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| lcuk | o_O | 00:02 |
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| lcuk | running handset on ideapad | 00:02 |
| lcuk | using the trackpad moves the cursor | 00:02 |
| lcuk | but cannot click anything | 00:02 |
| lcuk | :o | 00:02 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, is it disabled in bios | 00:02 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, your clicker? | 00:03 |
| lcuk | AndyBleaden, but switching back to netbook.. | 00:03 |
| lcuk | i can click things | 00:03 |
| lcuk | not vital since I have been using handset on screen to test | 00:04 |
| abstract3d | Bostik: well now i can understand why you love vim :P | 00:04 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, | 00:04 |
| lcuk | but amusing | 00:04 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/IdeaPad-S-series-Netbooks/how-to-disable-touchpad-on-lenovo-s10-3-under-ubuntu-10-10/td-p/317439 | 00:04 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk any use? | 00:04 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, sorry wrong link http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Linux-Discussion/how-to-discard-the-touchpad-in-Linux/m-p/317407#U317407 | 00:05 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, i know we are not on ubuntu but some things cross over | 00:05 |
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| lcuk | AndyBleaden, sure, thats similar to the getting right mouse button tweak | 00:07 |
| lcuk | but am curious as to why using same meego core on same system the left tap action is not being responded to, will file a proper bug about it | 00:08 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, remember fartin around with this in ubuntu when Icould not get used to the trackpad and tried a mouse | 00:08 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, bout as useful as trying to smoke a pipe in the end :) | 00:09 |
| dm8tbr | odin_: yes, but IIRC the RFC mandates that IPv6 > IPv4 and this _can_ be changed in /etc/gai.conf usually. So we should make sure that we ship sane and compliant defaults. | 00:09 |
| lcuk | hmm AndyBleaden ? whats about as useful? | 00:09 |
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| dm8tbr | anyway, I just came back from Tieto pikkujoulu - time to head to sleep. :) | 00:10 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, turning off the trackpad.remember I did it too with my work lenovo t61 and then forgot and nearly filed an IT support job for a er broken um trackpad | 00:10 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, felt a bit silly.vowed not to turn things off again...til I accidently turned off the ideapad wifi that is... | 00:11 |
| lcuk | eep | 00:12 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, need a sudo / su block on manual switches for me :) | 00:12 |
| lcuk | AndyBleaden, generally I prefer to look before I leap with system config stuff | 00:12 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, hmm ...might try that one time. ;) | 00:13 |
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| AndyBleaden | lcuk, nearly learnt my lesson | 00:13 |
| lcuk | :) yes, saves much time afterwards | 00:13 |
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| AndyBleaden | lcuk, mind you would have stuck with Internet Explorer | 00:14 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, and Microsoft Office | 00:14 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, and Norton Antivirus | 00:15 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, and Outlook | 00:15 |
| ptl | stooop | 00:15 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, and Windows too..enough! the worst though was the wifi switch incident.felt a right plonker | 00:16 |
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| odin_ | dm8tbr, what does "IPv6 > IPv4" mean to you ? please use a technical term | 00:21 |
| thiago_home | IPv6 addresses are preferred over IPv4 | 00:23 |
| thiago_home | and it's also bigger :-) | 00:23 |
| odin_ | dm8tbr, prioritization of applications select using one version 4 or 6 over the other ? sure but its more complex than this, when you take into account the concept of multiple defined "locations" and each location might want a different scheme | 00:23 |
| odin_ | dm8tbr, i.e. some locations might advertise IPv6 on WLAN but it is actually broken, so I might want to instruct the MeeGo location setup to use "4 in priority to 6" | 00:24 |
| AndyBleaden | odin_, is that where connman-testing comes in? | 00:26 |
| odin_ | yeah maybe... I'm just trying to explain my view point (i.e. all the IPv6 location to come online over the next 3 years might not work as well as each other) and the device user just wants stuff to work | 00:27 |
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| berndhs | odin_: connman applet doesn't know if you are connected in ipv6 or not | 00:30 |
| berndhs | i filed a bug for that | 00:30 |
| AndyBleaden | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 for people like me who don't understand ipv4 or 6 | 00:31 |
| odin_ | berndhs, please attach it as a Depends On for buug#10984 (i.e. edit 10984) | 00:32 |
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| thiago_home | ipv6 will be mandatory in 2011 | 00:32 |
| thiago_home | many network operators are demanding it | 00:32 |
| odin_ | damn just 3 weeks left :P | 00:32 |
| AndyBleaden | berndhs, odin_ thiago using connman test-services I get IPv4 = { Netmask=255.255.255.0 Gateway=192.168.1.254 Method=dhcp Address=192.168.1.75 } | 00:33 |
| AndyBleaden | IPv6 = { Method=off } | 00:33 |
| thiago_home | 2011 will be a big year... | 00:33 |
| AndyBleaden | thiago, what ..bigger than a leap year? | 00:34 |
| odin_ | I don't know much about the "mobile IPv6" parts of specifications at this time, but I guess it only affected Mobile Network Operator based connectivity (which is an important _PART_ of MeeGo) | 00:34 |
| thiago_home | no, just the regular size :-) | 00:34 |
| lcuk | hey thiago_home \o | 00:35 |
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| thiago_home | still big though | 00:35 |
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| lcuk | we could theoretically adjust the earth orbit | 00:35 |
| AndyBleaden | thiago, oh gawd thought the banking crisis meant we now had to have more days too | 00:35 |
| lcuk | and make it a REALLLLLLY big year | 00:35 |
| thiago_home | we can add seconds to the year... | 00:36 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, thiago hey or maybe I could go into the bios and reset the time and date stuff | 00:36 |
| AndyBleaden | like I did way back in 2011 | 00:36 |
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| berndhs | maybe if we through a bunch of heavy things into the sun, the earth will move outward | 00:36 |
| thiago_home | 2008 was 366 days and 1 second long, for example | 00:36 |
| lcuk | AndyBleaden, i am sensing your faffing gets you into more hassle than it cures | 00:37 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, sure, leap seconds are added at various years | 00:37 |
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| AndyBleaden | berndhs, maybe if we move public debt there | 00:37 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, faff is a strong word. Break is better | 00:37 |
| thiago_home | 1972 was 366 days and 2 seconds long | 00:37 |
| berndhs | how about private debt :) | 00:37 |
| AndyBleaden | berndhs, I am clean | 00:38 |
| AndyBleaden | berndhs, maybe tax avoidance is larger | 00:38 |
| berndhs | its easy to lower tax avoidance, just lower taxes | 00:39 |
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| AndyBleaden | berndhs, Nooo! | 00:39 |
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| AndyBleaden | lcuk, I must have bored you stupid with the 3g story too? | 00:42 |
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| AndyBleaden | lcuk, it makes the wifi switch look innocent | 00:44 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, you have a card insert at the back of your battery casing? | 00:45 |
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| lcuk | AndyBleaden, no | 00:46 |
| lcuk | since theres no modem I dropped that line of enquiry | 00:46 |
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| lcuk | but having no adhoc networking is a pita for actually Connecting this ideapad to my n900 | 00:47 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, I saw a hole | 00:48 |
| lcuk | just because theres a hole does not mean you HAVE to push something into it. | 00:48 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, when I took off the battery and realised you could put a sim card in there | 00:48 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, what.lifes not like that! | 00:49 |
| lcuk | i saw it too and asked about it | 00:49 |
| lcuk | theres no modem tho | 00:49 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, ah | 00:49 |
| lcuk | so a bit pointless | 00:49 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, worse | 00:49 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, sim card..says in book..hole is for sim card..I thought | 00:49 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, it was a hole | 00:50 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, I was on a train | 00:50 |
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| AndyBleaden | lcuk, I had a hole | 00:50 |
| AndyBleaden | lcuk, i had a phone | 00:50 |
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| AndyBleaden | lcuk, hole-phone-sim card-hole-stuck-no sim-no phone | 00:51 |
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| MohammadAG | Hmm, is there a reason I get Wrong Image format for the uImage included in the dec 07 raw image? | 01:29 |
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| ali1234 | still? | 01:36 |
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| ali1234 | isn't it related to the mkimage tool used? | 01:36 |
| MohammadAG | i think it's related to kernel-power's uboot being retarded | 01:37 |
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| ali1234 | possibly, i heard it's broken | 01:38 |
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| ali1234 | however i don't really see how oyu could break it | 01:38 |
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| ali1234 | i never really thoroughly checked the memory layout used by u-boot and which areas a re actually safe to load stuff | 01:39 |
| ali1234 | i just picked a high number | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | Umm, rotation isn't done by rotating the whole X server? | 01:40 |
| MohammadAG | it looks like only the UI is rotated | 01:40 |
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| lbt | fal: I didn't see your /msg... | 01:51 |
| lbt | fal: what are you planning on doing on the OBS (community one - right?) | 01:51 |
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| fal | Firstly I want to sync my locale source package with the server. | 01:52 |
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| fal | lbt: our team have a devkit8000 board,we plan to port meego upon it. | 01:54 |
| lbt | OK - so we need to ensure that largescale porting efforts are coordinated | 01:54 |
| lbt | we don't have enough resources at the moment to support large rebuilds | 01:55 |
| lbt | also.... will everything be opensource? | 01:55 |
| fal | yes,it will be opensource | 01:56 |
