IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2011-04-23

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lcukshould meego devices be able to see and use a printer on the network?00:19
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lcukI know in maemo we couldn't by default00:19
lcukbut hoping that with standard stack it would00:19
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wmarone__It should, especially if other mobile platforms are gaining the ability00:20
lcukcool00:21
wmarone__well00:21
wmarone__I say "should" in the sense that if it doesn't, it needs to00:21
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lcukwmarone__, it depends which apps really00:22
lcukie, few use cases where it is a requirement from handset00:22
lcukbut when you iget devices which happily run libreoffice or ooo etc00:22
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wmarone__yeah, as it becomes more likely a need00:23
lcukI think Qt has support though00:23
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wmarone__of course, with Qt it shouldn't be a question00:23
* lcuk knows of only a couple of printing use cases00:23
lcukthe postcard app certainly :)00:23
lcukwmarone__, it is more a question of system configuration though00:24
lcukqt might support printing, but not very good if the OS itself did not do the driver connections and ui configurators and print queue management00:25
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thiagothe OS does all of that00:33
thiagoQt simply draws to PDF00:33
lcukthiago, that was the point of the question00:34
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lcukhahaha gabrbedd00:44
lcuktracy responded00:44
* gabrbedd flinches00:44
lcukI need one of those platform things on wheels, I forget the name. Is00:44
lcukSegway right??00:44
lcukI would slap but need him to come closer cos I can't get up off the00:44
lcukcouch so easily anymore!!00:44
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gabrbedd:-)00:45
lcukthe segway idea is interesting00:46
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lcukwhich remote control software can I use on my meego n900 to talk to my computer00:47
* lcuk has not gotten xv working yet so needs something to do tv volume00:47
aukelcuk: we hate cups, I wish it would die :)00:48
lcukauke, everybody does00:48
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w00t_I prefer glasses00:49
lcukheh00:50
* lcuk pleased jake has not found out the new printer has a scanner/photocopier too00:50
lcukthere would be an endless pile of printouts of trains and stuff00:51
lcuk---------------00:53
lcukqt question: around each of the conferences, there are normally a group of hackers and coding competitions and stuff - the apps made during those competitions, are they ever installable and could we install a "meego summit fi pack" of all of them in one go?00:54
lcuklikewise for any qt dev event00:54
thiagodunno00:54
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thiagoI've never used or seen one of those apps00:54
lcukwell what is the normal route right now, if someone in meego sdk has written a cool little app00:55
lcukhow much effort from user does it take to be able to show it to me or you00:55
lcuktake Venemo, he has a great little qt app00:56
lcukhow would I get it on my meego device?00:56
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Venemolcuk, 'wget http://sources.venemo.net/puzzle-master-1.2.2-1.fc15.src.rpm' 'rpmbuild --rebuild puzzle-master-1.2.2-1.fc15.src.rpm' 'rpm -i puzzle-master-*.rpm'00:57
lcukhah, and that would work happily on the n900 too?00:57
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lcukwhat about installing dependencies?00:58
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lcukVenemo, and you already have an rpm package00:58
lcukqt afaik does not automagically create such a thing?00:58
Venemolcuk, obviously, you need to build in SDK and then install it on-device.00:58
Venemolcuk, you need to create an RPM .spec file, which is quite easy to do00:59
lcukVenemo, not obviously00:59
Venemolcuk, I guess they could also teach how to make a .spec file on that conference.00:59
lcukyou are thinking from POV of a developer00:59
Venemowell, yeah.00:59
lcukI thought a default basic installation package could be generated?00:59
lcuklike visual basic had a package and deployment wizard01:00
Venemofor Maemo, Qt Creator does that (although it does that very crappily). I'm not sure about MeeGo.01:00
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Venemolcuk, I can show you how to make a simple .spec file that should be enough for any Qt applications01:02
Venemolcuk, then you can tell that to the attendants of the conference and then they can package their apps :)01:03
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lcukVenemo, I was just pondering why we do not see many apps from these conf sessions, but it goes further01:04
lcukit is just the learning curve required for app deployment01:05
Venemolcuk, so, you could act and teach them to make .spec01:05
Venemolcuk, it is a __LOT__ easier than .deb01:05
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lcukthey contain similar information01:05
lcukit is just the format that changes01:05
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lcukVenemo, better would be to talk with one of the qt trainers01:07
* lcuk recalls talking and smoking with one of them at the Dublin conf01:07
Venemolcuk, what stops you from talking to them?01:08
