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| Tina- | i curently run a custom kernel 2.6.35-git(my gentoo build kernel) :) so i have ext4 support and run things i miss in meego in a chroot , so i have java in firefox and have some more codecs , but it would be nice if i knew how mee-go is packaged , like just build a repo with bin's | 09:16 |
| Tina- | is that possible userend repo? | 09:16 |
| Tina- | (guess ppl sleep ^.^) | 09:18 |
| * Tina- ssshsh :x | 09:18 | |
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| Stskeeps | you're early up :P | 09:19 |
| Tina- | aw did i wake you ? | 09:19 |
| Tina- | aint nokia pushing for qt , so why all the gtk+ stuff ?? | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | well. even in maemo, qt apps existed as a toolkit alongside.. | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | because it'd be a shame to let go of all the good stuff made for netbook ux, really | 09:21 |
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| Tina- | the mutter thingie used is it the one that works with metacity or the one that replaces metacity? | 09:22 |
| Tina- | can i generate a list installed packages with yum ? (never used it b4) | 09:23 |
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| Stskeeps | you'd usually use rpm for that | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | rpm -q -a | 09:24 |
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| Tina- | i only know emerge ^.^ | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | took me a while to understand the various commands too, but once i mastered them, i actually liked them better than for example debian counterparts :P | 09:25 |
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| Tina- | >> Emerging (27 of 89) gnome-extra/at-spi-1.30.1 from gnome atm | 09:25 |
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| Tina- | i build everything from source on my desktop and use a bin server to install them on the netbook | 09:26 |
| Tina- | i'm trying to rebuild some meego my self via this git http://github.com/ramereth/moblin-overlay | 09:29 |
| Tina- | why is the arch i586 , a atom n270 is i686 ^.^ | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | good question :P | 09:31 |
| Tina- | you know what the login manager is called? or is it a gdm mod? | 09:32 |
| Tina- | seems to load faster then mine gentoo :o | 09:32 |
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| Tina- | see i moved away from rpm , dep, yum, .. long b4 they 'worked' , emerge always worked and it is amazing to see it calculating depandencies :p | 09:35 |
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| Tina- | but when i switched days where differnet lol building gentoo +X on a p3 takes like 1.5 day ^.^ | 09:36 |
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| Tina- | feel free to call me insane | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | nah, each to his/her own | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | meego fullfills one purpose, gentoo another | 09:37 |
| Tina- | true | 09:38 |
| Tina- | doesd it run on a android? | 09:38 |
| Tina- | does it .. | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | hard to say, depends on if the android device allows you to boot your own kernel and rootfs as well as having access to 3d accelerator drivers and an up-to-date kernel | 09:38 |
| Tina- | i needs a new phone | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:38 |
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| Tina- | banshee not works on my install btw :/ | 09:39 |
| Tina- | and rhytembox errors on missing some gst-plugin to play mp3 | 09:40 |
| Tina- | rhythmbox* | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | open source sucks that way :P | 09:41 |
| Tina- | ^.^ | 09:42 |
| Tina- | i likes flac | 09:42 |
| Tina- | too big nah just buy more disks :p | 09:43 |
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| tmzt | Tina-: un on an android? | 09:49 |
| Tina- | i dont have a fancy phone :o | 09:49 |
| Tina- | i have a eeepc :D | 09:49 |
| tmzt | what phone do you have? | 09:49 |
| tmzt | oh | 09:49 |
| tmzt | what does that have to do with android? | 09:49 |
| Tina- | that was just a Q | 09:50 |
| Tina- | am i so confizzeling?? O.o | 09:51 |
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| Tina- | how i kill the lowest pannel? | 09:55 |
| Tina- | i no wants it | 09:55 |
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| anttu | could you please help me with getting telnet client to meego (laptop) | 09:59 |
| anttu | there is no telnet command, and yum install does not find telnet or putty | 10:00 |
| brokendatapoint | hi all, is there any chance that the Meego SDK or at least the Meego Simulator will end up as a WIN32 app/exe? | 10:05 |
| * brokendatapoint notes his long nick... | 10:05 | |
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| anttu | ? | 10:06 |
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| anttu | is there some repository to add to meego to get putty or telnet installed? | 10:08 |
