IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2011-04-23

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lcuk	should meego devices be able to see and use a printer on the network?	00:19
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lcuk	I know in maemo we couldn't by default	00:19
lcuk	but hoping that with standard stack it would	00:19
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wmarone__	It should, especially if other mobile platforms are gaining the ability	00:20
lcuk	cool	00:21
wmarone__	well	00:21
wmarone__	I say "should" in the sense that if it doesn't, it needs to	00:21
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lcuk	wmarone__, it depends which apps really	00:22
lcuk	ie, few use cases where it is a requirement from handset	00:22
lcuk	but when you iget devices which happily run libreoffice or ooo etc	00:22
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wmarone__	yeah, as it becomes more likely a need	00:23
lcuk	I think Qt has support though	00:23
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wmarone__	of course, with Qt it shouldn't be a question	00:23
* lcuk knows of only a couple of printing use cases		00:23
lcuk	the postcard app certainly :)	00:23
lcuk	wmarone__, it is more a question of system configuration though	00:24
lcuk	qt might support printing, but not very good if the OS itself did not do the driver connections and ui configurators and print queue management	00:25
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thiago	the OS does all of that	00:33
thiago	Qt simply draws to PDF	00:33
lcuk	thiago, that was the point of the question	00:34
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lcuk	hahaha gabrbedd	00:44
lcuk	tracy responded	00:44
* gabrbedd flinches		00:44
lcuk	I need one of those platform things on wheels, I forget the name. Is	00:44
lcuk	Segway right??	00:44
lcuk	I would slap but need him to come closer cos I can't get up off the	00:44
lcuk	couch so easily anymore!!	00:44
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gabrbedd	:-)	00:45
lcuk	the segway idea is interesting	00:46
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lcuk	which remote control software can I use on my meego n900 to talk to my computer	00:47
* lcuk has not gotten xv working yet so needs something to do tv volume		00:47
auke	lcuk: we hate cups, I wish it would die :)	00:48
lcuk	auke, everybody does	00:48
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w00t_	I prefer glasses	00:49
lcuk	heh	00:50
* lcuk pleased jake has not found out the new printer has a scanner/photocopier too		00:50
lcuk	there would be an endless pile of printouts of trains and stuff	00:51
lcuk	---------------	00:53
lcuk	qt question: around each of the conferences, there are normally a group of hackers and coding competitions and stuff - the apps made during those competitions, are they ever installable and could we install a "meego summit fi pack" of all of them in one go?	00:54
lcuk	likewise for any qt dev event	00:54
thiago	dunno	00:54
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thiago	I've never used or seen one of those apps	00:54
lcuk	well what is the normal route right now, if someone in meego sdk has written a cool little app	00:55
lcuk	how much effort from user does it take to be able to show it to me or you	00:55
lcuk	take Venemo, he has a great little qt app	00:56
lcuk	how would I get it on my meego device?	00:56
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Venemo	lcuk, 'wget http://sources.venemo.net/puzzle-master-1.2.2-1.fc15.src.rpm' 'rpmbuild --rebuild puzzle-master-1.2.2-1.fc15.src.rpm' 'rpm -i puzzle-master-*.rpm'	00:57
lcuk	hah, and that would work happily on the n900 too?	00:57
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lcuk	what about installing dependencies?	00:58
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lcuk	Venemo, and you already have an rpm package	00:58
lcuk	qt afaik does not automagically create such a thing?	00:58
Venemo	lcuk, obviously, you need to build in SDK and then install it on-device.	00:58
Venemo	lcuk, you need to create an RPM .spec file, which is quite easy to do	00:59
lcuk	Venemo, not obviously	00:59
Venemo	lcuk, I guess they could also teach how to make a .spec file on that conference.	00:59
lcuk	you are thinking from POV of a developer	00:59
Venemo	well, yeah.	00:59
lcuk	I thought a default basic installation package could be generated?	00:59
lcuk	like visual basic had a package and deployment wizard	01:00
Venemo	for Maemo, Qt Creator does that (although it does that very crappily). I'm not sure about MeeGo.	01:00
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Venemo	lcuk, I can show you how to make a simple .spec file that should be enough for any Qt applications	01:02
Venemo	lcuk, then you can tell that to the attendants of the conference and then they can package their apps :)	01:03
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lcuk	Venemo, I was just pondering why we do not see many apps from these conf sessions, but it goes further	01:04
lcuk	it is just the learning curve required for app deployment	01:05
Venemo	lcuk, so, you could act and teach them to make .spec	01:05
Venemo	lcuk, it is a __LOT__ easier than .deb	01:05
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lcuk	they contain similar information	01:05
lcuk	it is just the format that changes	01:05
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lcuk	Venemo, better would be to talk with one of the qt trainers	01:07
* lcuk recalls talking and smoking with one of them at the Dublin conf		01:07