* lcuk finds his card01:08
Venemolcuk, anyhow, I can give you a simple .spec template that any Qt app could use.01:08
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lcukJurgen Bocklage-Ryannel!   :D01:08
lcukVenemo, because I am tired and try to do too much already, I will however email him this convo01:09
Venemolcuk, anyhow, are you interested in the .spec?01:10
lcukyes01:11
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Venemolcuk, http://sources.venemo.net/puzzle-master.spec01:12
lcukthanks01:13
Venemolcuk, it's pretty self explanatory isn't it01:13
lcukVenemo, yes, and that installs on meego?01:13
Venemolcuk, yes, it should.01:14
lcukgood01:14
lcukta \o01:14
Venemolcuk, would be best if you could actually test it. I recall someone here testing it already, but you can never be sure enough01:15
lcukI haven't got a device booted atm01:16
ali1234Venemo: i disagree that the spec file is "self explanatory"01:17
ali1234nearly every line contains something that i don't understand01:18
Venemoali1234, okay, I'll make comments.01:18
* lcuk emails Jurgen01:18
ali1234some questions that immediately spring to mind:01:19
ali1234how to select a Group:01:19
ali1234what is the difference between version and release?01:19
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thiagothe version is the one from the upstream01:20
ali1234"type -P qmake-qt4 &>/dev/null && qmake-qt4 || qmake" what is this??01:20
thiagorelease is the version of this RPM (the .spec)01:20
Venemoali1234, "what is this" -> that is actually commented...01:20
thiagoali1234: determining if qmake is called qmake or qmake-qt401:20
thiagosome distros rename01:20
ali1234yeah the comment does not explain... why such a complex command01:21
ali1234why you can't just write "qmake-qt4 || qmake"01:21
lcukgnite guys \o01:21
Venemoali1234, this is what google returned number 1 when I searched for "how to check if a command is available"01:21
ali1234ok, continuing01:22
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ali1234the whole %files section is something i find particularly evil01:22
Venemothat is what tells what files should be included in the package01:22
ali1234no, it;s nt01:23
ali1234it's a list of files that must end up in the package, otherwise the build will fail01:23
thiagoali1234: because it will print out an error01:23
ali1234the mechanism that gets files into the package... is something different01:23
ali1234like i said, particularly evil...01:24
Venemoali1234, this _tells_ rpmbuild what files to put into the rpm. that's all.01:24
ali1234...and also what files to not put in the package01:25
ali1234it seems to me that you have to list every file that is produced by your build whether you want it to go into the package or not01:26
Venemoali1234, incorrect. you need to list every file that you want in your package. and of course, rpmbuild will give you a warning for those that you forgot to mention01:27
Venemoali1234, wildchars are allowed in case you have many files.01:27
ali1234in my experience that warning is set to be a fatal error01:28
ali1234in fact the whole thing is *very* difficult to understand01:29
Venemoali1234, no.01:29
ali1234where are those files being pulled from?01:29
Venemoali1234, from the build root01:29
ali1234that's after a make install?01:30
Venemomake INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT install01:30
Venemothis puts your stuff into $RPM_BUILD_ROOT01:30
ali1234so if make install installs a bunch of files01:30
ali1234and you don't want all of them in the package01:30
ali1234so you only list some of them in %files01:30
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ali1234this will cause a fatal error01:30
Venemoyou simply delete them after make install?01:30
ali1234yeah. simple01:30
ali1234so the files in %files has to exactly match what is in the build root after %build step01:31
ali1234there's nothing about it that says "these are the files that i want in the package" - although it does *look* like that to a new users of RPM01:31
ali1234what it actually is is a list of exactly what %build should have produced01:32
ali1234if you want to control what goes in the package, you have to put it in the earlier step (ie by deleting the files you don't want)01:32
Venemowell ali1234, the SANE thing to do is put all files outputted by make install to the package01:32
ali1234this is very unclear part of using rpm/.spec01:32
Venemoali1234, why wouldn't want a file in your package that is created by make install?01:32
Venemoali1234, and if that file is not needed, why does your make install create it in the first place?01:33
berndhswhy would make install install things you dont want installed ?01:33
ali1234well maybe i do... the problem is that the same spec will produce a different set of files after make install, when compiled under different toolchain/OS01:33
Venemoberndhs ++01:33
ali1234so in porting a rpm, i have to hack the %files section to make it reflect what the build actually produces01:33
ali1234or hack the build section to delete the extra files01:34
thiagoyes01:34
Venemoali1234, well, if you already hacked your makefile to be dependant of toolchain/OS, you deserve to hack the .spec as well...01:34
ali1234yes01:34
ali1234because nearly all packages are packaged by the person who wrote them, right?01:34
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Venemoali1234, my condolences.01:35
ali1234oh by the way, can you guess which package i ran into this issue with?01:35