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| brokendatapoint | anttu: just realised that my nick is tooooo long for small screens | 10:08 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: why do you want telnet? why not use openssh? | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | brokendatapoint: i think there'll come a proper qt sdk out that will run on windows too | 10:09 |
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| anttu | i just have a router to connect with telnet, there is no ssh started on that | 10:09 |
| brokendatapoint | Stskeeps: thanks, hate to dev on WIN but is convenient, also my Debian sys runs an Nvidia card on an ATI mobo | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | brokendatapoint: did you try to drop in the nvidia libGL* into the chroot? | 10:10 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: then install it... far more secure | 10:10 |
| anttu | this is just a test router on my desk | 10:10 |
| brokendatapoint | Stskeeps: no, the docs just said was for Intel- onboard only so did not but... | 10:10 |
| Stskeeps | brokendatapoint: just because docs say one thing it doesn't mean it isn't possible to hack ;) | 10:11 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: if you have access to it, openssh it, can connect using Putty | 10:11 |
| brokendatapoint | Stskeeps: fair point! | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | brokendatapoint: you do need an atom processor / ssse3 support hough | 10:12 |
| brokendatapoint | Stskeeps: is there any docs for that? or are you just going off experience | 10:12 |
| anttu | brokendatapoint: there is no putty! | 10:12 |
| brokendatapoint | ah well, there you go | 10:12 |
| anttu | how can i get it to meego? | 10:12 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: no, you would use Putty from a windows machine to connect to your server ... so long as it is *nix-based | 10:13 |
| anttu | i would like to use my meego laptop | 10:13 |
| anttu | do not want to touch windows machine | 10:13 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: so you have a laptop running Meego? which is a Linux distro... | 10:13 |
| anttu | yes, i have a laptop running MeeGo | 10:14 |
| anttu | and i would like to install putty to it | 10:14 |
| anttu | where can i get it? | 10:14 |
| brokendatapoint | why? | 10:14 |
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| anttu | oh my, brokendatapoint: to get a connection to a server | 10:15 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: what O/S is your server running? | 10:15 |
| anttu | openwrt, but that does not matter here | 10:16 |
| anttu | i know how to start ssh on the server, but i just need fast terminal access for a moment | 10:16 |
| thiago_home | anttu: you can't get putty for Linux | 10:17 |
| thiago_home | just open a terminal and use telnet | 10:17 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: just my 2 cents worth ... by the time you find a solution for Putty on Meego, it would have been quicker to install OPENSSH-SERVER and set it to run on boot, then SSH in | 10:18 |
| thiago_home | brokendatapoint: he can't install OpenSSH on the router | 10:18 |
| anttu | thiago_home: i have putty on my ubuntu laptop | 10:18 |
| thiago_home | useless | 10:19 |
| thiago_home | just use telnet and a terminal | 10:19 |
| tmzt | thiago_home: you can get putty for X11 | 10:19 |
| anttu | thiago_home: there is no telnet on meego, that is my original problem/question here! | 10:19 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: what he said | 10:19 |
| tmzt | nc -t? | 10:19 |
| thiago_home | there should be a telnet for meego | 10:19 |
| thiago_home | someone should package it | 10:19 |
| anttu | i agree | 10:19 |
| anttu | in the mean time is there e.g. some fedora repository to add to meego | 10:20 |
| thiago_home | no | 10:20 |
| thiago_home | there are no fedora repositories to add | 10:20 |
| anttu | extras/devel/testing etc repos? | 10:21 |
| tmzt | if you really need telnet just pull the binary from debian | 10:23 |
| anttu | tmzt: how is that done? | 10:24 |
| thiago_home | the debian one is less likely to work than the fedora one | 10:24 |
| thiago_home | if you need it, get the sources and build it | 10:24 |
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| tmzt | anttu: ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool find telnet under there | 10:25 |
| tmzt | get the package and ar x it, then extract data.tar.gz to a directory | 10:25 |
| tmzt | you'll find your telnet under there | 10:26 |
| tmzt | if it works with the meego libs, can't guarantee that | 10:26 |
| thiago_home | which is why I said a fedora rpm is more likely to work | 10:26 |
| thiago_home | both actions aren't recommended | 10:26 |
| brokendatapoint | the Meego chroot archive, if i drop that ontop of a vanilla Debian Lenny server with full dev libs, should that work? | 10:27 |
| thiago_home | it's likely to break left and right | 10:28 |