Venemo	lcuk, what stops you from talking to them?	01:08
* lcuk finds his card		01:08
Venemo	lcuk, anyhow, I can give you a simple .spec template that any Qt app could use.	01:08
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lcuk	Jurgen Bocklage-Ryannel! :D	01:08
lcuk	Venemo, because I am tired and try to do too much already, I will however email him this convo	01:09
Venemo	lcuk, anyhow, are you interested in the .spec?	01:10
lcuk	yes	01:11
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Venemo	lcuk, http://sources.venemo.net/puzzle-master.spec	01:12
lcuk	thanks	01:13
Venemo	lcuk, it's pretty self explanatory isn't it	01:13
lcuk	Venemo, yes, and that installs on meego?	01:13
Venemo	lcuk, yes, it should.	01:14
lcuk	good	01:14
lcuk	ta \o	01:14
Venemo	lcuk, would be best if you could actually test it. I recall someone here testing it already, but you can never be sure enough	01:15
lcuk	I haven't got a device booted atm	01:16
ali1234	Venemo: i disagree that the spec file is "self explanatory"	01:17
ali1234	nearly every line contains something that i don't understand	01:18
Venemo	ali1234, okay, I'll make comments.	01:18
* lcuk emails Jurgen		01:18
ali1234	some questions that immediately spring to mind:	01:19
ali1234	how to select a Group:	01:19
ali1234	what is the difference between version and release?	01:19
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thiago	the version is the one from the upstream	01:20
ali1234	"type -P qmake-qt4 &>/dev/null && qmake-qt4 \|\| qmake" what is this??	01:20
thiago	release is the version of this RPM (the .spec)	01:20
Venemo	ali1234, "what is this" -> that is actually commented...	01:20
thiago	ali1234: determining if qmake is called qmake or qmake-qt4	01:20
thiago	some distros rename	01:20
ali1234	yeah the comment does not explain... why such a complex command	01:21
ali1234	why you can't just write "qmake-qt4 \|\| qmake"	01:21
lcuk	gnite guys \o	01:21
Venemo	ali1234, this is what google returned number 1 when I searched for "how to check if a command is available"	01:21
ali1234	ok, continuing	01:22
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ali1234	the whole %files section is something i find particularly evil	01:22
Venemo	that is what tells what files should be included in the package	01:22
ali1234	no, it;s nt	01:23
ali1234	it's a list of files that must end up in the package, otherwise the build will fail	01:23
thiago	ali1234: because it will print out an error	01:23
ali1234	the mechanism that gets files into the package... is something different	01:23
ali1234	like i said, particularly evil...	01:24
Venemo	ali1234, this _tells_ rpmbuild what files to put into the rpm. that's all.	01:24
ali1234	...and also what files to not put in the package	01:25
ali1234	it seems to me that you have to list every file that is produced by your build whether you want it to go into the package or not	01:26
Venemo	ali1234, incorrect. you need to list every file that you want in your package. and of course, rpmbuild will give you a warning for those that you forgot to mention	01:27
Venemo	ali1234, wildchars are allowed in case you have many files.	01:27
ali1234	in my experience that warning is set to be a fatal error	01:28
ali1234	in fact the whole thing is very difficult to understand	01:29
Venemo	ali1234, no.	01:29
ali1234	where are those files being pulled from?	01:29
Venemo	ali1234, from the build root	01:29
ali1234	that's after a make install?	01:30
Venemo	make INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT install	01:30
Venemo	this puts your stuff into $RPM_BUILD_ROOT	01:30
ali1234	so if make install installs a bunch of files	01:30
ali1234	and you don't want all of them in the package	01:30
ali1234	so you only list some of them in %files	01:30
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ali1234	this will cause a fatal error	01:30
Venemo	you simply delete them after make install?	01:30
ali1234	yeah. simple	01:30
ali1234	so the files in %files has to exactly match what is in the build root after %build step	01:31
ali1234	there's nothing about it that says "these are the files that i want in the package" - although it does look like that to a new users of RPM	01:31
ali1234	what it actually is is a list of exactly what %build should have produced	01:32
ali1234	if you want to control what goes in the package, you have to put it in the earlier step (ie by deleting the files you don't want)	01:32
Venemo	well ali1234, the SANE thing to do is put all files outputted by make install to the package	01:32
ali1234	this is very unclear part of using rpm/.spec	01:32
Venemo	ali1234, why wouldn't want a file in your package that is created by make install?	01:32
Venemo	ali1234, and if that file is not needed, why does your make install create it in the first place?	01:33
berndhs	why would make install install things you dont want installed ?	01:33
ali1234	well maybe i do... the problem is that the same spec will produce a different set of files after make install, when compiled under different toolchain/OS	01:33
Venemo	berndhs ++	01:33
ali1234	so in porting a rpm, i have to hack the %files section to make it reflect what the build actually produces	01:33
ali1234	or hack the build section to delete the extra files	01:34
thiago	yes	01:34
Venemo	ali1234, well, if you already hacked your makefile to be dependant of toolchain/OS, you deserve to hack the .spec as well...	01:34
ali1234	yes	01:34
ali1234	because nearly all packages are packaged by the person who wrote them, right?	01:34
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Venemo	ali1234, my condolences.	01:35
