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| DocScrutinizer05 | ,indeed | 00:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | weird problem | 00:23 |
| jsfrk | argh I've messed with MyDocs earlier today (cleanup dirs etc.) after formating it works | 00:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, microB downloads files to MyDocs iirc | 00:25 |
| jsfrk | meh too much strange dirs so I rm'ed them and did not though that maemo lives there | 00:26 |
| jsfrk | as for user data etc.. | 00:26 |
| jsfrk | i thought that there are MY data :) | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so when you click the (incredibly non-intuitive) CSSU-S/T banner at top of cssu wiki page, the browser tries to download the .install file, and stalls due to MyDocs can't write it | 00:26 |
| jsfrk | anyway thank you all for help | 00:26 |
| jsfrk | DocScrutinizer05: exactly | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jsfrk: see: | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~optification | 00:28 |
| infobot | optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" | 00:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the long link/URL in the middle already gives it away | 00:28 |
| jsfrk | thanks, i'll read it | 00:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | LOL >>User might see your files, can get confused and try to delete or rename them.<< | 00:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if microB developers ever have read that part | 00:36 | |
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| kerio | by the way, has anyone ever managed to upload a file via microb? | 00:38 |
| jsfrk | so now I installed CSSU using microB etc.. but again I gets rebootloops, it makes it to gui, then loads some widgets, refresh gui for few times and goes to reboot | 00:46 |
| jsfrk | is there a way how to completely wipe the phone ? | 00:46 |
| * jsfrk googling hard | 00:47 | |
| kerio | ~flashing | 00:50 |
| infobot | well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:50 |
| jsfrk | will it wipe ~ and MyDocs ? | 00:53 |
| jsfrk | i got it thanks | 00:56 |
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| Drathir | ~ping | 13:51 |
| infobot | ~pong | 13:51 |
| Drathir | ~flashing | 13:51 |
| infobot | methinks maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 13:51 |
| Drathir | good that here avaible... | 13:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | to all devels: | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could you pretty please have a look into apt-cache and, on apt-cahe policy (et al), make it print the *whole* URL of the repository? It can't be a complicated patch, probably not taking longer than 30min, incl packaging and uploading to repo | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I even would do it myself if I had a working sb environment here | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the overhead to install sb is factors larger than the patch itself | 14:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you insist, I could point you to the exact source lines that need edits, as well as the type of edit it takes | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I guess that's an insult for any of you | 14:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 14:35 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: extras-devel.merlin1991.at community-testing.merlin1991.at | 15:08 |
| merlin1991 | huh | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed huh? | 15:08 |
| kerio | apt-cache policy prints the repos' domains | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: what you're trying to tell me? | 15:09 |
| kerio | i'm giving you a temporary workaround | 15:09 |
| kerio | i'm sorry, i won't do it anymore | 15:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | temporary workaround for what? how? | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and you're doing what anymore? | 15:10 |
| kerio | those are almost mirrors of extras-devel and community-testing | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you honestly lost me completely | 15:10 |
| kerio | and they'll let you identify the repo a package is from because the domain is different | 15:11 |
| kerio | in the output of apt-cache policy | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't help me usually | 15:11 |
| kerio | hm, why? | 15:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy wireless-tools | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wireless-tools: | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5 | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Candidate: 30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5 | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Version table: | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *** 30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5 0 | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 15:12 |
| kerio | oh, you want to know if it's ssu or apps | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or tools, like here | 15:12 |
| kerio | wait, tools? | 15:12 |
