IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Thursday, 2013-08-29

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FatPhilIs there a utility to turn my n900 into a (USB) keyboard for a PC?09:06
freemangordon_nothing for USB afaik, but I gess you can use some X tools to do some forwarding09:31
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FatPhilthat's a same, it would make adminning my servers in a closet easier - wouldn't need real keyboard/kvm in there!09:42
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DocScrutinizer05errr not for USB, indeed09:54
DocScrutinizer05but there is bluemaemo09:54
DocScrutinizer05amazing that this name passed the censorship09:54
DocScrutinizer05apropos, we might have to rename the whole thing, due to [TM] reasons. How's about meano09:55
FatPhilmaen-all-maen?09:56
DocScrutinizer05interesting09:57
DocScrutinizer05manno09:57
FatPhilourmo?09:57
DocScrutinizer05mameo09:57
DocScrutinizer05I guess I lack the northern lingual background for ourmo etc09:58
FatPhilthat would remind Finns of mämmi09:58
FatPhilWell, "maemo" was pronounced "my mo", so "our mo" or "mine all mine"09:59
DocScrutinizer05aaah09:59
DocScrutinizer05:-)09:59
freemangordonFatPhil: do you know maemo-certman guy?09:59
FatPhilnope, rarely saw anything outside kernel group. security group was very private10:00
freemangordonwe have a severe bug I'd love to have support from someone knowing the code while fixing it10:00
freemangordonoh10:00
DocScrutinizer05write a ticket! ;-P10:01
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: to myself? hehe10:01
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: explanations for supl.nokia.com problem http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1370304&postcount=12210:01
DocScrutinizer05mhm10:01
FatPhilis maemo-certman open source?10:03
freemangordonsure10:04
FatPhilphew!10:04
FatPhilyou never can tell10:04
freemangordonwell, it wasn't :D10:04
freemangordonsomehow nokia guys managed to opensource it at 11:5910:04
freemangordonat/on? nevermind10:05
FatPhilat a time, on a date10:06
freemangordonthanks :)10:07
FatPhilwhat toolchain are you using for compiling luserspace?10:08
freemangordon4.2.1 (stock SDK) or 4.7.2 (for cssu-thumb)10:08
FatPhilI notice my (meego) scratchbox has got cs2009q3-eglibc2.10-armv7-hard  and linaro4.5-eglibc2.12-armv7-hard already installed10:08
freemangordonsoftfp only10:09
freemangordonthose with eglibc2.5 in the names10:09
FatPhilI must have purged those10:09
freemangordonhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation10:10
freemangordonthough I think going to hathor is not a very good idea10:10
FatPhilnever even heard of hathor10:11
freemangordonoh, sure you did if you have scratchbox installed :)10:11
FatPhilhonestly, I've never seen those 6 letters in that order before10:12
freemangordonhttp://www.scratchbox.org/download/scratchbox-hathor/10:13
freemangordonor http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/hathor/deb/amd64/ even10:14
freemangordonyour toolchain is there :)10:15
freemangordonthough I wonder where did you get linaro4.5 from10:15
FatPhilah, so it's jsut a version name?10:17
freemangordonyep, the release name10:17
freemangordonthe original one for Fremantle is apophis iiuc10:18
FatPhilii  scratchbox-core                                      1.0.24                       Scratchbox base system10:20
FatPhilwe did briefly play with scratchbox 2, I wonder if that was hathor10:20
FatPhilthere were some issues with it so we were told to stick to scratchbox 110:21
freemangordonmost probably10:21
freemangordonor not, no idea10:21
FatPhilscratchbox 2 was a million times more intuitive, I haven't got a clue where I am with scratchbox 110:21
FatPhilhence compiling powertop just using the crosscompiler directly outside scratchbox10:22
freemangordonyou lost me there, what is the problem with dpkg-buildpackge? or make -j410:22
DocScrutinizer05wut? you have the maemo powertop?10:22
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freemangordonpowertop compiles just fine in SB, with a sinple make10:22
freemangordon*simple10:22
DocScrutinizer05well, not *our* powertop, ehß10:23
DocScrutinizer05?10:23
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DocScrutinizer05I got told that maemo's powertop is a nokia blob10:23
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: it seems "our" powertop is GPL10:23
freemangordonbut I'll leave FatPhil to comment on that :)10:24
FatPhilmy scratchbox is apparently hathor: Filename: dists/hathor-r1/main/binary-i386/scratchbox-core_1.0.24_i386.deb10:24
DocScrutinizer05otherwise, why nobody fixed that friggin thing to not show BS on KP10:24
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: do you have the source code of "our" powertop? me neither10:25
DocScrutinizer05you leave me puzzled10:25
DocScrutinizer05[2013-08-29 09:23:52] <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: it seems "our" powertop is GPL10:25
FatPhilfreemangordon: I will check the n9's powertop over the weekend, and give you a *guaranteed safe* code drop immediately afterwards.10:25
freemangordon10:24 <freemangordon> but I'll leave FatPhil to comment on that :)10:25
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: ^^^10:25
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DocScrutinizer05too late10:26
freemangordonFatPhil: hmm, is it really a good idea? I bet there are some differences because of 2636 vs 3430 and because of the newer kernel10:26
freemangordonshit10:26
freemangordon3630 vs 343010:27
FatPhilThe code-base is basically the same - the kernel API didn't change.10:27
FatPhilAll the info comes from proc/sysfs files10:27
DocScrutinizer05:nod:10:27
freemangordonok, won't argue :)10:28
freemangordonanyway, have to run, bbl10:28
FatPhilSo I'll give you the n900 GPL release, a patch to take that to the n9 release, also GPL. Nokia should have done this already, I wonder why they didn't?10:29
freemangordongreat10:29
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DocScrutinizer05Nokia had to employ 17 lawyers to check if the GPL remark is actually correct, before handing out any source10:32
DocScrutinizer05after all somebody could have edited the source and used a TM-threatened variable name10:33
DocScrutinizer05ot the edit been done by a subcontractor10:34
DocScrutinizer05or*10:34
DocScrutinizer05then you need to check the contracts first, to see if Nokia may release that code at all10:34
DocScrutinizer05at ST-E I would've needed a special security audit to touch the Nokia projects10:35
DocScrutinizer05Hell, Nokia been ST-E *customer*10:36
DocScrutinizer05luckily I wasn't involved in any Nokia related stuff10:37
DocScrutinizer05anyway, for defeating a GPL complaint you need only one lawyer, for checking code to satisfy the complaint you need 17. Guess what the managers decide to do10:42
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FatPhilhahah - looks like powertop was put in non-free!12:37
FatPhilWho wants to call teh GPL violations project ;-)12:37
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ShadowJKIt's a different powertop20:42
ShadowJKThe lesswatts.org powertop looks completely different, and doesn't give nearly as useful information20:43
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DocScrutinizer05ShadowJK: that's exactly what I thought as well22:03
DocScrutinizer05lesswatts powertop is largely useless22:04
DocScrutinizer05afaik22:04
DocScrutinizer05Powertop 1.13.3   /sys/kernel/debug/pm_debug/time   Mounting debugfs   mount -t debugfs nodev /sys/kernel/debug   /sys/devices/platform/serial8250.0/sleep_timeout   Restarting PMTrackerd etcpp22:08
DocScrutinizer05CORTEX-A8   aeabi   HSOTGUSB_IDLE   @OMAPCTRL22:10
DocScrutinizer05^^ strings from "our" powertop22:11
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