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Venemoali1234, no idea. tell me about it01:35
ali1234it was rpmbuild01:35
Venemoali1234, hahah.01:35
Venemoali1234, btw, thanks for the 'qmake || qmake-qt4' tip01:36
thiagothe other way around01:36
ali1234it wasn't a tip, i thought there was a genuinely good reason why you were testing for it01:36
ali1234i assume that's what "type" was doing01:37
thiagotype checks if it's a file01:37
ali1234surely you want to use test to test it's an executable01:37
berndhsknowing that "qmake" is present doesnt help, it can be qmake-qt301:38
ali1234knowing any of them are present doesn't help01:38
ali1234either it runs or you try the other one01:38
ali1234however, if qmake-qt4 exists, you run it, and then it fails for some other reason01:38
berndhswell if there is qmake-qt4 thats the one you want01:39
ali1234then the short version will attempt to run qmake... which might not be what you want01:39
ali1234actually the long version would too01:39
ali1234i have no idea if this can cause a problem01:39
Venemoberndhs, it's called 'qmake' on MeeGo and 'qmake-qt4' on Fedora01:39
berndhsisnt there a macro for it ? %{qmake_qt4} or something?01:40
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Venemoberndhs, really? that would make my day.01:40
berndhsVenemo: no it is also qmake-qt4 on something else, and sometimes qmake on fedora01:40
Venemono, there is no 'qmake' on Fedora01:40
berndhsyes there is01:40
ali1234you would think that they'd give you both01:41
Venemoberndhs, 'yum whatprovides /usr/bin/qmake' -> no results.01:41
ali1234ie if you install 3 and 4 you'd have qmake-qt3 and qmake-qt4 and qmake pointing to whichever is default for the distro01:41
MohammadAGqmake-qt4 should be a "provides" for /usr/bin/qmake01:41
ali1234like they do with python01:41
berndhsthey give you more than both :)01:41
Venemoanyway. there is no 'qmake' on Fedora and there is no 'qmake-qt4' on MeeGo. that's it.01:42
berndhsi saw qmake-qt4 on something that wasnt fedora, and i didnt put it there :)01:44
gabrbeddOn debian... qmake is managed by the alternatives system.  It's a symlink to either qmake-qt3 or qmake-qt4 (determined by the admin)01:45
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berndhsyes its a very enteraining issue :)01:46
Venemoso anyway.01:47
ali1234heh... iow debian handles it in a sensible way that means you can always get what you want without having to run tests against the OS01:47
Venemoqmake || qmake-qt4 will do it, right?01:47
ali1234no01:47
Venemowhy not?01:47
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ali1234because what happens if they both exist and the first one fails for some other reason?01:47
ali1234answer: the second one runs and messes everything up01:47
ali1234what you actually need to do is say "if meego, qmake else if fedora qmake-qt4, else if ..."01:49
ali1234simple right?01:49
gabrbeddali1234: Nah... debian's system only works if (a) you're the admin and (b) you only ever use one or the other.  :-)01:49
ali1234or find out if there's a widely available macro01:49
Venemoali1234, well, the second one will definitely not mess it up...01:49
ali1234Venemo: it will if you don't want it to run01:50
Venemoanyway, I don't care. this should work on Fedora and MeeGo and that's it.01:50
gabrbeddAlso, on fedora qmake could be qt3's qmake... right?01:50
ali1234probably01:50
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Venemogabrbedd, there is no 'qmake' on fedora.01:51
MohammadAGfedora should have qmake01:51
Venemoit has 'qmake-qt4'01:51
gabrbeddok.  seems odd, though.01:51
gabrbeddIs `/usr/share/qt4/bin/qmake` fairly universal?01:53
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berndhsi dont even have /usr/share/qt4/bin01:54
Venemome neither01:54
Venemoanyway01:54
Venemoall Fedora Qt packages I've seen use 'qmake-qt4' so that's gonna be it.01:54
berndhsthats why i have a faux-automake "configure" script :)01:55
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Venemolcuk, there is already a very nice tutorial about packaging in the MeeGo wiki02:04
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Venemolcuk, http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.0/Packaging/Tutorial http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Tutorials/Packaging02:08
Venemolcuk, tell the guys about those in the conference02:08
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Venemooh no, not again02:13
panaggio_man, that again? =(02:13
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phl0x81lol02:13
MohammadAGoh ffs02:13
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riotway too much spam here.02:14
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riotsomeone aiming specifically against #meego?02:14
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phl0x81wtf?02:15
kloerijust ignore the spam02:16
juanmanban 41.160.153.180 please02:16
panaggio_riot: I've received these only here today02:16
VenemoI do not believe in jesus christ.02:16
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kloerijuanman: it's klined, so no need to ban it02:16
phl0x81just make Jesus a bad word ;)02:17
tripz0that's disappointing02:23
tripz0unbelievable02:24
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aukedear #meego habitants02:32
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aukeplease ignore the spam, freenode staff is actively working on resolving the issues02:33
tripz0yay02:33
aukeI can't add ban lists since they're coming from different IP's every time02:33
