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| freemangordon_ | jonwil: we have a channel for that purpose :) | 14:11 |
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| freemangordon_ | lets use it, what we say may be of interest to somebody else, in theory ;) | 14:12 |
| freemangordon_ | jonwil: now you have your n900 back in a working condition, what about continuing connui REing? | 14:12 |
| jonwil | So what about this "fremantle-GTK2 project" mentioned by Android_808 on t.m.o? | 14:13 |
| freemangordon_ | jonwil: this is what all talk on ##ftpf-private is about | 14:14 |
| jonwil | So basically "fremantle-GTK2" is this Devuan derivative people are now calling Maemo7? | 14:15 |
| freemangordon_ | jonwil: later on it evovled in what we named maemo-leste a couple of days ago | 14:15 |
| freemangordon_ | yes | 14:15 |
| jonwil | Ok. | 14:15 |
| jonwil | Sounds like there isn't anything there that should be in CSSU then | 14:16 |
| freemangordon_ | jonwil: keep in mind fremantle-gtk2 is now more the active repo, https://github.com/maemo-leste is the one we're going to use from now on | 14:17 |
| freemangordon_ | jonwil: not really | 14:17 |
| jonwil | Ok. | 14:17 |
| freemangordon_ | so far I first put REed stuff in cssu repo | 14:17 |
| jonwil | Was it you who mentioned someone to talk to re CSSU-testing? | 14:17 |
| freemangordon_ | yes | 14:17 |
| freemangordon_ | merlin1991 and Ilew | 14:17 |
| jonwil | I got just about every package into CSSU-devel that should be there. vte and tracker gave me an error "Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.35.0 or later" even though I have intltool 0.35.0-3 installed and so I couldn't put those in cssu-devel | 14:19 |
| jonwil | feedservice-plugin-fb-common was giving some errors about makefile.ini being missing (so its either not generating makefile.in when it should be or there is some step I missed to compile it) | 14:20 |
| jonwil | sharing-service-facebook depends on feedservice-plugin-fb-common so I cant compile that | 14:20 |
| freemangordon_ | yes, I read your TMO posr | 14:20 |
| freemangordon_ | *post | 14:20 |
| jonwil | Any ideas on your end how to solve the errors for any of those packages? | 14:21 |
| freemangordon_ | facebook stuff is doomed anyways (all maemo facebook application admins/devs had their facebook developer account blocked) | 14:21 |
| jonwil | So basically the facebook API keys and other things used in the stock Maemo bits and in the RE'd clones are no longer functional? | 14:22 |
| freemangordon_ | they are, but we can't certify with facebook | 14:22 |
| jonwil | Ok so that covers those 2 packages. Any ideas about the other packages? | 14:23 |
| freemangordon_ | because no functional user to perform that certification | 14:24 |
| jonwil | For hildon-input-method-plugins we probably need a package similar in nature to libconnui-dev that installs various library bits in the SDK environment | 14:24 |
| jonwil | to allow that to compile easily | 14:25 |
| freemangordon_ | jonwil: do you have CSSU repos enabled in ScratchBox you try to compile those? | 14:25 |
| jonwil | I do have cssu-devel enabled | 14:25 |
| freemangordon_ | no idea then, maybe ./autogen.sh or autoreconf -v -f -i | 14:26 |
| jonwil | Wait I have cssu-testing enabled, not cssu-devel | 14:27 |
| freemangordon_ | should be ok | 14:27 |
| freemangordon_ | you'd better not enable -devel repo | 14:27 |
| freemangordon_ | did you perform apt-get upgrade? | 14:27 |
| jonwil | Let me check | 14:27 |
| freemangordon_ | well, update/upgrade | 14:28 |
| jonwil | its installing a whole bunch of packages in my SDK VM | 14:29 |
| jonwil | updates to stuff mostly | 14:29 |
| freemangordon_ | makes sense | 14:29 |
| freemangordon_ | if stuff == maemo cssu packages | 14:30 |
| jonwil | Yes | 14:30 |
| * freemangordon_ is afk | 14:30 | |
| jonwil | Ok. | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wish somebody had tried a single time to build a normal stock-alike maemo from scratch | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | don't know if everybody thinks that's too easy and boring, or just it's considered too complex | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway in a few weeks we will have Neo900-devel board and I need developers to demonstrate maemo-proper on those, incl installing apps from maemo-extras repos | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I have to hire Carsten Munk for that, after all he did it like 8 years ago already | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://omappedia.org/wiki/Maemo_Getting_Started#Beagle | 15:23 |
| sicelo | he's with jolla? | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to his linkedin no more | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless he's a subcontractor to Jolla | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or jolla changed name | 15:28 |
| sicelo | alright | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's quite unfortunate how things moved from http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 to new kernel (orphaning closed drivers ABI compatibility) to devuan to armhf (orphaning all existing apps binaries) - and still the Devuan key folks think they support Neo900 | 15:32 |
| bencoh | I don't think it's the proper channel to discuss that, though | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh? | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, indeed. maemo orphaned neo900, so I probably should ask on #neo900 if there's anybody willing to port maemo to that device | 15:34 |
| bencoh | it's somewhat related, but still should go to #neo900 or #maemo :) | 15:34 |
| sicelo | all of what is being done still supports N900 well enough, and probably Neo even better | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aha | 15:35 |
| sicelo | at least as far as i understand | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's exactly the problem | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | everybody incl jaromil thinks that | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's not true | 15:37 |
| sicelo | #neo900 then ... i don't want to be OT here :-) | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I don't have any maemo devels there | 15:38 |
| sicelo | #maemo then, although i think this has been discussed there enough too | 15:39 |
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| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer05: supporting fremantle userspace, at least partially is a matter of setting up armel build aling armhf | 16:54 |
| freemangordon_ | *alog | 16:54 |
| freemangordon_ | aaah | 16:54 |
| freemangordon_ | *along | 16:54 |
| jonwil | bah, I have no idea why connui-statusbar-cellular causes hildon-status-menu to crash " | 17:22 |
| jonwil | and I cant seem to get hildon-status-menu into GDB to debug it since it uses maemo-launcher or whatever it is | 17:23 |
| freemangordon_ | just attach gdb to it | 17:28 |
| freemangordon_ | there are 2 processes with same name, attach to the one with higher pid | 17:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: you need to either attach GDB after starting the process, or you need to "patch" maemo-launcher | 17:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | acme-app-xxx is a symlink to a launcher stub that sends a dbus msg to another maemo-launcher persistent process (daemon?) that forks to launce the real acme-app-xxx.launch binary. Or somesuch | 17:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually e.g. "startup-pin-query -> maemo-invoker" and that one calls maemo-launcher (via dbus?) | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so maemo.invoker when caled with $0 startup-pin-query will tell maemo-laincher to execute (fork) /usr/bin/startup-pin-query.launch | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you'd need to "wrap" /usr/bin/maemo-launcher so it runs under GDB - unless there is a smarter method | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://paste.opensuse.org/60211476 | 17:48 |
| jonwil | My short term goals are to 1.Continue to reverse engineer things (including getting connui-cellular working) 2.Providing info to the guys doing the devuan work where I can provide that info 3.Look into documenting the things connected to the wlan subsystem so we know what we need to do to replace it | 18:01 |
| jonwil | Oooh good, it looks like I can stop hildon-status-menu from running without the system rebooting and then I can start it whenever I want manually | 18:11 |
| jonwil | Of course what happens is that when maemo-launcher gets told to start a new program it forks itself | 18:12 |
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