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| peterbjornx | didnt know this channel existed | 20:29 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: seems you're a bit new here? :) ok, will make a short introduction | 20:29 |
| freemangordon | ok, this is the "maemo core developers" channel, stuff like community updates, upstream kernal and maemo, etc is duscussed here | 20:30 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991 is the "boss" :P, or rather cssu-testing maintainer | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | chem|st is the maintainer of cssu-stable | 20:31 |
| peterbjornx | not new, just been out of the loop for about a year and a half | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | hmm, ok | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | the you should know what cssu is, right? | 20:31 |
| freemangordon | *then | 20:31 |
| peterbjornx | yeah, the community run update channel for the n900 | 20:32 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:32 |
| freemangordon | ok, neo900 a kind of extended its purpose, general speaking we aim to bring whatever possible in cssu to make fremantle compatible with upstream kernel | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | without breaking the user experiance on n900 ofc | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | *experience | 20:33 |
| peterbjornx | thats a nice goal, as it will allow other devices to be used which are more up to date than the n900 | 20:33 |
| freemangordon | looke at fptf thread on TMO, jonwil prepared an extensive list of closed packages and their "importancy" | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | damn, my typing skills start to degrade again :( | 20:34 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: so, you could either pick a package of your choice and RE it, or take libhildon-whatever-it-was (there is one closed plugin) | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | I can find the name for you if you need it | 20:36 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu is the place on gitorious where all the stuff in CSSU is | 20:37 |
| peterbjornx | ok, if it is ever needed, i own an arm dev board (beaglebone black) which has a reasonably similar cpu | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | and there are some pieces still in cssu-devel | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: porting fremantle to it will be a great job | 20:37 |
| freemangordon | me and Pali have 3.13-rc7 booting fremantle on n900 | 20:38 |
| peterbjornx | nice | 20:38 |
| peterbjornx | is cal important? | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | but it is not DT boot. And Pali's laptop is under repair, again. | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | yes it is | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | but look here: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libcal/source/d4c5fd9293ddb693c9b032b4c084cd0343b3ea26: ;) | 20:39 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: in case you are not aware - Ivaylo Dimitrov is me :) | 20:39 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: and the other very, very important part was REed, thanks to jonwil: | 20:41 |
| freemangordon | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mce/source/83468be535f07ac6183cd8e794be407ef18fa6c6: | 20:41 |
| peterbjornx | so what parts are the most important atm | 20:42 |
| peterbjornx | and not crazy gui shit, preferably | 20:42 |
| freemangordon | lemme see | 20:42 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: hmm, maybe take some small daemon as start, like umm... how was that called... | 20:43 |
| freemangordon | aah, yes | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | location daemon | 20:44 |
| peterbjornx | any docs on the gps backend yet? | 20:44 |
| peterbjornx | i know it goes thru cmt and thats about it | 20:44 |
| freemangordon | did you look at the fptf thread, iirc there were lots of links there to various stuff, like dbus ifaces, etc | 20:45 |
| freemangordon | ~fptf | 20:45 |
| infobot | from memory, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308 | 20:45 |
| peterbjornx | location d is under Packages I think we can drop completly as non-essential for a working system: (including things that go away because we are using different hardware to the N900) | 20:47 |
| peterbjornx | getbootstate done yeT? | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | yep | 20:47 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/getbootstate/source/d2659cad97a6d8cc497c255718228347b3482125: | 20:49 |
| freemangordon | as is osso-product-info | 20:50 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: and there is fully functional charging(or rather BME replacement), with drivers in upstream kernel. Thanks to Pali | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | ~pali | 20:51 |
| infobot | rumour has it, pali is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/ | 20:51 |
| freemangordon | here http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/projects/maemo/bme-replacement.html | 20:52 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: oh, an important part we still miss is alsaped | 20:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | is RE'd fmtx in cssu-devel? | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | yes, ofc | 20:53 |
| freemangordon | :P | 20:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well it works ok here then | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: the announce was just shadowed by the speedyham | 20:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | yay for speedyHAM | 20:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :D | 20:54 |
