| merlin1991 | Thats the thing there are a few gpl bits in the nokia repo that was shut down not ao long ago | 00:06 |
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| jurov | and why nobody added them to maemo repo? | 00:12 |
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| merlin1991 | because you need to go through them one by one check the license and see if you can add them ... | 00:28 |
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| ilon | merlin1991: I understand that this could be a bit of a headache. | 08:11 |
| ilon | merlin1991: I just got the impression that it should "just work" to follow the n900 reflash guide + community ssu guide | 08:12 |
| ilon | merlin1991: Is there a way I could help with this for the packages i encounter that are missing? | 08:21 |
| ilon | For example, libwildmidi is provided under he LGPL 3: http://www.mindwerks.net/projects/wildmidi/ | 08:23 |
| ilon | Hmm, seems like the 0.2.2-2 are actually provided under the GPL 2 | 08:32 |
| ilon | And only on v 0.2.3 they switched to LGPL 3 | 08:34 |
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| ilon | jurov / merlin1991: I updated the Installation FAQ for now: https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ but would really like to help getting this in to the repository, since my belief is that you should not have to use the terminal during the install process (for a fresh install) | 08:56 |
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| ilon | merlin1991: Is there anything I can do to help with this matter? | 20:31 |
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| ilon | merlin1991: libwildmidi0 is the only missing piece for this to work, which are not already included in the repository | 20:32 |
| bencoh | ilon: are you talking about stock->cssu ? | 20:41 |
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| jurov | bencoh, yes stock->cssu | 21:16 |
| Sicelo | what are you doing ilon that needs libwildmidi0? | 21:20 |
| Sicelo | in any case, libwildmidi0 *does* exist in repos (at least according to apt-cache). | 21:21 |
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| ilon | Sicelo: doing fresh flash / install of n900, following the guide to install cssu | 21:40 |
| ilon | Sicelo: Yes, it does exist in the repositories, not in the ones mentioned in the wiki tho | 21:44 |
| ilon | It did exist in the nokia repo | 21:45 |
| Sicelo | and there are mirrors of those ... | 21:45 |
| ilon | sure is | 21:45 |
| ilon | but it still makes it impossible to follow the guide and get a working cssu install | 21:45 |
| ilon | should this be the case? | 21:45 |
| Sicelo | :) | 21:46 |
| ilon | I don't really get this, is it not in the interest of the community to have a working howto on how to install cssu? | 21:46 |
| ilon | because since I started to raise this, the response I've got are kind of defensive | 21:47 |
| jurov | i ran into exactly same problem | 21:49 |
| ilon | Sicelo: and to answer your original question, what I try to do is: Installing cssu on a newly reflashed N900. And its gstreamer depends on it. | 21:49 |
| jurov | independently | 21:50 |
| ilon | Sicelo: this is a very real problem for anyone trying to do a fresh install of cssu as of today. | 21:50 |
| bencoh | ilon: it is .... just a manpower issue :) | 21:50 |
| ilon | Sicelo: I could do it a second time around to verify, but I really doubt it would give another result | 21:51 |
| Sicelo | maybe "we" were misunderstanding you. i would say most understood your statements to say 'libwildmidi0 doesn't exist (anywhere), or missing' when actually the problem was not repos (which is "expected" to raise problem with not only libwildmidi0 but other packages) | 21:51 |
| bencoh | merlin1991: I guess we should build it from source ? | 21:51 |
| bencoh | (libwildmidi) | 21:51 |
| Sicelo | s/not repos/repos/ | 21:51 |
| infobot | Sicelo meant: maybe "we" were misunderstanding you. i would say most understood your statements to say 'libwildmidi0 doesn't exist (anywhere), or missing' when actually the problem was repos (which is "expected" to raise problem with not only libwildmidi0 but other pac... | 21:51 |
| ilon | bencoh: Well, thats why I ask how i could help out best | 21:51 |
| ilon | 19:33:55 < ilon> merlin1991: Is there anything I can do to help with this matter? | 21:51 |
| bencoh | oh, right :-) | 21:52 |
| ilon | :P | 21:52 |
| ilon | and, its already built once | 21:52 |
| ilon | and it does exist in the SDK repo | 21:52 |
| bencoh | same version ? | 21:52 |
| ilon | yes | 21:52 |
| bencoh | indeed | 21:52 |
| ilon | and that exact version is listed as a depencendy for gstreamer | 21:52 |
| bencoh | we just need to rebuild from source and push it to some repo then | 21:53 |
| ilon | this might be silly but, does it need to be rebuilt? | 21:53 |
| bencoh | not sure, that's why I asked merlin | 21:53 |
| ilon | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libwildmidi0/0.2.2-2maemo1/ | 21:53 |
| ilon | just installing that one manually works like a charm | 21:53 |
| ilon | and its the same version and target that are listed as dep on libgstreamer | 21:54 |
| ilon | err, -lib | 21:54 |
