IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Tuesday, 2013-10-22

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Palifreemangordon: from /dev/mem access on maemo there is mess on address 0x4020FFB813:53
Paliso looks like kernel overwriting copy of PRM_RSTST register13:54
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DocScrutinizer05could someone help out a noob on the following: http://privatepaste.com/de4977fad216:35
DocScrutinizer05I wonder why that's soooo much to update. Shouldn't that be a tad less, maybe only the few packages from my cssu-t version to recent one16:36
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer05: that's all cssu stuff16:37
DocScrutinizer05yes16:38
DocScrutinizer05still I'm puzzled starting at first line16:39
DocScrutinizer05upstart [0.3.8-68+0cssu1] (0.3.8-68+0cssu6 community-testing:2.0/fremantle)16:39
DocScrutinizer05how the heck would my system have upstart-0.3.8-68+0cssu1  and latest CSSU-T has 0.3.8-68+0cssu6 ?16:40
merlin1991well you stopped upgrading quite long a go16:40
DocScrutinizer05it's not like I missed the last 6 CSSU updates16:40
merlin1991and we didn't release each cssuX iteration16:40
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merlin1991they were candidates, but got scraped when not ready enough16:41
merlin1991most upstart versions only ever saw -devel16:41
DocScrutinizer05so you say this is all fine for a system that stopped a 6 months orso ago with updates on CSSU-T?16:41
merlin1991if you'd still have the mp I'd at least know when you stopped16:42
merlin1991but I bet you stopped pre Tmaemo816:42
merlin1991and that has a huge changelist16:42
merlin1991http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo816:42
DocScrutinizer05sure16:42
DocScrutinizer05I think I stopped at T716:42
merlin1991yeah then that's pretty much the changes from tmaemo7 to tmaemo8.216:43
DocScrutinizer05ok16:43
DocScrutinizer05thanks16:43
DocScrutinizer05Now I just need to check each single one of them if I like it or not16:43
merlin1991bear in mind some changes go hand in hand16:44
merlin1991ie microb won't work without new zlib16:44
merlin1991and libpng16:45
merlin1991and some stuff belongs togehter which isn't obvious, ie system-services is part of upstart16:46
DocScrutinizer05and the package maintainers didn't bother to add proper DEPENDS on those?16:47
DocScrutinizer05BAD16:47
DocScrutinizer05apt-get install `apt-get -s upgrade|grep "community-testing:2.0/fremantle"|grep -f /etc/exclude-those-pkgs|cut -f 1`16:48
DocScrutinizer05err, add a -v there16:48
DocScrutinizer05I mean, when microb needs a certain version of zlib, then it damn sure needs this dependency listed in the .deb, eh?16:49
DocScrutinizer05or are we still following the "take it or leave it2 broken MP approach?16:50
DocScrutinizer05sure, I wouldn't be able to keep zlib out when I decide to install microb. but hey!16:52
DocScrutinizer05I guess I probably could handle that by another pass of dpkg and apt-* to list all dependencies of all the packages pending to install, and see if any of them contains a dependency that I excluden via /etc/exclude-those-pkgs16:54
DocScrutinizer05this step should find zlib listed as dependency in microb and warn me that there's a package microb it can't install since I got zlib on the blacklist16:55
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: btw sorry that I don't have any mp anymore, but I didn't remove it to annoy you. In fact I didn't remove it at all. All I did was installing procps16:57
DocScrutinizer05and I won't install mp again any time soon, unless it learns to not uninstall procps16:58
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DocScrutinizer05I honestly fail to understand why CSSU can't nuke mp all together and replace it by a script file consisting of apt-get lines for all the packages in the former mp, and place that script file into a location where it gets executed and then deleted/renamed on next boot, then boot the device17:08
DocScrutinizer05call that !MP17:09
DocScrutinizer05and make next cssu update install the !MP package via MP17:10
l4m3rxmp = meta pacakge?17:11
DocScrutinizer05yep17:11
DocScrutinizer05mp-fremantle-community-pr17:11
DocScrutinizer05check out latest mp-fremantle-community-pr, you'll be stunned17:13
l4m3rxi'm not sure I understood u right... u want insted of the mp-freemantle-c-pr, to have a package containing one shell script, witch does the apt-get blqblqh for the update.. and this script gets executed at boot17:13
l4m3rxafk for a minute, and i'll take a look17:13
DocScrutinizer05yes, exactly. I think this might work17:13
DocScrutinizer05and it wouldn't get uninstalled when I install procps17:14
DocScrutinizer05and I could set up a nifty little fancy that edits or parses the file and obeys my /etc/exclude-those-pkgs file17:15
DocScrutinizer05of course all this are second choice solutions, the preferred solution been described in http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/meetings/2012-05-14.txt17:19
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DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|wc -l17:28
DocScrutinizer05371617:28
DocScrutinizer05IroN900:~# apt-cache show mp-fremantle-community-pr|wc -c17:28
DocScrutinizer0532940317:28
merlin1991all hail the maemo repos17:28
merlin1991though I'm at 263 lines :)17:30
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DocScrutinizer05relevant for me right now: http://privatepaste.com/9a06022a0617:33
DocScrutinizer05and AIUI it could get relaced by a script calling apt-get install for each single one of the packages in "Depends:"17:34
merlin1991we'd have to rebuild the system upgrade functionality of ham in that script17:37
DocScrutinizer05hmm17:37
DocScrutinizer05what functionality?17:37
merlin1991prefetch packages, then go into flightmode and other bits17:38
merlin1991and THEN install the packages17:38
DocScrutinizer05well, THAT seems easy enough17:38
DocScrutinizer05actually we only need to place the script to where maemo-auto-optify gets called17:39
DocScrutinizer05maemo-optify-auto-opt.sh  actually17:40
DocScrutinizer05at that stage no system relevant stuff should have been started17:40
DocScrutinizer05incl modem17:41
DocScrutinizer05if that still doesn't suffice, we place it into the rcS17:42
DocScrutinizer05ot next to bootmenu17:42
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DocScrutinizer05well, prefetch (apt supports -d download-only), place _install_ script to bootmenu, boot17:47
DocScrutinizer05I guess it can get done in 2h17:47
DocScrutinizer05(writing such script, that is, and package it)17:48
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DocScrutinizer05I probably could write it here as a oneliner, in 20 min17:49
DocScrutinizer05except the ``  packages="modest (>= 3.90.7-2), hildon-home (>= 0.3.71-1), hildon-desktop (>= 1:2.2.142-3),... ยดยด17:50
DocScrutinizer05for p in $packages; do apt-get -d $p; done17:51
DocScrutinizer05see? 10% ready17:51
DocScrutinizer05maybe 20%17:51
DocScrutinizer05;-)17:51
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l4m3rx`homeDocScrutinizer05, i cannot totaly agree with u.Not that i'm really close with dpkg and apt-get, but I'm pretty sure that the debian package system is capable of doing all stuff right , IF everything (meainimg deps) is correctly added to all packages.19:13
l4m3rx`homethat said, having script to do the work ,gives you flexability, witch may even be needed on some updates.19:13
l4m3rx`homeand the scripts should make the maintainers life easyer19:15
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l4m3rx`homeanyway, after reading the log from the 2012-05-14 meeting, i think i understand ur point about the script. But avoiding the real issue will not solve it...and the issue here is ham19:38
l4m3rx`homeand i think merlin1991 was right about ham. anyway this is just my oppinion.....19:40
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freemangordonmerlin1991: what has happended with the update?20:58
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merlin1991life has happened21:26
merlin1991I'll get it done tomorrow21:26
merlin1991sorry :(21:26
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