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| mario | hey everyone, I just got a boot loop on cssu-thumb install on a fresh clean flashed n900 | 18:32 |
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| mario | I also tried closing keyboard and disconnecting the usb cable, and removing battery, but its the same... | 18:33 |
| mario | flashed to stock fw, trying with cssu-testing instead of thumb, oh well | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty normal case of "boot between flashing combined and flashing vanilla" | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~flashing | 18:47 |
| infobot | hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#the_complete_foolproof_procedure | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply flasged standard kernel to a thumbified system | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | flashed* | 18:48 |
| mario | i flashed stock vanilla/combined, and then just went to .install file at first boot | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon, I never wrapped my head around how's thumbified system gonna get installed/re-installed | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a thumbified userland is *known* to 100% go bonkers when booted from a non-thumbified kernel | 18:51 |
| mario | hmm, well, I figured install should go fine if one has a stock system, and I got one because i flashed both emmc and system with two images from nokia | 18:51 |
| mario | hmm, you might be on to something, I did not install anything prior to starting the cssu-thumb.install file, so there was no power kernel or anything | 18:52 |
| mario | lets see if cssu-testing goes any further.. its installing | 18:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | until eventually we get a thumbified COMBINED fiasco image to flash a genuine thumb system, I don't consider css-thumb as ready for primetime for "normal users" | 18:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | installing cssu-testing will NOT roll back thumbification for all I know | 18:56 |
| mario | well i flashed back stock nokia fiasco images, cssu-testing should work fine on that | 18:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu-thumb | 18:57 |
| infobot | from memory, cssu-thumb is <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb | 18:57 |
| mario | and if boot loop on thumb is only due to kernel pre-requisite, this should easily be fixed | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb#Installation the matching kernel should get installed | 18:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a `uname -a` after cssu-thumb installation (*before* next boot which possibly loops) should tell clearly if you got a thumb-enabled kernel or not | 19:00 |
| mario | if its included in the "maemo 5 community ssu package"... | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kernel? nope | 19:01 |
| mario | thats it then, kernel is never offered when 'update all' shows up | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CSSU by default doesn't touch the kernel | 19:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb#Installation | 19:02 |
| mario | "If you have kernel-power v51r1 or above, no custom kernel will be installed, as needed errata workaround is now included in kernel-power." | 19:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-thumb somehow installs own kernel when no powerkernel got installed already | 19:03 |
| mario | well that sentence implies that cssu-thumb install also grabs kernel, but I am unsure of that, because it goes into boot loop before i could check uname -a | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas the test for "installed powerkernel" is not trivial and - in my book - not exactly done the right way | 19:04 |
| mario | yeah, i figured as much, well... its not a problem installing a power kernel as a pre-requisite, if only this was mentioned somewhere, i figured one would get pulled automatically :P | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask freemangordon, I have no idea what cssu-thumb actually got tested for | 19:05 |
| mario | hmm cssu-testing boots fine :) | 19:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it *should* pull a cssu-thumb specific kernel when no power-kernel got installed already | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I however am not sure +anybody* testing this feature on a regular basis | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet usually testers of cssu-thumb have powerkernel installed already, when installing or updating cssu-thumb | 19:07 |
| mario | yeah, probably | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I have a hard time to imagine that somebody does a complete cssu-thumb installation on stock N900 system every time a new version of cssu-thumb gets released | 19:08 |
| mario | i suppose before installing cssu-thumb, but after running install, i should manualy install kernel jsut to make sure | 19:08 |
| mario | yeah, probably not, i just had my n900 sitting on a desk, i figured i would bring it up to speed :) | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and *usually* users switch to cssu-thumb long after they familiarized and used/installed KP and even cssu-testing | 19:09 |
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| bencoh | which is too bad because then they usually have to reinstall (migrating from cssu to cssu-thumb) ;) | 19:10 |
| mario | i had it before, but it was long time ago, fresh install looked like a nice way to start, but yeah, since cssu-testing works fine, i will clean flash it once more, and try pulling thumb kernel before cssu-thumb is installed | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I suggest you go fullflash->KP->cssu-testing->cssu-thumb | 19:10 |
| mario | i will skip cssu-testing in that ^ | 19:10 |
| mario | it somehow seems pointless | 19:11 |
| mario | full flash -> kp -> cssu-thumb shuld work out considering what we came up so far | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: before auto-rebooting system after/during cssu-thumb installation, you OUGHT check if there's *really* a thumb-enabled kernel. Otherwise you better not boot but pop up a big warning notifier "ATTENTION, your one step from DOOM! Installing of kernel failed, thumb support missing!" | 19:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you're* | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually you need a cascaded script hooking in to first-boot script infra which 1) first checks and - if needed - installs kernel, then reboots to start that kernel. If check at 1) shows that thumb-kernel is running, the script (no matter if invoked by user or by first-boot) replaces itself with part#2 and then proceeds with installing cssu-thumb | 19:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | if kernel installation fails, the script would loop install+reboot->check, so you should offer a interactive component that allows user to abort this loop, revert to a definitely working kernel config that been there before the script started, and take care about kernel installation by her/himself. Then, after done with manual kernel installation, user must be allowed to start cssu-thumb .install again | 19:27 |
