a lot!! | 15:01 |
| phaeron | lbt: you had a backward compatible patch , if you apply it , things should work | 15:01 |
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| owl | hmmm. short question... am i blind, or is there (still(?)) no office-package like "libre office" available/installable for meego? (i'm currently using meego straight from usb-stick without updates and stuff...) | 15:03 |
| lbt | owl: there is no package like that yet | 15:04 |
| lbt | If you're interested in porting it to a mainly touch-based UI then there is a community development area you can use | 15:04 |
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| Stskeeps | wassupnari: the xinput2 packages are on repo.meego.com trunk and will be in next weekly release | 15:05 |
| owl | lbt: thanks. - ah, no, i'm not interested ;-) (i don't have the time) | 15:06 |
| thiago_muc | calligra-mobile might be further along | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: xinput2 qt packages that is | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: you can probably make a image with latest trunk or manually upgrade with zypper | 15:06 |
| thiago_muc | that reminds me I need to check on the progress of xinput2.1 | 15:06 |
| lbt | owl: nm ... try again in a few months. | 15:06 |
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| phaeron | lbt: wasn't there a koffice port | 15:10 |
| phaeron | Aard: was doing it | 15:10 |
| thiago_muc | calligra | 15:10 |
| phaeron | ah yeah probably that | 15:10 |
| lbt | is it on c.obs? | 15:10 |
| phaeron | It's core afaik | 15:11 |
| wassupnari | Stskeeps : i just checked the .spec file of Qt, the "xinput2" option is enabled only on x86 architecture. Why is that? | 15:11 |
| Aard | lbt: it's calligra-mobile in core. currently including lot's of bug fixes to make it usable | 15:11 |
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| lbt | Aard: hmmm as an end user how do I install it? | 15:12 |
| lbt | it's not on the image Intel provided | 15:12 |
| Aard | lbt: zypper install calligra-mobile? ;) | 15:12 |
| lbt | well, I'm thinking about the 'Apps' activity :) | 15:12 |
| Aard | the current version has some big issues, though | 15:12 |
| lbt | meh ... put it in :Testing and get feedback | 15:13 |
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| lbt | but I guess that's not how it works | 15:13 |
| Aard | hm? | 15:13 |
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| Stskeeps | wassupnari: the xinput2 qt broke single touch basically | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | wassupnari: and intel arch really needed multitouch for tablet ux demos | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | and we couldn't break n900 image either.. now xinput2 is activated on both | 15:17 |
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| phaeron | owl: calligra-mobile | 15:20 |
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| Aard | owl: calligra-mobile is mainly targeted at handset-ux. while we do have some code in there for netbook-ux (after all, it's just a stripped down version of koffice) nothing of the netbook-ui stuff is tested or expected to be working | 15:23 |
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| lcuk | Aard, am I remembering right that you were involved in the UX switcher thingamibob | 15:30 |
| Aard | yes | 15:30 |
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| lcuk | last night I heard from someone interested in doing similar o nthe n900 | 15:31 |
| Aard | well, it works on the n900 as well ;) | 15:31 |
| lcuk | to allow desktop switching between the DE / handset / tablet uxes | 15:31 |
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| lcuk | sure, I pointed him towards the desktop switching wiki pages and bug reports etc | 15:31 |
| lcuk | :) | 15:31 |
| Aard | uhm, I don't think any information about that is in the wiki ;) | 15:32 |
| lcuk | the nuts and bolts info is there afaik, hold on lemme find the page | 15:33 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 15:33 |
| lcuk | Aard, I think then it might be an idea to fill in a bit about the switcher app you wrote | 15:34 |
| lcuk | on that page, so that all info is open | 15:34 |
| Aard | hm, maybe just throw in a link to my email to meego-devel | 15:34 |
| lcuk | sounds reasonable | 15:35 |
| Aard | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/481898.html | 15:35 |
| Aard | (the wiki itself is not working for me, for some reason) | 15:35 |
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| lcuk | ok Aard, I have added a section related but do not know how to format it correctly | 15:43 |
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| lcuk | but at least the information is together :) | 15:44 |
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| lcuk | wazd, I saw how you want to do presentation at the conf | 15:49 |
| lcuk | great idea! | 15:49 |
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| * lcuk gave same advice to till before the 2009 summit, relate the content to the people and places you are in | 15:50 | |
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| owl | .oO( the inet is a small village... hello Aard ) | 16:04 |
| lbt | phaeron: OK ... patch is applied (and upstream ... but not for 2.1 branch yet) | 16:04 |
| lbt | 2.2 | 16:05 |
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| lbt | 2.1 | 16:05 |
