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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm ambarassingly proud of jonwil, pali, freemangordon. Thnaks guys for your insight and your awesome work | 02:52 |
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| kerio | goddammit i seriously hope none of them gets hit by a bus :V | 08:25 |
| kerio | we should make sure to never send them on the same vehicle when traveling | 08:26 |
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| gggs | Hey guys, having an issue with the latest stable SSU- I can't access the inbox of my IMAP4 account | 09:19 |
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| Sc0rpius | why not | 09:21 |
| gggs | Every other folder works (although there's "Trash", ". Trash" and ". Trash", and two INBOX folders) | 09:21 |
| gggs | no idea, worked before the SSU | 09:21 |
| Sc0rpius | it's not a Gmail account, is it? | 09:22 |
| gggs | Nope, commercial IMAP4 | 09:22 |
| gggs | continues to work as normal via Thunderbird & my iPad | 09:22 |
| Sc0rpius | and you don't get any kind of error? it's just like email doesn't show? | 09:23 |
| gggs | I can't enter the "INBOX" folder at all- the select box highlights onPress but nothing happens | 09:23 |
| Sc0rpius | since it's IMAP and you won't lose your emails, have you tried to delete the account and create it again? | 09:24 |
| gggs | worth a shot, I've just rebooted it | 09:24 |
| gggs | Awesome, that actually worked. I still have an "Inbox", "INBOX", "Trash", ". Trash", and ". Trash", but otherwise it worked | 09:30 |
| gggs | a few years left in this old phone yet | 09:32 |
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| Pali | freemangordon_: did you test my et8ek8 patch (from yesterday)? | 18:25 |
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| freemangordon_ | Pali: no, will do now | 19:21 |
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| Pali | ok, let me know if it work so I can push that patch to gitorious | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | Pali: wait, where is the patch? I thought it is on gitorious. | 19:22 |
| Pali | on pastebin | 19:23 |
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| freemangordon | ok | 19:23 |
| Pali | http://pastebin.com/M6WdEcYJ | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | Pali: does not apply | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I bet pastebin broke it :( | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | lemme try something | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | Pali: it is ok now :) | 19:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hi gals and guys! please evaluate if (and by how much effort) it can be made possible to boot fremantle on a N(eo)900 without NAND. Don't worry about boot sequence, this will be granted to be set up so it works to boot from eMMC. I'm more worried about: * kernel partiton; * CAL (!!); * mtdoops | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | booting kernel from eMMC seems simple, we're already doing that all the time | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mtdoops seems marginal, but is it really? | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | CAL is a PITA I guess | 20:08 |
| freemangordon | Pali: seems your patch is fine | 20:09 |
| Sicelo | what does CAL stand for btw? | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | ~cal | 20:09 |
| infobot | i guess cal is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 | 20:09 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: what is the problem with cal? we have FOSS library to access it | 20:10 |
| Sicelo | is that even needed on Neo900? | 20:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nandsim | 20:11 |
| kerio | unless everything uses libcal | 20:11 |
| kerio | in which case, replacement for libcal | 20:11 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: mtdoops is set by kernel cmdline, so this is not problematic | 20:11 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: kernel area is used only for loading kernel by bootloader, so not problem too | 20:11 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: CAL: this is problem, but freemangordon already RE libcal library, so we can replace code to store data to eMMC | 20:12 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is this actually r/w enabled lib? | 20:13 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: if you want to use fremantle from SD card or eMMC, see my scripts for M32GB | 20:13 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: yes | 20:13 |
| Pali | ~M32GB | 20:13 |
| infobot | well, m32gb is https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/+junk/maemo_M32GB | 20:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Pali: we want to keep as much as possible conpatibility to stocj maemo | 20:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and confine any hacks/patches to kernel, if any possible | 20:14 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: mtd is not problem, this depends on bootloader | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libcal/source/27df167a08103f060f297cbdfec2a360e5d1eec4:src/cal.h#L144 | 20:14 |
| freemangordon | :) | 20:15 |
| Pali | so if you configure/compile bootloader for neno correctly, there will not be problem | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good, thanks | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I still don't feel euphoric about using a 1GB RAM PoP without NAND | 20:15 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I guess 512+512 and 1GB of fast swap is better | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | int cal_lock_otp_area(struct cal* cal, unsigned int flag); DAMNIT! | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: ACK | 20:18 |
