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| Macer | good evening | 07:57 |
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| Macer | how is the n900 project coming along? | 07:57 |
| Macer | anything worth using real worldish yet? | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Macer: well, we have a pretty shiny video | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | and we can make phonecalls | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | like, with, audio | 08:10 |
| RST38h | With audio of what? =) | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | of the other person, duh | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | Macer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded | 08:11 |
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| TheBootroo_ | i can't even try my n900's usb port is broken :-( :-( | 08:14 |
| TheBootroo_ | i'm so sad | 08:14 |
| TheBootroo_ | Stskeeps: do you think the version of 27 october will be stable on N900 ? | 08:15 |
| psycho_oreos | which build number is your n900? | 08:15 |
| TheBootroo_ | psycho_oreos: were can i find that ? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo_: i can't tell the future but it's going to be there, it's going to have known bugs just like every other product and life goes on in 1.2 | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | we are on a fixed release schedule and it has to be followed, but it isn't as fancy as i would have hoped | 08:16 |
| TheBootroo_ | Stskeeps: ok. and about bluetooth and 3G is it going to work soon ? | 08:17 |
| TheBootroo_ | becuase there is already bluez and ofono for that no ? | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | phonecalls work, 3g networking isn't a 1.1 feature. bluetooth works but there's a bug crashing bluetoothd we're investigating | 08:17 |
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| TheBootroo_ | so you mean ofono is not intégrated yet ? and will not be soon ? | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | no, it is there | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | except there's no UI to set up the network connections | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | we can't exactly make phonecalls without ofono :) | 08:18 |
| TheBootroo_ | hum ok | 08:18 |
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| TheBootroo_ | so | 08:18 |
| TheBootroo_ | technically | 08:18 |
| Tumi_ | Stskeeps: will oFono be version 0.26? | 08:19 |
| TheBootroo_ | i can make a qt ui to configure ofono with my sim and it must work ? | 08:19 |
| Tumi_ | so does GSM network work? | 08:19 |
| TheBootroo_ | (i'm c++/qt developer) | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo_: right - i haven't tested this, but yes | 08:19 |
| Tumi_ | mean, cellular data? | 08:19 |
| TheBootroo_ | ok | 08:19 |
| TheBootroo_ | cool | 08:19 |
| TheBootroo_ | Tumi_: apparently | 08:19 |
| TheBootroo_ | if i understood right | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | it does if you hack it to do so :) | 08:20 |
| TheBootroo_ | it can work b | 08:20 |
| TheBootroo_ | but we cant test | 08:20 |
| TheBootroo_ | that's good for me | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo_: yes, ofono 0.26 | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | er, Tumi_ | 08:20 |
| TheBootroo_ | at least when my n900 will be powered up again | 08:20 |
| Tumi_ | Stskeeps: ok thnx | 08:20 |
| * Stskeeps has his coffee | 08:21 | |
| TheBootroo_ | Stskeeps: when will be able to run plain qt apps on meego ? | 08:21 |
| Tumi_ | Just created module to change GSM/UMTS/LTE network but it's only in 0.31 | 08:21 |
| TheBootroo_ | because it seem to have a bug tracked for that it doesn't work . | 08:21 |
| Tumi_ | really? what's wrong with that? | 08:22 |
| TheBootroo_ | Tumi_: not you | 08:22 |
| TheBootroo_ | Tumi_: was speakin to Stskeeps | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo_: ah, 7881 - it should be in next release candidate and is already in trunk daily | 08:22 |
| TheBootroo_ | Stskeeps: ok | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo_: support needs to be improved but at least it's not a white screen | 08:22 |
| TheBootroo_ | Stskeeps: and they are takin native look ? | 08:22 |
| Tumi_ | TheBootroo_: just wondering since I've been running native qt apps just fine | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo_: not sure about theming - but it's definately an area 1.2 can improve in | 08:23 |
| TheBootroo_ | ok | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, you two: #meego-arm is probably a place you'd like to hang out in | 08:23 |
| TheBootroo_ | i have a question for you Stskeeps | 08:24 |
| TheBootroo_ | since my N900 is kinda broken, i would like to continue my testing of weekly builds | 08:24 |
| TheBootroo_ | so can i try the i86 vesion on a eee pc that is at home ? | 08:24 |
| TheBootroo_ | and overall how | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | depends on which eee pc | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | has to be an atom based one | 08:25 |
| TheBootroo_ | 701, 800x480 screen so same res a N900, | 08:25 |
| TheBootroo_ | and for atom, no its nots needed | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | well, it is for meego x86 :P | 08:25 |
| psycho_oreos | TheBootroo_, I meant hardware revision (after trying to google build number lead me to nowhere desirable). Try typing this into n900: flasher -i --local | 08:25 |
| TheBootroo_ | cause i've already run meego netbook on it but it was indicated to work only on SSSE2 | 08:26 |
| TheBootroo_ | *3 | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | TheBootroo_: right, but handset's a different beast | 08:26 |