ali1234	oh by the way, can you guess which package i ran into this issue with?	01:35
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Venemo	ali1234, no idea. tell me about it	01:35
ali1234	it was rpmbuild	01:35
Venemo	ali1234, hahah.	01:35
Venemo	ali1234, btw, thanks for the 'qmake \|\| qmake-qt4' tip	01:36
thiago	the other way around	01:36
ali1234	it wasn't a tip, i thought there was a genuinely good reason why you were testing for it	01:36
ali1234	i assume that's what "type" was doing	01:37
thiago	type checks if it's a file	01:37
ali1234	surely you want to use test to test it's an executable	01:37
berndhs	knowing that "qmake" is present doesnt help, it can be qmake-qt3	01:38
ali1234	knowing any of them are present doesn't help	01:38
ali1234	either it runs or you try the other one	01:38
ali1234	however, if qmake-qt4 exists, you run it, and then it fails for some other reason	01:38
berndhs	well if there is qmake-qt4 thats the one you want	01:39
ali1234	then the short version will attempt to run qmake... which might not be what you want	01:39
ali1234	actually the long version would too	01:39
ali1234	i have no idea if this can cause a problem	01:39
Venemo	berndhs, it's called 'qmake' on MeeGo and 'qmake-qt4' on Fedora	01:39
berndhs	isnt there a macro for it ? %{qmake_qt4} or something?	01:40
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Venemo	berndhs, really? that would make my day.	01:40
berndhs	Venemo: no it is also qmake-qt4 on something else, and sometimes qmake on fedora	01:40
Venemo	no, there is no 'qmake' on Fedora	01:40
berndhs	yes there is	01:40
ali1234	you would think that they'd give you both	01:41
Venemo	berndhs, 'yum whatprovides /usr/bin/qmake' -> no results.	01:41
ali1234	ie if you install 3 and 4 you'd have qmake-qt3 and qmake-qt4 and qmake pointing to whichever is default for the distro	01:41
MohammadAG	qmake-qt4 should be a "provides" for /usr/bin/qmake	01:41
ali1234	like they do with python	01:41
berndhs	they give you more than both :)	01:41
Venemo	anyway. there is no 'qmake' on Fedora and there is no 'qmake-qt4' on MeeGo. that's it.	01:42
berndhs	i saw qmake-qt4 on something that wasnt fedora, and i didnt put it there :)	01:44
gabrbedd	On debian... qmake is managed by the alternatives system. It's a symlink to either qmake-qt3 or qmake-qt4 (determined by the admin)	01:45
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berndhs	yes its a very enteraining issue :)	01:46
Venemo	so anyway.	01:47
ali1234	heh... iow debian handles it in a sensible way that means you can always get what you want without having to run tests against the OS	01:47
Venemo	qmake \|\| qmake-qt4 will do it, right?	01:47
ali1234	no	01:47
Venemo	why not?	01:47
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ali1234	because what happens if they both exist and the first one fails for some other reason?	01:47
ali1234	answer: the second one runs and messes everything up	01:47
ali1234	what you actually need to do is say "if meego, qmake else if fedora qmake-qt4, else if ..."	01:49
ali1234	simple right?	01:49
gabrbedd	ali1234: Nah... debian's system only works if (a) you're the admin and (b) you only ever use one or the other. :-)	01:49
ali1234	or find out if there's a widely available macro	01:49
Venemo	ali1234, well, the second one will definitely not mess it up...	01:49
ali1234	Venemo: it will if you don't want it to run	01:50
Venemo	anyway, I don't care. this should work on Fedora and MeeGo and that's it.	01:50
gabrbedd	Also, on fedora qmake could be qt3's qmake... right?	01:50
ali1234	probably	01:50
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Venemo	gabrbedd, there is no 'qmake' on fedora.	01:51
MohammadAG	fedora should have qmake	01:51
Venemo	it has 'qmake-qt4'	01:51
gabrbedd	ok. seems odd, though.	01:51
gabrbedd	Is `/usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake` fairly universal?	01:53
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berndhs	i dont even have /usr/share/qt4/bin	01:54
Venemo	me neither	01:54
Venemo	anyway	01:54
Venemo	all Fedora Qt packages I've seen use 'qmake-qt4' so that's gonna be it.	01:54
berndhs	thats why i have a faux-automake "configure" script :)	01:55
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Venemo	lcuk, there is already a very nice tutorial about packaging in the MeeGo wiki	02:04
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Venemo	lcuk, http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging/Tutorial http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Tutorials/Packaging	02:08
Venemo	lcuk, tell the guys about those in the conference	02:08
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Venemo	oh no, not again	02:13
panaggio_	man, that again? =(	02:13
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phl0x81	lol	02:13
MohammadAG	oh ffs	02:13
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riot	way too much spam here.	02:14
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riot	someone aiming specifically against #meego?	02:14
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phl0x81	wtf?	02:15
kloeri	just ignore the spam	02:16
juanman	ban 41.160.153.180 please	02:16
panaggio_	riot: I've received these only here today	02:16
Venemo	I do not believe in jesus christ.	02:16
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kloeri	juanman: it's klined, so no need to ban it	02:16
phl0x81	just make Jesus a bad word ;)	02:17
tripz0	that's disappointing	02:23
tripz0	unbelievable	02:24
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auke	dear #meego habitants	02:32
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auke	please ignore the spam, freenode staff is actively working on resolving the issues	02:33