| mario | hmm, okay, there is kernel-cssu and kernel-power | 19:28 |
| mario | after running cssu-thumb.install which added repositories | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/install+reboot->check/check,install,reboot->repeat/ | 19:28 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: if kernel installation fails, the script would loop check,install,reboot->repeat, so you should offer a interactive component that allows user to abort this loop, revert to a definitely working kernel config that been there before the script started, and ... | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "there is"? | 19:29 |
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| mario | right after .install file adds repositories and installs 'enabler' ... i went to install kernel power, and discovered tehre is also kernel-cssu as well | 19:29 |
| mario | hmm | 19:31 |
| mario | "CSSU Thumb requires a kernel which has the workaround. This is provided in Kernel-CSSU or the latest version of Kernel Power" | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mario: yes, KP or kernel-cssu-thumb will show up in packages to install, in HAM. But this should be the only thing that gets installed at this point in time. When something else causes a reboot _before_ kernel got installed, then this will cause havoc. I'm not even sure if installing of KP which gets done during a reboot afaik, would actually work since that reboot already might fail when other stuff needing thumb enabled kernel is | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | involved in that boot | 19:32 |
| mario | it looks like its best to install kernel-cssu then | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mario: why "hmm"? This is all pretty well known and even documented | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's the best to install latest KP | 19:33 |
| mario | yeah but i was unsure for a second which one of the two is better for -thumb | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ^^^ | 19:34 |
| mario | well | 19:34 |
| mario | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 | 19:34 |
| mario | "CSSU-thumb repo contains a special kernel (kernel-cssu) based on top of kernel-power 51r1 which workarounds the issue" | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CBA to read random threads | 19:34 |
| mario | it appears that kernel-cssu is built on top of KP | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *sigh* | 19:34 |
| mario | so why not use kernel-cssu? | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why DO use kernel-cssu? | 19:35 |
| mario | haha, well, it sounds like its built by and for cssu usage, it somehow looks like one should use that | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no! | 19:36 |
| mario | why no?! | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh | 19:36 |
| mario | enlighten me | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go use whatever you like, go pester freemangordon "WHEN will the new kernel-sccu-thumb get published?" | 19:37 |
| mario | ok, you could have said kernel-cssu doesnt get updated as often, that would have been fine :) | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kp51r1 < Kernel-CSSU-thumb < (any KP > 51r1) | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it will *never* get updated | 19:39 |
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| mario | fair enough | 19:40 |
| mario | installing kp52 | 19:40 |
| mario | i suppose its best to reboot now, check uname -a, and then run the 'enabler' | 19:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you installed KP52 the right way, it should already have booted | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope you didn't install it via apt-get install | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since afaik that's not working | 19:44 |
| mario | HAM | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least not tricially | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | trivially | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HAM should have told you "going to reboot now", afaik | 19:44 |
| mario | nope | 19:45 |
| mario | it was just sitting useless | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, there's three packages that need installation. IIRC they are powerkernel-flasher, powerkernel-modules, and powerkernel | 19:46 |
| bencoh | what about kp not working from apt-get ? | 19:46 |
| bencoh | kp-bootimg worked fine here at least | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then IIRC the system needs a reboot during which it does the actualy kernel flashing | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong, it's years since I last flashed a kernel | 19:48 |
| bencoh | hmm right I didnt flash it (I only flashed uboot) | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bootimg is the kernel image needed by uboot, afaik | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is just one of the reasons why the check in cssu-thumb.install for matching kernel might fail: it's too complex to check if uboot would boot a thumb-enabled kernel | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the kernel merged to uboot is NOT any special kernel, it does NOT support thumb | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even when you installed kp-bootimg, that doesn't guarantee that uBoot does actually boot it | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd argue that uBoot and cssu-thumb should be mutually exclusive | 19:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | unless we eventually get a uBoot-thumb package that comes with thumbified kernel instead of stock kernel | 19:54 |
| mario | hmm, well, ham was sitting doing nothing so i rebooted it and kp52 now shows up in uname -a | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good | 19:54 |
| mario | running cssu-thumb enabler ... | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you could have done a BM full backup first - the only way to "uninstall" cssu* | 19:55 |