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| TheBootroo_ | what is using specifically SSSE3 functionnality which couldn't be turn off ? | 08:27 |
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| Stskeeps | think qt is using it quite extensively | 08:27 |
| TheBootroo_ | if its just something about power management i really don care | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | though i'm not sure | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | it's like NEON on ARM side, big benefits | 08:27 |
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| TheBootroo_ | arf your speakin about the SIMD ? | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i guess | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | either way: there's a build for netbooks still i think | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | of handset ux | 08:28 |
| TheBootroo_ | so it can run without, maybe slowly but workin however | 08:28 |
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| TheBootroo_ | Stskeeps: where can a find it ? | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com under handset/ | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | in one of the builds | 08:29 |
| TheBootroo_ | yes i know | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, it might break | 08:29 |
| TheBootroo_ | but there are many builds | 08:29 |
| TheBootroo_ | which one is the good ? | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | who knows :) test reports says that, go for the most recent: http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 , http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.1 | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | but now i gotta have my coffeee | 08:30 |
| TheBootroo_ | what is mtf ? | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | meego touch framework | 08:31 |
| TheBootroo_ | ok | 08:31 |
| TheBootroo_ | thanks | 08:31 |
| TheBootroo_ | let get your coofee | 08:31 |
| TheBootroo_ | i'll do the same | 08:31 |
| TheBootroo_ | ;-) | 08:31 |
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| TheBootroo_ | geeks we r 4ev3r | 08:31 |
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| Guest81330 | Hi All , I need to know how to add Qt package name to quick start ks file | 09:04 |
| Guest81330 | I added as "qt" to %package section in ks file but it downloaded only qtcore4 ...not all qtgui4 , qt4 etc | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | it should be pulled in if you have things depending on them | 09:05 |
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| Guest81330 | Stskeeps , if qtgui4 is not dependent on qtcore4 , how would it has to be named ? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | try adding qt-devel or something.. | 09:44 |
| Guest81330 | I supposed naming as "qt" should have downloaded all these pkgs ... I am referring to http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/daily/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ | 09:44 |
| Guest81330 | ok ..I will try with qt-devel | 09:45 |
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| Guest81330 | Stskeeps , it works now ..all pkg being downloaded ..thanks a lot | 10:09 |
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| Myrtti | plirp. moin. | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | moin | 11:05 |
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| CosmoHill | oh wait, UTC-8 | 12:47 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: looks like I can't do a poll on the forum as there are 21 suggestions and the maximum poll size is 10 | 12:51 |
| CosmoHill | hey Myrtti | 12:52 |
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| Myrtti | ohai | 12:57 |
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| CosmoHill | yay I remembered by own phone number :) | 13:05 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, ignore the silly ones | 13:28 |
| CosmoHill | ignoing texrats leaves 16 | 13:28 |
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| CosmoHill | I could do the top 9 and have 10 as "others" | 13:34 |
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| CosmoHill | com.*.meego.com is so weird, the URL starts and ends with the same part! | 13:46 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: http://pastebin.cross-lfs.org/16927 | 13:52 |
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| lcuk | c*.meego.com ? | 13:57 |
| CosmoHill | i think lbt suggested that | 13:57 |
| CosmoHill | i sometimes get you and lbt confused :/ | 13:57 |
| * lbt gets me confused too | 13:58 | |
| CosmoHill | yeah I'm probably talking to the wrong person about stuff | 13:58 |
| CosmoHill | if I drop c*.meego.com i'll reorder com.* with *.community | 13:59 |
| CosmoHill | s/*.community/community.*/ | 14:00 |
| infobot | CosmoHill meant: if I drop c*.meego.com i'll reorder com.* with community.* | 14:00 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, | 14:00 |
| lcuk | I meant, what does c*. mean, does it have cool.meego.com for instance? | 14:01 |
| CosmoHill | c = community | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | CosmoHill: Isn't the "community" part more significant than the build/api parts? Given DNS is most-significant last, I'd still say <service>.community.meego.com makes most sense | 14:01 |
| Jaffa | 'c' prefix is hungarian notation; and doesn't mean anything 'capi.meego.com' - gives you the documentation on the C API of MeeGo? ;-) | 14:02 |
| Jaffa | Or, indeed, '<service>.<namespace>.meego.com' | 14:02 |
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| CosmoHill | okay I've dropped c*.meego | 14:04 |