tripz0	yay	02:33
auke	I can't add ban lists since they're coming from different IP's every time	02:33
tripz0	botnet	02:33
auke	w00t_: +r seems a good idea for now, ty	02:33
tripz0	everyone is banned from #meego-dev ?	02:35
tripz0	or just developers?	02:35
w00t_	auke: aye	02:35
w00t_	tripz0: it was closed a few weeks ago	02:35
w00t_	there was a mail to meego-community, iirc	02:35
auke	same as #moblin - channel closed	02:36
* w00t_ digs it up		02:36
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tripz0	oh	02:36
tripz0	awesome	02:36
w00t_	http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-April/003843.html	02:36
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* Cherrot So many people here~		09:32
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Mirv	spammeti spam	09:59
Mirv	lots of highlights from the night :S	09:59
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timoph	oh. the conference session schedule is live	10:32
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sivang	hello all!	12:19
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Myrtti	meh	13:10
Myrtti	yesterdays image was a dud too	13:10
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JesusistGott	Shalom	13:17
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lcuk	Myrtti, which image did you try?	13:41
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* alterego is roasting		13:57
alterego	Too hawt :D	13:58
lcuk	alterego, it is scorchio!	13:58
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alterego	Yeah, I'm sitting in a perspex bus shelter, not helping much	13:58
* Hurrian starts up the MeeGo Tablet UX - N900 adaptation		13:59
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lcuk	alterego, I have the fan on here keeping cool	14:00
lcuk	in the club the other night it was way hot, thankfully they had air-conn :D	14:00
alterego	It's okay when you stay still ...	14:02
alterego	I was a bit hung over this morning.	14:03
alterego	Had left over chinese for brekfast, probably a bad idea.	14:03
* lcuk had a coffee so far, need to go find some bacon		14:05
alterego	Is it just me or does "RIM Playbook" sound dodgy?	14:07
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Stskeeps	alterego: you can watch porn on it. got flash. :P	14:09
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alterego	Heh	14:10
Myrtti	lcuk: yesterdays	14:11
Myrtti	lcuk: http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/	14:11
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wazd	o/ all	15:01
lcuk	\o wazd	15:01
lbt	ffs it's 2011... how come python has bugs in fseek?	15:01
RST38h	nobody needs fseek() in Python?	15:01
lcuk	lbt, it is 1301 by my clock	15:02
lcuk	what is up with fseek?	15:02
RST38h	So, what happened in 710 then?	15:02
lcuk	at 710 I was sleeping :P	15:03
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lcuk	morning CosmoHill	15:11
lcuk	I hear weather is hot hot hot down there today	15:11
alterego	It's blistering in Cambridge at the moment	15:12
CosmoHill	driving about with the sun roof and windows open with the blowers on	15:12
Viltapi	meh, i think my exopc broke after 1 week of use :(	15:15
Viltapi	i just shut it down normally and i couldnt boot it up anymore, not to bios, nothing	15:15
Viltapi	and i got it hooked up on the power cord	15:16
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lbt	Notice: some web services are going down ... bugs/forum etc	15:22
lcuk	lbt what is happening?	15:23
lbt	physical host OS upgrade	15:23
lcuk	sweet	15:24
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wathek	hi all	15:26
wathek	any one did use the 1$ gesture ?	15:26
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alterego	Yeah, that was announced the other day	15:30
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wathek	alterego, you used that ?	15:33
alterego	I'm talking about server upgrades.	15:33
alterego	Don't know what you're talking about :P	15:33
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wathek	ah lol	15:35
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* lcuk the sun is coming out :D		15:57
lcuk	bbq will be good	15:57
lbt	blame those damned Texans	15:57
lbt	they're stealin' our rain!	15:58
lbt	http://governor.state.tx.us/news/proclamation/16038/	15:58
lcuk	well if enough people hold their arms up to the sky, I guess you could create a cloud of armpit sweat shrug	15:59
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lcuk	has anyone got a 3d printer?	16:11
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henux	Does MeeGo have a future?	16:46
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berndhs	MeeGo has an excellent future, 2 big phone manufacturers just joined last week	16:49
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henux	I heard	16:49
henux	It doesn't mean it has a future	16:49
berndhs	I think it does	16:49
CosmoHill	people tend not to join sinking ships	16:49
henux	Well there are no MeeGo devices yet, are there?	16:49
henux	While Android and iPhone are shipping well	16:50
berndhs	so what	16:50
berndhs	meego devices will be better for users and for manufacturers	16:50
henux	What market share is there left for MeeGo once it ships?	16:50
henux	berndhs: Because of?	16:50
berndhs	100 % :)	16:50
henux	You're not giving reasons, you're giving hopes :)	16:51
berndhs	if you have market share today doesnt mean you have it tomorrow	16:51
CosmoHill	berndhs: is meego.com loading for you?	16:51
berndhs	meego will give manufacturers a choice of what they want, not what aapple wants or google	16:51