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| phaeron | lbt: how is it upstream | 16:11 |
| lbt | I pushed it | 16:11 |
| phaeron | you have write access to obs git ? :) | 16:12 |
| lbt | yes | 16:12 |
| phaeron | and you left the patch rotting all this time ! | 16:12 |
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| * phaeron plots to abuse lbt's access :P | 16:12 | |
| lbt | since a couple of weeks pre feb11 looking at the date ... which may explain it | 16:13 |
| lbt | I actually have a fair few obs patches to push including ldap etc | 16:13 |
| lbt | but we're not in much of a postition to test properly atm | 16:14 |
| lbt | and c'obs is old - and I don't like pushing untested patches | 16:14 |
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| lbt | also robogrator still doesn't work | 16:15 |
| phaeron | did you restart the source server after applying the patch ? | 16:16 |
| * phaeron ducks | 16:16 | |
| lbt | yup | 16:18 |
| lbt | it's looking for ev.targetproject | 16:18 |
| lbt | and I think it should look for ev.actions.targetproject | 16:18 |
| lbt | yep... it's the early bailout that breaks it | 16:19 |
| phaeron | it used to look for ev.actions only | 16:20 |
| phaeron | lbt: actually ev.actions[0].targetproject | 16:21 |
| lbt | I may have added this as part of the logic extraction | 16:21 |
| lbt | I've removed it now | 16:22 |
| phaeron | but ev.targetproject used to work .. | 16:22 |
| lbt | I'm sure it did ... and will ... I just added a bad check | 16:23 |
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| lbt | phaeron: damn it ... yes I restarted ... and I used the correct BSConfig on cbe ... but of course you need to copy BSConfig to cstore too | 16:29 |
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| phaeron | I did say cstore :) | 16:33 |
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| lbt | I had... I just forgot to say : our $multiaction_notify_support = 1; | 16:34 |
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| lcuk | lbt, how are the roads near your house? Many potholes? I just tweeted about it http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/62518979977166849 | 17:14 |
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| gabriel9 | can meego work on AMD Athlon X2 3600+ and ATI Radeon X3850HD ? | 17:17 |
| gabriel9 | i keap getting black screen, but i can ssh into machine | 17:17 |
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| gabriel9 | i try to emualate meego on my Archlinux | 17:18 |
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| gabrbedd | gabriel9: Are you asking "can I install MeeGo on Athlon+Radeon"?? No, you can't. | 17:22 |
| gabriel9 | Message from syslogd@localhost at Mon Apr 25 14:21:34 2011 ... | 17:22 |
| gabriel9 | localhost klogd: [ 136.952532] Process applauncherd.bi (pid: 644, ti=f6994000 task=f6812110 task.ti=f6994000) | 17:22 |
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| gabriel9 | Hm, i try to use emulator to try it with QtCreator | 17:22 |
| gabrbedd | gabriel9: Are you asking "can I emulate meego using something like QEMU on an Athlon+Radeon host?" Yes, AFAIK you can. | 17:22 |
| gabriel9 | :) | 17:22 |
| gabriel9 | now we understand each other | 17:23 |
| gabriel9 | why do i get that two lines every couple of seconds | 17:24 |
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| gabriel9 | and it hangs like that forever, black screen and X for cursor | 17:24 |
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| gabrbedd | Because that program is crashing (typ. a segfault), and then uxlauncher is trying to respawn it. | 17:24 |
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| gabrbedd | I think I saw it do this once when there was a malformed file in /etc/xdg/autostart | 17:25 |
| gabrbedd | ...but that was a long time ago. Could be several things. | 17:26 |
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| gabriel9 | this is second runtime that is like that. This one is meego-handset-ia32-qemu-1.1.20101031.2201-sda-runtime | 17:26 |
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| gabrbedd | There'll be a core dump in /tmp. Take a look. File a bug (if there isn't one already) | 17:26 |
| gabriel9 | which core dump do i need to look? | 17:27 |
| gabriel9 | there is many of them: core.513, core.1065 etc | 17:28 |
| gabrbedd | gabriel9: Looks like you'll have several to choose from. :-) | 17:28 |
| gabrbedd | The number at the end of the file name is the PID of the process that crashed. | 17:28 |
| gabrbedd | So it'll match one of the console messages you saw. | 17:28 |
| gabriel9 | there is so many of them :D | 17:29 |
| gabriel9 | ls | 17:29 |
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| gabrbedd | gabriel9: Perhaps they've filled up your image (no extra space on file system) and you need to clean them out. | 17:30 |
| gabriel9 | i am sorry but i really don't know how to do it. I'm not gone bother you anymore. :) When i have time i will try it again. | 17:33 |
| gabriel9 | Meego seams like really nice platform. Good luck with it. :) | 17:33 |
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| TheLegace | gabriel9, does the qt creator run full meego OS in emulation ? or is it just a testbed for running apps | 17:40 |