| CosmoHill | any changes before I create a poll on the forum? | 14:05 |
| lbt | yes | 14:06 |
| lcuk | lbt.meego.com :P | 14:06 |
| lbt | CosmoHill: it has to be *.<something>.meego.com ... ie community.api.meego.com is no good | 14:06 |
| lbt | capi.meego.com is OK ... but not c.api.meego.com | 14:06 |
| CosmoHill | ah okay | 14:07 |
| lbt | Jaffa: that's why I *hate* capi :) | 14:07 |
| lbt | I read it as C-API too | 14:07 |
| lcuk | thank god we dont have rap music on meego | 14:07 |
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| CosmoHill | do we want to combine pub and public? I have enough slots to separate them now | 14:07 |
| CosmoHill | is the community OBS almost ready? | 14:09 |
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| lbt | yes... it's very ready.., | 14:14 |
| lbt | been ready for ages.... waiting on meego.com stuff | 14:14 |
| CosmoHill | how long do you want the poll for? | 14:14 |
| CosmoHill | IIRC there is a community meeting next tuesday | 14:15 |
| CosmoHill | also would you like to allow multiple choice? | 14:15 |
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| CosmoHill | here we go | 14:19 |
| CosmoHill | http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=1671 | 14:19 |
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| stephg | I have voted. I am winning! | 14:21 |
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| CosmoHill | this is where if someone wants to make a change they need to suggest is very soon | 14:22 |
| stephg | heh | 14:22 |
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| CosmoHill | stephg: does the post make sense to you? I want it to be as clear as possible but english isn't my strong point | 14:22 |
| pupnik | "like the most" for *what* purpose? | 14:23 |
| pupnik | oh community obs | 14:23 |
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| stephg | it's pretty clear CosmoHill | 14:23 |
| pupnik | can you put that in the title CosmoHill ? | 14:24 |
| CosmoHill | the thread is called "Community OBS Naming" :p | 14:24 |
| pupnik | ah | 14:24 |
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| pupnik | my mistake - just skipped right to the question | 14:24 |
| stephg | only thing I might say is a little boilerplate about what the OBS is | 14:24 |
| adeus | "obs" is taken so just "bs"? :) | 14:25 |
| stephg | heh | 14:25 |
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| pupnik | but seriously CosmoHill - *anytime* you take a poll, be specific in the *poll question* - not the context... | 14:26 |
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| CosmoHill | I will, as soon as I find the edit button for the poll | 14:27 |
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| whitewine | Simple question. Is megoo gonna be the next Maemo? I mean comportable backwards. | 14:33 |
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| CosmoHill | whitewine: meego, and yes it will repleace maemo | 14:45 |
| Stskeeps | but no guarantees of compatibility unless you're writing in qt | 14:45 |
| whitewine | oh, double "e", not "o" :^) | 14:46 |
| whitewine | Thank you | 14:46 |
| Jaffa | whitewine: and the "next Maemo" is still Maemoish. | 14:54 |
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| whitewine | Jaffa, a fork? ;))) | 14:55 |
| vilvo | meego-qa-tools weekly at #meego-meeting in 5 mins. welcome. | 14:55 |
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| lcuk | whos got link to the video of n900 with reasonable drivers and meego reacting reasonably well? | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | planet.maemo.org a few pages back | 15:12 |
| frals | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U | 15:13 |
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| lcuk | frals come and see us, I will go for a smoke using your card :P | 15:15 |
| stephg | frals: that's a cool video btw | 15:15 |
| lcuk | 5th floor somewhere | 15:16 |
| lcuk | wave a trout I will see you | 15:16 |
| CosmoHill | frals: pretty | 15:17 |
| lcuk | sat near B521 | 15:18 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.nokia.co.uk/support/product-support/nokia-6220-classic | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | does this page render okay for everyone else? | 15:27 |
| CosmoHill | the main content for me is off to the right | 15:27 |
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| stephg | CosmoHill: looks a mess to me too fwiw | 15:28 |
| stonda | broken as well (ff 3.6.10) | 15:28 |
| Myrtti | yup, it's messed, with chromium | 15:28 |
| CosmoHill | good | 15:29 |
| CosmoHill | well, bad, you know what i mean | 15:29 |
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| CosmoHill | took me ages to find what I wanted | 15:32 |
| sugnan | i have the following display for the command lspci | grep VGA, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH VirtualBox Graphics Adapter | 15:32 |
| sugnan | but the meego sdk is not working in mine, and i am using xepher, can some one help | 15:32 |
| CosmoHill | nokia.com/mac | 15:33 |
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| sugnan | in the documentation in the link http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr, Desired output: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation ... | 15:33 |
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| sugnan | can some one please tell, does meego requires controller: Intel Corporation only, | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | sugnan: be more specific :) | 15:39 |
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| sugnan | Stskeeps, i am a newbie installing the meego sdk, i followed the instructions from the link http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_with_Xephyr | 15:41 |
