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| ryukafalz | Hey - as someone who does not yet own an N900 (but would like to)... are security updates typically made available for preinstalled software through CSSU? | 09:51 |
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| ryukafalz | Just curious how maintained it is these days | 09:51 |
| freemangordon | ryukafalz: see the changelog of yesterday's update | 09:53 |
| ryukafalz | Oh, whoops, how did I miss that on the wiki page... awesome :) | 09:54 |
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| kerio | ryukafalz: in the limits of what a handful of people can do | 10:09 |
| ryukafalz | understandable | 10:09 |
| kerio | also, expect libraries to be at debian oldoldstable releases | 10:10 |
| ryukafalz | ah, heh | 10:10 |
| kerio | because ABI | 10:10 |
| ryukafalz | it looks like the kernel is pre-3.0 as well, proprietary drivers? | 10:10 |
| kerio | eyup | 10:11 |
| kerio | i think the main problem is the 3d graphics | 10:11 |
| ryukafalz | dang ODMs :( | 10:11 |
| kerio | afaik, both Pali and freemangordon got 3.x to run | 10:11 |
| kerio | but upgrading the kernel like that is beyond the scope of CSSU | 10:11 |
| ryukafalz | yeah | 10:12 |
| ryukafalz | hwaccel I think I could live without if the DE were lightweight enough | 10:12 |
| kerio | hildon-desktop is a compositing wm | 10:12 |
| ryukafalz | ah, dang | 10:12 |
| ryukafalz | surely one could run another wm though? | 10:13 |
| kerio | sure | 10:13 |
| kerio | but you lose in UX | 10:13 |
| ryukafalz | yeah | 10:13 |
| kerio | hildon-desktop is REALLY good | 10:13 |
| ryukafalz | I suppose getting hardware accel would require reverse engineering the binary drivers? | 10:14 |
| freemangordon | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1459970&postcount=142 | 10:15 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 10:15 |
| ryukafalz | that ain't no N900 :P | 10:15 |
| ryukafalz | Neo900 looks awesome though | 10:15 |
| ryukafalz | just a *bit* out of my price range | 10:15 |
| freemangordon | ryukafalz: this *IS* N900 | 10:16 |
| ryukafalz | ...oh, wait what? | 10:16 |
| kerio | also notice the striked sim card icon | 10:16 |
| ryukafalz | I saw the thread, but now I see the device name | 10:16 |
| ryukafalz | heh | 10:16 |
| freemangordon | kerio: that's because there is no SIMcard :) | 10:16 |
| kerio | k | 10:16 |
| kerio | so does everything work | 10:16 |
| freemangordon | no | 10:16 |
| freemangordon | audio, cameras and some other things are broken | 10:17 |
| freemangordon | oh, and upstreap removed DSP driver | 10:17 |
| freemangordon | *upstream | 10:17 |
| kerio | rip dsp | 10:18 |
| freemangordon | kerio: but things are getting better | 10:18 |
| freemangordon | no, why RIP it, the source code is still there | 10:18 |
| kerio | ryukafalz: also don't expect a modern gecko | 10:18 |
| ryukafalz | wasn't counting on it heh | 10:18 |
| kerio | the default browser is old, and there's at most a firefox... 17? | 10:18 |
| freemangordon | 24 | 10:19 |
| freemangordon | or 23 | 10:19 |
| kerio | k | 10:19 |
| ryukafalz | I don't even touch web browsers most of the time on my phone tbh | 10:19 |
| kerio | it's not that bad, it's got websockets | 10:19 |
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| ryukafalz | more important is messaging, and maemo is wonderful for that :) | 10:19 |
| freemangordon | well, microb is not that bad, just don;t feed him with those new heavy sites my desktop struggles with | 10:20 |
| kerio | you really need a better desktop, fmg | 10:20 |
| kerio | buy a mac! | 10:20 |
| kerio | they're pretty | 10:20 |
| freemangordon | you mad bro? | 10:20 |
| freemangordon | what's next, iPhone? | 10:20 |
| * ryukafalz uses a mac for work... they're pretty but lacking in functionality :P | 10:20 | |
| kerio | nah, macs are good | 10:20 |
| kerio | are they | 10:20 |
| freemangordon | anyway, back to BB | 10:21 |
| ryukafalz | I miss the niceties of my Linux desktops, e.g. easily switching playing audio streams between output devices | 10:21 |
| ryukafalz | especially when I'm on a thunderbolt display and I would really rather that music play out of my headphones rather than the display speakers | 10:21 |
| ryukafalz | I'm sure there are third-party applications that would do that for me, but it Just Works™ on Linux w/ PulseAudio | 10:23 |
| kerio | lol pulseaudio | 10:23 |
| kerio | freemangordon: lol | 10:23 |
| kerio | lol! | 10:23 |
| ryukafalz | hey it's not nearly as buggy as it used to be :P | 10:23 |
| merlin1991 | yeah but pulse on maemo has been a very special friend to us ;) | 10:24 |
| freemangordon | and it still is | 10:24 |
| ryukafalz | ooh boy heh | 10:25 |