| bencoh | but we might as well start "clean" anyway for an "opensource" drop-in replacement :) | 21:54 |
| ilon | it is open source. | 21:54 |
| bencoh | yeah I mean, if we are to have a repos with all the opensource bits that were in the nokia repos | 21:55 |
| bencoh | fmg/merlin were talking about that at some point (but again, manpower, time, ...) | 21:55 |
| ilon | yes | 21:55 |
| ilon | "Is there a way I could help with this for the packages i encounter that are missing?" | 21:55 |
| ilon | me yesterday | 21:55 |
| ilon | I dont have much time | 21:55 |
| Sicelo | there shouldn't be any if you add the new repo? | 21:56 |
| ilon | but I do get really annoyed by this kind of issues :P | 21:56 |
| ilon | Sicelo: which repo? | 21:56 |
| Sicelo | "nokia" repos... the mirrors? | 21:56 |
| bencoh | you have a point though ... comparing sdk/free and nokia's repositories is probably a quick&efficient way of doing it | 21:56 |
| bencoh | at least for most packages | 21:56 |
| Sicelo | muarf for example? | 21:56 |
| ilon | Sicelo: no, that would work, but they live on lended time | 21:56 |
| ilon | since as soon as nokia / microsoft are starting to send out letters to the owners on those, they would likely go down | 21:57 |
| bencoh | I hope I'll be able to keep it alive (at least as long as I have my n900 ... and I hope it wont die on me anytime soon :-) | 21:57 |
| Sicelo | :) | 21:57 |
| bencoh | (the mirror) | 21:57 |
| ilon | bencoh: well, I have good faith in everyone involved, but money usually talks | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | at that time, not only libwildmidi0 will matter, but a lot of the really closed source stuff. | 21:58 |
| Sicelo | :) | 21:58 |
| ilon | and when big corp start to sending out threats people usually don't dare to take the fight | 21:58 |
| bencoh | Sicelo: actually there are two aspects here | 21:58 |
| ilon | Sicelo: exactly | 21:58 |
| bencoh | keeping a copy of the original repo "because there is always some special case when you need it" | 21:59 |
| bencoh | and "being able to upgrade from stock" | 21:59 |
| bencoh | (remove the doublequotes in the second line) | 21:59 |
| ilon | either way, my suggestion would be: do as discussed, start a new repo with the intent to push all those packages that were in the original nokia repo if the license of each package allows it | 21:59 |
| bencoh | +1 :) | 21:59 |
| ilon | yeah, and my suggestion would be the third | 22:00 |
| ilon | but fixing the repos / guides to be able to install from stock would be first priority imho | 22:00 |
| ilon | I would volunteer to actually take a list of all libs and go through them one by one, find source and license | 22:01 |
| bencoh | <3 | 22:01 |
| ilon | I can't promise to build them, but I can atleast dig up source and license for the "easy ones" | 22:01 |
| ilon | that would probably mean the majority of them | 22:01 |
| ilon | bencoh: you said you had a mirror of the original repo? Would you have the time to actually do a diff against community repo? | 22:02 |
| jurov | it was also mentioned that cssu doesn't really beed gstreamer-plugins-bad dependency | 22:02 |
| jurov | so quickest fix would be to remove it, perhaps | 22:03 |
| ilon | jurov: then remove it, or add the libwildmidi0 to the repo | 22:03 |
| ilon | but having broken dependencies is bad, really bad | 22:03 |
| bencoh | ilon: to do what ? | 22:03 |
| ilon | it prevents everyone not tech (linux/debian) savvy to install cssu | 22:03 |
| bencoh | a diff against what ? | 22:03 |
| ilon | bencoh: against the packages provided in the community repos | 22:04 |
| ilon | then put it up somewhere | 22:04 |
| ilon | should be rather trivial thing to do I think | 22:05 |
| bencoh | with some awk-fu, maybe ... I cant use that kind of black magic though ;) | 22:06 |
| ilon | bencoh: well, errr. | 22:06 |
| bencoh | the Packages file format is pretty awful for parsing iirc | 22:06 |
| ilon | lemme think a second. | 22:06 |
| ilon | bencoh: could you link me the repo please? private if needed | 22:07 |
| bencoh | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1467839 | 22:07 |
| ilon | thanks | 22:08 |
| bencoh | we could grep ^Package: |sort and compare, as a first step | 22:10 |
| ilon | need version as well | 22:14 |
| ilon | I'll fix it :) | 22:14 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: ping | 23:06 |
| freemangordon | ilon: I'll pester merlin1991, to get the issue solved | 23:07 |
| freemangordon | he's the only one which can push stuff in CSSU repos | 23:08 |
| freemangordon | at least officialy | 23:08 |
| ilon | freemangordon: been there, done that. | 23:09 |
| freemangordon | ilon: hmm? elaborate please | 23:17 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: hi! | 23:17 |
| Pali | freemangordon: hi, sry but I do not have time right now | 23:17 |
| freemangordon | Pali: anyway, I was just saying hi :) | 23:18 |
| bencoh | looks like we're scaring him :) | 23:18 |
| freemangordon | who, Pali? meh, even the guys on LKML can't scary him :D | 23:19 |
| bencoh | ^^ | 23:20 |
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| ilon | freemangordon: i just poked him yesterday about it | 23:37 |
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