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| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: how did you update ti T8.2? | 00:38 |
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| freemangordon | *to | 00:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman, he said | 00:47 |
| freemangordon | hmmm | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 00:47 |
| freemangordon | I bet he has different versions of PA and the libs | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no surprise with fapman, eh? | 00:47 |
| freemangordon | never used it, so can't judge ;) | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | but won;t be surprised | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | same here, but judging by the reports and public info | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | yep | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fapman needed 12,5 minutes to waste its chance on my device | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | :) | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | never installed here | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, that's several years ago | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but - you know - there's a certain user experience that makes it extremely unlikely that a package will ever get a second chance | 00:50 |
| freemangordon | yeah, esp if it son supported | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | s/it son/ it is not/ | 00:51 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: yeah, esp if it is not supported | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | supported or maintained? | 00:51 |
| freemangordon | however, I'll wait psycho_oreos to report his PA and Pa libs versins | 00:52 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: both | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | know what? I had a weird phantasy a few days ago: every garage- and/or tmo-user would pay 10ct per month to pay techstaff and maintainers for their work. I probably could live with that, literally | 00:56 |
| freemangordon | hm? why is that? | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why is what? | 00:56 |
| freemangordon | the payments | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why I got phantasies? dunno | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the payment, why? nfc | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think it ever will happen | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't know why any user would be willing to pay 10ct/month for using maemo.org services | 00:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all they all paqid for their N900 already | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I just had that weird equation in front of my inner eye: 80k garage users + (50k tmo users * NN% for those who got both accounts) * 0.10$ | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | heck, for two ct/month from each of them, I'd dedicate my time to maemo.org exclusively | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooops there's the problem, I already do that, even without those 2ct/user | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but sometimes I suddenly face reality and realize I can't sustain that indefinitely | 01:05 |
| Raimu | The problem I think is that there is a huge leap to be made in mentality when stepping from free to any kind of payment, even ridiulously low like $.1 | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, exactly | 01:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why [2013-07-04 23:58:15] <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think it ever will happen | 01:07 |
| xes | i think that a big banner "buy a beer to your techstaff" would be better... | 01:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a pity since basically I like that job | 01:08 |
| xes | hello there.. | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, hi xes. Could you have a look at our firewalls? | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think they might have gotten a bit upset with our blade-a boot | 01:09 |
| xes | one guy arrives, starts talking about beers and.. this is your reply? | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | www.m.o is very slow, despite no particular load | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) well, beer is a nice beverage | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sometimes | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you might have noticed it from icinga | 01:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (slowness of www.m.o that is) | 01:11 |
| xes | let me check | 01:12 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i'd send you HUNDREDS of satoshis | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is this a currency that you need to pay to get rid of? | 01:12 |
| kerio | 100M satoshis = 1 BTC | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 01:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so yeah, obviously you need to pay to handle that | 01:13 |
| kerio | 1 BTC goes for 78.23248 USD on mtgox | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what?? | 01:14 |
| kerio | i know, the price dropped quite a lot | 01:14 |
| kerio | there were some huge spikes | 01:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never thought 1BTC was so valuable | 01:15 |
| kerio | they were worth at least 300$ at some point | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ugh | 01:15 |
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| kerio | also, they need to be worth at least the cost of mining them | 01:16 |
| kerio | otherwise you get no miners, and the blockchain becomes unsafe and slow | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now those weirdos with their own powerplant to feed all the PCs with monster GFX cards, and the AC for that, make more sense | 01:16 |
| kerio | lots of people have made ASICs | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will paypal accept BTC? | 01:19 |
| kerio | anyway, the fact that the whole system is reliant on miners to keep the blockchain going is a longevity issue | 01:19 |
| kerio | nope | 01:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good ;-P | 01:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I recently realized that I might have to learn about BTC, for darknet | 01:22 |
| kerio | like, buying drugs on silkroad? | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for now I have a fuzzy idea of how that stuff works, at best | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so yeah, please send me a few of those satoshi, never seen any | 01:24 |
| kerio | i actually don't have any | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe they feel nice | 01:25 |
| kerio | and there's an almost mandatory transaction fee for transactions below... 0.01BTC or something | 01:25 |
| xes | now www should work better | 01:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what did you doß | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ? | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, way better | 01:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | firewalls? | 01:27 |
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| xes | with actual settings every apache should die in at max one hour or two. If you find a process with a longer uptime (excluding the parent executed as root) it's blocked doing ..(wtf... i still can't understand) | 01:27 |
| xes | ..some script or bot query | 01:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm, so you killed stale apache processes? | 01:29 |
| xes | yep | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, makes sense as well. I thought it's fw since I haven't seen extraordinary load but still even *connect* to www too ages | 01:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | took* | 01:30 |