tripz0botnet02:33
aukew00t_: +r seems a good idea for now, ty02:33
tripz0everyone is banned from #meego-dev ?02:35
tripz0or just developers?02:35
w00t_auke: aye02:35
w00t_tripz0: it was closed a few weeks ago02:35
w00t_there was a mail to meego-community, iirc02:35
aukesame as #moblin - channel closed02:36
* w00t_ digs it up02:36
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tripz0oh02:36
tripz0awesome02:36
w00t_http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-April/003843.html02:36
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jedixwow, look at all those dcc spams03:21
CosmoHilljust don't open any03:22
CosmoHillcyas03:22
mikeleibI think my client is too smart for DCC03:22
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* Cherrot So many people here~09:32
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Mirvspammeti spam09:59
Mirvlots of highlights from the night :S09:59
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timophoh. the conference session schedule is live10:32
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sivanghello all!12:19
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vonderhiya12:19
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Myrttiyesterdays image was a dud too13:10
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lcukMyrtti, which image did you try?13:41
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* alterego is roasting13:57
alteregoToo hawt :D13:58
lcukalterego, it is scorchio!13:58
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alteregoYeah, I'm sitting in a perspex bus shelter, not helping much13:58
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lcukalterego, I have the fan on here keeping cool14:00
lcukin the club the other night it was way hot, thankfully they had air-conn :D14:00
alteregoIt's okay when you stay still ...14:02
alteregoI was a bit hung over this morning.14:03
alteregoHad left over chinese for brekfast, probably a bad idea.14:03
* lcuk had a coffee so far, need to go find some bacon14:05
alteregoIs it just me or does "RIM Playbook" sound dodgy?14:07
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Stskeepsalterego: you can watch porn on it. got flash. :P14:09
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alteregoHeh14:10
Myrttilcuk: yesterdays14:11
Myrttilcuk: http://download.meego.com/trunk-daily/builds/trunk/latest/images/meego-tablet-ia32-pinetrail/14:11
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wazdo/ all15:01
lcuk\o wazd15:01
lbtffs it's 2011... how come python has bugs in fseek?15:01
RST38hnobody needs fseek() in Python?15:01
lcuklbt, it is 1301 by my clock15:02
lcukwhat is up with fseek?15:02
RST38hSo, what happened in 710 then?15:02
lcukat 710 I was sleeping :P15:03
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lcukmorning CosmoHill15:11
lcukI hear weather is hot hot hot down there today15:11
alteregoIt's blistering in Cambridge at the moment15:12
CosmoHilldriving about with the sun roof and windows  open with the blowers on15:12
Viltapimeh, i think my exopc broke after 1 week of use :(15:15
Viltapii just shut it down normally and i couldnt boot it up anymore, not to bios, nothing15:15
Viltapiand i got it hooked up on the power cord15:16
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lbtNotice: some web services are going down ... bugs/forum etc15:22
lcuklbt what is happening?15:23
lbtphysical host OS upgrade15:23
lcuksweet15:24
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wathekhi all15:26
wathekany one did use the 1$ gesture ?15:26
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alteregoYeah, that was announced the other day15:30
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wathekalterego, you used that ?15:33
alteregoI'm talking about server upgrades.15:33
alteregoDon't know what you're talking about :P15:33
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wathekah lol15:35
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* lcuk the sun is coming out :D15:57
lcukbbq will be good15:57
lbtblame those damned Texans15:57
lbtthey're stealin' our rain!15:58
lbthttp://governor.state.tx.us/news/proclamation/16038/15:58
lcukwell if enough people hold their arms up to the sky, I guess you could create a cloud of armpit sweat *shrug*15:59
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lcukhas anyone got a 3d printer?16:11
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henuxDoes MeeGo have a future?16:46
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berndhsMeeGo has an excellent future, 2 big phone manufacturers just joined last week16:49
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henuxI heard16:49
henuxIt doesn't mean it has a future16:49
berndhsI think it does16:49
CosmoHillpeople tend not to join sinking ships16:49
henuxWell there are no MeeGo devices yet, are there?16:49
henuxWhile Android and iPhone are shipping well16:50
berndhsso what16:50
berndhsmeego devices will be better for users and for manufacturers16:50
henuxWhat market share is there left for MeeGo once it ships?16:50
henuxberndhs: Because of?16:50
berndhs100 % :)16:50
henuxYou're not giving reasons, you're giving hopes :)16:51
berndhsif you have market share today doesnt mean you have it tomorrow16:51
CosmoHillberndhs: is meego.com loading for you?16:51
berndhsmeego will give manufacturers a choice of what they want, not what aapple wants or google16:51
w00t_wetab is available today16:51