w00t_	wetab is available today	16:51
henux	What makes you think Android and iPhone doesn't have the market share tomorrow what it has today?	16:51
berndhs	choice	16:52
henux	CosmoHill: It doesn't work for me either	16:52
CosmoHill	consumers want choice, not everyone wants Andriod, iPhone or TrollOS	16:52
henux	berndhs: How do you mind choice? Google gives the choice for manufacturers of which version of Android to ship with?	16:52
berndhs	manufacturers want their own features and their own branding	16:53
berndhs	not google branding and google features	16:53
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berndhs	manufacturers dont want to be bossed around like apple and google do	16:54
henux	I have heard several manufacturers shipping with Android have put their own features into it since it's open source as well	16:54
henux	Althought I don't know about this personally	16:54
berndhs	android is going more closed source	16:54
berndhs	CosmoHill: not loading here, isnt this a maintenance day ?	16:54
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CosmoHill	"Android's kernel was derived from Linux but has been altered by Google outside the main Linux kernel tree.[151] Android does not have a native X Window System nor does it support the full set of standard GNU libraries, and this makes it difficult to port existing GNU/Linux applications or libraries to Android"	16:57
CosmoHill	wikipedia	16:57
henux	So what?	16:57
berndhs	makes android harder to work with	16:57
berndhs	android apps wont work on anything else	16:57
henux	I don't think that will matter	16:57
berndhs	closed ecosystem	16:58
henux	since iPhone AppStore is selling millions for Apple yet it's not very open either	16:58
berndhs	oh it matters, makes app production more expensive	16:58
henux	the only thing I'm interested about MeeGo is that it's Qt based	16:58
RST38h	Android does have SDL noe	16:58
RST38h	now	16:58
RST38h	And Qt too	16:59
berndhs	meego is building an ecosystem across all kinds of platforms	16:59
henux	RST38h: But the are unofficial	16:59
henux	berndhs: Which might not be good	16:59
berndhs	that is excellent, not just good	16:59
RST38h	Of course, what else would you expect?	16:59
berndhs	choice is never bad	16:59
henux	berndhs: No it might be terrible since it makes those apps harder to develop	16:59
berndhs	the only people who tell you choice is bad are people who dont want to give you choice	17:00
henux	berndhs: Instead of targetting for one platform, you will have to consider cross platform issues	17:00
berndhs	nonsense	17:00
henux	berndhs: Oh shut up	17:00
henux	:P	17:00
RST38h	The only people who will tell you that the choice is good are losers though =)	17:00
berndhs	cross platform done right is a win	17:00
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berndhs	anti-choice people are communists and dictators :P	17:01
berndhs	monopolists even	17:01
lolloo	TrollOS lol	17:01
berndhs	you dont have to develop cross platform, but you can	17:01
CosmoHill	lolloo: glade someone noticed	17:02
lolloo	haha	17:02
henux	Cross platformness is buzzword bingo	17:02
henux	mostly	17:02
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CosmoHill	if it's written in C++ and Qt I don't see what changed you'd need to make	17:03
berndhs	only for those who cant do it	17:03
henux	You have to take special considerations into mind when developing the app, and you need to test it etc.	17:03
berndhs	sure but you are not force into it	17:03
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CosmoHill	you can build for i586, ARM7 or both	17:04
berndhs	and it is still cheaper than developing each platform separetely	17:04
henux	CosmoHill: Well if you want to develope Mac OS X apps with native feel that integrates well into the system, you need to do more than just hacking the app with C++/Qt :P	17:04
berndhs	i have some linux apps that others ported to MAc	17:05
CosmoHill	I maybe thinking of a different cross platform to you	17:05
berndhs	took them less than a day	17:05
* CosmoHill was thinking of multiple arch support		17:05
berndhs	and my linuy apps run on windows when i want	17:05
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berndhs	for most user level apps, ARM/x86 is completely irrelevant	17:06
berndhs	screen size is a factor though, phone/tablet/desktop	17:07
henux	In any case, it will be interesting to see how will the MeeGo unfold eventually	17:08
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henux	At the moment, things are uncertain IMO	17:08
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berndhs	the future is uncertain, in that it hasnt happened yet :P	17:09
henux	The future is at least certain in that respect that Android and iPhone are big right now and tomorrow	17:09
berndhs	no the world economy may collapse next week again, so Android future is uncertain too	17:10
berndhs	and its all going to end next year anyway :)	17:11
CosmoHill	but what about monday?	17:11
CosmoHill	will they still be big then?	17:11
henux	With more certainty than for MeeGo	17:13
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berndhs	thats not relevant to the future of meego	17:13
henux	Sure they are	17:14
berndhs	meego will succeed if it is better, not if the others collapse by themselves	17:14
henux	It's not that simple, I am afraid	17:14
berndhs	sure marketing has to work too	17:14
henux	Products don't sell merely by being technically better	17:14
berndhs	not jsut technical features	17:14
henux	There are several examples when a technically superior product has lost to technically inferior out of many reasons	17:15
mikhas	marketing >> features/quality	17:15
