IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Thursday, 2013-07-11

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keriofreemangordon: in a general sense, will stuff that compiles with gcc 4.2 also compile with 4.7?18:45
keriox86_64 here18:45
kerioit should Just Work, right?18:45
freemangordonkerio: yes.18:45
freemangordonkerio: assuming the code does not contain some nasty bug which gets revealed by 4.7.2 :)18:46
kerioit's been 32 minutes of make bootstrap, i hope it'll work18:47
kerioit's such a boring thing, too18:49
keriopypy's translation process is a lot more interesting18:49
kerioyou get a drawing of the mandelbrot fractal18:49
kerioin colour, too18:49
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kerioholy shit it's still going19:57
kerio1:45 so far19:57
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keriothis is insane, two hours for a make bootstrap20:12
kerioyay it finished20:15
kerioi know that complaining about it here would make it go faster20:15
kerio*kneqw20:15
kerio**knew20:15
DocScrutinizer05kerio: nonsense20:18
DocScrutinizer05you need to oil the CPUs20:18
keriothere's enough grease on my laptop, tyvm20:18
DocScrutinizer05get a good herring can, open it, get some of the oil (it is evidently best for that purpose), and pour it over your motherboard, next to CPU, and also directly on top of CPU chip20:20
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: i'd pour it on the keyboard but i think that it's somewhat sealed away from the mobo20:25
kerioand opening this laptop is somewhat of a bitch20:25
DocScrutinizer05there are air inlet apertures on the bottom of the laptop20:27
kerionot here20:27
kerio:)20:27
DocScrutinizer05might work20:27
DocScrutinizer05ugh, a toughbook?20:27
keriomacbook pro20:27
DocScrutinizer05mhm20:27
kerioto be fair, it's still kinda tough20:27
keriofell on its corner from about a meter, nothing broke20:27
kerioonly a bump on the chassis20:28
DocScrutinizer05well for macbook I heard you can use the 3.5mm headset jack20:28
kerioneat!20:28
DocScrutinizer05with a thin flexible tube20:28
keriooh my god scipy's fortran is horrible, according to gcc4720:29
kerioall the warnings20:29
keriobut apparently everything works20:37
kerioyay20:37
DocScrutinizer05seems I heard writing a fortran program that compiles without warnings is evidently impossible20:38
DocScrutinizer05but seriously, FORTRAN???20:38
DocScrutinizer05wtf scipy?20:40
DocScrutinizer05or is this the geek speak for "excuse my French"?20:41
DocScrutinizer05"damn, this program has a horrible FORTRAN"20:41
DocScrutinizer05which, honestly, sounds like "oh this water is very wet"20:43
* DocScrutinizer05 mumbles "DATION ALPHIC"20:44
DocScrutinizer05oops that been perl20:44
DocScrutinizer05pearl actually20:44
kerioDocScrutinizer05: legacy shit, i guess20:46
kerioi even had to symlink gfortran-4.7 to gfortran, because i didn't know how to specify the path to gfortran20:47
DocScrutinizer05LEGACY?? damn, it seems nobody even used fortran90 any more20:47
keriothat's what you'd hope20:48
keriobut numerical analysts aren't quite as interested in programming as they are about numerical analysis :)20:49
kerioVarious NumPy modules use FORTRAN 77 libraries, so you’ll also need a FORTRAN 77 compiler installed.20:53
keriowhat the FUCK20:53
DocScrutinizer05ohmy21:00
DocScrutinizer05numerical analysts21:00
DocScrutinizer05Q: what is common denominator of FORTRAN, BASIC, COBOL, and web programming (aka javascript etc)? A: All 4 are made for target audience that rather never should touch computers21:02
DocScrutinizer05I guess spaghetti code been invented by italian housewives who thought they want to learn about computers21:04
DocScrutinizer05s/want to learn/want to learn BASICs/21:05
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: I guess spaghetti code been invented by italian housewives who thought they want to learn BASICs about computers21:05
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DocScrutinizer05the real programmer: "if you can't code it in FORTRAN, code it in assembler. If you can't code it in assembler, it's not worth getting coded at all"21:08
DocScrutinizer05and "the real programer can write FORTRAN in any arbitrary language"21:09
DocScrutinizer05http://www-personal.edfac.usyd.edu.au/staff/souters/Humour/Real.Programmer.Stories.html21:11
DocScrutinizer05Real Programmers do List Processing in FORTRAN.21:14
DocScrutinizer05Real Programmers do String Manipulation in FORTRAN.21:14
DocScrutinizer05Real Programmers do Accounting (if they do it at all) in FORTRAN.21:14
DocScrutinizer05Real Programmers do Artificial Intelligence programs in FORTRAN.21:14
DocScrutinizer05If you can't do it in FORTRAN, do it in assembly language. If you can't do it in assembly language, it isn't worth doing.21:14
DocScrutinizer05>>The problem with these editors is that Real Programmers consider "what you see is what you get" to be just as bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in Women. No, the Real Programmer wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor -- complicated, cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous<< LOL21:27
kerioThe proportion of Real Programmers in Computer Graphics is somewhat lower than the norm, mostly because nobody has found a use for Computer Graphics yet. On the other hand, all Computer Graphics is done in FORTRAN, so there are a fair number people doing Graphics in order to avoid having to write COBOL programs.21:41
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merlin1991regarding the editor23:58
merlin1991I still have to find out which shortcut I hit in vim when I suddenly duplicate stuff, I always hit it by accident when I want to save :D23:59

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