| kerio | isn't that on rmo? | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Wireless_Tools | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation | 15:13 |
| kerio | ...so it *is* rmo | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seriously? | 15:14 |
| kerio | deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed :-o | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so wtf told me that apt-cache then? | 15:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | see how urgently it needs a patch? | 15:15 |
| kerio | it's on both dmncs and on fremantle/tools | 15:15 |
| kerio | and it's the same package down to md5sum | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks for pointing me at that detail that I missed | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | however the root issue is about apt-cache | 15:17 |
| kerio | it's not apt's fault that nokia botched the repositories badly | 15:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it does some insane filtering/cropping on URL that probably just needs to get commented out | 15:18 |
| kerio | you do multiple repositories by having multiple distributions, not by changing directory | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I do nothing | 15:18 |
| kerio | nokia did rmo like that | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-cache does too much | 15:18 |
| kerio | and we can't change it | 15:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we can change apt-cache | 15:19 |
| kerio | go ahead then | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is what I asked for | 15:19 |
| kerio | apt feels like the kind of thing that's an absolute hell to change | 15:19 |
| kerio | unless you know the whole design | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nonsense | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MohammadAG changed apt-get to kick out some nokia-borne botch | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess patching apt-get is way easier even than apt-get | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess patching apt-cache is way easier even than apt-get | 15:21 |
| kerio | hm, i wonder if this new rcS-late will fuck up my boot | 15:23 |
| kerio | also, i wonder if /etc/event.d/rcS-late.dpkg-old will fuck the boot process up | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | any bogus files in /etc/event.d sound like a pretty bad idea | 15:25 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: kicking out the nokia bits was easy | 15:25 |
| merlin1991 | because the nokia source was an upstream tarball + patches | 15:26 |
| merlin1991 | remove one patch and you kicked stuff out clean :) | 15:26 |
| merlin1991 | hm actually in the case of apt it was a configure flag: cd build && CXXFLAGS="$(confcxxflags)" ../configure --disable-block-hidden $(confflags) | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: grepping the source for the string "Version table:" should yield some rough location of where to do that probably 2char patch | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | // | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: could you point me to a URL where apt-cache source is available online so I don't have to git pull it or whatever? | 15:36 |
| merlin1991 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/trees/master ;) | 15:39 |
| merlin1991 | and if you want it locally, there is a download master as tar.gz button on the right | 15:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thanks | 15:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/blobs/master/cmdline/apt-cache.cc#line1603 | 15:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/blobs/master/cmdline/apt-cache.cc#line1619 is the line that does the print | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Indx->Describe(true).c_str()); | 15:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and aiui http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/apt/blobs/master/cmdline/apt-cache.cc#line1615 SrcList->FindIndex(VF.File(),Indx is what populates Indx | 15:53 |
| kerio | ah fuck it didn't | 15:57 |
| kerio | i mean, it did | 15:57 |
| kerio | this fucking shit right here | 15:58 |
| kerio | it's a package known to cause problems | 15:58 |
| kerio | but noooooooo | 15:58 |
| kerio | let's leave it in | 15:58 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: wth you on about? | 15:59 |
| kerio | system-services | 15:59 |
| kerio | fucking up my boot | 16:00 |
| merlin1991 | when will you learn to dpkg-diver changes to files that have been packaged? | 16:02 |
| merlin1991 | *dpkg-divert* | 16:02 |
| kerio | dpkg-divert doesn't work correctly for configuration files | 16:02 |
| kerio | it leaves shit around | 16:02 |
| kerio | and i told the new system-services to not generate fstab | 16:03 |
| kerio | and it's not generated | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | but did you keep your old fstab though? | 16:03 |
| kerio | yeah, it's not generated anymore | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can any of you tell me why we messed with this already fubar fstab generation? | 16:05 |
| kerio | well, i don't quite know how to fix this | 16:06 |
| kerio | ok, restored the old rcS-late | 16:09 |