CosmoHill	Beta Tapes	17:15
berndhs	but someone having market share today is not relevant to the question	17:15
henux	berndhs: Yes it is	17:15
vonder	windows ...	17:15
berndhs	marketing	17:15
henux	berndhs: A product having a big marketshare makes harder for new comers to come aroudn	17:15
henux	around*	17:15
CosmoHill	I do wish MS would have Windows Desktop and Windows Server and that was it	17:16
berndhs	so no new entries into the market ever have a chance ?	17:16
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henux	berndhs: I didn't say never have any change	17:16
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henux	But it certainly has an affect	17:16
berndhs	its harder to be the 3rd entry into the market sure	17:16
CosmoHill	if you never try you never know	17:16
berndhs	thats why you have to be better , and not just technically	17:17
henux	Yes yes, all say that	17:17
henux	That's a triviality	17:17
berndhs	and im saying meego has an excellent change to be better for users and manufacturers	17:18
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henux	Remains to be seen	17:18
berndhs	it is also a triviality that google and apple have big market share today	17:18
henux	Sure it is	17:18
henux	But them having an ever-growing market share trivially makes MeeGo harder to succeed :P	17:19
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berndhs	not if meego has support from device manufacturers	17:19
vonder	define success	17:19
vonder	not disappearing in a few years?	17:20
henux	vonder: sales	17:20
vonder	pfft	17:20
mikhas	sales? I would say profit	17:20
berndhs	sales are not interesting, profit is interesting :)	17:20
henux	sales, profit	17:20
henux	Device manufacturers have pushed the release date a few times already?	17:21
henux	For MeeGo devs	17:21
mikhas	meh	17:21
alterego	profit is more interesting, sell devices at a loss and make money on premium cintent and apps.	17:21
alterego	content ..	17:22
henux	Lets say if any of those manufacturers can push something out in the first half of this year :P	17:22
berndhs	who cares about first half of this year	17:22
henux	:P	17:23
berndhs	someone who starts with meego in april wont care about sales in june	17:23
mikhas	unless they started last year	17:23
mikhas	;-)	17:23
alterego	If someone could produce hardware as pretty and refined as Apple, sell at cost or maybe even below cost, and have a really good setup for apps and content. They'd be sorted.	17:24
henux	There's a lot of ifs there :P	17:25
alterego	Especially if the concentrated on the expanding gaming market.	17:25
henux	Even if they do that, it wouldn't guarantee profit and therefore the future of MeeGo	17:25
alterego	Business user requirements are quite standard and small, not much room for profit after sales.	17:26
henux	Since Apple has already a huge market share and the brand is known	17:26
vonder	what if it supported android apps natively?	17:26
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vonder	they all run on a special jvm right?	17:26
henux	alterego: But what would make those users to choose MeeGo instead of iOS ?	17:26
alterego	vonder: very possible considering that project that was announced a month or so ago.	17:26
alterego	henux: price and aesthetics :P	17:27
vonder	alterego: what was the name of that project?	17:27
mikhas	henux, a huge bad-ass marketing campaign	17:27
henux	alterego: hehe :P	17:27
alterego	and publicity in the right market segments targeted at the right consumers.	17:27
mikhas	which depicts all Apple and Android users as losers	17:27
* w00t_ yawns		17:27
mikhas	and all MeeGo users as ultra cool and hip	17:27
alterego	mikhas: which is mostly true! :D	17:27
w00t_	(am I the only one that finds these sort of discussions really boring? :P)	17:27
mikhas	that's the sad part about it ...	17:28
vonder	well - the trolling has stayed civil thus far ... perhaps we should start insulting each other?	17:28
lbt	ooh a troll ... and no-one told me :)	17:29
vonder	that should sex it up a bit for you	17:29
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vonder	"Alien Dalvik"	17:30
vonder	‘enables the majority of Android applications to run unmodified, allowing application store owners to quickly kick start Android application store services by simply repackaging Android Package (APK) files’.	17:30
vonder	will run on meego, maemo	17:30
vonder	anyone still use maemo?	17:30
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vonder	http://thehandheldblog.com/2011/02/08/alien-dalvik-android-apps-meego-maemo/	17:33
vonder	has a nice video with side by side examples	17:33
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thp	{sf2011,wiki}.meego.com are down for me	17:47
henux	meego.com has been shutdown since they can't afford to upkeep it anymore	17:49
henux	you know, bad sales so far	17:49
henux	:P	17:49
w00t_	thp: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-April/482740.html	17:50
w00t_	(I guess it's related)	17:51
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thp	w00t_: good - it's a planned outage :)	17:57
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CosmoHill	wait, henux did you say that the free software had bad sales?	18:29
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berndhs	yeah windows desktop is a comlete failure, their free downloads are down to zero	18:33
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V3rtig0	Where can I find the latest meego-version?	19:50
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dm8tbr	V3rtig0: on meego.com	20:03
Myrtti	I kinda thought that was a trick question	20:04