| lbt | ok - and your meego.com username ? | 01:56 |
| fal | fal | 01:56 |
| lbt | done.... please work with Stskeeps to plan any porting efforts and discuss with me before doing any large scale builds :) | 01:57 |
| lbt | enjoy | 01:57 |
| fal | thank your help | 01:57 |
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| berndhs | is there a way I can sign my home: repo ? zypper complains, and packagekit barfs | 02:04 |
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| lcuk | <MohammadAG> is it normal for the device to get hot when using meego? | 02:11 |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, bug 7790, being worked on at the moment, requires kernel hackery and upstreaming but theres people with it so I hear | 02:11 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot | 02:11 |
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| MohammadAG | sorry, forgot I was on #maemo :) | 02:11 |
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| lcuk | hmm MohammadAG | 02:52 |
| lcuk | do you have handset image running atm? | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | yes | 02:52 |
| lcuk | good, can you try something | 02:52 |
| MohammadAG | sure | 02:52 |
| lcuk | from main screen, tap the throbber to display menu | 02:52 |
| lcuk | slide across to screen two or three | 02:52 |
| lcuk | and press the throbber thing again to make it close | 02:53 |
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| lcuk | then, reopen it by pressing, the little indicator showing which page its on | 02:53 |
| MohammadAG | FYI, device feels hotter than my laptop when it's compiling a kernel | 02:53 |
| lcuk | does it show correctly | 02:53 |
| lcuk | you saw the last comment on that bug | 02:53 |
| lcuk | and hence, already know my feelings on this situation | 02:53 |
| lcuk | but thats another thing I cannot do anything about right now | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | not cool, literally :P | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | anyways | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | it closes properly, and goes to page 1 when I reopen it | 02:54 |
| lcuk | on mine, if i open the menu | 02:54 |
| lcuk | slide to page 5 or 6 | 02:54 |
| lcuk | then close it | 02:54 |
| lcuk | when I reopen | 02:54 |
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| lcuk | the contents are page 1 | 02:54 |
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| MohammadAG | yep | 02:54 |
| MohammadAG | resets to first page | 02:54 |
| lcuk | but the nobble is showing still old one | 02:54 |
| beford | morning | 02:55 |
| lcuk | morning beford \o | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | the top blue thing? nope, resets correctly | 02:55 |
| beford | how is it going lcuk | 02:55 |
| lcuk | the little circular page indicator | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | yep, shows on the first block here | 02:55 |
| MohammadAG | mind you, only 1 icon on page 2, I just installed the latest image | 02:55 |
| lcuk | ahh | 02:56 |
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| lcuk | because this has netbook and handset on the same image | 02:56 |
| lcuk | its got loads of things | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | heh | 02:56 |
| lcuk | tho running a lot of them crashes it | 02:56 |
| * lcuk is getting to grips with it and feeling out the nooks and crannies | 02:56 | |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't mad -t meego(whatever) apt-get install libqt4-webkit get QWebkit's libs installed? | 02:56 |
| lcuk | shockingly, my xchat install is MIA | 02:56 |
| MohammadAG | xchat w/o gtk? | 02:57 |
| lcuk | i havent removed gtk | 02:57 |
| lcuk | i can switch happily back to netbook | 02:57 |
| lcuk | and it runs | 02:57 |
| * MohammadAG is confused, you're talking about meego right? | 02:57 | |
| lcuk | without reinstalling | 02:57 |
| lcuk | yeah | 02:57 |
| lcuk | bug 10874 | 02:57 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10874 nor, Undecided, ---, elliot.smith, VERI FIXED, Multi UX Meego instructions writeup | 02:58 |
| MohammadAG | is it me, or is scrolling way too sensitive? | 02:58 |
| lcuk | happily (quickly) completed, verified :) | 02:58 |
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| beford | hey that's coool | 02:59 |
| lcuk | yeah, it is | 02:59 |
| beford | I can try the handset ux on my tablet now too | 02:59 |
| lcuk | especially for those with touchable netbooks | 02:59 |
| * beford tries :d | 02:59 | |
| lcuk | its not perfect by a long shot | 02:59 |
| MohammadAG | so again, is the sysroot using apt-get? | 03:00 |
| lcuk | but its shown a great amount of interest and is first real attempt to pull together the UXes into a cohesive set :) | 03:00 |
| MohammadAG | and if so, why is qwebkit.h missing even when libqt4-dev is installed | 03:00 |
| MohammadAG | I'm trying to get PSFreedom's UI compiled | 03:00 |
| lcuk | not sure | 03:00 |
| lcuk | beford, step carefully and report any gotchas/anomolies you come across | 03:01 |
| lcuk | errr from ssh | 03:02 |
| lcuk | is it "export DISPLAY=:.0 | 03:02 |
| lcuk | to make it use main one? | 03:02 |
| beford | yea | 03:02 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't you drop the .? | 03:03 |
| lcuk | perhaps | 03:03 |
| * MohammadAG sighs | 03:04 | |
| MohammadAG | error: mediaplayer-0.0.1-1.armv7l.rpm: headerRead failed: Header sanity check: OK | 03:04 |
| MohammadAG | error: mediaplayer-0.0.1-1.armv7l.rpm cannot be installed | 03:04 |
| beford | corruptus | 03:04 |
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| MohammadAG | beford, 3 times? Over USB? | 03:05 |
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| beford | corruptus in extremus | 03:05 |
| beford | hehe no idea | 03:05 |
| lcuk_idea | heh | 03:06 |
| lcuk_idea | so it does run | 03:06 |
| lcuk_idea | just no icon | 03:06 |
| beford | that's what the error message sounds like | 03:06 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm, shouldn't running an app from the built in xterm use meego's theming and not the basic one? | 03:09 |
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| * pixelgeek planning on loading meego on an N900 this weekend. | 03:10 | |
| pixelgeek | Any known gotchas with the 20101207 build? | 03:11 |
| lcuk | pixelgeek, power management | 03:11 |
| pixelgeek | Yes, I gather it'll get warm :) | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | warm is an understatement ;) | 03:12 |
| pixelgeek | But it should install and let me play before the battery completely drains, right? | 03:12 |
| lcuk | hmm how do i minimise an app which is fullscreen but does not have a top right nobble | 03:12 |
| lcuk | left | 03:12 |
| lcuk | yes pixelgeek | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | pixelgeek, just installed the latest build | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's running fine | 03:12 |
| pixelgeek | Good to know - thanks MohammadAG | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | I'm impressed where 1.1.80 got from 1.0.99 | 03:13 |
| pixelgeek | Yes, I saw someone's screen shots and thought - Mine doesn't look like that! | 03:13 |
| MohammadAG | rotation is super quick, wasn't that fast on 1.0.99 | 03:14 |
| pixelgeek | OK - later. 'night all! | 03:14 |
| MohammadAG | night | 03:14 |
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| MohammadAG | is DTMF by any chance broken? | 03:16 |
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| lolloo | MohammadAG, Welcome friend. | 03:17 |
| lolloo | mmm | 03:17 |
| lolloo | DTMF is still not properly implemeted. am I correct? | 03:18 |
| MohammadAG | where do I get an Aava? I kinda got interested in MeeGo | 03:20 |
| npm | MohammadAG: does the 12/07 build get warmer than the 1.1 handset release? | 03:20 |
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| MohammadAG | npm, never tried 1.1, but it's quite hot right now | 03:20 |
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| pixelgeek | MohammadAG: THere aren't any builds being done for the Aava post 1.1 as far as I can see. | 03:20 |
| lcuk | npm, noticable more because people are actually sitting longer and running over more things | 03:20 |
| npm | mine got warm, but not "*hot*" as mentioned in https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790 | 03:21 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot | 03:21 |
| MohammadAG | different climates? | 03:21 |
| beford | MohammadAG, where are you getting last image from? | 03:21 |
| npm | southern california is not like finland :-) | 03:21 |
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| MohammadAG | repo.meego.com | 03:22 |
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| pixelgeek | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ | 03:22 |
| pixelgeek | looks like the latest | 03:23 |
| npm | i was thinking of trying a newer build, but this one works and is working w/ qt creator apps i'm sending over to it. (which is very cool!) | 03:23 |
| npm | maybe i'll hold out for the build that contains qt 4.7.1 -- mohammad -- what's your qt version? | 03:23 |
| MohammadAG | meh, can't get it to work, keeps sending corrupt RPMs | 03:23 |
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| MohammadAG | [root@localhost inputmethods]# strings libqimsw-multi.so | grep 4.7 | 03:24 |
| MohammadAG | version=4.7.0 | 03:24 |
| haro | Trying to build a local package using OSC tool , Getting "Verifying integrity of cached packages BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys" Error .. Any pointers to this problem please ??? | 03:25 |
| MohammadAG | generate a gpg key? | 03:26 |
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| lolloo | the latest Meego build for N900 doesn't workwith u-boot. anyone same issue? | 03:29 |
| lolloo | I flash kernel everytime I want to use MeeGo with -L command. | 03:30 |
| npm | lolloo: it may work, but may require flasher (seems like the "release" had a /boot but the snapshots/etc don't) | 03:30 |
| npm | oh if you flash every time then its diff issue | 03:30 |
| MohammadAG | that's not flashing | 03:30 |
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| npm | ? | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | you're just sending the kernel to NOLO, that's why you can load +2MB images with it | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k vmlinuz-foo -b -l | 03:31 |
| MohammadAG | that's not flashing | 03:31 |
| lolloo | yes with -l | 03:31 |
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| lolloo | its temprory flash | 03:31 |
| npm | semantics? | 03:31 |
| lolloo | but when I reboot my N900 it returns to default kernel. | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | it's not a flash | 03:32 |
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| lolloo | but if you use -F it will flash for good! right. | 03:32 |
| MohammadAG | the kernel partition is only 2MBs big, you can load big 5MB linux kernels with -b -l | 03:32 |
| lolloo | nice info. | 03:33 |
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| lolloo | why doesn't multiboot work with vmlinuz kernel images? | 03:33 |
| lolloo | I mean specifically meego kernel. | 03:33 |
| npm | rebooting to default is described here: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC#Load_or_flash_kernel_on_N900 "NOTE: The command above will only load the kernel to the device, so next time you boot the device the original kernel should be used and your Maemo 5 OS should boot normally." | 03:33 |
| lolloo | correct. | 03:34 |