| thiago_home | you really want to keep it chroot'ed | 10:28 |
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| brokendatapoint | thiago_home: k, thinking, might give that nvidia GL thing a go | 10:30 |
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| brokendatapoint | as a complete newb to development, will there be a steep learning curve using QT Creator? | 10:31 |
| thiago_home | are you familiar with C++? | 10:32 |
| brokendatapoint | no | 10:33 |
| thiago_home | no programming experience at all? | 10:33 |
| brokendatapoint | only web development... sigh | 10:34 |
| thiago_home | well, functional and object-oriented programming will be something you have to learn | 10:34 |
| thiago_home | Qt Creator is a tool only -- Qt is the library, and C++ is the language | 10:34 |
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| gour | i'm thinking about meego development, but not by using C++ | 10:35 |
| brokendatapoint | hmm, gathered that | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | so there will be a learning curve. The question is only if it's steeper than other alternatives. | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | OTOH, we're also readying a declarative programming alternative, which should be more familiar to you | 10:35 |
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| gour | what are alternatives? | 10:35 |
| brokendatapoint | i want to be ale to make some applications, integrate xml feeds into mapping apps etc | 10:35 |
| brokendatapoint | able* | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | Qt is the only option in MeeGo API. | 10:35 |
| thiago_home | that said, MeeGo is X11, so if you find something else that pleases you, you can use it. | 10:36 |
| brokendatapoint | k | 10:36 |
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| digitalsurgeon | is it a good idea to package a lib and the app in same deb pacakge ? | 10:43 |
| digitalsurgeon | or do linux ppl package libs and the app seperately ? | 10:43 |
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| thiago_home | I don't know about deb packages | 10:44 |
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| gour | in general, i'd separate the two | 10:44 |
| thiago_home | but I'd expect that, if the lib is useful for more than one app, it should be in a separate package of its own | 10:44 |
| gour | if the lib has general use | 10:44 |
| thiago_home | if it's an app-specific lib, then it's packaged together with the app | 10:45 |
| Tina- | i run my gentoo apps in a chroot works fine with x11 ^.^ | 10:45 |
| Tina- | i has firefox + java that way :) | 10:45 |
| gour | any news about meego under VM (vbox) ? | 10:45 |
| thiago_home | gour: if your VM has the ability to run the binaries, it should work | 10:46 |
| digitalsurgeon | the lib is qtflickr, i did a search in the n900 appmanager and couldn't find it | 10:46 |
| thiago_home | that includes SSSE3 and OpenGL | 10:46 |
| gour | thiago_home: moblin worked, but no luck with meego | 10:47 |
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| gour | thiago_home: afaik, ssse3 & opengl were mobling reqs as well... | 10:47 |
| thiago_home | if you've got those in your VM, it should work | 10:48 |
| RST38h | Anyone knows how I can use textures in GLES? | 10:50 |
| gour | thiago_home: heh, check http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_VirtualBox page & discussion | 10:50 |
| RST38h | The approach shown in the examples on the web does not work | 10:51 |
| brokendatapoint | thiago_home: you are Thiago Macieira from QT? | 10:51 |
| thiago_home | brokendatapoint: Qt, yes | 10:51 |
| brokendatapoint | ah cool, just reading the Meego Planet blog... | 10:51 |
| brokendatapoint | ah sorry, Qt | 10:51 |
| brokendatapoint | gour: good link, thanks | 10:52 |
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| anttu | brokendatapoint, thiago_home: i installed fedora 13 repository stuff to my meego laptop | 10:59 |
| anttu | then just yum installed putty and it works great! | 10:59 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: congrats! admire your tenacity | 11:00 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: what hardware are you using for your Meego? | 11:01 |
| anttu | telnet installed and works this way too | 11:01 |
| anttu | acer aspire one | 11:01 |
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| anttu | dual boot with windows 7 and meego works ok | 11:02 |
| brokendatapoint | cool, so what do/are you doing with Meego? | 11:02 |
| anttu | testing :D | 11:02 |
| brokendatapoint | i run a triple boot WinXP/Debian/FreeBSD but with ATI/Nvidia gear ... need to sort a Virtualbox type solution or else buy an older Intel Core 2 system | 11:03 |
| anttu | i am into mobile broadband , so just wanted to see if i can get a usb 3g dongle to work on it | 11:03 |
| brokendatapoint | anttu: 8-) | 11:03 |
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| anttu | connection manager does not quite work but i could get 3g-connected with pon | 11:04 |
| brokendatapoint | k | 11:04 |