V3rtig0	c_c	20:05
V3rtig0	I meant the latest meego-image	20:05
V3rtig0	:D	20:05
V3rtig0	but I found it	20:05
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V3rtig0	hm	21:13
V3rtig0	My computer doesn't seem to find the device when trying to load the kernel to the phone	21:14
V3rtig0	Any known tricks? I tried holding the U-key on the phone	21:15
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ery5y4r	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. ery5y4r NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc\|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagoss Bostik MoRpHeUz	21:33
ery5y4r	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. Myrtti eluttine sampos krau ubIx_ saidinesh5 wmarone__ mitsutaka Frye srag DocScrutinizer jedix jevin_ pcfe mikeleib TSCHAKeee Kaadlajk ivanich tchan thiago aloril matrixx githogori shadeslayer Fargh auke Christie MohammadAG idoru RichiH jop	21:33
ery5y4r	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. poutsi kaitlin_ jjo NishanthMenon nghtwsh_ bboyvat pierce bilboed araujo theodor srikanth_rst bkalinga hoax__ mrmoku GeneralAntilles lcuk kahless pcacjr__ lool Corsac grinsekatze kimitake_idle vivijim infobot ifdef42 Openfree` RST38h Mek cmv	21:33
ery5y4r	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. mmeeks inz rib_away` kulve sp3000 orospakr Ian--- chem\|st chainsawbike jsharper vgrade vldcnst V3rtig0 xxiao barisione balrog-k2n ablasche_ the-gibson\|home visz dazo_afk fiberspeed jbarron Kiranos RhymeswA tmikola patburke rescbr` sheepbat j	21:33
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ery5y4r	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. TheXception\|off hhurtta penghb RaymondL mockillo Guest5293 jysky Viltapi jbos mato- fscker Lyytim Tumi_ DeuX lfranchi ukas diegobz compengi tzorvas mythi pvuorela akiniemi Flanbix Beineri xxtjaxx zimmerle balgarath heffer mullein w00t_ MeeGo	21:33
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psijackoff	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. psijackoff NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc\|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagoss Bostik Mo	21:33
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shadeslayer	sigh	21:34
phl0x81	not again :/	21:34
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swc\|666	not this shit again	21:34
pcfe	oh FFS	21:34
RST38h	Jesus did not help him this time	21:34
shadeslayer	someone has alot of time this weekend	21:34
dm8tbr	kids have a long weekend	21:34
phl0x81	as I said yesterday: if you can, make jesus a bad word...	21:34
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swc\|666	heh AS25319 80.97.56.0/22 MOLDINFONET informational governmental network.	21:35
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a-02m	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. a-02m mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc\|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagos	21:35
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retw34	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. retw34 mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc\|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thia	21:35
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kraiskil	yay spambot!	21:35
kraiskil	er.. spambot-killing-bot	21:36
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uotuiouio	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. uotuiouio mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc\|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wien	21:36
uotuiouio	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. otep_ dmb itbaron jnwi Myrtti eluttine sampos krau ubIx_ saidinesh5 wmarone__ mitsutaka Frye srag DocScrutinizer jedix jevin_ pcfe mikeleib TSCHAKeee Kaadlajk ivanich tchan thiago aloril matrixx githogori shadeslayer Fargh auke Christi	21:36
uotuiouio	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. ab _des_ povbot jausmus poutsi kaitlin_ jjo NishanthMenon nghtwsh_ bboyvat pierce bilboed araujo theodor srikanth_rst bkalinga hoax__ mrmoku GeneralAntilles lcuk kahless pcacjr__ lool Corsac grinsekatze kimitake_idle vivijim infobot if	21:36
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LiraNuna	oh dear god	21:36
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Atarii	#spoilers the jesus is a lie	21:36
swc\|666	lol	21:37
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anwerb	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. anwerb mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc\|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-	21:38
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anwerb	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. anwerb fish1209 mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc\|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagoss Bost	21:38
anwerb	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. itbaron jnwi Myrtti eluttine sampos krau ubIx_ saidinesh5 wmarone__ mitsutaka Frye srag DocScrutinizer jedix pcfe mikeleib TSCHAKeee Kaadlajk ivanich tchan thiago aloril matrixx githogori Fargh auke Christie MohammadAG idoru RichiH jophish	21:38
anwerb	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. kaitlin_ jjo NishanthMenon nghtwsh_ bboyvat pierce bilboed araujo theodor srikanth_rst bkalinga hoax__ mrmoku GeneralAntilles lcuk kahless pcacjr__ lool Corsac grinsekatze kimitake_idle vivijim infobot ifdef42 Openfree` RST38h Mek cmvo elpr	21:38