| lolloo | using -l | 03:34 |
| lolloo | but using -f is another situation | 03:34 |
| npm | yes, but "OTE: It's highly recommended NOT to flash the kernel on your device unless you really know what you're doing (so please use -l instead of -f). Don't blame us if you brick your device, you have been warned!" | 03:35 |
| npm | s/OTE/NOTE | 03:35 |
| lolloo | no problem. good point. | 03:35 |
| MohammadAG | u-boot > multiboot | 03:35 |
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| lolloo | mine is getting hot already, as if it is overclocked | 03:36 |
| lolloo | yes I wish they fix u-boot issue with latest meego image. | 03:36 |
| lolloo | doesn't work for me. | 03:36 |
| npm | if one "bricks", what actually happens -- is there a "master reset" that lets you load it up from scratch? | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | what uboot issue? | 03:36 |
| npm | lolloo: are you using " | 03:36 |
| npm | -f" | 03:36 |
| MohammadAG | the term bricked is actually being used incorrectly there | 03:37 |
| lolloo | no just -l | 03:37 |
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| MohammadAG | you can't brick the device unless you wipe the two bootloaders | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | if you do "brick" it, just reflash the kernel | 03:37 |
| lolloo | I mean Meego iamge 1.1 works fine with U-boot | 03:38 |
| lolloo | but the latest image when using u-boot it wont recognise the image on MMC | 03:38 |
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| lolloo | but not an issue for me, it would be faster if it was fixed.. | 03:39 |
| npm | MohammadAG: interesting info re "bricking" .. i was scared away by the warning | 03:40 |
| fal | Hi,I have login build.pub.meego.com. but there is no package under the public projects. | 03:40 |
| fal | Can anyone tell me some tips? | 03:40 |
| npm | i'm wondering if the *hot* issue comes from running in external memory : http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002739.html | 03:40 |
| lolloo | aha maybe that's right, as mine is runing from MMC | 03:41 |
| lolloo | and it's really hot maybe 50c | 03:41 |
| npm | i'm using a class 10 mmc | 03:41 |
| haro | fal, search in my project , project name : home:haroun package: MESA | 03:41 |
| npm | and its not that hot | 03:41 |
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| lolloo | wow nice rpm | 03:41 |
| npm | i wonder if your mem card is slower and makes it warmer? ... certainly not 50c | 03:41 |
| lolloo | npm, what company is it from? | 03:42 |
| lolloo | yeah mine is class 4 | 03:42 |
| npm | some no-name from amazone | 03:42 |
| lolloo | slow as a turtle | 03:42 |
| npm | 8gb cost about $30 | 03:42 |
| lolloo | awesome | 03:42 |
| lolloo | me thinks of getting one, meego is slow as hell with class 4 | 03:42 |
| npm | just search for the fastest card possible. i actually finally saw a warning about it: http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 "Micro SDHC card, with a preferred capacity of at least 2 GB and class 6 or higher" | 03:43 |
| lolloo | awesome, but how do you boot to Meego from maemo npm? | 03:44 |
| npm | and there's too many versions of the same infos which is confusing: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Setting_up_N900_device http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.1/meego-v1.1-handset http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 | 03:45 |
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| npm | since i'm using the release "demo" kernel ... i just let uboot timeout... beware "dark boot" -- where it's booting but the backlight is off and you cant tell | 03:46 |
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| lolloo | hehe | 03:47 |
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| npm | (hold it up to bright light and you'll see scroll on the lcd) | 03:47 |
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| npm | well i guess that explains the "my n900 meego is hot" syndrome -- slow mem card | 03:47 |
| lolloo | awesome find! | 03:48 |
| lolloo | I will test soon with class 10 like your one. | 03:48 |
| lolloo | class 10 = 10mb | 03:48 |
| npm | and imho, it'll be great when it can boot from internal memory while still allowing maemo ( kinda like running nitdroid on n900 internal mem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=887394#post887394 ) | 03:49 |
| lcuk | lolloo, turtles are actually quite fast and agile in their natural environment | 03:49 |
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| lolloo | hehehe | 03:49 |
| lcuk | now, had you said tortoise, I might have agreed. | 03:49 |
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| lolloo | I was referring to the turtle in a race with rabits. | 03:50 |
| npm | http://www.amazon.com/Kingmax-MicroSDHC-Class-Performance-Memory/dp/B003TT23QI is what i used. | 03:50 |
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| npm | there are faster ones if you spend more, perhaps it'll be worth it | 03:51 |
| lolloo | awesome saved me time! thanks npm. | 03:51 |
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| npm | np | 03:52 |
| lcuk | npm, how long have you been running your system cool? | 03:52 |
| lolloo | what is the speed of internel memory of N900? | 03:52 |
| npm | i wouldn't say "cool", just not "hot" perhaps comfortably warm? | 03:52 |
| lcuk | npm, well the bug does say warm | 03:53 |
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| lcuk | and comfort depends on relative terms | 03:53 |
| lolloo | can one do and app for meego to watch the temprature of the device? | 03:53 |
| npm | maemo runs cool, but watching a mpg movie gets it about as warm as meego | 03:53 |
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| lolloo | or recharging maemo. | 03:54 |
| npm | lcuk: since after thanksgiving when my memory card arrived | 03:54 |
| lcuk | thats a different reason again lolloo | 03:55 |
| lcuk | certainly interesting npm | 03:55 |
| lcuk | but idling meego should not be running like full speed maemo | 03:55 |
| lcuk | and that is what the bug is relating to | 03:55 |
| lcuk | npm, would you care to offer your observations onto the bug report | 03:56 |
| npm | oh the bug is valid for sure | 03:56 |
| lcuk | so that those testing it officially could also look | 03:56 |
| npm | i'll paste this convo if that's ok? | 03:56 |
| lcuk | and obviously if there is something in what you say then its a positive thing ontop | 03:56 |
| lcuk | sure thing | 03:56 |
| lcuk | just not everything :P | 03:56 |
| lcuk | clean it up and keep it to essential bits | 03:56 |
| npm | you mean i have to get rid of the government rfid implantation spam? :-) | 03:57 |
| lcuk | lol | 03:57 |
| lcuk | yes | 03:57 |
| npm | oh all right! | 03:57 |
| lcuk | but if you put just the essentials | 03:57 |
| lcuk | and link back using: http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-12-11T03:41:59 | 03:57 |
| npm | but must do dinner first | 03:58 |
| lcuk | for if someone wants more it would be better, bug reports shouldnt have complete logs | 03:58 |
| lcuk | no problem :) | 03:58 |
| lolloo | lol @ npm | 03:58 |
| lolloo | mmm dinner | 03:58 |
| beford | regarding the changing desktop instructions, sudo cat something > /etc/zypp/repos.d/repo.repo gives permission denied, you have to use tee I believe | 03:59 |
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| lcuk | beford, hm it worked for me | 04:01 |
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| MohammadAG | sudo cat and sudo echo don't usually work | 04:01 |
| MohammadAG | instead, you should use sudo su | 04:01 |
| beford | lcuk, maybe you had a root shell and used sudo | 04:01 |
| lcuk | potentially yeah | 04:02 |
| lcuk | without the sudo | 04:02 |
| Termana | morning | 04:02 |
| lcuk | that might explain it | 04:02 |
| lcuk | morning Termana \o | 04:02 |
| MohammadAG | I think you might be able to do a sudo "cat something > somewhere" | 04:02 |
| MohammadAG | but I'm not entirely sure | 04:02 |
| lcuk | i most likely just changed to root | 04:02 |
| lcuk | as you say beford | 04:03 |
| lcuk | perhaps make a note? | 04:03 |
| beford | just changed a bit the instructions | 04:05 |
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| lcuk | beford, \o reasonable | 04:06 |
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| lcuk | ta | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | 4AM, need to head to bed I suppose, I'll be around here more, kinda got into meego :D | 04:07 |
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| MohammadAG | Night :) | 04:07 |
| beford | good night | 04:07 |
| lolloo | good night | 04:08 |
| lolloo | see you here | 04:08 |
| lcuk | night MohammadAG \o | 04:08 |
| lcuk | omg @ this: | 04:08 |
| lcuk | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1931060 | 04:08 |
| lolloo | wot! | 04:08 |
| lcuk | "Young Woman Balances Books On Head While Solving Rubik's Cube and Counting Pi to 100 Places" | 04:09 |
| * lcuk applaudes such randomness | 04:10 | |
| Termana | lcuk: something tells me she's in Comp. Sci. | 04:11 |
| lcuk | something tells me she will e in the circus soon. | 04:12 |
| Termana | lol | 04:12 |
| lcuk | morning araujo \o | 04:13 |
| lolloo | can't run the video on N900 | 04:13 |
| araujo | lcuk, o/ hi there! | 04:13 |
| araujo | lcuk, veyr late over there, or early eh? | 04:13 |
| lolloo | it says no connection to server. | 04:14 |
| lcuk | it is araujo | 04:14 |
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| araujo | lcuk, yeah, but we meego'ers have no time for sleeping until 1.2 is finally released, true .... | 04:15 |
| lcuk | well its friday night and people are tinkering more at weekends! | 04:15 |
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| lcuk | araujo, my vkb is coming up the right way round now | 04:16 |
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| lcuk | I think it had something to do with size of screen | 04:16 |
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| lolloo | on MeeGo you mean? | 04:17 |
| lcuk | yes | 04:17 |
| npm | lcuk: https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790#c5 | 04:17 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot | 04:17 |
| npm | ok now dinner | 04:17 |
| lolloo | It's working cool with me too! I noticed that! | 04:17 |
| lolloo | mmm dinner hhuuuugh! | 04:17 |
| lcuk | npm, great! but you missed one piece | 04:18 |
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| lcuk | ahh you are going doing it now! bon appetite | 04:18 |
| beford | resolution thing did not seem to work | 04:18 |
| * beford tries again | 04:18 | |
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| * lcuk beds | 04:21 | |
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| lcuk | gnite all | 04:22 |
| lolloo | night! | 04:22 |
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| araujo | lcuk, good to know :) | 04:43 |
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| zecke | why does mic-image-creator try to turn off SELinux and does not attempt to warn anyone? | 05:07 |
| zecke | this is really scary... | 05:07 |
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| beford | last time it used to warn | 05:23 |
| berndhs | what does /bin/arch say on a N900 ? | 05:29 |
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| odin_ | -sh: /bin/arch: not found; uname -a; Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown | 05:31 |
| odin_ | ^^ Maemo5 PR1.3 | 05:31 |