henuxWhat makes you think Android and iPhone doesn't have the market share tomorrow what it has today?16:51
berndhschoice16:52
henuxCosmoHill: It doesn't work for me either16:52
CosmoHillconsumers want choice, not everyone wants Andriod, iPhone or TrollOS16:52
henuxberndhs: How do you mind choice?  Google gives the choice for manufacturers of which version of Android to ship with?16:52
berndhsmanufacturers want their own features and their own branding16:53
berndhsnot google branding and google features16:53
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berndhsmanufacturers dont want to be bossed around like apple and google do16:54
henuxI have heard several manufacturers shipping with Android have put their own features into it since it's open source as well16:54
henuxAlthought I don't know about this personally16:54
berndhsandroid is going more closed source16:54
berndhsCosmoHill: not loading here, isnt this a maintenance day ?16:54
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CosmoHill"Android's kernel was derived from Linux but has been altered by Google outside the main Linux kernel tree.[151] Android does not have a native X Window System nor does it support the full set of standard GNU libraries, and this makes it difficult to port existing GNU/Linux applications or libraries to Android"16:57
CosmoHillwikipedia16:57
henuxSo what?16:57
berndhsmakes android harder to work with16:57
berndhsandroid apps wont work on anything else16:57
henuxI don't think that will matter16:57
berndhsclosed ecosystem16:58
henuxsince iPhone AppStore is selling millions for Apple yet it's not very open either16:58
berndhsoh it matters, makes app production more expensive16:58
henuxthe only thing I'm interested about MeeGo is that it's Qt based16:58
RST38hAndroid does have SDL noe16:58
RST38hnow16:58
RST38hAnd Qt too16:59
berndhsmeego is building an ecosystem across all kinds of platforms16:59
henuxRST38h: But the are unofficial16:59
henuxberndhs: Which might not be good16:59
berndhsthat is excellent, not just good16:59
RST38hOf course, what else would you expect?16:59
berndhschoice is never bad16:59
henuxberndhs: No it might be terrible since it makes those apps harder to develop16:59
berndhsthe only people who tell you choice is bad are people who dont want to give you choice17:00
henuxberndhs: Instead of targetting for one platform, you will have to consider cross platform issues17:00
berndhsnonsense17:00
henuxberndhs: Oh shut up17:00
henux:P17:00
RST38hThe only people who will tell you that the choice is good are losers though =)17:00
berndhscross platform done right is a win17:00
* RST38h makes a trollface17:00
berndhsanti-choice people are communists and dictators :P17:01
berndhsmonopolists even17:01
lollooTrollOS lol17:01
berndhsyou dont have to develop cross platform, but you can17:01
CosmoHilllolloo: glade someone noticed17:02
lolloohaha17:02
henuxCross platformness is buzzword bingo17:02
henuxmostly17:02
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CosmoHillif it's written in C++ and Qt I don't see what changed you'd need to make17:03
berndhsonly for those who cant do it17:03
henuxYou have to take special considerations into mind when developing the app, and you need to test it etc.17:03
berndhssure but you are not force into it17:03
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CosmoHillyou can build for i586, ARM7 or both17:04
berndhsand it is still cheaper than developing each platform separetely17:04
henuxCosmoHill: Well if you want to develope Mac OS X apps with native feel that integrates well into the system, you need to do more than just hacking the app with C++/Qt :P17:04
berndhsi have some linux apps that others ported to MAc17:05
CosmoHillI maybe thinking of a different cross platform to you17:05
berndhstook them less than a day17:05
* CosmoHill was thinking of multiple arch support17:05
berndhsand my linuy apps run on windows when i want17:05
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berndhsfor most user level apps, ARM/x86 is completely irrelevant17:06
berndhsscreen size is a factor though, phone/tablet/desktop17:07
henuxIn any case, it will be interesting to see how will the MeeGo unfold eventually17:08
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henuxAt the moment, things are uncertain IMO17:08
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berndhsthe future is uncertain, in that it hasnt happened yet :P17:09
henuxThe future is at least certain in that respect that Android and iPhone are big right now and tomorrow17:09
berndhsno the world economy may collapse next week again, so Android future is uncertain too17:10
berndhsand its all going to end next year anyway :)17:11
CosmoHillbut what about monday?17:11
CosmoHillwill they still be big then?17:11
henuxWith more certainty than for MeeGo17:13
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berndhsthats not relevant to the future of meego17:13
henuxSure they are17:14
berndhsmeego will succeed if it is better, not if the others collapse by themselves17:14
henuxIt's not that simple, I am afraid17:14
berndhssure marketing has to work too17:14
henuxProducts don't sell merely by being technically better17:14
berndhsnot jsut technical features17:14
henuxThere are several examples when a technically superior product has lost to technically inferior out of many reasons17:15
mikhasmarketing >> features/quality17:15
CosmoHillBeta Tapes17:15
berndhsbut someone having market share today is not relevant to the question17:15
henuxberndhs: Yes it is17:15
vonderwindows ...17:15