anwerb	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. rib_away` kulve sp3000 orospakr Ian--- chem\|st chainsawbike jsharper vgrade vldcnst V3rtig0 xxiao barisione balrog-k2n ablasche_ the-gibson\|home visz dazo_afk fiberspeed jbarron Kiranos RhymeswA tmikola patburke rescbr` sheepbat juvuolle-l	21:38
anwerb	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. TheXception\|off hhurtta penghb RaymondL mockillo Guest5293 jysky Viltapi jbos mato- fscker Lyytim Tumi_ DeuX lfranchi ukas diegobz compengi tzorvas mythi pvuorela akiniemi Flanbix Beineri xxtjaxx zimmerle balgarath heffer mullein w00t_ MeeG	21:38
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tdyuty8g	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. tdyuty8g fish1209 mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc\|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagos	21:38
tdyuty8g	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. itbaron jnwi Myrtti eluttine sampos krau ubIx_ saidinesh5 wmarone__ mitsutaka Frye srag DocScrutinizer jedix pcfe mikeleib TSCHAKeee Kaadlajk ivanich tchan thiago aloril matrixx githogori Fargh auke Christie MohammadAG idoru RichiH joph	21:38
tdyuty8g	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. kaitlin_ jjo NishanthMenon nghtwsh_ bboyvat pierce bilboed araujo theodor srikanth_rst bkalinga hoax__ mrmoku GeneralAntilles lcuk kahless pcacjr__ lool Corsac grinsekatze kimitake_idle vivijim infobot ifdef42 Openfree` RST38h Mek cmvo	21:38
tdyuty8g	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. rib_away` kulve sp3000 orospakr Ian--- chem\|st chainsawbike jsharper vgrade vldcnst V3rtig0 xxiao barisione balrog-k2n ablasche_ the-gibson\|home visz dazo_afk fiberspeed jbarron Kiranos RhymeswA tmikola patburke rescbr` sheepbat juvuoll	21:38
tdyuty8g	IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR PERSONAL LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO CHURCH THIS EASTER SUNDAY AND BEG GOD FOR FORGIVENESS. TheXception\|off hhurtta penghb RaymondL mockillo Guest5293 jysky Viltapi jbos mato- fscker Lyytim Tumi_ DeuX lfranchi ukas diegobz compengi tzorvas mythi pvuorela akiniemi Flanbix Beineri xxtjaxx zimmerle balgarath heffer mullein w00t_	21:38
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phl0x81	+r helped yesterday :)	21:39
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w00t_	better	21:39
Christie	WTDuck! >_<	21:39
Atarii	wonder why out of all the chans #meego is seen as the most needing to "repent"	21:39
RST38h	Noparticular reason,it is probably spamming more than #meego	21:39
tackat	Probably Jesus loves #meego, too	21:39
tackat	;)	21:39
phl0x81	yeah, #qt or other channels are not spammed.	21:39
dm8tbr	w00t_: on #hamradio we allow people in but have a mute on not registered nicks, works well too ;)	21:39
Myrtti	one of the bigger channels that isn't +s	21:40
I-C-Wiener	perhaps we have the most atteists and therefore most potential to convert someone	21:40
RST38h	There is a plenty of channels here, you can't know he is not spamming anyone else	21:40
Atarii	i'm in a lot of them and this is the only one	21:40
phl0x81	I consider myself as a C++ Taliban ;)	21:40
RST38h	ICWiener: YOu meant agnostics, not atheists	21:40
dm8tbr	he gets auto-killed, that means he also spams channels with watch-bots	21:40
w00t_	dm8tbr: i'd really rather not (in the longr term I mean), i'm hoping they'll get bored given they keep getting banned :)	21:40
RST38h	Oh, wait, I know why it is doing that	21:40
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dm8tbr	w00t_: sure, just mentioning it. #hamradio had problems with the GNAA coming back for a long time :(	21:41
I-C-Wiener	My guess is, he'll keep doing it for some days and then ask for money to stop	21:41
I-C-Wiener	nobody is going to buy the religious message anyway	21:41
w00t_	you never know	21:42
w00t_	i'm considering converting(!)	21:42
dm8tbr	bbl (praying) ;p	21:42
I-C-Wiener	lol	21:42
w00t_	(ok, irc doesn't convey sarcasm well)	21:42
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RST38h	Tomorrow is Easter. So, all the Jesus-bitten are having a fit tonight	21:42
dm8tbr	nah, that had its culmination yesterday	21:43
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w00t_	mmmm, delicious easter	21:43
* dm8tbr throws w00t_ a chocolate easter-egg		21:44
phl0x81	may god strike their machines with lightnings ;)	21:44
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berndhs	lets leave the religious stuff to the Saint Steve worshippers where it belongs	21:45
w00t_	dm8tbr: thanks, though i had mine yesterday :)	21:47
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dm8tbr	during fast, psssh :p	21:47
* w00t_ is a devout observer of the chocolate, and that's it		21:48
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berndhs	we should observe bacon as well, and barley malt products	21:49
CosmoHill	oh fun, they came back	21:49
Venemo	good evening meegoists :)	21:50
berndhs	its early afternoon	21:50
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lcuk	berndhs, bacon is for consumption, not observation.	21:52
dm8tbr	berndhs: the FSM loves you and bacon shall be your sign, you shall consume it whenever you feel like so	21:52
RST38h	FSM is most likely Satan.	21:53
Venemo	lcuk, any success with your packaging cause?	21:53
lcuk	Venemo, idk, I sent a mail during easter weekend, I don't expect it to even be read until tuesday	21:54
lcuk	and it is not a cause, it is common sense based on stuff	21:54
lcuk	it should be practical and simple to create and distribute meego qt app	21:55
Venemo	lcuk, yeah, I agree :)	21:57
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Venemo	:)	22:15
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