| freemangordon | the problem is there are 3 closed blobs made by Nokia | 10:25 |
| ryukafalz | =/ | 10:26 |
| ryukafalz | are those pulseaudio modules? | 10:26 |
| freemangordon | 2 of them felt down in the RE battle, but the most important one still stands (the voice module) | 10:26 |
| ryukafalz | voice module? what's that responsible for? | 10:26 |
| ryukafalz | (don't say voice :P) | 10:27 |
| freemangordon | yes, voice :P | 10:27 |
| freemangordon | the telephony stuff (aec etc) | 10:27 |
| ryukafalz | ah, okay | 10:27 |
| ryukafalz | recent versions of pulse have an aec module from webrtc - would it be possible to replace nokia's blob with other existing modules? | 10:28 |
| freemangordon | ryukafalz: well, and how you gonna parametrize it? | 10:29 |
| freemangordon | you know those algos need to be fed with some data for the physical characteristics of the device. afaik | 10:31 |
| ryukafalz | oh, hmm | 10:31 |
| freemangordon | an ex-nokia used to work wth that PA stuff said that even with the labs they had in Nokia, it was exptremely hard to fine-tune the parameters | 10:32 |
| ryukafalz | found this on the pulseaudio wiki for the echo cancel module... very encouraging :P - " | 10:32 |
| ryukafalz | Parameters for the AEC engine (to be documented) | 10:32 |
| freemangordon | see | 10:32 |
| ryukafalz | yeah | 10:32 |
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| neal | I just reflashed (the eMMC and PR1.3). | 15:10 |
| neal | I tried to install css-thumb | 15:10 |
| neal | but there are errors | 15:11 |
| neal | In application manager, I have pending updates | 15:11 |
| neal | e.g., libqtm-bearer 1.0.02-maemo4+0m5+0ccsu1+thumb1 | 15:11 |
| neal | But it's not installable | 15:12 |
| neal | it conflicts with libqt4-openql (4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5) | 15:12 |
| neal | The installation guide says to make sure "nokia and extras" are enabled. | 15:13 |
| neal | (https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb#Installation) | 15:13 |
| neal | But the nokia repos don't work | 15:13 |
| neal | perhaps that is the problem | 15:13 |
| neal | are there replacements? | 15:14 |
| neal | (Yes, I've searched) | 15:14 |
| bencoh | wait, what ? | 15:16 |
| bencoh | which repo ? | 15:16 |
| neal | bencoh, downloads.maemo.nokia.org/fremantle/ssu/apps | 15:18 |
| neal | bencoh, and downloads.maemo.nokia.org/fremantle/ssu/mr0 | 15:18 |
| neal | they both return an error for me | 15:18 |
| neal | s/org/com/ | 15:19 |
| bencoh | a gnupg/openpgp error (expired key) ? | 15:19 |
| neal | Accessing the URLs in my browser shows "Invalid URL" | 15:21 |
| neal | So I don't think that is the problem | 15:21 |
| bencoh | oh fuck | 15:24 |
| bencoh | apt-get says err 400 | 15:25 |
| neal | yes | 15:25 |
| bencoh | http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d422f4c29 | 15:27 |
| bencoh | now that sucks | 15:27 |
| neal | does cssu-thumb require just the extras repo or also the extras-devel repo? | 15:30 |
| bencoh | it most probably doesnt need extras-devel, as extras-devel is supposed to be a -devel repo :) | 15:34 |
| neal | I recall that no transitions from devel to testing to stable were occurring for a while | 15:35 |
| neal | I'm pleasantly surprised that things have improved | 15:36 |
| bencoh | extras and cssu are two different things | 15:37 |
| neal | I know. But the cssu install guide says to enable the extras repo | 15:38 |
| neal | so extras is apparently a dependency | 15:38 |
| bencoh | I wonder why ... kernel, maybe | 15:38 |
| bencoh | (you need a "recent" kernel with a workaround to the omap3/thumb2 bug) | 15:39 |
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| merlin1991 | cssu never needs extras | 16:07 |
| merlin1991 | but cssu-thumb requires cssu-testing, and cssu-testing in turn has some dependencies on stuff in the nokia repos | 16:08 |
| merlin1991 | neal: is the csu-testing catalogue enabled? | 16:09 |
| neal | merlin1991, yes | 16:15 |
| neal | Oh, no | 16:15 |
| neal | csu-testing is not enabled | 16:15 |
| neal | merlin1991, Are you aware of any mirrors of the nokia repos? | 16:15 |
| bencoh | I have a partial mirror (no ovi, no "regional" stuff) | 16:16 |
| neal | well if the noka repos contain hard dependencies then it makes sense to put up a mirror somewhere | 16:18 |
| neal | I doubt MS will send a take down | 16:18 |
| neal | given that Maemo is dead to them | 16:19 |
| neal | Is it no longer possible to edit the wiki? | 16:21 |
| neal | I logged into my old account, but I don't see a way to edit a page. | 16:21 |
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| merlin1991 | it should be possible | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | neal: which page are you trying to edit? | 16:40 |