berndhsmarketing17:15
henuxberndhs: A product having a big marketshare makes harder for new comers to come aroudn17:15
henuxaround*17:15
CosmoHillI do wish MS would have Windows Desktop and Windows Server and that was it17:16
berndhsso no new entries into the market ever have a chance ?17:16
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henuxberndhs: I didn't say never have any change17:16
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henuxBut it certainly has an affect17:16
berndhsits harder to be the 3rd entry into the market sure17:16
CosmoHillif you never try you never know17:16
berndhsthats why you have to be better , and not just technically17:17
henuxYes yes, all say that17:17
henuxThat's a triviality17:17
berndhsand im saying meego has an excellent change to be better for users and manufacturers17:18
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henuxRemains to be seen17:18
berndhsit is also a triviality that google and apple have big market share today17:18
henuxSure it is17:18
henuxBut them having an ever-growing market share trivially makes MeeGo harder to succeed :P17:19
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berndhsnot if meego has support from device manufacturers17:19
vonderdefine success17:19
vondernot disappearing in a few years?17:20
henuxvonder: sales17:20
vonderpfft17:20
mikhassales? I would say profit17:20
berndhssales are not interesting, profit is interesting :)17:20
henuxsales, profit17:20
henuxDevice manufacturers have pushed the release date a few times already?17:21
henuxFor MeeGo devs17:21
mikhasmeh17:21
alteregoprofit is more interesting, sell devices at a loss and make money on premium cintent and apps.17:21
alteregocontent ..17:22
henuxLets say if any of those manufacturers can push something out in the first half of this year :P17:22
berndhswho cares about first half of this year17:22
henux:P17:23
berndhssomeone who starts with meego in april wont care about sales in june17:23
mikhasunless they started last year17:23
mikhas;-)17:23
alteregoIf someone could produce hardware as pretty and refined as Apple, sell at cost or maybe even below cost, and have a really good setup for apps and content. They'd be sorted.17:24
henuxThere's a lot of ifs there :P17:25
alteregoEspecially if the concentrated on the expanding gaming market.17:25
henuxEven if they do that, it wouldn't guarantee profit and therefore the future of MeeGo17:25
alteregoBusiness user requirements are quite standard and small, not much room for profit after sales.17:26
henuxSince Apple has already a huge market share and the brand is known17:26
vonderwhat if it supported android apps natively?17:26
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vonderthey all run on a special jvm right?17:26
henuxalterego: But what would make those users to choose MeeGo instead of iOS ?17:26
alteregovonder: very possible considering that project that was announced a month or so ago.17:26
alteregohenux: price and aesthetics :P17:27
vonderalterego: what was the name of that project?17:27
mikhashenux, a huge bad-ass marketing campaign17:27
henuxalterego: hehe :P17:27
alteregoand publicity in the right market segments targeted at the right consumers.17:27
mikhaswhich depicts all Apple and Android users as losers17:27
* w00t_ yawns17:27
mikhasand all MeeGo users as ultra cool and hip17:27
alteregomikhas: which is mostly true! :D17:27
w00t_(am I the only one that finds these sort of discussions really boring? :P)17:27
mikhasthat's the sad part about it ...17:28
vonderwell - the trolling has stayed civil thus far ... perhaps we should start insulting each other?17:28
lbtooh a troll ... and no-one told me :)17:29
vonderthat should sex it up a bit for you17:29
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vonder"Alien Dalvik"17:30
vonder‘enables the majority of Android applications to run unmodified, allowing application store owners to quickly kick start Android application store services by simply repackaging Android Package (APK) files’.17:30
vonderwill run on meego, maemo17:30
vonderanyone still use maemo?17:30
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vonderhttp://thehandheldblog.com/2011/02/08/alien-dalvik-android-apps-meego-maemo/17:33
vonderhas a nice video with side by side examples17:33
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thp{sf2011,wiki}.meego.com are down for me17:47
henuxmeego.com has been shutdown since they can't afford to upkeep it anymore17:49
henuxyou know, bad sales so far17:49
henux:P17:49
w00t_thp: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-April/482740.html17:50
w00t_(I guess it's related)17:51
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thpw00t_: good - it's a planned outage :)17:57
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CosmoHillwait, henux did you say that the free software had bad sales?18:29
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berndhsyeah windows desktop is a comlete failure, their free downloads are down to zero18:33
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V3rtig0Where can I find the latest meego-version?19:50
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dm8tbrV3rtig0: on meego.com20:03
MyrttiI kinda thought that was a trick question20:04
V3rtig0c_c20:05
V3rtig0I meant the latest meego-image20:05
V3rtig0:D20:05
V3rtig0but I found it20:05
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V3rtig0hm21:13
V3rtig0My computer doesn't seem to find the device when trying to load the kernel to the phone21:14