| berndhs | so I have to grep tyhrough uname -a to see if I'm running on arm | 05:31 |
| odin_ | uname -m; uname -m | 05:32 |
| odin_ | uname -m; armv7l | 05:32 |
| berndhs | yes shorter | 05:32 |
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| zecke | beford: it stopped. and worse it disables it across reboots. | 05:42 |
| beford | I'd file a bug | 05:43 |
| beford | A warning and an option to automatically disable it (informing the user) should be enough, but auto disabling is a no for me | 05:43 |
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| zecke | beford: I have some issues with account creation, but that might be the network of the hotel (meego.com sometimes resolves to 0.0.0.1...) | 05:44 |
| beford | weird, I will check mic code to see if its disabling it, and will file it for you | 05:47 |
| zecke | beford: it calls setenforce in multiple places | 05:48 |
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| beford | zecke, yea I am seeing, it's calling them without asking anything, going to file it | 06:04 |
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| berndhs | yay all my packages built on arm | 06:16 |
| berndhs | whether they do anything useful... | 06:16 |
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| beford | zecke, https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=11182 | 06:43 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 11182 nor, Undecided, ---, yi.y.yang, NEW, MIC should not disable SELinux without asking user consent | 06:43 |
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| zecke | beford: thanks | 07:13 |
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| Jay_BEE | hola | 07:21 |
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| sgk | hi. i should be able to take osmething like this http://www.merimobiles.com/Wpad_Win7_10_1_Capacitive_Multitouch_Skype_Video_p/meri0530.htm and install meego straight onto it yeah? what about hardware support. i see it has the right graphics/cpu but what about the rest? | 07:23 |
| sgk | is there a similar tablet anyone can recommend i purchase? | 07:24 |
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| sgk | as for me testing. wiill this guide work with 1.1? | 07:25 |
| sgk | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox | 07:25 |
| sgk | i have had problems booting moblin for example. in virtualbox | 07:26 |
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| sgk | whats better for a tablet anyway. meego netbook on meego handset | 07:28 |
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| Jay_BEE | http://wiki.meego.com/Devices | 07:34 |
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| lolloo | I would like to help you sgk, but I dont know anything about what you said. | 08:04 |
| lolloo | maybe other guys wil help you. | 08:04 |
| lolloo | Meego'ers are awesome guys. | 08:05 |
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| lolloo | I still cant use U-boot with latest MeeGo image | 10:12 |
| lolloo | this image am using now | 10:12 |
| lolloo | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/ | 10:12 |
| lolloo | is flashing my phone alot causes problems? | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ should work with it | 10:13 |
| lolloo | so it should? or I should try and report back? | 10:15 |
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| lolloo | ok seems the same one but I will download | 10:15 |
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| Jay_BEE | has uboot made it out of tools testing trunk and into the handset images? | 10:22 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 10:25 |
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| Gh0sty | lolloo: there is a status page for the n900 support for that latest image? | 10:31 |
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| * npm updates https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7790#c6 with latest observation | 10:41 | |
| MeeGoBot | Bug 7790 nor, Medium, 1.0.90.4, ilkka.koskinen, ASSI, N900 turns warm quickly after boot | 10:41 |
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| Jay_BEE | [00:24]<Stskeeps>yes <--- O RLY?! | 10:42 |
| lardman | morning | 10:43 |
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| iekku | uh reading about meego bugs on the saturday when having a first cup of coffee | 10:46 |
| iekku | maybe i don't follow this channel during the weekend | 10:46 |
| * Jay_BEE downloads a handset image to try out | 10:49 | |
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| ps2chiper | Hello | 11:06 |
| ps2chiper | Is anyone online? | 11:06 |
| psycho_oreos | no | 11:06 |
| iekku | maybe | 11:07 |
| mihero | no, you are the last one on whole world:) | 11:07 |
| iekku | :D | 11:07 |
| iekku | we are just bots | 11:07 |
| ps2chiper | ok, well i have a opportunity for those that want to participate. I would like to port meego to the infotmic 210 soc. | 11:08 |
| Bostik | early saturday morning, prime pre-xmas party time of the years... you won't find many people awake yet, I think ;) | 11:09 |
| ps2chiper | depends where you live. | 11:09 |
| johnx | ps2chiper, ARM11? you'll need to recompile for ARMv5TE / EABI I guess | 11:09 |
| ps2chiper | they actually bundled in pre built gpu drivers | 11:10 |
| ps2chiper | so its even more work than that | 11:10 |
| johnx | is there support in the linux kernel for it? | 11:10 |
| johnx | (not the GPU, but the SoC in general) | 11:11 |
| psycho_oreos | similar platform to those nokia nxx/exx symbian powered devices minus the signed bootloader I suppose | 11:11 |
| ps2chiper | they got their chinese patches in it | 11:11 |
| ps2chiper | its all closed source stuff | 11:11 |
| ps2chiper | i cant even open it up until the product is ready for sale | 11:11 |
| ps2chiper | I have the bootloader source code | 11:12 |
| ps2chiper | they basically have a hacked togheter android 2.1 using the 2.6.32.9 kernel with prebuilt gpu drivers | 11:12 |
| Termana | "their chinese patches"? That sounds rather unnecessarily racist to me | 11:12 |
| ps2chiper | they are patches made by chinese people that are kept out of the kernel | 11:13 |
| ps2chiper | what do you call that | 11:13 |
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| Termana | non-mainline patches | 11:13 |
| johnx | non-upstreamed | 11:13 |
| Termana | I certainly don't call them "chinese" | 11:13 |
| ps2chiper | ok, who here is chinese? | 11:14 |
| johnx | unless maybe they were written in a Chinese variant of C :) | 11:14 |
| Bostik | Kernig-Han & Rit Che | 11:14 |
| iekku | racism free meego! | 11:14 |
| ps2chiper | ok, so let them speak for that | 11:15 |
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| Bostik | sorry, couldn't resist | 11:15 |
| Termana | ps2chiper, there are plenty of people here in China. For example some of the people in the QA team are from China | 11:15 |
| ps2chiper | So, where do you think I am from? | 11:15 |
| johnx | the country of webchat | 11:16 |
| iekku | Termana, true | 11:16 |
| johnx | that's what XChat tells me at least | 11:16 |
| ps2chiper | close enough | 11:16 |
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| Termana | ps2chiper, I don't know. I don't care what country people are from, I include and don't discriminate against people of other countries | 11:16 |
| ps2chiper | well then you dont understand the cultural differences from closed source patches in china, made by non linux programmers | 11:17 |
| iekku | of course we need to pay attention to cultural differenses, but that'a all | 11:17 |
| iekku | and i didn't mean work culture by that | 11:17 |
| johnx | ps2chiper, anyways, do you have this patched up linux booting on hardware? | 11:18 |
| iekku | about loosing your face etc... | 11:18 |
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| ps2chiper | I got the developers kit from infotmic by signing a nda | 11:18 |
| johnx | ps2chiper, sooo, does that mean that to get this really going you essentially need someone to cleanroom it? | 11:19 |
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| ps2chiper | well their are alot difficulties. number one I never played with meego. I just read about it. number two. i need to find people that can keep secrets until the time is right to release it | 11:20 |
| ps2chiper | and also i dont have any real documentation on the gpu | 11:21 |
| ps2chiper | they didnt really mention anything in the datasheet | 11:21 |
| ps2chiper | so their is that. i think it wont be able to be ported to a newer kernel without serious hacks | 11:21 |
| johnx | errr, I don't think anyone here will volunteer to hear stuff that's under NDA | 11:21 |
| ps2chiper | no. just the code cant be released until the product is ready for sale | 11:22 |
| ps2chiper | unless you guys wanted to port meego to other products that are already using this chips so infotmic doesnt think it was me that released the code | 11:23 |
| ps2chiper | like the zt-180 | 11:23 |
| johnx | well, I don't think many people here (at this hour at least) speak for meego as a whole | 11:23 |
| johnx | I'm just hacking it on to a device in my spare time | 11:23 |
| ps2chiper | well, there are very few linux programmers in china. so outsourcing the work to other countries is required | 11:24 |
| Jay_BEE | WOOOT!!! http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ image is up and running!!!! YES!!!!! | 11:25 |
| Jay_BEE | what do I do now? | 11:26 |
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| ps2chiper | I can promiss one thing to the people that are serious about it. Free samples | 11:27 |
| Jay_BEE | performance is cool with this class 10 card i'm using | 11:28 |
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| johnx | ps2chiper, I would post on the mailing list as well. you might get the attention of people who aren't on IRC right now | 11:29 |
| lardman | Jay_BEE: Working ok then? Cool | 11:29 |
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| ps2chiper | I will do that later. I was trying to get a feel for what details i should mention on the post | 11:30 |
| Jay_BEE | lardman: yes! | 11:30 |
| lardman | what's app startup time like? | 11:31 |
| Jay_BEE | fairly quick to me | 11:31 |
| lardman | cool | 11:31 |
| * lardman tries to find the weekly build page | 11:31 | |
| Jay_BEE | initial boot took a while but that's expected because it needed to generate the ssh keys | 11:31 |
| lardman | I guess you had to use flasher to get the kernel over? | 11:32 |
| lardman | someone should set dneary on the wiki | 11:33 |
| Jay_BEE | no, i just wrote the image to my sd card, popped it in, turned on my n900 and i was in... granted i have a uboot-enabled kernel already setup | 11:33 |
| lardman | ah good stuff | 11:33 |
| * Jay_BEE connects to his wifi and fires up fennec | 11:33 | |
| johnx | ps2chiper, mention free hardware. mention what's already done. mention what info is available now and what will be available later | 11:34 |
| lardman | Jay_BEE: do you have a link to the weekly build page, I can't find anything in this damn wiki? | 11:34 |
| Jay_BEE | looking | 11:34 |
| ps2chiper | Thank you john | 11:34 |
| lardman | or wherever you grabbed your image from | 11:34 |
| Jay_BEE | [00:13]<Stskeeps>http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.9.20101207.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ should work with it | 11:36 |
| lardman | thanks :) | 11:36 |
| Jay_BEE | aww yeah... fennec is up and running... pure win here | 11:36 |
| lardman | and to confirm, the bz2 image contains a kernel too, so it works with u-boot? | 11:38 |