| xes | there wasn't too much requests or traffic, just those apache asking for the meaning of life.. | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually on high load it connects fast but takes ages to deliver responses | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 42 | 01:31 |
| xes | ..so i had to kill them to explain the sense | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | killall -42 apached | 01:32 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what's signal 42 | 01:32 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly siguserNN | 01:32 |
| xes | no, only the childs living too much | 01:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 42) SIGRTMIN+8 | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe we/I could bang together a scriptie to run every 5 min | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | man ps :-S | 01:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't figure how to select processes that have a certain livespan | 01:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since I don't consider parsing output of ps or even htop a brilliant idea, probably man procfs | 01:37 |
| xes | the best approach would be find what is creating this zombies.. | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check which wchan they're on? | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd not be surprised to find it related to NFS | 01:47 |
| xes | a quick check: ps -eo etime,pid,user,command| grep apache| grep -v grep | sort | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: yes, that's fine for interactive | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | xes: not though for a script | 02:07 |
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| _jester_ | just a quick question, if one were to develop a new application ... the best combination is to use qt or gtk ? python works or is C preferred ? | 06:10 |
| psycho_oreos | Not a developer myself but I think it all boils down to taste. Qt is being maintained (probably more thoroughly than GTK), as for Python versus C. Python needs to be downloaded separately (iinm) whereas C is both lower level language (thus potentially more faster) and does not need one to download the entire package (unlike Python). | 06:19 |
| psycho_oreos | ~seen freemangordon | 06:23 |
| infobot | freemangordon <~freemango@130-204-50-168.2074221835.ddns.cablebg.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 5h 25m 54s ago, saying: 'the payments'. | 06:23 |
| psycho_oreos | hmm.. DocScrutinizer05 ping | 06:26 |
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| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, thanks for your response. my libpulseaudio and my pulseaudio version reports: 0.9.15-1maemo44+0m5+0cssu4. At the time when it uses major CPU I stopped the process which worked but whenever I {re}started the process it would go back up to 100% CPU usage. Anyhow the issue seems to be solved when I rebooted the device. | 12:15 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: hmm, you did a system upgrade without a reboot? | 12:16 |
| psycho_oreos | At the time I was using fapman (Faster APplication MANager), wondering if there's another GUI frontend package manager I should use in the future if not fapman. Hildon application manager is very laggy for my needs but if that's the only choice then I may stick with it. | 12:16 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, at the time yes. | 12:17 |
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| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: HAM, this is waht MUST be used. period | 12:17 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, hmm bummer alright I'll use that next time when there's new CSSU testing/stable releases available. Thanks. | 12:17 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: BTW the reason why it was using 100%: | 12:18 |
| * psycho_oreos just finds the lag unbearable with HAM, takes about a good ~2 minutes worth of lag before it shows list of packages that are available for upgrade. | 12:18 | |
| freemangordon | Updated pulseaudio binary was started, but the already running processes were using the old libpulse ;) | 12:19 |
| psycho_oreos | ohh, trivial error so it seems :/ oh well. | 12:19 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: disable extras-devel repo | 12:19 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: and whaterver repos you don;t need | 12:19 |
| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, alright I'll do that now, and maybe keep fapman access to extras-devel? :) I still like to see what's new (even though chances of seeing new stuff is rare). | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: yep, that might work | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | psycho_oreos: but once you have extras-testing and -devel disabled, you'll see that HAM is not that bad | 12:21 |
| freemangordon | s/but/and/ | 12:21 |
| infobot | freemangordon meant: psycho_oreos: and once you have extras-testing and -devel disabled, you'll see that HAM is not that bad | 12:21 |
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| psycho_oreos | freemangordon, well yeah I recall awhile ago HAM wasn't all that slow when extras-devel enabled. That was a good while ago now I suppose. | 12:22 |
| * psycho_oreos now waits for HAM to load up properly before being able to disable un-needed repositories. | 12:28 | |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hack: disable internet connectivity - should speed up the display of catalogs massively | 13:00 |
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| fw190 | freemangordon: ping | 18:17 |
| freemangordon | fw190: pong | 18:17 |
| fw190 | how are things in Sofia? better? No info here in POland | 18:18 |
| freemangordon | fw190: the same, we are continuing with the demonstrations, the government makes stupid thing every day. No change:D | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | *things | 18:19 |
| fw190 | freemangordon: SNAFU all the time ;) | 18:19 |
| freemangordon | yeah :D | 18:19 |
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| fw190 | is thumb disabled? Or can I install it? | 18:20 |
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| freemangordon | fw190: disable? why is that? | 18:23 |
| freemangordon | disabled even | 18:23 |
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| fw190 | well yesterday I installed latest T | 18:28 |
| fw190 | and decided to giv thumb a try | 18:29 |
| fw190 | but ended with a reflash | 18:29 |
| freemangordon | strange | 18:29 |
| fw190 | there was no info that a new system update is ready | 18:29 |
| fw190 | just a few packages | 18:30 |
| fw190 | to update and I acted like an idiot and upgraded them | 18:30 |
| fw190 | which made me reflash ;) | 18:30 |
| freemangordon | oh, i see :) | 18:30 |
| fw190 | I think that I will wait for the nex big Thumb | 18:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm forwarding an info from iDont here, since I think it's relevant:<iDont> And re: busybox-power and the CSSU: I'm not sure whether busybox-power's goals are compatible with CSSU's. It remains unclear to me whether CSSU's scope includes major version bumped (i.e. 1.10 -> 1.21) and (via compile-time options) feature-enriched software. If not, then breaking apart something that works right now and is opt-in seems silly to me. To be | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honest, I myself am just fine with the way busybox-power currently is. Feel free to quote this. | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wholeheartedly concur | 19:12 |
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