| anttu | it is described here, but unfortunately in finnish only | 11:04 |
| anttu | http://www.siptune.net/siptune.net/tiki-index.php?page=MeeGo&highlight=meego | 11:04 |
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| anttu | there is also a trick for dual boot | 11:05 |
| anttu | it used extlinux, not grub | 11:06 |
| digitalsurgeon | how can i get rid of this error: Packaging Error: Command 'dh_shlibdeps' failed. Output was: c:\nokiaqtsdk\maemo\4.6.2\madbin\dpkg-shlibdeps: failure: couldn't find library libqtflickr.so.0 needed by debian/easywallpapers/usr/local/bin/EasyWallpapers (its RPATH is 'C:/usr/lib'). Note: libraries are not searched in other binary packages that do not have any shlibs or symbols file. To help dpkg-shlibdeps find private libraries, you might need to set LD_LIB | 11:06 |
| thiago_home | digitalsurgeon: you're asking the wrong channel | 11:06 |
| digitalsurgeon | qt ? | 11:06 |
| thiago_home | no | 11:06 |
| thiago_home | try #maemo | 11:06 |
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| digitalsurgeon | what about the nokia qt sdk, is #maemo also the correct place to ask those q's ? | 11:08 |
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| thiago_home | maybe, otherwise try finding an SDK channel | 11:08 |
| thiago_home | this here is not it and neither is #qt | 11:08 |
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| fqh | Has anyone ever installed meego in vmware? It's dead when I set the user and password for it, and can't boot it. | 11:10 |
| brokendatapoint | is there any chance that Meego wil support Nvidia GPUs? | 11:12 |
| thiago_home | brokendatapoint: yes | 11:14 |
| thiago_home | find someone to make that work | 11:14 |
| thiago_home | for example, I know of one company that is very interested in NVidia GPUs working | 11:14 |
| thiago_home | they're called NVidia :-) | 11:14 |
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| brokendatapoint | thiago_home: hahahaha | 11:15 |
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| thiago_home | you just need to convince them to do some work | 11:16 |
| thiago_home | or anyone who is going to ship a device with an NVidia GPU | 11:16 |
| brokendatapoint | thiago_home: i'll have a crack then... | 11:16 |
| gour | i'd only want to have meego running under VM - it would provide nice dev environment | 11:23 |
| * thiago_home wants a non-VM dev environment | 11:24 | |
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| thiago_home | developing inside a VM is slow | 11:24 |
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| gour | not if you have quick machine...and definetely quickwer than under average netbook machine | 11:26 |
| thiago_home | a VM is slower than outsid eit | 11:27 |
| thiago_home | therefore, I want to develop outside it | 11:27 |
| gour | does emulator provide the same experience as when runninng an app natively? | 11:28 |
| gour | i got a feeling that running sdk & emnulator is much slower than it was my experience running moblin under vbox | 11:29 |
| thiago_home | emulator vs device? | 11:30 |
| thiago_home | I don't know, I'd expect mostly the same experience | 11:30 |
| thiago_home | but personally I'd never settle for emulator only -- I'd need to test on device. | 11:31 |
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| gour | that's why i think that running under VM provided quite good experience when lacking real device...much better than sdk's emulator | 11:32 |
| thiago_home | emulator != simulator | 11:34 |
| thiago_home | simulator is for very quick code-and-test cycles | 11:34 |
| thiago_home | but given the option, I'd skip the emulator and go from simulator to device | 11:34 |
| thiago_home | in the absence of a device, emulators will have to do | 11:35 |
| gour | i'm not sure how do you call sdk's startmeego, but it's slow...and i'm sure that running meego under VM would be way quicker | 11:35 |
| gour | otherwise, i'm not sure how is one supposed to develop? on native device only? | 11:35 |
| thiago_home | develop on your workstation/laptop, build native code and run on the simulator | 11:36 |
| thiago_home | then when you're satisfied, cross-compile for the device and deploy there | 11:36 |
| thiago_home | if the build+deploy cycle is close to local builds and as easy to use, then go for device straight on | 11:37 |
| gour | having meego under VM would enable one to merge 1st two steps into one | 11:38 |
| thiago_home | with Qt Creator and in the absence of a compile farm, it should be | 11:38 |
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| thiago_home | I do have a compile farm | 11:38 |
| thiago_home | I don't want to build in a VM because it's slow | 11:38 |
| brokendatapoint | thiago_home: so it would be possible to develop using Qt Creator on a full specced Linux then port an app to the Meego simluator? | 11:39 |
| gour | well, i've 8G/i7, and can dedicate enough resources to VM not to be slow...much quicker than testing with simulator | 11:39 |
| thiago_home | you shouldn't need to port | 11:39 |