| Myrtti | and you're doing it inside Virtualbox? | 15:41 |
| sugnan | now i have installed everythin but the xephyr display some unusual display wen i start meego | 15:42 |
| ni1s | I assume the image only contains a X driver for intel, xf86-video-intel | 15:42 |
| sugnan | Myrtti, ya i am | 15:42 |
| sugnan | Myrtti, cant we use the meego-sdk in virtual box? | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | not afaik | 15:43 |
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| sugnan | no is there no way to have meego-sdk on windows? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | this is platform sdk, there'll be a proper qt based sdk | 15:46 |
| sugnan | http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_SDK_on_Windows_with_VirtualBox | 15:46 |
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| ni1s | sugnan, you could install ubuntu or something and install the sdk on that | 15:47 |
| ni1s | yeah | 15:47 |
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| sugnan | nils, ya thats what i have done, but the xephyr is showing some unexpected output, | 15:48 |
| ni1s | sugnan, could you pastebin that output? | 15:49 |
| sugnan | nils, ya just a min | 15:50 |
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| frals | lcuk: smoking is bad ;-) | 15:52 |
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| lcuk | frals, gahhh | 15:54 |
| lcuk | it might be bad, but trout is worse | 15:54 |
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| sugnan | nils, http://yfrog.com/03screenshotikhp | 15:55 |
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| ni1s | pretty | 15:56 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, who handles handset release integration currently, is there a wikipage for the process yet? | 15:58 |
| sugnan | nils, may be i should use a system which has intel? | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: define integration | 15:58 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, who decides to accept a patch and make it available, and who does the actual configuration modification to have the .ks including those updated versions? | 15:59 |
| ni1s | sugnan, maybe, not sure | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: well, there's package maintainers and those controlling the package groups | 16:00 |
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| Stskeeps | and .ks doesn't usually specify exact version | 16:00 |
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| sugnan | nils, ok anyways thanks :( | 16:00 |
| lcuk | ok Stskeeps, but for integrating new packages or changing the default image contents those need modifying | 16:01 |
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| CosmoHill | awesome, itunes is trying to murder my processor with 40% load to play music | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | right | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: it's a mix of people doing those but in theory anyone can submit requests | 16:01 |
| lcuk | so "those controlling the package groups" == umpa lumpas? or real people with email addresses ? | 16:02 |
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| lcuk | I know anyone can submit requests, its who is dealing with accepting them, and just deciding to accept something usually means legwork after for someone | 16:03 |
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| Stskeeps | for package groups: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/package-groups , right hand side | 16:04 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, consider it me trying to document and understand the workflow. thanks \o | 16:04 |
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| Stskeeps | lcuk: check out wiki/Release_Engineering | 16:05 |
| lcuk | :) perfect | 16:05 |
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| alterego | Where's the git for qemu-gl? | 16:14 |
| alterego | nvm, found it ^.^ | 16:15 |
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| alterego | What's pinetrail-mtf? | 16:31 |
| alterego | Oh, moorestown variation | 16:32 |
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| qgil | ayanes: as a coincidence I just found http://fruct.org/conf7/Yanes_Packages_on_Maemo_MeeGo.pdf :) | 17:33 |
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| Stskeeps | morn qgil | 17:34 |
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| ayanes | qgil yep :P | 17:42 |
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| qgil | dneary I just answered that email on meego-dev about Stskeeps taking the role of Harri on the N900 releases | 18:15 |
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| qgil | dneary: you really need to fix your definition of "community" as "MeeGo contributors, except those working at Nokia and Intel" :) | 18:16 |
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| dneary | qgil, Thanks | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | qgil: We need a meego conference twitter hashtag. | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | Current leaders are: | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | #MeeGoCon (not really being used) | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | #MeeGoConf (most people already using this one) | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | #MeeGoConference (too long IMHO) | 18:21 |
| dneary | qgil, There's a reason I put community in quotes | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | Unless you have another suggestion, let's go with #MeeGoConf | 18:21 |
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| dneary | DawnFoster, Looks fine to me | 18:21 |