| ps2chiper | I can say the core is ARM1136JFS if that helps | 11:38 |
| * Jay_BEE opens up bugs.meego.com to see what issues are already reported | 11:38 | |
| * lardman goes to see if there's a version of uboot for his patched kernel | 11:38 | |
| Jay_BEE | i'm running kernel power 45 | 11:39 |
| lardman | ah, I need to check my version, did they add uboot back in? | 11:39 |
| lardman | I think my version had it removed for some reason | 11:39 |
| Jay_BEE | uboot was removed from 46 | 11:39 |
| lardman | ah, that sounds familiar | 11:40 |
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| lardman | I hate HAM, start fapman to look for uboot, connect to the interweb and bloody HAM decides it wants to lock the package db | 11:42 |
| Jay_BEE | yeah... ham bites | 11:43 |
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| Jay_BEE | ok fennec has appeared to lock me out... hmm | 11:44 |
| Jay_BEE | this is bug 9074 | 11:46 |
| MeeGoBot | Bug https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9074 maj, Medium, ---, roger.wang, NEW, [1.2 Testing] Sometimes unable to use home button, close button and address bar in fennec. | 11:47 |
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| * Jay_BEE updates said bug | 11:53 | |
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| Jay_BEE | thanks Stskeeps! | 12:13 |
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| lardman | hmm, is dd: opening `/dev/sdd': No medium found or similar a known issue? | 12:25 |
| lardman | trying to dd the Meego image that is | 12:25 |
| * Jay_BEE slaps HAM | 12:25 | |
| * lardman lends a fist | 12:26 | |
| Jay_BEE | thx | 12:26 |
| lardman | hmm curious, might have to boot windows to flash the Meego image, quite ironic really :) | 12:28 |
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| Jay_BEE | hehe | 12:29 |
| Jay_BEE | sadly, windows is what i'm running | 12:29 |
| Jay_BEE | don't tell anyone! | 12:29 |
| lardman | :) | 12:30 |
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| lardman | right, well I downgraded my power kernel to v45, so I'm part way there | 12:31 |
| Jay_BEE | woo hoo | 12:31 |
| lardman | bbiam after rebooting | 12:32 |
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| lardman | hmm, well win32 disk imager is doing its job | 12:40 |
| slaine | is that a windows equiv of dd ? | 12:41 |
| lardman | yeah | 12:41 |
| slaine | cool, must remember that one | 12:41 |
| * slaine knows nothing about windows | 12:41 | |
| lardman | it's linked from the N900 image installation page | 12:41 |
| slaine | cool | 12:41 |
| * lardman uses Windows at work | 12:41 | |
| slaine | still haven't managed to get my microSD | 12:41 |
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| lardman | Strange that error reported, looks like lots of people see it with flash drives, but I couldn't see a workaround in my quick look | 12:42 |
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| lardman | cool, all worked and Meego now booting | 12:51 |
| lardman | actually that was a pretty quick first boot | 12:51 |
| slaine | what type of microSD do you have ? | 12:51 |
| lardman | type 4 | 12:51 |
| slaine | Hmmm | 12:51 |
| lardman | I spoke too soon | 12:52 |
| lardman | :) | 12:52 |
| slaine | I've been hunging for a class 6 | 12:52 |
| slaine | hunting | 12:52 |
| lardman | I thought the ssh keys would be the killer, but it takes ages once the UI comes up with a strange indication in the middle of the screen | 12:52 |
| slaine | No retail shops seem to sell them around here | 12:52 |
| lardman | slaine: they get rather expensive quite quickly | 12:52 |
| lardman | ah the indication is a mouse cursor | 12:53 |
| slaine | lardman: yeah, there's been no optimization of the startup yet, apps take for ever too | 12:53 |
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| lardman | Jay_BEE reckoned the app startup was improved | 12:53 |
| Jay_BEE | well some apps... fennec took a while to startup and it seems there is a nasty bug which may prevent it from closing | 12:54 |
| slaine | I recall someone saying that there's no preload/boost stuff in place yet | 12:55 |
| slaine | of course, til I actually get a microSD I can't really say :) | 12:56 |
| lardman | hmm, takes a while for the UI to become responsive | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, it needs a proper SGX driver | 12:57 |
| Jay_BEE | my patriot 8gb class 10 microSDHC card was $24 at frys | 12:57 |
| lardman | oh, I thought it did have SGX | 12:57 |
| lardman | Jay_BEE: damn you Americans and your cheap stuff! ;) | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | not with proper acceleration | 12:57 |
| Jay_BEE | hehe sorry lardman | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | lardman, see thp's video | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | not sure if the driver works post 1.0.99 | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's on my list for next week | 12:59 |
| lardman | oh, so it;s not working in this image? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | SGX's working but it's ancient drivers | 12:59 |
| lardman | k | 12:59 |
| lardman | dunno if it's my card, but the ui is completely unresponsive | 12:59 |
| slaine | Jay_BEE: that's a good price alright, I can get a Class6 for about €22 | 13:00 |
| slaine | morning Stskeeps | 13:00 |
| Jay_BEE | [02:59]<Stskeeps>it's on my list for next week <--- awesome | 13:00 |
| lardman | how strange, some ui elements work, but others dont | 13:01 |
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| * lardman looks for a way to escape from the Contact detail view | 13:01 | |
| lardman | looks like a battery out job :( | 13:02 |
| lardman | ah, ctrl-q | 13:02 |
| Jay_BEE | [03:00]<slaine>Jay_BEE: that's a good price alright, I can get a Class6 for about €22 <--- ouch | 13:02 |
| Jay_BEE | [03:02]<lardman>looks like a battery out job :( <--- that's how I got out of fennec :) | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | 1.2's always fun | 13:03 |
| lardman | calendar is borken apparently | 13:03 |
| lardman | I should check the bug reports | 13:04 |
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| Jay_BEE | I did not notice any keyboard backlight when I was using the keyboard... is this known issue? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug | 13:04 |
| Jay_BEE | ok | 13:04 |
| lardman | pm still not implemented, I can feel my hands getting warm :) | 13:05 |
| slaine | is it implemented upstream yet Stskeeps ? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | PM? | 13:05 |
| slaine | yeah | 13:05 |
| Jay_BEE | i didn't notice my device get warm during my usage | 13:05 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: yes, but we need to test it better on n900 | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | we might have to go to .37 kernel | 13:06 |
| slaine | nod | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: it'll be bloody hard to get it 'as good' as n900 though | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | er, maemo | 13:06 |
| lardman | sure | 13:06 |
| slaine | I assume the drivers for maemo can't be opened ? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: they're open except they're for .28 and not upstreamed | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | no closed kernel drivers in n900 kernel | 13:07 |
| slaine | so, did the omap guys write a whole new pm module ? | 13:07 |
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| slaine | strange that the good and working .28 module could couldn't be ported up with subsequent kernels. | 13:07 |
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| * slaine needs more coffee | 13:08 | |
| Stskeeps | slaine: well, it's not really a module, it's more of an architecture kind of thing :) | 13:08 |
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| * slaine doesn't know enough about arm dev yet | 13:08 | |
| * lardman downloads kernel sources to have a look | 13:09 | |
| Stskeeps | basically 'not trivial' since there's no stable kernel api ;) | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | but there's work ongoing | 13:09 |
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| Stskeeps | things have been ongoing in linux-omap-pm, which isn't mainline | 13:10 |
| lardman | is there a requirement that the kernel not have patches? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: no, but upstream first philosophy | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | ie, upstream first, then you can patch | 13:11 |
| lardman | that's fair enough | 13:11 |
| niala | hello, please I search wiki help for setup handset on lenovo. | 13:11 |
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| Stskeeps | bbl | 13:12 |
| lardman | cheers Stskeeps | 13:13 |
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| slaine | niala, there was a wiki | 13:15 |
| slaine | entry | 13:15 |
| slaine | I find it hard searching the wiki too | 13:15 |
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| niala | slaine: yes sure, i use it last night, but search on wiki is not very friendly... search lenovo, stskeeps, etc :) | 13:16 |
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| slaine | look for sabotage | 13:17 |
| slaine | he created it | 13:17 |
| slaine | Ah, found it, http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Desktop/Changing_Desktops | 13:17 |
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| niala | thank you slaine you're rightit was "sabotage lenovo" :) | 13:18 |
| slaine | sabotage is on the intel handset team | 13:19 |
| slaine | I think they've been using the lenovo's as test hardware prior to the meegoconf (just my impression) | 13:19 |
| niala | usually it's stskeeps whos make wiki. | 13:20 |
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| niala | in my opinion ivi is better on netbook than handset | 13:26 |
| Jucato | hello? anyone have an idea when/if Fedora 14 will be supported in the SDK really soon? | 13:26 |
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| slaine | Jucato: it's being worked on as far as I know. No idea when it'll be ready though | 13:40 |
| Jucato | goodie thanks :) | 13:40 |
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| Jay_BEE | to bed I go.. zzz | 13:48 |
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| beford | any idea why a device may not appear on linux /meego under lsusb but it appears on windows (same machine)? | 14:28 |
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| magius_pendragon | beford: I'd assume drivers, but I'd seek a second opinion | 14:46 |
| magius_pendragon | does meego (netbook) use gdm/kdm, or it's own login? Trying to get fingerprint login | 14:47 |
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| msvb | magius_pendragon: There's neither gdm nor kdm in the 1.1 netbook image, so unless somebody has renamed the binary then it's safe to assume that MeeGo has its own login daemon. | 14:55 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: thanks | 14:56 |
| beford | regardless if it can be used or not it still should be listed :/ I think so | 14:56 |
| msvb | magius_pendragon: …and this would interest me as well, because I'd like to get the login working with a smartcard authentication layer. | 14:56 |
| msvb | magius_pendragon: ... Probably over pam or something like that. | 14:56 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: yup, I'm poking around pam now | 14:56 |
