IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2010-07-31

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DocScrutinizer(I thinkt hey were still 16bit) I was old enough so my age back when for quite some years didnn't fit into an unsigned nibble, and I think it depends on your compiler00:03
DocScrutinizer(hell I wrote my Z-80 programs on paper with a pencil that time, then calculated jump distances in my head, and transcoded everything to hex, before I hacked the hex codes into a nascom-I)00:06
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aukeDocScrutinizer: ahh back when life was simple00:15
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DocScrutinizeryeah, and a nice game_of_life program took some 250 bytes or somesuch00:16
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aukeI was too young back then. My first assembly code was a joystick driver for C64.00:16
* TSCHAKeee started on an Atari 80000:22
TSCHAKeeebut had a bunch of other machines that my father and I collected (over 450 when we were done)00:22
TSCHAKeeebut i learned 6502 and z80 assembly almost in parallel00:23
TSCHAKeee(to be fair, i loved things about both of them, even though i preferred the 6502)00:23
TSCHAKeeethen i learned 8086 and cried00:24
* csd thinks everyone is starting to date themselves00:24
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TSCHAKeeei dated myself long ago00:24
TSCHAKeeebut i always have one foot in the future, and one in the past00:25
csdI started with 6502 (apple ][+), and z80 assembly looked awesome after the 6502...00:25
DocScrutinizer(8086 cry) LOL, yes00:25
TSCHAKeeeit always frustrated me that there were no support chips on the apple 200:25
TSCHAKeeepeople spent so much time on their faux bit blitting routines00:26
TSCHAKeeelooking back, i am amazed that woz squeezed just enough bandwidth out of the memory bus to get 40 columns, low res, AND high res....00:27
csdit was a cost control thing. Some of things Wozniac did were amazing00:27
TSCHAKeeeand of course, the disk ]['s finite state machine design was absolutely bonkers clever00:27
TSCHAKeeebut for $1500 ... NO video coprocessor?00:28
TSCHAKeeeNO sound chip other than a pulse clicker?00:28
TSCHAKeeebut it did have slots00:28
TSCHAKeeepre-decoded ones at that00:28
csd1980...00:28
TSCHAKeeeyes00:29
TSCHAKeeeand Atari had a machine with three coprocessors00:29
csd$600 for a BW 9" monitor00:29
TSCHAKeeeand the 650200:29
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csdThe Atari came 2 or 3 years after the apple 200:30
TSCHAKeee$600-700 for a disk drive00:30
TSCHAKeeeyes00:30
csdeven in those days that was a long time :-)00:30
TSCHAKeeei even liked the PET00:30
TSCHAKeeethat IEEE-488 I/O bus design was also a stroke of genius00:31
TSCHAKeeedad spent time as an engineering assistant/tech at atari and commodore00:31
TSCHAKeeeand i got to meet a lot of those guys00:31
TSCHAKeeeand toooons00:31
TSCHAKeeetons of stories00:31
csdThe disk drive was so cheap because they put all SW sectoring... Of course you could only fit 150k on each...00:32
TSCHAKeeeheheh, yeah, AFTER woz changed the encoding to be 16 sectors00:32
TSCHAKeee(from 13)00:32
TSCHAKeeethat and he designed all his own analogue boards, and the disk controller.... a finite state machine, in a PROM, and a few logic support chips..00:33
csdI recall reformatting from 13 to 16 to get all those extra K from each ploppy...00:33
TSCHAKeeemuffin baby00:33
TSCHAKeeehehehh00:33
TSCHAKeeei spent a few weeks disassembling RWTS00:34
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TSCHAKeeeso i could mess with low level sectoring00:34
TSCHAKeeefun times00:34
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TSCHAKeee;)00:35
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DocScrutinizerAmiga had best floppy disk controller, the whole encoding was configurable00:37
csdAhhh the days when your computer manual had ROM addresses for all the important subroutines in it...00:38
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tiorodyWOW!!! After looong years, here I'm back to IRC. Sorry for my English dudes. I just came in to say hello. I was setting Empathy, now I'll just work. See ya all soon!00:55
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CosmoHilllcuk: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/cosmo_cluster/desk2.jpg :)01:10
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InformatiQdf -h05:16
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vljvgrade: hi13:18
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vljI only get a x session with no ux :/13:19
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vljbut there is glx acceleration13:19
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JaffaHmm, belated highlight which irssi's kindly scrolled away13:22
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lbtJaffa: I asked why you weren't using the community OBS13:36
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Jaffalbt: ah, lack of time. Happy to do some testing of my intepreted-language packages (Catorise, Hermes etc.)13:38
Jaffalbt: Hermes depends on python-evolution which is compiled13:39
Jaffalbt: Somewhat confused and/or intrigued with the recent discussions around "autopackagers" vs. spectacle.13:39
lbtyes13:39
lbtI think the communication is poor13:40
lbtI hope so anyway13:40
lbtI wonder if the summary is "please try to use spectacle to make an initial spec. If you do then continue to share and manage the yaml file"13:41
lbtanyhow... shouldn't you at least have an account on the obs?13:41
JaffaIndeed13:42
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vgradevlj, been out with my boys at bowling, good news on X13:45
vgradedid you make the edits specified on the wiki?13:46
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lcukis it possible to poke the OBS and other build queues to get a total list of packages used in all the UXes and show which are common and which are specific to the ux18:19
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esmirlinhello! does anybody know something about the opensuse version of meego? i've heard that the version 11.3 brings the meego desktop installation... but i don't find it anywere :S ...19:29
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CosmoHillnews to me19:30
Stskeepsesmirlin: best to ask the opensuse guys :)19:30
Stskeepsit's called smeegol or something instead19:30
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esmirlinStskeeps: yea that is thanks i'm doing it atm ;)19:31
CosmoHillsmeegol?19:31
CosmoHillisn't he some kinda slave / servant?19:31
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esmirlinCosmoHill: lol smeagol... but just a name you know...19:35
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Stskeepsmore like 'we can't call this meego cos there's no compliance policies'19:35
Stskeeps:P19:35
Stskeepsor we aren't compliant, one of those19:36
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microlithhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0DL5giOBU&feature=related19:51
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sudheerircreenode.net20:47
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CosmoHillyes, this is where you are20:47
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CosmoHillsalut trem23:59
tremsoir CosmoHill23:59

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