| freemangordon | :D | 20:55 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1404848&postcount=292 | 20:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I thought it was the RE'd one when I upgraded, I'll continue with further testing then but seems fine at first look. | 20:58 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: thanks! | 20:59 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: so, it is up to you to work on whatever you like, every free bit more is welcomed | 21:01 |
| freemangordon | umm... | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | welcomed? sixwheeledbeast: is it ok in english? | 21:02 |
| freemangordon | ~seen luf | 21:05 |
| infobot | luf <~luf@80.188.29.62> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 1d 9h 3m 36s ago, saying: 'But I'm not 100% sure.'. | 21:05 |
| freemangordon | oh, he's alive, good :) | 21:05 |
| peterbjornx | cant seem to find a list of what needs to be done, just some things not necessary | 21:07 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: well, I guess it depends on what you want to achieve | 21:08 |
| peterbjornx | well, i'd like to see my bbb run maemo | 21:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: eh? welcomed | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: hmm, that should be possible right now | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: yeah :) | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | is it correct, in english | 21:09 |
| freemangordon | ? | 21:09 |
| peterbjornx | also, i'd like to help ensure the future of maemo | 21:10 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: Pali has some scripts to copy the N900 rootfs | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | I'll try to find them | 21:11 |
| peterbjornx | will it require sgx? | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | yeah | 21:11 |
| freemangordon | hildon-desktop is build with HW acceleration | 21:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | it is english yes, but in which context, where is it used? | 21:12 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: but "our" upstream has sgx drivers included | 21:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | oh | 21:12 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I misread, yes english ok | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: thanks | 21:13 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: https://gitorious.org/linux-n900/linux-n900/source/fbe8f44503e2f158bf67c0a5950f56003aef9a53: | 21:14 |
| freemangordon | the other option is to compile it without HW accell, I think the correct one should be clutter | 21:14 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: but wait, doesn;t BB have GLES drivers? | 21:15 |
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| peterbjornx | nope, no ones ported them to 3.8 yet | 21:18 |
| freemangordon | well, diver on ^^^ tree work with 3.x kernels, iirc the first 3.x kernel I was using to port them was 3.5 | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | they are not 100% stable, but do great job for testing | 21:20 |
| peterbjornx | from what ive heard, the issue is with the device tree | 21:21 |
| freemangordon | "not stable" - it means that I see lots of "SGXHWRecovery..." under heavy system load on n900 | 21:21 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: do you use DT boot on BB? | 21:21 |
| peterbjornx | yeah | 21:23 |
| peterbjornx | i dont know if a "native" kernel board driver exists | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | peterbjornx: (bbb run maemo) see ~fptf, links I posted in post#1/2 | 21:24 |
| freemangordon | yeah, there is some guide | 21:24 |
| freemangordon | I guess it is about time /me to read that :) | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, and answer some questions on fptf | 21:25 |
| peterbjornx | so, DocScrutinizer05 is there anything i can do for the porting effort | 21:26 |
| peterbjornx | REing something for example | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | liblocation/locationd is important | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no GUI | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no kernel | 21:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you can drop all the ISI/modem stuff since our new modem speaks plain and well documented AT (if we don't include a completely separate GPS chip anyway) | 21:29 |
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| freemangordon | peterbjornx: there should be x86 bins, so hexrays will help a lot | 21:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alsaped is extremely important since it controls audio and we need to get that right to make new modem do phonecalls | 21:35 |
| freemangordon | peterbjornx: BTW install ScratchBox if not already do so. Otherwise the REing job will become a nightmare (without header files) | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | *did | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | ~sb | 21:38 |
| infobot | methinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, or hosted by maemo.org now, maintainer thedead1440 | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | hmm, ok, 3.13 released, let the DT fun begin :D | 21:41 |
| kerio | i still don't get why there's no arm hexrays around :s | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | kerio: there is, if you have some 10000 euros (iirc) | 21:47 |
| kerio | i meant | 21:48 |
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| kerio | *around* | 21:48 |
| freemangordon | I guess those who possess it are too scary to put it on TBP :) | 21:50 |
| freemangordon | BTW we are lucky to have x86 hexrays | 21:51 |