| magius_pendragon | beford: if the driver isn't present, the system doesn't know what it is. | 14:56 |
| lardman | cool, n900 image building | 14:57 |
| msvb | magius_pendragon: Tell us what you find regarding MeeGo login and pam authentication. Hopefully developers have not strayed too far from standards here. | 14:58 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: will do. Do you know if there's a way to list the files installed by a rpm? | 14:59 |
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| msvb | magius_pendragon: rpm -ql (installed), or rpm -qpl (in the package) | 14:59 |
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| msvb | magius_pendragon: Try this as well (nice trick), rpm -qf /lib/libpam.so* | 15:01 |
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| magius_pendragon | msvb: thanks | 15:03 |
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| msvb | magius_pendragon: Just tried # lsof | grep libpam, and it seems that MeeGo uses uxlaunch(1) for authentication, maybe login as well? | 15:04 |
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| msvb | magius_pendragon: At least we know that pam(8) is available. | 15:05 |
| msvb | Stupid smily was not intended, I meant pam ( 8 ). | 15:05 |
| patrakov | hi. is it possible to install meego on nokia n900's internal storage, instead of maemo (i.e., I don't mind losing all data)? | 15:06 |
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| slaine | beford: you're correct, if it's on the usb bus it should still be listed under lsusb | 15:07 |
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| msvb | slaine: Do you know who's been working on meego login (whatever is the [g|k]dm(1) equivalent) or pam( 8 )? We're trying to use different authentication methods with the netbook image. | 15:10 |
| slaine | msvb, There is no login manager per se at the moment | 15:11 |
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| msvb | …but what exactly is asking for a password at bootup then, uxlaunch ( 8 ) ? | 15:12 |
| slaine | on the Netook install, uxlauncher handles changing the user to the one setup during install (detailed in /etc/sysconfig/uxlauncher iirc) and it starts X with the appropriate session details to start the mutter window manager with plugins for the toolbar and panels | 15:12 |
| slaine | msvb, I've never seen a password request at launch | 15:12 |
| msvb | … I mean if the system is configured to require a password of course. | 15:12 |
| slaine | Can you do that atm ? | 15:13 |
| slaine | I know you're asked to login when resuming from a sleep | 15:13 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: so the problem I'm having is some unknown error when enrolling fprint | 15:13 |
| msvb | slaine: Go to the configuration panel, and select 'security'. | 15:13 |
| slaine | iirc, that's just the XScreensaver dialog. Well, it used to be at least | 15:13 |
| msvb | slaine: There you can require that a password be used to login. | 15:13 |
| slaine | it'll be uxlauncher then | 15:14 |
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| msvb | That's my guess too. | 15:14 |
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| msvb | magius_pendragon: Don't get it, what do you mean fprint(3) ? | 15:15 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: fprintd-enroll | 15:15 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: from the fprintd package | 15:15 |
| msvb | magius_pendragon: Ah, you're talking about finger print auth. | 15:16 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: yeah, was that unclear? sorry | 15:16 |
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| slaine | msvb, I'm not seeing what you're talking about | 15:16 |
| msvb | magius_pendragon: In which repository are the RPMs for fingerprint authentication, the official core or netbook repo? | 15:17 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: Repository: @System..? | 15:17 |
| msvb | slaine: What Magius and I are talking about are authentication methods to access MeeGo netbook, for example, password entry, fingerprint, smartcard... | 15:17 |
| slaine | i understand that | 15:18 |
| slaine | What I'm not seeing is your security setting that asks for a login on power up | 15:18 |
| slaine | inless thats in the trunk packages | 15:18 |
| slaine | I'm still using 1.1 | 15:18 |
| magius_pendragon | slaine: I'm using a 1.1 image too | 15:19 |
| msvb | magius_pendragon: Oh, I see. The fingerprint auth stuff is in the netbook image itself. Didn't know that. | 15:19 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: no, fprintd is in the repository, but the setting slaine's looking for is in the 1.1 netbook image | 15:20 |
| msvb | slaine: Well I can only be marginally specific, because the strings on my screen are German. Look in the application panel then 'Einstellungen' then 'Sicherheit und Passwoerter.' | 15:20 |
| slaine | Yeah, I'm there | 15:21 |
| msvb | slaine: It probably translates to 'Configuration' then 'Security and Passwords.' | 15:21 |
| slaine | And there's a switch which does say "Require a password to turn on or wake up my computer" | 15:21 |
| msvb | slaine: If you then select 'Require a password…' then you'll see a password entry dialog at each boot up. | 15:21 |
| slaine | And then there's a change password setting | 15:21 |
| magius_pendragon | slaine: it's a little 0-1 slider | 15:21 |
| slaine | But that text isn't accurate | 15:21 |
| beford | hey, any idea where should I put xinput to run with my calibration data? it has to be after X has started .. but not sure where it can go | 15:22 |
| msvb | slaine: It's the switch that turns on password authentication. | 15:22 |
| slaine | Not quiet | 15:22 |
| slaine | it enables xscreensaver to ask for your password | 15:22 |
| magius_pendragon | slaine: then what? | 15:22 |
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| magius_pendragon | slaine: it also asks me for pwd at login | 15:22 |
| slaine | But powering up your laptop should just autologin | 15:22 |
| slaine | at least, for me, I've that switch set but it still just autologs in on reboot | 15:23 |
| slaine | if I close the lid and it sleeps and then I resume it by opening the lid, I then get a password prompt | 15:23 |
| slaine | but not on power up/reboot | 15:23 |
| msvb | slaine: That's a little strange. Are you saying that you in your /etc/shadow file you have a password for your user, and when you activate this 'Require password' switch that you are still not asked for a password at login= | 15:24 |
| msvb | ? | 15:24 |
| slaine | yes | 15:24 |
| msvb | Interesting. | 15:24 |
| msvb | slaine: But you do understand why password authenticated logins is a useful concept for computers in general, right? | 15:25 |
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| slaine | lol, of course | 15:26 |
| slaine | it's possible this is a known bug | 15:26 |
| slaine | Moblin never had user login on first boot | 15:26 |
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| slaine | the login to resume was added via XScreensaver | 15:26 |
| magius_pendragon | mine's never not asked for a pwd | 15:27 |
| msvb | slaine: Okay, glad to know that I'm not going crazy. | 15:27 |
| slaine | on fresh power up ? | 15:27 |
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| slaine | magius_pendragon that question is for you | 15:27 |
| magius_pendragon | slaine: yup, out of the box | 15:27 |
| msvb | I think it would be pretty nifty for a mobile device with a MeeGo OS to be able to use smartcard authentication. | 15:28 |
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| msvb | It would open up a few nice possibilities and make common use cases possible. | 15:28 |
| msvb | slaine: Fresh power up, yes mee too (I don't see the bug.) | 15:29 |
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| slaine | msvb, magius_pendragon so to be clear, cold power up, you're asked for a login to start the meego session | 15:29 |
| msvb | slaine: Yes that's right, and if you give the wrong password it behaves appropriately. | 15:30 |
| slaine | ok, there's a bug there | 15:30 |
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| slaine | That little switch is on by default | 15:30 |
| msvb | slaine: …electroshock on the touchscreen. | 15:30 |
| slaine | And I only got asked for a login when I resumed from sleep | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | Why do I get :: error: [gen_peopleitemmodeldata.cpp] Error 127 when trying to compile meego-handset-dialer? | 15:31 |
| slaine | I disabled it, went somewhere else in the config and then went back and renabled it. Powered off and then Powered on again and now I'm asked for a password before I start the session | 15:31 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: electroshock on touchscreen? | 15:31 |
| msvb | magius_pendragon: …if you enter the wrong password. It's a joke. | 15:32 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: gotcha | 15:32 |
| slaine | msvb, magius_pendragon If you switch to tty1 you'll see that I was right, it's gnome-screensaver-dialog that's asking for the password | 15:32 |
| msvb | slaine: That's good, I guess it's working then. But not a great feeling that you have to experiment with the settings for a while. | 15:33 |
| slaine | I'll log a bug | 15:33 |
| msvb | slaine: Ah, so meego is simply starting the X11 session with the screensaver enabled (in the case that the 'Require password' switch is turned on?) | 15:33 |
| slaine | yes | 15:34 |
| msvb | slaine: Quite a strange way to handle login authentication, but okay. | 15:34 |
| slaine | Basically, the startup process launches uxlaunch as root | 15:34 |
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| slaine | it forks the process and execs as the user in the config file /etc/sysconfig/uxlaunch | 15:35 |
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| msvb | slaine: Wonder if there's a way to wedge a process between the X11 session and screensaver at bootup. If no, then the screensaver security model is valid. | 15:35 |
| slaine | The user process for uxlaunch then starts Xorg server and the mutter window manager with the meego panel plugins | 15:35 |
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| slaine | msvb, that as asked a few times on moblin lists iirc | 15:36 |
| slaine | can't recall if anyone managed to change it | 15:36 |
| slaine | There's a few things you could do though | 15:36 |
| msvb | slaine: Do you think its uxlaunch(1) or the Xorg server which directly starts the gnome-screensaver? | 15:37 |
| patrakov | Xorg server doesn't start anything | 15:37 |
| slaine | pstree might tell you, not on a netbook atm | 15:37 |
| slaine | uxlaunch starts a meego session | 15:37 |
| slaine | which is detailed under /etc/ somehwere | 15:37 |
| slaine | off for lunch, bbl | 15:38 |
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| msvb | patrakov: But whatever is in $HOME/.xsession will be started by Xorg server I think. | 15:38 |
| patrakov | msvb: not by Xorg server, but by xinit or startx | 15:38 |
| msvb | slaine: See you, bonne appetit. | 15:38 |
| msvb | patrakov: Okay, that sounds correct (xinit I mean.) | 15:39 |
| msvb | It would be very nice to figure out this flow of execution and maybe provide a package (login-proxy-blabla?) that acts like gdm/kdm without requiring a ton of libraries. | 15:41 |
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| msvb | …could even be a proof of concept with no UI, but linkage to the pam( 8 ) libraries. | 15:42 |