| mario | interesting, now when i run update-all, it shows 52MB size, before it was showing 57MB | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you run what? | 19:57 |
| mario | cssu enabler starts HAM, and shows update-all button | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in HAM, I hope | 19:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, that's ok | 19:58 |
| mario | on top of things there is cssu package, and before when i didnt have kernel-power it would pull 57MB of things, and now after kp52 it pulls 52MB only | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you however should follow the instructions | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 19:59 |
| infobot | [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation | 20:00 |
| mario | steps 7/8 are all i need really, and i dont see how i could do those wrong ... | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | update-all is not exactly what these instructions recommend | 20:01 |
| mario | hmm, update-all works for cssu-testing | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, when you know "what you need"... | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY SUPPORTED AND TESTED WAY TO INSTALL CSSU, please follow instructions faithfully!<< | 20:02 |
| mario | relax, you will give yourself a heart attack :) | 20:02 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 heads out | 20:02 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't give me anything, and I won't waste my time on this anymore | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not that I could get any more relaxed than I am right now | 20:04 |
| mario | 1. i dont need backups 2. newest already flashed clean 3. didnt modify a thing 4. skipped for cssu-thumb.install instead 5. yeah 6. yeah 7. of course 8. what ever | 20:04 |
| mario | its not rocket science, jeez :) | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | open a ticket "instructions are for idiots, here's how to do it right!" | 20:05 |
| mario | i suppose i should have clicked to install only cssu and not 'update-all' that one is on me :) | 20:05 |
| mario | but lets see when it reboots | 20:05 |
| mario | worked fine, cssu-thumb booted up | 20:07 |
| mario | all that was needed was that kp52 that thumb doesnt automatically install | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...that thumb doesnt automatically install **when not used/installed according to the instructions** | 20:13 |
| mario | it looked like kernel was installed according to what was written on the page, sorry | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | complete waste of time to analyze and try to help out. With a nice convenient potential to waste a multiple of time on trying to find the "bug2 in cssu-thumb that's prolly not existing | 20:14 |
| mario | no idea what you are on about, and I still don't see what did I do wrong.. | 20:19 |
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| freemangordon | mario: "..what did I do wrong" - you didn't follow the instructions if I read ^^^ right | 21:31 |
| freemangordon | ^^^ == backscroll | 21:31 |
| freemangordon | last time I tested cssu-thumb install on top of freshly flashed device was 2-3 weeks ago | 21:32 |
| freemangordon | (a friend of mine bought an used device) | 21:32 |
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| freemangordon | and yes, it was ok | 21:32 |
| mario | can you point out what i did wrong then? because it only worked after i manually installed kernel-power, and from what i can tell this should have been done autmatically | 22:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no we can't since we don't even have a clear idea of *what* exactly you did | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so we're not going to test all straying from THE INSTRUCTIONS to see if we can reproduce your problem, and how | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation >>THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY SUPPORTED AND TESTED WAY TO INSTALL CSSU, please follow instructions faithfully!<< | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((<mario> steps 7/8 are all i need really, and i dont see how i could do those wrong ...)) a strong indocation THAT you did STH wrong, since installation doesn't work on step7&8 only | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indication even | 23:07 |
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| mario | i did exactly whats written on that page, but you do realize there is a step missing? the one that should say to also install kernel-power, doh | 23:34 |
| freemangordon | mario: nothing is missing | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | if there is not compatible kernel installed, it will be | 23:35 |
| freemangordon | *no | 23:35 |
| mario | yeah but on thumb page it says taht if one is missing it will be installed, and it was not | 23:36 |
| freemangordon | mario: how you are sure it was the missing kernel that caused that boot loop? | 23:37 |
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| mario | because when i installed one there was no boot loop | 23:38 |
| freemangordon | I fail to see the logic there, toldya, it was not that long ago I installed cssu-thumb on a freshly flashed device and there was no problem | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | mario: did you answer the question "a custom kernel..."? | 23:40 |
| freemangordon | did you see that? | 23:40 |
| mario | what was the question again? sorry | 23:43 |
| freemangordon | mario: when you install CSSU-thumb by using HAM, just before kernel-cssu is flashed, you are asked a question(iirc). Did you see that and did you answer it? | 23:44 |
| mario | i was never asked a question, only "accept" stuff | 23:46 |
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| freemangordon | hmm, right, I removed that | 23:48 |
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| mario | so what did i do wrong then? :) | 23:52 |
| freemangordon | mario: I still don;t know exactly what you did :) | 23:52 |
| mario | I flashed n900 to stock, and on first boot I opened up cssu-thumb.install | 23:56 |
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| freemangordon | ~cssu | 23:56 |
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| infobot | it has been said that cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 23:56 |
| freemangordon | mario: did you do step 6 from ^^^? | 23:57 |
| mario | yes, of course | 23:58 |
| freemangordon | and did you update only "maemo 5" on step 7? | 23:58 |
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