V3rtig0Any known tricks? I tried holding the U-key on the phone21:15
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ery5y4rIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  ery5y4r NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagoss Bostik MoRpHeUz21:33
ery5y4rIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  Myrtti eluttine sampos krau ubIx_ saidinesh5 wmarone__ mitsutaka Frye srag DocScrutinizer jedix jevin_ pcfe mikeleib TSCHAKeee Kaadlajk ivanich tchan thiago aloril matrixx githogori shadeslayer Fargh auke Christie MohammadAG idoru RichiH jop21:33
ery5y4rIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  poutsi kaitlin_ jjo NishanthMenon nghtwsh_ bboyvat pierce bilboed araujo theodor srikanth_rst bkalinga hoax__ mrmoku GeneralAntilles lcuk kahless pcacjr__ lool Corsac grinsekatze kimitake_idle vivijim infobot ifdef42 Openfree` RST38h Mek cmv21:33
ery5y4rIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  mmeeks inz rib_away` kulve sp3000 orospakr Ian--- chem|st chainsawbike jsharper vgrade vldcnst V3rtig0 xxiao barisione balrog-k2n ablasche_ the-gibson|home visz dazo_afk fiberspeed jbarron Kiranos RhymeswA tmikola patburke rescbr` sheepbat j21:33
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ery5y4rIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  TheXception|off hhurtta penghb RaymondL mockillo Guest5293 jysky Viltapi jbos mato- fscker Lyytim Tumi_ DeuX lfranchi ukas diegobz compengi tzorvas mythi pvuorela akiniemi Flanbix Beineri xxtjaxx zimmerle balgarath heffer mullein w00t_ MeeGo21:33
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psijackoffIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  psijackoff NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagoss Bostik Mo21:33
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shadeslayersigh21:34
phl0x81not again :/21:34
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swc|666not this shit again21:34
pcfeoh FFS21:34
RST38hJesus did not help him this time21:34
shadeslayersomeone has alot of time this weekend21:34
dm8tbrkids have a long weekend21:34
phl0x81as I said yesterday: if you can, make jesus a bad word...21:34
* MoRpHeUz sighs21:34
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swc|666heh AS25319 80.97.56.0/22 MOLDINFONET informational governmental network.21:35
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a-02mIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  a-02m mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagos21:35
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retw34IF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  retw34 mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thia21:35
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kraiskilyay spambot!21:35
kraiskiler.. spambot-killing-bot21:36
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uotuiouioIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  uotuiouio mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil jpetersen piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wien21:36
uotuiouioIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  otep_ dmb itbaron jnwi Myrtti eluttine sampos krau ubIx_ saidinesh5 wmarone__ mitsutaka Frye srag DocScrutinizer jedix jevin_ pcfe mikeleib TSCHAKeee Kaadlajk ivanich tchan thiago aloril matrixx githogori shadeslayer Fargh auke Christi21:36
uotuiouioIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  ab _des_ povbot jausmus poutsi kaitlin_ jjo NishanthMenon nghtwsh_ bboyvat pierce bilboed araujo theodor srikanth_rst bkalinga hoax__ mrmoku GeneralAntilles lcuk kahless pcacjr__ lool Corsac grinsekatze kimitake_idle vivijim infobot if21:36
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LiraNunaoh dear god21:36
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Atarii#spoilers the jesus is a lie21:36
swc|666lol21:37
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anwerbIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  anwerb mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 ksinny phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-21:38
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anwerbIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  anwerb fish1209 mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagoss Bost21:38
anwerbIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  itbaron jnwi Myrtti eluttine sampos krau ubIx_ saidinesh5 wmarone__ mitsutaka Frye srag DocScrutinizer jedix pcfe mikeleib TSCHAKeee Kaadlajk ivanich tchan thiago aloril matrixx githogori Fargh auke Christie MohammadAG idoru RichiH jophish21:38
anwerbIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  kaitlin_ jjo NishanthMenon nghtwsh_ bboyvat pierce bilboed araujo theodor srikanth_rst bkalinga hoax__ mrmoku GeneralAntilles lcuk kahless pcacjr__ lool Corsac grinsekatze kimitake_idle vivijim infobot ifdef42 Openfree` RST38h Mek cmvo elpr21:38
anwerbIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  rib_away` kulve sp3000 orospakr Ian--- chem|st chainsawbike jsharper vgrade vldcnst V3rtig0 xxiao barisione balrog-k2n ablasche_ the-gibson|home visz dazo_afk fiberspeed jbarron Kiranos RhymeswA tmikola patburke rescbr` sheepbat juvuolle-l21:38
anwerbIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  TheXception|off hhurtta penghb RaymondL mockillo Guest5293 jysky Viltapi jbos mato- fscker Lyytim Tumi_ DeuX lfranchi ukas diegobz compengi tzorvas mythi pvuorela akiniemi Flanbix Beineri xxtjaxx zimmerle balgarath heffer mullein w00t_ MeeG21:38
