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peterbjornxdidnt know this channel existed20:29
freemangordonpeterbjornx: seems you're a bit new here? :) ok, will make a short introduction20:29
freemangordonok, this is the "maemo core developers" channel, stuff like community updates, upstream kernal and maemo, etc is duscussed here20:30
freemangordonmerlin1991 is the "boss" :P, or rather cssu-testing maintainer20:31
freemangordonchem|st is the maintainer of cssu-stable20:31
peterbjornxnot new, just been out of the loop for about a year and a half20:31
freemangordonhmm, ok20:31
freemangordonthe you should know what cssu is, right?20:31
freemangordon*then20:31
peterbjornxyeah, the community run update channel for the n90020:32
freemangordonyep20:32
freemangordonok, neo900 a kind of extended its purpose, general speaking we aim to bring whatever possible in cssu to make fremantle compatible with upstream kernel20:33
freemangordonwithout breaking the user experiance on n900 ofc20:33
freemangordon*experience20:33
peterbjornxthats a nice goal, as it will allow other devices to be used which are more up to date than the n90020:33
freemangordonlooke at fptf thread on TMO, jonwil prepared an extensive list of closed packages and their "importancy"20:34
freemangordondamn, my typing skills start to degrade again :(20:34
freemangordonpeterbjornx: so, you could either pick a package of your choice and RE it, or take libhildon-whatever-it-was (there is one closed plugin)20:36
freemangordonI can find the name for you if you need it20:36
freemangordonpeterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu is the place on gitorious where all the stuff in CSSU is20:37
peterbjornxok, if it is ever needed, i own an arm dev board (beaglebone black) which has a reasonably similar cpu20:37
freemangordonand there are some pieces still in cssu-devel20:37
freemangordonpeterbjornx: porting fremantle to it will be a great job20:37
freemangordonme and Pali have 3.13-rc7 booting fremantle on n90020:38
peterbjornxnice20:38
peterbjornxis cal important?20:38
freemangordonbut it is not DT boot. And Pali's laptop is under repair, again.20:38
freemangordonyes it is20:38
freemangordonbut look here: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libcal/source/d4c5fd9293ddb693c9b032b4c084cd0343b3ea26: ;)20:39
freemangordonpeterbjornx: in case you are not aware - Ivaylo Dimitrov is me :)20:39
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freemangordonpeterbjornx: and the other very, very important part was REed, thanks to jonwil:20:41
freemangordonhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mce/source/83468be535f07ac6183cd8e794be407ef18fa6c6:20:41
peterbjornxso what parts are the most important atm20:42
peterbjornxand not crazy gui shit, preferably20:42
freemangordonlemme see20:42
freemangordonpeterbjornx: hmm, maybe take some small daemon as start, like umm... how was that called...20:43
freemangordonaah, yes20:44
freemangordonlocation daemon20:44
peterbjornxany docs on the gps backend yet?20:44
peterbjornxi know it goes thru cmt and thats about it20:44
freemangordondid you look at the fptf thread, iirc there were lots of links there to various stuff, like dbus ifaces, etc20:45
freemangordon~fptf20:45
infobotfrom memory, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9130820:45
peterbjornxlocation d is under Packages I think we can drop completly as non-essential for a working system: (including things that go away because we are using different hardware to the N900)20:47
peterbjornxgetbootstate done yeT?20:47
freemangordonyep20:47
freemangordonpeterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/getbootstate/source/d2659cad97a6d8cc497c255718228347b3482125:20:49
freemangordonas is osso-product-info20:50
freemangordonpeterbjornx: and there is fully functional charging(or rather BME replacement), with drivers in upstream kernel. Thanks to Pali20:51
freemangordon~pali20:51
infobotrumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/20:51
freemangordonhere http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html20:52
freemangordonpeterbjornx: oh, an important part we still miss is alsaped20:53
sixwheeledbeastis RE'd fmtx in cssu-devel?20:53
freemangordonyes, ofc20:53
freemangordon:P20:53
sixwheeledbeastwell it works ok here then20:54
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: the announce was just shadowed by the speedyham20:54
sixwheeledbeastyay for speedyHAM20:54