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| gabriel9 | TheLegace: i don't know because i can't start emulator. But i know you can develop app and deploy it. For debugging i am not sure. | 17:45 |
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| wazd | lcuk: hehe :) | 17:50 |
| wazd | lcuk: thanks, hope it will work :) | 17:50 |
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| lcuk | wazd, from what I gather it is universal issue, I saw a great photo blog of someone using knitting to fill in holes | 17:53 |
| lcuk | it looked awesome | 17:53 |
| lcuk | http://clarascollection.blogspot.com/2011/04/knitting-pothole-art-julianna-santacruz.html | 17:54 |
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| Chinmaya | iekku: hi , i am joining ixonos on 2nd May .. | 19:12 |
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| Chinmaya | CosmoHill: nope | 19:17 |
| Chinmaya | CosmoHill: i got a meego-qt position offer in jan end | 19:18 |
| CosmoHill | ooo :) | 19:18 |
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| CosmoHill | huh, that;s kinda weird | 19:48 |
| CosmoHill | on the Intel Compiler / MPI pricing page, the table headers are the same colour as the background | 19:48 |
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| pierce | CosmoHill: are you using IE6? | 19:54 |
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| CosmoHill | FF4 | 19:54 |
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| pierce | CosmoHill: try upgrading to IE6 and try again :-p | 19:55 |
| pierce | css is hard | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | do you think IE5 for Mac would work? :p | 19:55 |
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| CosmoHill | http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/intel-academic-developer-program/ | 19:57 |
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| pierce | CosmoHill: it actually looks alright in chrome, ignoring the double scrollbar issue.. | 20:01 |
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| CosmoHill | where's one of them annoying feedback pop-ups when you want one | 20:03 |
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| gabrbedd | Anybody know who won the t-shirt contest? | 20:31 |
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| CosmoHill | .o/ | 20:56 |
| lcuk | \o CosmoHill | 20:57 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: howdy | 20:58 |
| lcuk | hiya gabrbedd | 20:58 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, has there been an easter fair around your end? | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | ? | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | I've just been in my room working | 20:59 |
| lcuk | funfair type thing | 20:59 |
| lcuk | for the whole of easter? | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | mate said there was one he went too yesterday | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | tbh the days kinda blur into each other | 21:00 |
| lcuk | heh same for me sometimes | 21:00 |
| * lcuk just got back with 2 ew goldfish | 21:00 | |
| lcuk | s/ew/new/ | 21:00 |
| CosmoHill | I don't have any lectures or stuff, just a single deadline to meet so it's a bit hard to tell what day is what | 21:01 |
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| lcuk | having more unusual deadlines at the moment, Tracy is really wobbly on her feet at the mo and I am doing more and more around the house | 21:04 |
| CosmoHill | I think I'll stick with my deadlines | 21:04 |
| CosmoHill | about a week to go isn't it? | 21:04 |
| lcuk | hah yeah, exams are more straight forward | 21:04 |
| lcuk | no, a few more | 21:05 |
| Jaffa | #2? | 21:05 |
| lcuk | but head appears to have engaged now (pressure moved) | 21:05 |
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| lcuk | third Jaffa | 21:05 |
| CosmoHill | in a few weeks you'll have a son and I'll have a first class degree | 21:05 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, yeah it will take another 18 years of nurturing for this one to get a degree | 21:06 |
| * lcuk should ask what eldest is going for since he starts in september | 21:07 | |
| CosmoHill | and 4 million in tuition fees | 21:07 |
| CosmoHill | any motivation words anyone? | 21:08 |
| CosmoHill | preferably 4000 words to finish off the report :) | 21:08 |
| Jaffa | On? | 21:08 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, what happened to original wedding ring? | 21:10 |
| gabrbedd | lcuk: Hey, man! :-) | 21:10 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: Fell from finger at Christmas whilst putting rubbish out. Couldn't find in either of the bins or the garden | 21:12 |
| Myrtti | *yawn* | 21:12 |
| lcuk | Jaffa, eek | 21:12 |
| Myrtti | meh, tired with a headache :-/ | 21:12 |
| lcuk | how did you keep the hoards of groupies off you? :P | 21:12 |
| lcuk | :( Myrtti | 21:13 |
| * lcuk offers gentle soothing backrub | 21:13 | |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Wedding rings are better for that apparently, but the effect isn't enough to overcome my natural state :-/ | 21:13 |
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| lcuk | heh | 21:13 |
| CosmoHill | Jaffa: in 100s of years someone will find it with a metal detector | 21:14 |