| thiago_home | it should just run on the simulator | 11:39 |
| thiago_home | simulator = native code, pretending to be the device | 11:39 |
| brokendatapoint | sorry, wrong word ... transfer | 11:40 |
| thiago_home | emulator = running cross-compiled code, on a device sysroot | 11:40 |
| thiago_home | so, of course that the simulator will give you worse experience in terms of edge cases | 11:40 |
| RST38h | Ah, the ages old argument... | 11:40 |
| gour | otoh, not forget i'm not speaking about writing C++...for haskell, i only need ghc & qthaskell which was running nicely under moblin | 11:40 |
| lbt | anyone meeting up in Helsinki tonight? http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Eerikinkatu+24,%20Helsinki at about 6pm local time | 11:40 |
| thiago_home | the idea is just to be for quick development | 11:41 |
| RST38h | Neither emulator nor simulator is very helpful for development though | 11:41 |
| thiago_home | lbt: I'll look you up when I'm next in Helsinki :-) | 11:41 |
| gour | in any case, not being able to run meego under VM is step backwards from moblin | 11:41 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: they are helpful. Maybe not for everyone, but they have their use-cases. | 11:41 |
| lbt | thiago_home: 1 night in 14 sadly :) | 11:41 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: and of course they don't replace on-device testing. | 11:41 |
| thiago_home | lbt: where are you based mostly? | 11:42 |
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| lbt | Reading, UK | 11:42 |
| lbt | near Newbury (Vodafone HQ) | 11:43 |
| * thiago_home will be in the UK in September | 11:43 | |
| thiago_home | Nokia Developer Summit | 11:43 |
| lbt | come over :) | 11:44 |
| timeless | hrm, will nokia pay for nokians to go? | 11:44 |
| thiago_home | timeless: to NDS? | 11:44 |
| timeless | sure | 11:44 |
| thiago_home | if you want to go somewhere, ask to go to Qt Dev Days | 11:44 |
| thiago_home | it's a bigger event, with more presentations | 11:44 |
| timeless | presentations aren't interesting | 11:45 |
| timeless | people are interesting | 11:45 |
| thiago_home | well, you choose | 11:45 |
| timeless | i'll be on the 'isles for about a month sometime around late september, i believe | 11:45 |
| thiago_home | I'm probably going to be in all 4 events | 11:45 |
| thiago_home | the only one I'm skipping is Symbian Expo & Exchange | 11:46 |
| timeless | who's covering you? | 11:46 |
| thiago_home | Qt | 11:46 |
| thiago_home | but that's because I'm going to be presenting in all 4 events | 11:46 |
| thiago_home | or, rather, I know I will be presenting in 3 | 11:47 |
| gour | topics? | 11:47 |
| thiago_home | but I am part of the organisation in MeeGo conf. | 11:47 |
| timeless | links? | 11:47 |
| thiago_home | the agenda isn't published yet | 11:48 |
| thiago_home | we're going to do it this week hopefully | 11:49 |
| thiago_home | for Dev Days. For NDS they are preparing separate native (Qt), web and design tracks | 11:49 |
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| thiago_home | for NDS I'll present a Qt overview (introductory level) | 11:51 |
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| thiago_home | for Dev Days, I'll talk about Qt on MeeGo | 11:51 |
| gour | are all qt-supported languages welcome for meego development? | 11:52 |
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| lbt | gour: not out-of-the box | 11:54 |
| lbt | but they may be via community support | 11:54 |
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| gour | lbt: if i want to use e.g. qthaskell, it means qt will be there, i've to provide for qthaskell bindings only, right? | 11:55 |
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| lbt | and haskell | 11:55 |
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| lbt | I don't think that's in core MeeGo :) | 11:56 |
| gour | of course, haskell or ghc runtime | 11:57 |
| timeless | is there QtLogo? | 11:57 |
| RST38h | Who knows, it may well happen that Nokia decides on haskell as the language for MeeGo scripting | 11:57 |
| lbt | well, best to be clear | 11:57 |
| * lbt is pushing erlang at the minute | 11:57 | |
| RST38h | And then we will all be writing in haskell while python people bitch at tmo for being abandined | 11:58 |
| gour | RST38h: too good to be true...otoh, haskell is not, imho, for scripting only ;) | 11:58 |
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| gour | in any case, considering we do not want to play with apple, nor like java (which rules out android), meego looks as the only mobile platform forth to develop for | 12:01 |
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| amol12 | hi all , i have created netbook kvm image.but after running #kvm -m 512 -boot c -hda meego-1.0.80-meego-preview-netbook-core-201006081824-raw/meego-1.0.80-meego-preview-netbook-core-201006081824-sda.raw i am not getting any GUI | 12:05 |
| amol12 | or meego OS | 12:06 |
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