sixwheeledbeast:D20:54
freemangordon:D20:55
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404848&postcount=29220:55
sixwheeledbeastI thought it was the RE'd one when I upgraded, I'll continue with further testing then but seems fine at first look.20:58
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: thanks!20:59
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freemangordonpeterbjornx: so, it is up to you to work on whatever you like, every free bit more is welcomed21:01
freemangordonumm...21:02
freemangordonwelcomed? sixwheeledbeast: is it ok in english?21:02
freemangordon~seen luf21:05
infobotluf <~luf@80.188.29.62> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 9h 3m 36s ago, saying: 'But I'm not 100% sure.'.21:05
freemangordonoh, he's alive, good :)21:05
peterbjornxcant seem to find a list of what needs to be done, just some things not necessary21:07
freemangordonpeterbjornx: well, I guess it depends on what you want to achieve21:08
peterbjornxwell, i'd like to see my bbb run maemo21:09
sixwheeledbeastfreemangordon: eh? welcomed21:09
freemangordonpeterbjornx: hmm, that should be possible right now21:09
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: yeah :)21:09
freemangordonis it correct, in english21:09
freemangordon?21:09
peterbjornxalso, i'd like to help ensure the future of maemo21:10
freemangordonpeterbjornx: Pali has some scripts to copy the N900 rootfs21:11
freemangordonI'll try to find them21:11
peterbjornxwill it require sgx?21:11
freemangordonyeah21:11
freemangordonhildon-desktop is build with HW acceleration21:12
sixwheeledbeastit is english yes, but in  which context, where is it used?21:12
freemangordonpeterbjornx: but "our" upstream has sgx drivers included21:12
sixwheeledbeastoh21:12
sixwheeledbeastI misread, yes english ok21:13
freemangordonsixwheeledbeast: thanks21:13
freemangordonpeterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/source/fbe8f44503e2f158bf67c0a5950f56003aef9a53:21:14
freemangordonthe other option is to compile it without HW accell, I think the correct one should be clutter21:14
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freemangordonpeterbjornx: but wait, doesn;t BB have GLES drivers?21:15
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peterbjornxnope, no ones ported them to 3.8 yet21:18
freemangordonwell, diver on ^^^ tree work with 3.x kernels, iirc the first 3.x kernel I was using to port them was 3.521:20
freemangordonthey are not 100% stable, but do great job for testing21:20
peterbjornxfrom what ive heard, the issue is with the device tree21:21
freemangordon"not stable" - it means that I see lots of "SGXHWRecovery..." under heavy system load on n90021:21
freemangordonpeterbjornx: do you use DT boot on BB?21:21
peterbjornxyeah21:23
peterbjornxi dont know if a "native" kernel board driver exists21:23
DocScrutinizer05peterbjornx: (bbb run maemo) see ~fptf, links I posted in post#1/221:24
freemangordonyeah, there is some guide21:24
freemangordonI guess it is about time /me to read that :)21:25
DocScrutinizer05yeah, and answer some questions on fptf21:25
peterbjornxso, DocScrutinizer05 is there anything i can do for the porting effort21:26
peterbjornxREing something for example21:26
DocScrutinizer05liblocation/locationd is important21:28
DocScrutinizer05no GUI21:28
DocScrutinizer05no kernel21:28
DocScrutinizer05and you can drop all the ISI/modem stuff since our new modem speaks plain and well documented AT (if we don't include a completely separate GPS chip anyway)21:29
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freemangordonpeterbjornx: there should be x86 bins, so hexrays will help a lot21:34
DocScrutinizer05alsaped is extremely important since it controls audio and we need to get that right to make new modem do phonecalls21:35
freemangordonpeterbjornx: BTW install ScratchBox if not already do so. Otherwise the REing job will become a nightmare (without header files)21:38
freemangordon*did21:38
freemangordon~sb21:38
infobotmethinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead144021:38
freemangordonhmm, ok, 3.13 released, let the DT fun begin :D21:41
kerioi still don't get why there's no arm hexrays around :s21:46
freemangordonkerio: there is, if you have some 10000 euros (iirc)21:47
kerioi meant21:48
* kerio looks to the sides21:48
kerio*around*21:48
freemangordonI guess those who possess it are too scary to put it on TBP :)21:50
freemangordonBTW we are lucky to have x86 hexrays21:51