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| sd09jw | IF YOU WERE TO DIE TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? GAYS, NIGGERS,JEWS AND FREENODE STAFFERS ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS. sd09jw Tsarpf Kaadlajk lcuk lynxis NishanthMenon willer_ swc|666 Richrd Armi^ stefanoP goutam__ jpetersen ctusar pohly gaveen_ amjad toniher_casa csdb leinir thiagoss araujo slonopotamus pixelgeek1 thiago_home MoRpHeUz mato_ mikhas m1ght3th0r wma | 21:17 |
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| wmarone | :/ | 21:17 |
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| wqejqb | IF YOU WERE TO DIE TODAY DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP? GAYS, NIGGERS,JEWS AND FREENODE STAFFERS ARE ALL GOING TO BURN IN HELL. IF YOU'RE ONE OF THESE YOU NEED TO ASK JESUS CHRIST FOR IMMEDIATE FORGIVENESS. wqejqb Richrd marienz Tsarpf Kaadlajk lcuk lynxis NishanthMenon willer_ swc|666 Armi^ stefanoP goutam__ jpetersen ctusar pohly gaveen_ amjad toniher_casa csdb leinir thiagoss araujo slonopotamus pixelgeek1 thiago_home MoRpHeUz mato_ mikhas m1ght3th0 | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | wtf. | 21:17 |
| LoCusF | ah damn | 21:17 |
| * CosmoHill goes to get his micrometer so he can measure the narrow minded ness | 21:18 | |
| Stskeeps | what is wrong with those people.. | 21:18 |
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| TSCHAKeee | wow, these bots are getting angrier | 21:18 |
| wmarone | brain damage | 21:18 |
| CosmoHill | gays I can kinda understand, but the rest? | 21:18 |
| TSCHAKeee | *rimshot* | 21:18 |
| CosmoHill | hehe, "and Freenode staffers" | 21:19 |
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| TSCHAKeee | who the fuck is controlling these bots? | 21:20 |
| dm8tbr | the spam script is still broken and hilights itself :D | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | duno but if that is their world view it's kinda scary | 21:20 |
| gaveen | well, Freenode staffers seem to matter in a cosmological scale now | 21:20 |
| CosmoHill | I'm no religious expert but I don't think Jesus will care if you're any of those things | 21:21 |
| alterego | Except a freenode ops | 21:22 |
| alterego | Everyone knows they're evil | 21:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | seeing as God kept changing his position on marriage throughout the Bible... I don't exactly consider God as one that sticks to his principles. :P | 21:22 |
| CosmoHill | alterego has quite (Killed (idoru (I heard that.))) | 21:23 |
| alterego | :P | 21:23 |
| CosmoHill | the issue I have with people who "spread the word of god" is that it's a very select word of god that has been misrepresented align with the speaker's views | 21:24 |
| Myrtti | as long as you don't assume that they're sane and human, you're doing well | 21:24 |
| Myrtti | or assume that they've got issues with MeeGo, they don't | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | the loud ones are also the ones you want to ignore and give a bad rep to the good ones | 21:25 |
| Myrtti | they're just attacking freenode and attacking channels is a way of doing it | 21:25 |
| Myrtti | ignoring is the best way forward | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: the guy really hates the equality at Intel :p | 21:26 |
| alterego | Heh | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | so in meego trunk, zypper si <package> fails silently if you're not root | 21:26 |
| ali1234 | what's that all about? | 21:26 |
| alterego | I'm not sure what freenode staffers have to do with anything, | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | bit surprised there has been no mention about this on Freenode's website | 21:26 |
| CosmoHill | alterego: they're doing the correct thing and banning his crazy arse | 21:27 |
| Stskeeps | don't feed the trolls, i guess | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: because ignoring is the best way forward | 21:27 |
| CosmoHill | or her, I wouldn't want to be sexist | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | ie. don't feed the trolls | 21:27 |
| alterego | has he find out there's a gay channel or something? | 21:27 |
| alterego | I know a female staffer | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | it's people who have issues about Freenode, it's current and past policies | 21:27 |
| alterego | She's actually a friends girlfriend | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | I know several | 21:27 |
| Myrtti | (unsurprisingly) | 21:28 |
| * TSCHAKeee knows a few freenode staffers (was a former staffer and DJ for FreeNode Radio) | 21:28 | |
| CosmoHill | I don't really care what gender someone is | 21:28 |
| CosmoHill | ali1234: "si" is install? | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | si is source-install | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | should be equivalent to apt-get source | 21:29 |
| ali1234 | but apt-get doesn't require you to be root for that | 21:29 |
| CosmoHill | it could be a permission problem with the destination directory | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: interesting, but may be related to /usr/src or something? | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | no and no | 21:30 |
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| ali1234 | the destination directory is ~/rpmbuild | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | does zypper know that? | 21:30 |