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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: this lock should be supported by nand iirc | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | (it was a while I played with this :) ) | 20:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't doubt it's supported, I'm not pleased if it gets used ;-) | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | iirc it is not supported :) | 20:20 |
| freemangordon | rv = ioctl(fd, OTPLOCK, &info); | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | N9 prolly using it, in NOLO | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | not to say we can always repartition the cal area | 20:21 |
| freemangordon | could be | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | whatever, thanks for sharing your notions and expertise. I'll continue to search for a solution that keeps NAND. Just for the record we seem to have found a 1GB RAM-only PoP | 20:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm kinda feeling defiant today, due to users bashing Neo900 for not outperforming N9 on GFX and 720p playback (the heck WHAT FOR??), so I rather tend to go for 512MB RAM and that's it, the demand for 1GB RAM is a stupid marketing-driven thing which I consider of minor benefit for Neo900 performance | 20:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | very honorable guys uttered their sound notion that already a humble 80MB more of RAM would bring fremantle out of swap hell and thus would cure 95% of our most iching problems. Neo900 has 256MB more RAM | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | all this numbers-bragging on RAM, cores, MHz. I despise it so much | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the GFX makes 20Mpoly/s instead of 10 on 3530 | 20:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | but users go "EEEEW the DSP is same crap like N9" (only 50% faster than on N900) | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm tempted to answer "then the heck get a spyPhone9!" | 20:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly we should change our advertising: "RAM: 4Gb" ;-) | 20:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "CPU clock: up to 2.4GHz" (or whatever the dividers theoretically could provide) | 20:36 |
| ShadowJK | There's no swap hell if you limit yourself | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | And even with 1g you can reach swap hell easily if you dont limit yourself. | 20:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, *I* know that | 20:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (([2013-09-24 19:33:59] <DocScrutinizer05> I'm tempted to answer ...)) I did ;-P | 21:00 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: 50% faster but still crashing every other video! | 21:18 |
| kerio | also, i vote for 1gb ram with no NAND instead of 512+512 | 21:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: *maybe* we can offer options, but for sure FPTF won't support NAND-less as the first and prior variant, maybe it won't support it ever and you need to configure and bring up your device under fremantle by yourself then | 21:21 |
| kerio | :c | 21:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all we'd need massive hacks to a lot of core system properties and bits, to support NAND-less fremantle | 21:22 |
| kerio | very few things actually speak with /dev/mtd* | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the partitioning is different | 21:23 |
| kerio | cal goes through libcal, and nothing prevents us from having / and /home as separate partitions | 21:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it starts with different uBoot config needed, and I bet rcS needs a lot of patching as well | 21:24 |
| kerio | just the very early bits | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replacing libcal is just another detail | 21:24 |
| kerio | and do you really hope to run them unchanged? | 21:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | libcal? sure | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rcS? hope so | 21:25 |
| kerio | mmh | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the idea of the whole Neo900 compatibility goal | 21:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to userland, the system should look identical | 21:26 |
| kerio | yeah but twice the ram :( | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, 4 times the ram | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you already got twice the ram | 21:26 |
| kerio | twice the ram compared to the 512+512 | 21:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not geting euphoric or even horny ny watching my RAM values in top, what makes me happy is a smoothly working device | 21:27 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 feels strangely reminded at OM GTA02 which been supposed to have that SMEDIA Glamo GFX accel chip, and it turned out that due to all the collateral damage that chip *slowed down* graphics to a level that it became basically unbearable | 21:30 | |
| kerio | i just feel that this could be a point where backwards compatibility could be ignored for the good of innovation | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but sure, it had a GFX accel | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we're not going that path | 21:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | when you want innovation, get a N9 or a Jolla | 21:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Neo900 is rather vintage than innovation ;-) | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GTA04 already had to replace sevarl chip by alternatives since EOL | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | several* | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually it seems OMAP3430 is EOL either | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, not yet | 22:47 |
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