freemangordon*leaked*21:51
kerioand by leaked you mean absolutely 100% genuinely purchased21:51
kerioRIGHT21:51
freemangordonsure21:52
Ashley`genuinely purchased, at good store, like TPB?21:52
Ashley`:P21:52
freemangordonkerio: even SURE21:52
freemangordonkerio: BTW how's thumby glibc?21:53
kerioit's... a library21:53
freemangordonsure, but are there any problems?21:53
kerionot at all21:53
Ashley`works good for me21:53
freemangordondid you see smething unusual21:53
kerionope21:53
freemangordongood21:54
kerionow where's the gcc 4.7 xorg21:54
kerionever 4get21:54
freemangordonkerio: I am afraid I won;t touch Xorg before I upgrade gcc to a newver one, I guess it hits some bug in gcc21:54
kerioyay21:54
freemangordonnewer even21:55
keriorecompile all the things!21:55
freemangordonwhy?21:55
keriowith the newer version21:55
kerioit could be faster!21:55
freemangordonkerio: you know, the source code is on gitorious :P21:55
freemangordonkerio: it will be 4.7.2 again21:56
freemangordonI am not sure 4.8 and above will like our old sourcecode base21:57
kerioare there better compilers for arm?21:57
freemangordonno idea21:57
kerio...maybe clang? :322:02
DocScrutinizer05huh, new compiler rejects old code? since when?22:02
dos1http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/1532247/examining-the-user-reported-issues-with-upgrading-from-gcc-47-to-4822:05
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: lots of packager supply -Wall -Werror ;)22:06
DocScrutinizer05well22:06
chem|sto/22:18
freemangordonchem|st: hi!22:18
freemangordonchem|st: you know, the -stable thingie. What help (if any) do you need to make e new update?22:19
chem|stfreemangordon: someone doing it? the pain is that I need time to evaluate what is stable in the first place - packages are all built but sorted by cssu-t release22:23
freemangordonchem|st: noone is doing it afaik.22:24
chem|steven if someone does that for me, I need to double check some stuff. my weekends are basically gone for like ever. Actually had planned to do it between the years but got cought in the middle22:25
freemangordonchem|st: Last thing I know from you is that you had problems building modest and microb22:25
chem|styes I still do and noone ever got any clue about it22:25
freemangordonchem|st: ok, but we should exit somehow from that situation while there are still -stable users22:26
chem|stI think it was some lib I built after microb that sucked in my compiler as I was not able to rebuild any of the heavier things after that, that is why everything is now prebuilt conserved from testing, so I pull what I need and add my own magic22:27
freemangordonhmm, that seems like a good idea22:27
freemangordonbut you need to know what is stable?22:28
chem|stit was/is yes22:28
chem|stand yes I need to see what is in stable and what needs updates and which of those available are unbound to anything I do not want22:28
freemangordonchem|st: I can help with my opinion on what is stable. but that new release should be out soon IMO, there is more than an year since the last big update in -stable22:30
freemangordonand there is lots of things that are fixed in the meantime22:30
freemangordons/is/are22:30
chem|stI will see what I can do, I am sick atm and am struggling with sitting through a meeting, would have been a nice time off to do it but I can barely sit 30min at my computer atm22:32
freemangordonchem|st: ok, take care of yourself22:33
chem|stI burned my foot and have pretty low blood pressure atm22:34
freemangordonoh22:34
freemangordonhow did you manage to do that?22:34
freemangordonwith the bike?22:34
chem|stI sitt like in a 90deg angle on my desk to put it up...22:34
freemangordonoh, sounds bad22:35
chem|stwould love to (with a bike) as I got a new old one but no bare boiling water22:35
freemangordondamn22:35
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DocScrutinizer05peterbjornx: another very importand domain that has blobs: kbd driver stack23:56
DocScrutinizer05something creates the onscreen vkbd, and sth locks the vol+/vol- keys (aka "F7" "F8" iirc) but only when not configured otherwise in mce.ini23:58
DocScrutinizer05some Nokia proprietary blob in this stuff defeated some neat hacks like using indicator LED for showing Fn-lock /caps-lock23:58
DocScrutinizer05for other platforms we will have other keyboard hw, and thus will probably want that RE'ed to adapt it perfectly23:59

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