| ali1234 | it doesn't exist until zypper creates it when you download some source package | 21:30 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay, then that makes even less reason to require the root user | 21:31 |
| * ali1234 reopens two bugs | 21:32 | |
| ali1234 | when i see windriver.com i always think of that old shareware site "win driver" | 21:33 |
| ali1234 | i know it's wind river but i can't help reading it like that | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | same problem here | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | how about expertsexchange.com ? | 21:35 |
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| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Yep. That, too. | 21:37 |
| ali1234 | also, what's the deal with @intel.com guys closing bugs "works for me" and then you test it, and it's exactly the same as when you reported it? | 21:38 |
| ali1234 | this is about the fourth or fifth time it's happened to me now | 21:38 |
| lcuk | ali1234, specific example? | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | bug 14307 | 21:39 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=14307 nor, Medium, ---, kai.chai, REOP, kernel build with rpmbuild fails during prep | 21:39 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: I usually use constellation names for hosts... and when registering a dyndns host name I unfortunately used `canis` for a home server. :-/ | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: complain to error management when it happens, they have a hammer | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: how do i do that? | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | bug 5266 | 21:39 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5266 nor, Medium, ---, jiaping.zhu, REOP, Changing the default OS in "boot loader operating systems" in anaconda installer has no effect | 21:39 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: prod iekku, andre, ericlr, etc | 21:39 |
| ali1234 | 5266 i have reopened about 3 times now | 21:40 |
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| auke | ali1234: anaconda is going away with 1.3 | 21:41 |
| ali1234 | to be replaced by something else equally broken? | 21:42 |
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| ali1234 | which itself will be replaced before it ever gets fixed? | 21:42 |
| auke | automated install that will overwrite all OS's on the target | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 21:42 |
| ali1234 | oh joy, guess i won't be testing the installer any more then | 21:42 |
| Stskeeps | auke: that sounds horrid | 21:42 |
| berndhs | that will be great for dual boot testing :) | 21:43 |
| auke | bottom line is | 21:43 |
| auke | people working on meego (paid) are all working on devices that are single-OS machines | 21:43 |
| auke | anaconda is a huge time sink and waste of resources | 21:43 |
| auke | and, it doesn't even work (just look at the bugs) | 21:43 |
| auke | so, it's getting scrapped | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | auke: you mean intel people have that luxury :P (single os machines) | 21:44 |
| auke | if people in the community want to maintain a "real" installer, I'd be happy to talk about this | 21:44 |
| auke | do you dual boot your n900? | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | auke: yes, in fact i do | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | me too | 21:44 |
| auke | we need to talk... | 21:44 |
| Stskeeps | many people do | 21:44 |
| auke | :) | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | and you know why? | 21:44 |
| ali1234 | it's because meego is still unusable after all this time :/ | 21:45 |
| auke | yes | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | i mean it's not like maemo is perfect | 21:45 |
| auke | and would you want us to spend time on the installer, or on meego? | 21:45 |
| ali1234 | yes | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | auke: let's start a discussion on meego-dev@ on the topic, with some emphasis 'we realize there are problems and we'd like to catch that problem beforehand.." | 21:45 |
| Stskeeps | 'and get some people involved to make it happen' | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | considering that without a decent installer i can't do regression testing | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | so feel free to do it all your way on your own if you want | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | i personally dont install meego x86, i use usb sticks, though | 21:46 |
| auke | autoinstall isn't exactly the hardest thing to do | 21:46 |
| ali1234 | if the installer would nuke my whole machine i wouldn't have installed trunk today and found out that the bug with compiling the kernel is not even a little bit fixed | 21:47 |
| ali1234 | so yeah... you'd have two less open bugs | 21:47 |
| ali1234 | but those bugs would still exist | 21:47 |
| auke | there still will be an installer, it's just an automated unattended install | 21:48 |
| ali1234 | and if it destroys the other OS on the machine it is of zero use to me | 21:48 |
| auke | why? | 21:48 |
| auke | what prevents you from installing "the other OS" again? | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | the other OS is actually 3 other OS | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | one of which takes 3 hours to install and has to be activated on the internet | 21:49 |