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tdyuty8gIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  tdyuty8g fish1209 mikecomputing LoRez NIN101 phl0x81 MostafaDaneshvar Jade stefanoP goutam__ LiraNuna Atarii toggles Diod tackat leinir_ swc|666 peisanen1 foolano juanman ali1234 wijiji kraiskil piotr pixelgeek vonder I-C-Wiener thiagos21:38
tdyuty8gIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  itbaron jnwi Myrtti eluttine sampos krau ubIx_ saidinesh5 wmarone__ mitsutaka Frye srag DocScrutinizer jedix pcfe mikeleib TSCHAKeee Kaadlajk ivanich tchan thiago aloril matrixx githogori Fargh auke Christie MohammadAG idoru RichiH joph21:38
tdyuty8gIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  kaitlin_ jjo NishanthMenon nghtwsh_ bboyvat pierce bilboed araujo theodor srikanth_rst bkalinga hoax__ mrmoku GeneralAntilles lcuk kahless pcacjr__ lool Corsac grinsekatze kimitake_idle vivijim infobot ifdef42 Openfree` RST38h Mek cmvo21:38
tdyuty8gIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  rib_away` kulve sp3000 orospakr Ian--- chem|st chainsawbike jsharper vgrade vldcnst V3rtig0 xxiao barisione balrog-k2n ablasche_ the-gibson|home visz dazo_afk fiberspeed jbarron Kiranos RhymeswA tmikola patburke rescbr` sheepbat juvuoll21:38
tdyuty8gIF YOU DIED TODAY, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD END UP ? HAVE YOU FOUND  JESUS  CHRIST  AS YOUR PERSONAL  LORD AND SAVIOR ?REPENT NOW OR  BURN IN HELL FOREVER.GO TO  CHURCH THIS  EASTER SUNDAY  AND BEG  GOD FOR FORGIVENESS.  TheXception|off hhurtta penghb RaymondL mockillo Guest5293 jysky Viltapi jbos mato- fscker Lyytim Tumi_ DeuX lfranchi ukas diegobz compengi tzorvas mythi pvuorela akiniemi Flanbix Beineri xxtjaxx zimmerle balgarath heffer mullein w00t_21:38
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dm8tbrit's funny how broken the script is. it starts the mass hilight with its own nick21:38
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RST38hPersistent bastard forcing his imaginary friend21:38
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w00t_er21:39
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phl0x81+r helped yesterday :)21:39
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w00t_better21:39
ChristieWTDuck! >_<21:39
Atariiwonder why out of all the chans #meego is seen as the most needing to "repent"21:39
RST38hNoparticular reason,it is probably spamming more than #meego21:39
tackatProbably Jesus loves #meego, too21:39
tackat;)21:39
phl0x81yeah, #qt or other channels are not spammed.21:39
dm8tbrw00t_: on #hamradio we allow people in but have a mute on not registered nicks, works well too ;)21:39
Myrttione of the bigger channels that isn't +s21:40
I-C-Wienerperhaps we have the most atteists and therefore most potential to convert someone21:40
RST38hThere is a plenty of channels here, you can't know he is not spamming anyone else21:40
Atariii'm in a lot of them and this is the only one21:40
phl0x81I consider myself as a C++ Taliban ;)21:40
RST38hICWiener: YOu meant agnostics, not atheists21:40
dm8tbrhe gets auto-killed, that means he also spams channels with watch-bots21:40
w00t_dm8tbr: i'd really rather not (in the longr term I mean), i'm hoping they'll get bored given they keep getting banned :)21:40
RST38hOh, wait, I know why it is doing that21:40
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dm8tbrw00t_: sure, just mentioning it. #hamradio had problems with the GNAA coming back for a long time :(21:41
I-C-WienerMy guess is, he'll keep doing it for some days and then ask for money to stop21:41
I-C-Wienernobody is going to buy the religious message anyway21:41
w00t_you never know21:42
w00t_i'm considering converting(!)21:42
dm8tbrbbl (praying) ;p21:42
I-C-Wienerlol21:42
w00t_(ok, irc doesn't convey sarcasm well)21:42
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RST38hTomorrow is Easter. So, all the Jesus-bitten are having a fit tonight21:42
dm8tbrnah, that had its culmination yesterday21:43
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w00t_mmmm, delicious easter21:43
* dm8tbr throws w00t_ a chocolate easter-egg21:44
phl0x81may god strike their machines with lightnings ;)21:44
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berndhslets leave the religious stuff to the Saint Steve worshippers where it belongs21:45
w00t_dm8tbr: thanks, though i had mine yesterday :)21:47
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dm8tbrduring fast, psssh :p21:47
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berndhswe should observe bacon as well, and barley malt products21:49
CosmoHilloh fun, they came back21:49
Venemogood evening meegoists :)21:50
berndhsits early afternoon21:50
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lcukberndhs, bacon is for consumption, not observation.21:52
dm8tbrberndhs: the FSM loves you and bacon shall be your sign, you shall consume it whenever you feel like so21:52
RST38hFSM is most likely Satan.21:53
Venemolcuk, any success with your packaging cause?21:53
lcukVenemo, idk, I sent a mail during easter weekend, I don't expect it to even be read until tuesday21:54
lcukand it is not a cause, it is common sense based on stuff21:54
lcukit should be practical and simple to create and distribute meego qt app21:55
Venemolcuk, yeah, I agree :)21:57
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Venemo:)22:15
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