| freemangordon | *leaked* | 21:51 |
| kerio | and by leaked you mean absolutely 100% genuinely purchased | 21:51 |
| kerio | RIGHT | 21:51 |
| freemangordon | sure | 21:52 |
| Ashley` | genuinely purchased, at good store, like TPB? | 21:52 |
| Ashley` | :P | 21:52 |
| freemangordon | kerio: even SURE | 21:52 |
| freemangordon | kerio: BTW how's thumby glibc? | 21:53 |
| kerio | it's... a library | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | sure, but are there any problems? | 21:53 |
| kerio | not at all | 21:53 |
| Ashley` | works good for me | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | did you see smething unusual | 21:53 |
| kerio | nope | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | good | 21:54 |
| kerio | now where's the gcc 4.7 xorg | 21:54 |
| kerio | never 4get | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I am afraid I won;t touch Xorg before I upgrade gcc to a newver one, I guess it hits some bug in gcc | 21:54 |
| kerio | yay | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | newer even | 21:55 |
| kerio | recompile all the things! | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | why? | 21:55 |
| kerio | with the newer version | 21:55 |
| kerio | it could be faster! | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | kerio: you know, the source code is on gitorious :P | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | kerio: it will be 4.7.2 again | 21:56 |
| freemangordon | I am not sure 4.8 and above will like our old sourcecode base | 21:57 |
| kerio | are there better compilers for arm? | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | no idea | 21:57 |
| kerio | ...maybe clang? :3 | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh, new compiler rejects old code? since when? | 22:02 |
| dos1 | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/14/01/20/1532247/examining-the-user-reported-issues-with-upgrading-from-gcc-47-to-48 | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: lots of packager supply -Wall -Werror ;) | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well | 22:06 |
| chem|st | o/ | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: hi! | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: you know, the -stable thingie. What help (if any) do you need to make e new update? | 22:19 |
| chem|st | freemangordon: someone doing it? the pain is that I need time to evaluate what is stable in the first place - packages are all built but sorted by cssu-t release | 22:23 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: noone is doing it afaik. | 22:24 |
| chem|st | even if someone does that for me, I need to double check some stuff. my weekends are basically gone for like ever. Actually had planned to do it between the years but got cought in the middle | 22:25 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: Last thing I know from you is that you had problems building modest and microb | 22:25 |
| chem|st | yes I still do and noone ever got any clue about it | 22:25 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: ok, but we should exit somehow from that situation while there are still -stable users | 22:26 |
| chem|st | I think it was some lib I built after microb that sucked in my compiler as I was not able to rebuild any of the heavier things after that, that is why everything is now prebuilt conserved from testing, so I pull what I need and add my own magic | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | hmm, that seems like a good idea | 22:27 |
| freemangordon | but you need to know what is stable? | 22:28 |
| chem|st | it was/is yes | 22:28 |
| chem|st | and yes I need to see what is in stable and what needs updates and which of those available are unbound to anything I do not want | 22:28 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: I can help with my opinion on what is stable. but that new release should be out soon IMO, there is more than an year since the last big update in -stable | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | and there is lots of things that are fixed in the meantime | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | s/is/are | 22:30 |
| chem|st | I will see what I can do, I am sick atm and am struggling with sitting through a meeting, would have been a nice time off to do it but I can barely sit 30min at my computer atm | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | chem|st: ok, take care of yourself | 22:33 |
| chem|st | I burned my foot and have pretty low blood pressure atm | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | oh | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | how did you manage to do that? | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | with the bike? | 22:34 |
| chem|st | I sitt like in a 90deg angle on my desk to put it up... | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | oh, sounds bad | 22:35 |
| chem|st | would love to (with a bike) as I got a new old one but no bare boiling water | 22:35 |
| freemangordon | damn | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | peterbjornx: another very importand domain that has blobs: kbd driver stack | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | something creates the onscreen vkbd, and sth locks the vol+/vol- keys (aka "F7" "F8" iirc) but only when not configured otherwise in mce.ini | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some Nokia proprietary blob in this stuff defeated some neat hacks like using indicator LED for showing Fn-lock /caps-lock | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for other platforms we will have other keyboard hw, and thus will probably want that RE'ed to adapt it perfectly | 23:59 |
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