| auke | sure, but, still doable | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | ok | 21:49 |
| ali1234 | sure. instead of some guy somewhere spending 3 hours making a real installer, you want me to spend 3 hours reinstalling 3 other OS every single time i have to test an image... yeah | 21:50 |
| auke | right now the installer (anaconda) doesn't even do dual boot | 21:50 |
| ali1234 | it's trivial to repair though | 21:50 |
| auke | well hold on | 21:50 |
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| auke | don't shoot the messenger, he's the person actually interested in working with you in getting a solution | 21:51 |
| berndhs | if the current installer had an option to leave the boot loader alone many things would be simpler | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | ok, sorry :) | 21:51 |
| auke | the current installer needs to go | 21:51 |
| ali1234 | agreed | 21:51 |
| auke | our hacked up version of anaconda is a massive source of problems | 21:51 |
| Stskeeps | right, so let's get a discussion going on list before companies starts sending us angry emails we nuked their precious IT installs ;) | 21:51 |
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| auke | we'd be better off using an off-the-shelf version | 21:51 |
| auke | for one | 21:52 |
| auke | but, at this point we should be window shopping for alternatives | 21:52 |
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| auke | meanwhile, I'm working on an automated installer as part of some other work where we need that | 21:52 |
| ali1234 | would it really be that difficult to make it auto install to a partition rather than the whole drive? | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | that's all i really need | 21:53 |
| ali1234 | and don't touch anything else like bootloader | 21:53 |
| auke | all doable | 21:53 |
| auke | but | 21:53 |
| auke | I'd rather do something like this: | 21:53 |
| auke | - make an official auto isntaller that wipes everything | 21:54 |
| auke | - maintain a second installer that is full-featured | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | meh | 21:54 |
| auke | we need the first (customer requirement) | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | i don't need a full featured installer | 21:54 |
| auke | YOU want the second (community) | 21:54 |
| ali1234 | i want it to be as quick and easy as possible for testing | 21:54 |
| auke | sure, it doesn't have to be (and should be) complex | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | auke, third stakeholder is developers.. we already have a bad story with ssse3 | 21:55 |
| auke | I'm putting developers all in the community in this case, even those working on meego (paid) | 21:55 |
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| Stskeeps | so we need a FEA# round and get some bidders.. i mean, it sounds like a nice junior project | 21:56 |
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| * CosmoHill has a question for after the discuession | 21:56 | |
| ali1234 | the important thing here is that i don't want to have to screw around with mic to make my own custom installer | 21:56 |
| ali1234 | because if i do that, i'm not testing an official image any more, so what's the point? | 21:57 |
| auke | that's another issue | 21:57 |
| auke | I'm trying to get the mic guys to make 'boot options' for images specifyable on the kickstart file | 21:57 |
| auke | it's trivial to get the images to start an installer with systemd | 21:57 |
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| ali1234 | in the kickstart file... | 21:57 |
| ali1234 | sounds like if i want to change those options, i have to screw around with mic... | 21:57 |
| auke | in the end we can release images with other installers | 21:58 |
| auke | but first, I need lunch | 21:58 |
| auke | afk for a bit | 21:58 |
| auke | <- AFK | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 21:58 |
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| CosmoHill | I'd like to know if it's possible to put OS and graphics card detection into the installer to prevent people installing MeeGo on non-SSSE3 or non Intel graphics computers | 22:00 |
| TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill: don't go there. | 22:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee | CosmoHill: that is Grade A Stupid(tm) | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | ooo, an A grade | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | it seems a good idea to stop the user from install meego on a non-compatable device rather than waste their time and give them a confusing black screen with an underscore on it | 22:02 |
| ali1234 | i don't see why it's *that* stupid | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | hmm :/ | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | problem is, meego can be built for a variety of different target devices | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | "sorry your device does not seem comptable, you require X, Y and Z, press B to continue anyway" | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | if there was a way to say that 'this image works with this devie" sure. | 22:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | ok | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | maybe not so stupid | 22:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | (tm) ;) | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | can I still keep my A grade? | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | there's no meego-x86 that doesn't require ssse4 | 22:04 |