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| msvb | Surely something (login-proxy-blabla) like that must already exist. | 15:43 |
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| MohammadAG | how do I install packages under MADDE? | 15:43 |
| msvb | MohammadAG: Not sure what MADDE is. | 15:44 |
| MohammadAG | what's the SDK then? | 15:44 |
| msvb | MohammadAG: RPM based? | 15:44 |
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| MohammadAG | is there a scratchbox version? madde is retarded | 15:45 |
| patrakov | msvb: this should be easy. xinit looks at its arguments to determine the parameters of the server and client. a client can be a shell script that starts xscreensaver as a daemon, locks it and only after that starts the rest of the session. That's how I would do it, not sure how it is actually done | 15:45 |
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| patrakov | in fact I have nevert tried meego | 15:46 |
| Speccy | someone here get MSN to work with empathy? | 15:46 |
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| patrakov | Speccy: common bug with ubuntu. Try disabling SSL | 15:47 |
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| msvb | patrakov: But using xscreensaver in place of a real login manager (however lightweight) seems like a hack. | 15:47 |
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| msvb | patrakov: …because login authentication is just to basic of a OS service to not provide. | 15:47 |
| Speccy | how do I disable SSL? | 15:47 |
| patrakov | Speccy: there should be a checkbox somewhere, I think (I am just pretending to be a parrot) | 15:48 |
| Speccy | lol thanks | 15:48 |
| msvb | Speccy: When building a RPM package? Probably —define 'ssl no' or --define 'enable_ssl no' | 15:48 |
| msvb | Speccy: Oh, sorry didn't read your prevoius comment about MSN. | 15:49 |
| msvb | Speccy: Guess you're not building packages with/out SSL. | 15:49 |
| patrakov | msvb: yes, it is a hack. but given that there is only a single user, this hack works | 15:49 |
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| msvb | patrakov: Personally I don't know if single user limitation is really that great a feature, but setting that aside... | 15:50 |
| msvb | patrakov: …. it still would be useful to control the login process. | 15:50 |
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| msvb | patrakov: For example to be able to use a finger print reader or smartcard. | 15:50 |
| msvb | patrakov: It might be possible by manipulating the pam.d/xscreensaver conf or something like that. | 15:51 |
| patrakov | msvb: doesn't xscreensaver link against pam? [as I said, I know nothing about meego, my answers are based on gentoo] | 15:51 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: it's gnome-screensaver | 15:51 |
| magius_pendragon | and it does read the system-auth file, so it should still behave | 15:52 |
| msvb | patrakov: Yes, my best guess is that editing /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver would allow various login methods. At least in theoury it should. | 15:52 |
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| msvb | magius_pendragon: Have you tried adding the fingerprint module defs to /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver and rebooted? | 15:53 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: in case you're curious, quick update: turns out my fingerprint scanner isn't supported by the libfprint in the repo, the website has one that's reported to work (rpms for mandriva and fedora) | 15:53 |
| patrakov | msvb: if the front camera is supported in meego's kernel, you can try with pam-face-authentication | 15:53 |
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| magius_pendragon | msvb: have to figure out how to correctly specify the module provided by the manufacturer | 15:54 |
| msvb | patrakov: Good idea and thanks, but I'll stick to non-bio authentication (my preference is smartcard.) | 15:54 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: I'll keep you posted as I screw with this ; currently i'm trying to figure out whether mandriva rpm or fedora rpm would be better (dunno what's the diff) | 15:55 |
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| Speccy | it finally worked by installing python-crypto | 15:56 |
| patrakov | [repeating the question] is it possible to install mego onto the internal MMC card of the n900, not the external one? | 15:56 |
| msvb | magius_pendragon: Yes that's the hassle with PAM but you only do it once and then it's set. Good luck with the config, and hopefully your fprint reader manufacturer understands standards compliance. | 15:56 |
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| msvb | Speccy: Wait, you wanted to *disable* SSL encryption and required extra enryption packaging (python-crypto) to do that? | 15:57 |
| Speccy | It looks like a contradiction? :) | 15:58 |
| msvb | patrakov: No idea, but if the flashing process for N900 resembles the one for Maemo on the 770 then I can understand your difficulty. | 15:59 |
| Speccy | I got the network error trying to connect to MSN, just found on the web to install that package | 15:59 |
| msvb | patrakov: I don't have a N900 by the way, so just speculatio. | 15:59 |
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| ShadowJK | msvb: actually the default for MeeGo is external card, not internal emmc or internal nand | 16:00 |
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| patrakov | msvb: I haven't tried to install, just got very angry with the existing maemo bugs and decided to either replace it completely or brick and dump this buggy device | 16:00 |
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| msvb | patrakov: Wow I reached that conclusion in 2005 after receiving a defective 770. | 16:01 |
| msvb | patrakov: Sent it for repairs and got another defective 770 (with different defects) back in the mail. | 16:02 |
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| msvb | patrakov: The whole time wondering why the released (offical) software was unusable due to basic bugs like document corruption when saving. | 16:02 |
| patrakov | msvb: I am pretty sure that the defects are in software. e.g., non-seekable flacs are "fixed" my installing mplayer or decibel-audio-player | 16:03 |
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| patrakov | but maemo has too many custom proprietary modules that are too tightly integrated and thus hard to replace completely | 16:04 |
| msvb | patrakov: For the N900 you mean, okay then. I had as many of those type of defects, but a few hardware ones as well. Clock drift (real bad), screen sensitivity, power management, and wireless connectivity just to name a few. | 16:04 |
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| msvb | patrakov: I don't remember all of the software and hardware defects between the new and replacement devices I had, but it was quite an insane experience using the Nokia 770 (and still is because I've not junked it.) | 16:06 |
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| patrakov | :) | 16:07 |
| msvb | patrakov: Maybe the N900 is similar, but hopefully at least slightly better. | 16:07 |
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| ShadowJK | not that many left, they supposedly all will selfdestruct :) | 16:07 |
| msvb | patrakov: Good luck with replacing Maemo with MeeGo. It's a great idea and I hope you succeed. | 16:07 |
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| msvb | ShadowJK: That's the impression I got when contacting Nokia, that they wished all users who paid full price for 770 devices would disappear. | 16:08 |
| msvb | ShadowJK: There probably was just too many disappointed users. | 16:08 |
| msvb | In any case, Nokia was not very helpful in solving the problems with 770 devices (at least not in my case.) | 16:09 |
| msvb | See you later all. Bye bye. | 16:09 |
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| ShadowJK | no I mean there's a mysterious "feature" where flashing it has a non-zero risk of resulting in white screen of death from which there's no user method of recovery :) | 16:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the 770? | 16:24 |
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| GAN900 | Yes. | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | No! | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:58 |
| CosmoHill | 50/50 | 16:58 |
| GAN900 | Display controller gets fried. | 16:58 |
| GAN900 | Overvoltage. | 16:58 |
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| GAN900 | And it's actually potentially anytime on boot. | 16:58 |
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| CosmoHill | my graphics card fan is making a bad noise | 16:59 |
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| CosmoHill | it's gone silent, in about 5 mins i'll find out if it's the good or bad kind | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, spray air, or dismantle and clean | 17:01 |
| CosmoHill | I should | 17:04 |
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| CosmoHill | I think I'm getting a new desktop toon | 17:04 |
| CosmoHill | soon* | 17:04 |
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| harryhe | lbt is away? | 17:12 |
| harryhe | I want to build a package for meego, is OBS a must? | 17:13 |
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| CosmoHill | you can build packages with a local OBS or with the SDK | 17:14 |
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| CosmoHill | if you want to build a package on the community OBS you require an account on meego.com and to ask lbt or X-Fade to activate it | 17:14 |
| harryhe | seems SDK is not enough, so I want to try local OBS | 17:15 |
| magius_pendragon | msvb: got it working btw, dunno if you'll see this | 17:15 |
| dm8tbr | there is a guide to local OBS | 17:15 |
| harryhe | could you point it to me? I am a newbie | 17:15 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: when I read it, it seemed that the hardware requirements were pretty steep | 17:16 |
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| dm8tbr | magius_pendragon: well if you want to build for x86 you need a cpu with SSSE3 it seems | 17:19 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: it was talking about needing 2 hard drives and other stuff too. | 17:19 |
| harryhe | is this page for me? http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_private_instance | 17:19 |
| dm8tbr | magius_pendragon: one works too if you know what you do. also yes it's more a backend for a whole distro so it's not designed with a small footprint in mind | 17:20 |
| dm8tbr | harryhe: http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS if you really want to install this locally | 17:20 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: what if I basically just want to use my desktop to build (and maybe serve) a couple extra packages that i find missing in meego? | 17:21 |
| harryhe | Thanks, exactly what I need | 17:21 |
| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: would i need the whole thing, or might just hte build package work? | 17:21 |
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| dm8tbr | magius_pendragon: well either you use some other way to build those (I never investigated this) or you just get an community-obs account | 17:29 |
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| magius_pendragon | dm8tbr: well I guess I'll find out. Thanks | 17:31 |