| DawnFoster | also reminder that we have a nice definition of MeeGo Community here: http://meego.com/community | 18:22 |
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| DawnFoster | qgil: any objections to that hashtag before I start promoting it? | 18:22 |
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| DawnFoster | *wonders if qgil has his IRC client set to ping him when someone mentions his name* :) | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | Meegonf | 18:25 |
| Myrtti | :-P | 18:25 |
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| DawnFoster | Myrtti: let's make it something that no one can spell - part hashtag part intelligence test :) | 18:26 |
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| qgil | DawnFoster: ok to #MeeGoConf | 18:26 |
| DawnFoster | qgil: coolio. Can you mention this in that blog post you're working on along with the Twitter list? | 18:27 |
| qgil | DawnFoster: I do, but sometimes I left my headset plugged AND on the table :) | 18:27 |
| qgil | DawnFoster: I will mention it | 18:28 |
| DawnFoster | qgil: ha - was mostly harassing you. I wander away from my computer and sometimes see them much later | 18:28 |
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| DawnFoster | I use visual notifications though - I hate having things beeping at me all day :) | 18:29 |
| qgil | DawnFoster: I'm also well trained to avoid anything interrupting me before I send the email I'm writing :) | 18:29 |
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| DawnFoster | the Art of Ignoring People is an important community management trait | 18:30 |
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| qgil | dneary: "independent contributors" is much clearer than "community" in quotes, then | 18:30 |
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| dneary | qgil, Just for information: I was making a statement. Having fairly major things like this mentioned only in meeting agendas, meeting minutes and during real-time meetings is not what I would call communicating about them | 18:31 |
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| dneary | I'm in some sense giving you an opportunity to head off community concerns which might otherwise have arisen later | 18:31 |
| qgil | dneary: but I hope you agree that we can't assume something is being downgraded just because a Nokia/Intel dude is being substituted by a non-Intel/Nokia dude :) | 18:32 |
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| dneary | qgil, I did discuss this with Stskeeps. And again, as I said in the email, there are 2 things here: the thing, and what the thing looks like | 18:32 |
| dneary | As a marketing dude, you surely appreciate that there is a difference | 18:33 |
| qgil | dneary: I do, even as a community member ;) - and I don't know why Harri/Carsten couldn't discuss this before in a mailing list (meego-pm?) without needing direct intervention from the TSG | 18:34 |
| qgil | dneary: then again, the TSG meetings is where nominations happen atm | 18:34 |
| dneary | qgil, And you may not have noticed if you read quickly, but I won't be able to attend the TSG tomorrow, so won't be able to ask during the meeting | 18:34 |
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| qgil | dneary: I read too fast, then ;) | 18:34 |
| dneary | This was, in some sense, the point I wanted to make most strongly. The real time meetings are not effective as a means of making things known within the project | 18:35 |
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| dneary | I mentioned to Dawn that I thought that perhaps the time has come to see if there isn't a better way to co-ordinate efforts | 18:35 |
| dneary | some real-time meetings are useful, but too many are not. | 18:35 |
| qgil | dneary: this is a point that I agree needs a lot of improving. but TSG members don't feel like following busy mailing lists (they have enough managing their mailboxes without lists) | 18:36 |
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| qgil | dneary: the natural evolution is to leave more decisions out of the TSG (it's happening, slowly) and maybe the TSG could make more use or non-real-time channels to communicate stuff in the future | 18:37 |
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| qgil | meego-pm can be a useful tool for this, having the Program Office more voice on daily decisions, and leaving the TSG for more strategic or escalation stuff | 18:38 |
| dneary | qgil, In this particular situation, I would have expected Harri to send a mail proposing the change to meego-dev, explain the reasoning & propose submitting it for approval to the TSG | 18:38 |
| qgil | anyway, I need to write this post for meego.com :) | 18:38 |
| dneary | qgil, Please don't let me distract you :) | 18:38 |
| qgil | DawnFoster and me are mastering this sharing of responsibilities, she is doing a great job organizing the community collaboration channels and processes and she is the one that is spending more brain/time helping the TSG and the MeeGo meritocracy consolidation | 18:40 |
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| DawnFoster | we're still refining the processes. The benefit of regular meetings is that they act as a forcing function to make sure we are making progress. | 18:42 |
| DawnFoster | I still think we need both | 18:42 |
| DawnFoster | we do need to get better about discussing things on the mailing list before the decision happens in the TSG | 18:42 |
| DawnFoster | qgil & I push for this, but it doesn't always happen | 18:43 |
| DawnFoster | we're slowly getting there | 18:43 |
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