| jedix | What init system does meego use? | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | 1.3 will use systemd | 22:04 |
| ali1234 | but since only about 1% actually uses it, you can get quite far through the install before it breaks | 22:04 |
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| jedix | 1.3 will use systemd.. but what is used right now | 22:05 |
| jedix | 1.1 and 1.2 | 22:05 |
| jedix | because it certainly isn't reading inittab for me | 22:06 |
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| TSCHAKeee | jedix: it's not sys v init bro. | 22:07 |
| * TSCHAKeee thwaps jedix | 22:07 | |
| jedix | no.. | 22:08 |
| jedix | what is it? | 22:08 |
| jedix | please don't tell me what's it will be | 22:08 |
| jedix | in MeeGo release 1.1.90 (MeeGo) | 22:09 |
| jedix | what is the init system? | 22:09 |
| TSCHAKeee | fastinit | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | if you need something, add something to /etc/xdg/Autostart | 22:10 |
| TSCHAKeee | fastinit | 22:10 |
| CosmoHill | jedix: the guy you really want to speak to has gone to lunch | 22:10 |
| jedix | okay, thanks | 22:10 |
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| wazd | Pleeeeeease | 22:15 |
| * wazd waves hand | 22:15 | |
| wazd | 2-3 screenshots of meego handset UX :( | 22:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | ...run it. | 22:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | ;) | 22:16 |
| CosmoHill | that reminds me, I need a new phone | 22:16 |
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| owl | :D without the "pleeeeease new screenshots"-questions you'd've forgot that? :) | 22:17 |
| mikhas | wazd, ? | 22:17 |
| CosmoHill | or a stylise to poke what remains of my buttons | 22:18 |
| wazd | mikhas: I need 2 or 3 screenshots of MeeGo handset UX (dialer, mail, something else) :) | 22:18 |
| wazd | mikhas: Can't do it myself cause my n900 is screwed with android experiments :( | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | could you use a QEMU? | 22:19 |
| mikhas | doesnt even need QEMU, should run native | 22:19 |
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| wazd | never mind | 22:24 |
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| wazd | oooh, missed the channel, damn, sorry :D | 22:28 |
| wazd | they are both looks like #mee... :) | 22:28 |
| wazd | look* | 22:28 |
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| CosmoHill | what are you on....about? | 22:32 |
| GAN900 | wazd, yes, but the other one is more fun. :P | 22:33 |
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| lcuk | GAN900, you still streaking across the channel naked then? | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | GAN900 is sub-25 right? | 22:37 |
| * lcuk has maemo 1.2 naked pictures - I wonder when they will start for meego | 22:37 | |
| jedix | the display manager is being started too fast.. udev hasn't created devices for xorg yet | 22:38 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, not sure, he has a beard/fluff so perhaps around that | 22:39 |
| CosmoHill | meh, he can continue then | 22:39 |
| jedix | is there a way to start the display manager after udev is done, or delay it a bit? | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | jedix, on which system? | 22:40 |
| jedix | lcuk: beagleboard | 22:40 |
| jedix | it starts before I get the symlink from the device -> evtouch_event | 22:41 |
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| GAN900 | CosmoHill, 23, I think. | 22:44 |
| CosmoHill | 1up from me | 22:44 |
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| lcuk | jedix, has this been issue all along? | 22:45 |
| jedix | lcuk: it wasn't a few months ago.. 1.0 release, but it showed up when I went on the 1.1.90 branch | 22:49 |
| lcuk | jedix, which bug # is it under? | 22:49 |
| lcuk | 1.1.90 has been around for a while afaik | 22:49 |
| jedix | lcuk: I just figured out what it is | 22:50 |
| jedix | haven;'t filed a bug | 22:50 |
| lcuk | heh as always | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | jedix, well gather info together and file one, it is possible there is a flag that can be set to delay it | 22:52 |
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| auke | CosmoHill: we can detect gfx vendor ID, yes, at install time | 22:52 |
| jedix | lcuk: no idea, that's why I was here asking ;) | 22:52 |
| lcuk | jedix, but if a fix is found it needs a bug to put the patch/modification under | 22:53 |
| lcuk | ;) | 22:53 |
| auke | jedix: the program that starts X (uxlaunch) explicityly waits for udevadm settle to finish | 22:53 |
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| jedix | auke: how does it do that? | 23:06 |
| jedix | auke: this is what I get on the root console: http://pastebin.com/CFdWtL0K | 23:08 |
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| jedix | is there a way to delay it further? | 23:09 |
| auke | jedix: https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/uxlaunch/blobs/master/uxlaunch.c line 115 | 23:10 |
| auke | it waits for 10(!) seconds on udev | 23:10 |