| neal | merlin1991, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware | 16:50 |
| merlin1991 | hm seems like the page is locked | 16:51 |
| merlin1991 | I can't edit it either | 16:51 |
| stevenm | neal, are you perhaps putting links to firmware that work on it? :P | 16:54 |
| neal | stevenm, http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/index.html?hc_location=ufi | 16:57 |
| neal | you mean like that one? | 16:57 |
| stevenm | yeah | 16:58 |
| stevenm | i can't seem to find a download for PR 1.3.1 | 17:03 |
| stevenm | I'd like to find RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1.203.1_PR_203_ARM.bin | 17:06 |
| stevenm | the latest PR 1.3.1 UK release | 17:06 |
| * stevenm wonders if he has it at phone | 17:07 | |
| stevenm | *home | 17:07 |
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| stevenm | nope | 17:20 |
| stevenm | anyone have RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1.203.1_PR_203 ? | 17:21 |
| stevenm | neal, have found the 1.3.1 global release though - http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/tmp/bin/n900/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:23 |
| merlin1991 | 1.3.1 is not exactly necessary if you install cssu | 17:31 |
| merlin1991 | 1.3 -> 1.3.1 is just an update for ssl certs (digicert breach) and is also included in cssu | 17:31 |
| stevenm | fair enough | 17:31 |
| stevenm | i take it what's left of the maemo cssu team - are the only people working on hildon in the slightest these days? | 17:32 |
| stevenm | and even then not very much | 17:32 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | tbh we're almost as big as always | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | we always had 2-3 core devs | 17:33 |
| stevenm | i'd love to see another hildon/debian mobile OS - if not a rebirth of maemo on to other handsets | 17:33 |
| merlin1991 | thing is, libx and gtk2 | 17:33 |
| stevenm | right but MATE have managed to continue gnome2 - they have a migration path to gtk3 | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | there is cordia which ported hildon to gtk3, but we are still 100% dependent on X11 | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | which rules out ie mer as a base | 17:34 |
| merlin1991 | because that went the wayland path | 17:34 |
| stevenm | oooh didn't know about cordia | 17:34 |
| stevenm | *cough* *uck mer - sorry i'm not a fan | 17:35 |
| stevenm | i like my .deb base | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | tbh it's funky | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | .deb has the better tools on the repo side | 17:35 |
| merlin1991 | .rpm has the better tools for packaging / building | 17:35 |
| stevenm | and working with the linux foundation / intel - hasn't exactly bore much fruit, two dead projects and counting | 17:36 |
| stevenm | https://github.com/Cordia = cordia? | 17:36 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 17:36 |
| merlin1991 | also http://cordiahd.org/ | 17:36 |
| stevenm | that's nice :) | 17:37 |
| merlin1991 | but dead ... | 17:37 |
| stevenm | ooh it's really nice to see someone is carrying ... oh :( ... *WAS* carrying this on | 17:37 |
| stevenm | perhaps cordia could be a replacement UI for the Unity on Ubuntu Phone OS | 17:38 |
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| stevenm | merlin1991, any ideas what qildon is? | 17:42 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 17:42 |
| stevenm | i think it might be hildon but with qt | 17:42 |
| stevenm | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gNCP4fmNug | 17:42 |
| stevenm | https://launchpad.net/~cordia-team/+archive/ubuntu/qildon | 17:43 |
| merlin1991 | btw from cordia devel http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.cordia.devel/324 | 17:44 |
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| neal | merlin1991, Why not gta04? | 21:46 |
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| merlin1991 | neal: I'm not exactly following, what do you mean? | 22:25 |
| neal | merlin1991, The gta04 is possibly reasonable hardware for Maemo. | 22:30 |
| neal | merlin1991, There's obviously the neo900 project, which is based on the gta04 | 22:30 |
| neal | but the gta04 exists today | 22:31 |
| merlin1991 | yeah only that the n900 > gta04 | 22:31 |
| neal | The gta04 has linux 4.0 :) | 22:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | but missing the features of the N900 | 22:35 |
| neal | of course | 22:36 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC Neo900 should have a bit better hardware than the GTA04 | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | more RAM, etc. | 22:39 |
| M4rtinK | but more by much but still :) | 22:39 |
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