| dm8tbr | I know those other options exist. I just never bothered | 17:31 |
| dm8tbr | others will know | 17:31 |
| dm8tbr | also developer.meego.com just launched into beta :) | 17:31 |
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| dnltea | is there anybody else in here who can activate OBS accounts? | 17:58 |
| dnltea | lbt is away obviouly | 17:59 |
| CosmoHill | X-Fade: | 17:59 |
| dnltea | oh ok ;-) | 18:00 |
| dnltea | thanx | 18:00 |
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| CosmoHill | you're welcome | 18:02 |
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| GAN900 | Saturday, most of these people are offline. | 18:04 |
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| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: do you happen to know how bad it is for the ARM target if the OBS host doesn't have SSSE3. I guess building for IA32/x86 will fail of course | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: 'can technically crash' | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | if it does.. | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | that's something different | 18:52 |
| dm8tbr | ok, I'll find out :) | 18:52 |
| gxben | trying to flash meego 1.1 on n900 but it seems to kernel panics, looking for rootfs, anyone to help ? | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | put your back cover on | 18:52 |
| dm8tbr | (and be on the lookout for an SSSE3 capable unused Orkstation at work) | 18:53 |
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| MohammadAG | Suggestion, why not kill back cover detection throughout testing? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: it's in the kernel | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | it's just a simple edit in the kernel | 18:54 |
| Stskeeps | MohammadAG: mostly cos we risk destroying sd cards too ;) | 18:54 |
| MohammadAG | yes, I know, and you push a new kernel weekly ;) | 18:54 |
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| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, when the cover is removed while meego is running, isn't it the same as when the card is removed directly? | 18:55 |
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| Myrtti | *squeee* new camera | 19:32 |
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| Jay_BEE | good morning (ugt) | 19:33 |
| Jay_BEE | is anyone available, willing and able to resolve a login issue with developer.meego.com? | 19:34 |
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| CosmoHill | Jay_BEE: the username is "meego" and the password is "developer" | 20:02 |
| Jay_BEE | yeah, I was aware of that, so basically no personal accounts for now? | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | not yet | 20:03 |
| berndhs_meego | is there a way I can sign my pub repo ? PackageKit chokes on unsigned repos | 20:03 |
| Jay_BEE | CosmoHill: k... thx | 20:04 |
| CosmoHill | it's still under development, the only reason I think it's password protected at the moment is to stop search engine bots (that's what I've heard anyway) | 20:04 |
| ali1234 | lcuk: a sketch widget with pixel access: http://pastebin.com/ZbKeSNVk | 20:04 |
| lcuk | berndhs_meego, i guess it would be the same as other rpm repositories? | 20:04 |
| lcuk | heh ali1234 | 20:05 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:05 |
| berndhs_meego | well, the OBS at opensuse signs things for you, and I haven't found a way to do it myself | 20:05 |
| gabrbedd | CosmoHill: Not to mention, PHB-repellent! | 20:05 |
| ali1234 | of course this is a real simple example, you would probably not want to put the input control and the rendering/image stuff in the same class... | 20:06 |
| lcuk | ali1234, sure I know | 20:06 |
| lcuk | theres a lot more required, do you know whythat interests me? | 20:07 |
| ali1234 | you want to rewrite liqbase in Qt? | 20:08 |
| lcuk | :) | 20:09 |
| lcuk | makes sense now theres strong support libraries for the things I want | 20:09 |
| * lcuk has watches mobility grow nicely | 20:09 | |
| lcuk | d | 20:10 |
| ali1234 | http://doc.trolltech.com/stable/qcustomrasterpaintdevice.html <- this might be interesting to you | 20:10 |
| lcuk | ali1234 every time I look I still wonder just how efficient it is at line drawing though | 20:11 |
| lcuk | it seems that wireframing was removed from opengles | 20:11 |
| lcuk | for instance, this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjDEvXueO0I is how it is currently | 20:12 |
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| lcuk | (using bitmaps only to paint the sketches isnt practical either because scaling single thickness lines ends up looking like poop unlike the live rendering i have now | 20:14 |
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| javispedro | officialy openvg is the one to use for line rendering... but I don't believe it proved to be fast. | 20:16 |
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| lcuk | o_O | 21:31 |
| lcuk | meego handset came back from sleep after opening the lid REALLY fast | 21:31 |
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| thiago_home | lcuk: the netbook does it too | 21:41 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, hm | 21:41 |
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| lcuk | thiago_home, I wouldn't have o_Oed if it did. | 21:41 |
| lcuk | but not yet sure if bug is bug from my messing or generic | 21:42 |
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| Termana | morning | 21:52 |
| CosmoHill | hola | 21:53 |
| lcuk | evening | 21:54 |
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| abstract3d | alterego: you have working qemu under 10.10? | 22:27 |
| abstract3d | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/MeeGo_1.1_SDK_Host_OS_Support | 22:27 |
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| RST38h | is developer.meego.com open or is it by invitation only? | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | RST38h, semi open <CosmoHill> Jay_BEE: the username is "meego" and the password is "developer" | 22:42 |
| abstract3d | RST38h: meego / developer | 22:42 |
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| CosmoHill | :3 | 22:43 |
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| Jay_BEE | ? | 22:44 |
| Jay_BEE | oh | 22:44 |
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| CosmoHill | Jay_BEE: he set off your highlight too :p | 22:45 |
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| Jay_BEE | hehe yeah | 22:45 |
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| * MohammadAG asks again; is this http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux enough for core application compilation? | 22:46 | |
| lcuk | MohammadAG, what do you mean specifically | 22:46 |
| lcuk | applications in the core | 22:47 |
| lcuk | or the core components to allow building any application | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | yes, dialer application | 22:47 |
| MohammadAG | running qmake in terminal (with mad prefixed) complains about meegotouch being missing | 22:48 |
| lcuk | then install meegotouch devel package | 22:48 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, how? | 22:53 |
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| lcuk | MohammadAG, start with "zypper se meegotouch" to search for all the meegtouch packages | 22:54 |
| lcuk | then "zypper in oneyouwant" :) | 22:54 |
| lcuk | expand for any package | 22:54 |
| lcuk | works on device too surprisingly ;) | 22:54 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, mad: zypper -- command not found | 22:59 |
| lcuk | eek you are in madde | 23:00 |
| lcuk | i have been using the full sdk | 23:00 |
| MohammadAG | where do I get that? :/ | 23:01 |
| MohammadAG | I hate madde | 23:01 |
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| MohammadAG | lcuk, meego-sdk-armv7l is already the newest version. | 23:12 |
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| NooBmonk3y | hmmm does qtirreco work for anyone? | 23:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | tried it a few times now, and nothing ever seems to happen | 23:20 |
| NooBmonk3y | oh meh wrong room | 23:21 |
| RST38h | "...giving the Doctor a frown that he recognized even on the face of a chimpanzee as belonging to upper management..." | 23:24 |
| RST38h | mhm | 23:24 |
| RST38h | abstract: aye aye sir | 23:24 |
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| beford | any idea where should I put a xinput command to calibrate the touch screen? it must launch after X | 23:29 |
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| sunkan | Decided to try meego on my n900. I only see an airplane in the top left corner and was not asked for my PIN. Is the phone working at all currently or do I have some issue with my setup? | 23:43 |
| beford | there is no ui to ask for PIN | 23:43 |
| beford | so you can't use a PIN protected sim at the moment | 23:43 |
| sunkan | Ah, I see.. I did search for that but found no answer on the net. Will try without PIN.. Thanks | 23:44 |
| sunkan | Or can I enter pin via CLI? | 23:45 |
| beford | and I am not sure about the airplane icon, I thing it will stay there even with a working sim, can't remember :) | 23:45 |
| beford | not sure about that | 23:45 |
| sunkan | Booting maemo now to remove pin temporarily.. | 23:46 |
| abstract3d | beford: airplane icon, usually is for airplane mode | 23:50 |
| abstract3d | a.k.a no use of SIM card | 23:50 |
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| abstract3d | if you can't unlock your sim card, you are in airplane mode, that means that you aren't connected to you GSM network | 23:50 |
| beford | it used to stay there regardless of sim, at least for me on some pre 1.1 images | 23:51 |
| * MohammadAG still can't figure out where to get the proper "full" SDK :/ | 23:52 | |
| MohammadAG | why isn't this stuff documented somewhere? | 23:52 |
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| Stskeeps | cos its still beta i thought | 23:53 |
| sunkan | My phone is still stuck in airplaine mode even without PIN requirement for the SIM... | 23:53 |
| Stskeeps | sunkan: not all providers make ofono happy for some reason | 23:54 |
| sunkan | Stskeeps: Ok.. is there anywhere I can find info regarding that? Log files on the device? | 23:54 |
| Stskeeps | ofonod in debug mode would help | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | Stskeeps, regardless, the Maemo SDK was documented from alpha stage | 23:55 |
| Stskeeps | file a bug please, sunkan | 23:55 |
| sunkan | Stskeeps: Ok.. | 23:56 |
| Stskeeps | sunkan: noting your specific mobile telco | 23:56 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, which sdk do you use? | 23:57 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: atm? qt sdk | 23:57 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, to build kernel and stuff? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: obs | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | and osc build | 23:58 |
| lcuk | and did you not document those steps recently? | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | i didn't, but osc info is out there | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'm off to sleep | 23:59 |
| sunkan | Stskeeps: I see 'Unable to read IMSI, emergency calls only' /var/log/messages from ofonod | 23:59 |
| lcuk | http://wiki.meego.com/User:Stskeeps/10_easy_steps_to_a_local_OBS ? | 23:59 |
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