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| auke | those root console messages don't tell me much | 23:10 |
| jedix | doesn't it show the display manager starting before the touch device on usb? | 23:12 |
| jedix | do you need more logs? what would help? | 23:12 |
| auke | what exactly do you mean with "display manager" | 23:12 |
| auke | there is no such thing in meego, not in the sense of 'gdm' or 'xdm' etc in meego | 23:13 |
| jedix | well, no.. it start twm because I have nothing else installed | 23:13 |
| TSCHAKeee | uxlaunch | 23:13 |
| jedix | but it starts x before the devices are setup, so the evtouch_event doesn't exist | 23:14 |
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| auke | ok, well, uxlaunch isn't exactly a 'dm' anymore, it's a 'desktop launcher' | 23:14 |
| auke | jedix: that's a bug in Xorg really - it needs to be able to handle "new" devices when they are inserted | 23:15 |
| auke | there were some fixes in trunk on that recently | 23:15 |
| auke | what branch are you looking at? | 23:15 |
| jedix | 1.1.90 | 23:15 |
| auke | what touch device is the problem? | 23:16 |
| jedix | but, evtouch_event -> event1 .. so xorg finds event1, loads the driver and then has no configuration so the curser is stuck in the upper left corner of the screen | 23:16 |
| jedix | eGalax Inc. USB TouchController - it's part of an xenarc display | 23:16 |
| auke | any idea why it takes so long to initialize this touch hardware? | 23:17 |
| jedix | xenarc 706 | 23:17 |
| jedix | no, I would say it's the usb hub, but the keyboard is started way before that and it's on the same hub | 23:17 |
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| jedix | I actaully see a message about udev started after the display manager | 23:25 |
| tripz0 | jedix, issues with egalax? | 23:25 |
| jedix | at least in the log, there's no timestamp on the console log | 23:25 |
| * tripz0 reads backlog | 23:25 | |
| jedix | tripz0: yep | 23:25 |
| tripz0 | don't use evtouch for egalax screens | 23:28 |
| auke | heh | 23:28 |
| tripz0 | should be able to use evdev for them | 23:28 |
| jedix | okay | 23:29 |
| tripz0 | i'd be interested to know if you can get it working with evdev... i have a few xenarcs that i'd love to see working on meego | 23:29 |
| jedix | evtouch has the udev rule for this display | 23:30 |
| tripz0 | i'd remove it | 23:31 |
| tripz0 | i don't think there's any reason to use evtouch on that screen | 23:32 |
| tripz0 | evtouch is quite old and not as maintained as evdev | 23:32 |
| thiago_home | evdev should be used everywhere | 23:32 |
| thiago_home | there's no reason to use anything else | 23:32 |
| tripz0 | :) | 23:32 |
| tripz0 | jedix, i'm guessing this is an ivi image? | 23:33 |
| tripz0 | for reasons i'm unclear on, i think the ivi builds include evtouch usage | 23:33 |
| jedix | yes, it is | 23:33 |
| jedix | now that I've said evdev.. the curser remains at the top left all the time | 23:34 |
| tripz0 | what kernel? | 23:34 |
| tripz0 | this sounds like what I've been experiencing | 23:35 |
| jedix | ...our own | 23:35 |
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| tripz0 | should have been fixed in our 37 kernel | 23:35 |
| jedix | what patch? | 23:35 |
| tripz0 | 2 secs, lemme pull up the bug for this | 23:36 |
| jedix | thanks | 23:36 |
| tripz0 | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9524 | 23:37 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 9524 nor, Medium, ---, yong.y.wang, NEW, egalax-based touchscreens don't work | 23:37 |
| tripz0 | that's the bug i created for it | 23:37 |
| jedix | yeah, that;s exactly what happens | 23:38 |
| tripz0 | i think this is the patch: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/jikos/hid.git;a=commitdiff;h=f51661105c3c8a0afcd69f995a4f4a10e53da153 | 23:39 |
| jedix | but we've been getting around this by using evtouch | 23:39 |
| jedix | thanks! | 23:40 |
| jedix | I guess I need to disable evtouch from the kernel too? | 23:41 |
| tripz0 | nah. | 23:41 |
| tripz0 | i didn't think evtouch was a kernel thing... | 23:41 |
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| jedix | may not be | 23:41 |
| tripz0 | s/was/had/ | 23:41 |
| infobot | tripz0 meant: i didn't think evtouch had a kernel thing... | 23:41 |
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| tripz0 | jedix, any reason why you aren't based off of meego kernel sources? | 23:42 |
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| jedix | tripz0: management decision.. I think I get my wish next release to go to a stock kernel | 23:44 |
| jedix | I always feel worried asking for help and stuff when I have a different kernel | 23:44 |
| jedix | and it's very annoying hitting issues that would have been avoided | 23:44 |
| tripz0 | :nod: | 23:45 |
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| TheLegace | is it possible to use a trackpad(trying it on netbook) on the tablet ux preview | 23:58 |
| thiago_home | I don't see why not | 23:58 |
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| TheLegace | well when i boot into meego on my netbook i dont see a mouse | 23:59 |
| TheLegace | pointer | 23:59 |
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| TheLegace | im assumming ill have to do something with Xorg | 23:59 |
| TheLegace | let me try it again | 23:59 |
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