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| kerio | alright, the old rcS-late makes it work | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wouldn't the only correct way to touch such stuff (when touching it at all) be to ask in /etc/sysconfig (or whatever) whether to keep the classic way to autogenerate fstab on each boot, or not touch fstab at all? | 16:10 |
| kerio | no no, you don't get it | 16:10 |
| kerio | the new rcS-late is supposed to handle that | 16:10 |
| kerio | and it kinda does | 16:11 |
| kerio | but there's some problem, and it doesn't work correctly | 16:11 |
| kerio | the idea and design are sound | 16:11 |
| kerio | it's configurable via a file in /etc/ | 16:11 |
| kerio | and it's fstype-agnostic | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't see the problem from a inserted line if ! [ -f /etc/dont-touch-fstab ]; then... | 16:12 |
| kerio | it's a bigger change | 16:12 |
| kerio | it also handles, in theory, different filesystem types | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's beyond the top | 16:13 |
| kerio | no it's not, it's perfectly doable | 16:13 |
| kerio | and if you don't do that, it's simply useless to allow a static fstab | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's nonsense | 16:13 |
| kerio | because 90% of people who'll use it want to do so to use a different fs | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so what? | 16:14 |
| kerio | so, if you have to manually change rcS-late to do so, you might as well also manually disable the fstab generation | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | do they need friggin automatism to detect what fs they manually installed on their MyDocs? | 16:14 |
| kerio | no, but it doesn't require home to be ext3 and mydocs to be vfat | 16:15 |
| kerio | it just rolls with whatever fstab says | 16:15 |
| kerio | unlike the stock rcS-late | 16:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, then where's the problem? | 16:15 |
| kerio | the problem is that it doesn't work :3 | 16:15 |
| kerio | and diagnosing boot issues is a PITA | 16:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg, a "mount -a" fails? | 16:16 |
| kerio | it wants to do the nokia thing and check that home is mounted rw and not ro | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if [ -f /etc/dont-touch-fstab ]; then mount -a; else ... <do what you did since maemo3> | 16:17 |
| kerio | also, you meant `mount /home && swapon -a` | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the check for home being mounted r/w and not r/o has to go after the "fi" if above if's else branch | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Of* above if's... | 16:25 |
| kerio | i see a lot of talking and not a lot of .diffs | 16:30 |
| kerio | don't steal my style | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 16:34 |
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| ketil_k | Hello | 22:27 |
| ketil_k | I installed cssu testing on maemo PR1.3.1, but didn't understand how to do it correctly so now I have a desktop that is stuck at a wrong zoom level and which every widget stacks upon each others so I can't really start anything | 22:30 |
| ketil_k | never mind, I will try restoring the rootfs with backupmenu. Forgot about that possibility | 22:31 |
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| merlin1991 | ketil_k: the wiki clearly states that you have to rearrange the desktop widgets once | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | regarding zoom level, we took that functionality out, it can? not happen | 23:23 |
| ketil_k | The problem was that I was not able to do the rearrangements | 23:23 |
| ketil_k | Maybe zoom was wrong | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | did the desktop stay in the middle like zoomed out? | 23:23 |
| merlin1991 | with black space around it? | 23:23 |
| ketil_k | Yes with black space | 23:23 |
| ketil_k | The part of the top bar that could start applications was not reachable | 23:24 |
| merlin1991 | if it wawsw like http://cdnm.at/~christian/maemo/cssu/Screenshot-20130609-230706.png | 23:24 |
| ketil_k | I restored my backup and try again now | 23:24 |
| merlin1991 | then you could reach it only the zone to press is the original one | 23:24 |
| merlin1991 | a simple reboot fixed it for me when that happened | 23:24 |
| ketil_k | No it wasn't like that. Everything was stacked on top of each other so I could do nothing | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | the stacked thing is a nother story :) | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | I'm just talking about the zoom | 23:25 |
| merlin1991 | so in other words a reboot + rearranging of your icons after that should have fixed everything | 23:26 |
| ketil_k | I hope it works better this time. | 23:26 |
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| merlin1991 | o_O Mag is in | 23:26 |
| merlin1991 | hey there MohammadAG :) | 23:27 |
| ketil_k | I could not open any terminals and even though I managed to connect to the network I didn't get any ssh-connection so I couldn't do anything at all from any user interface. Anyway, if it works this time then it was probably a broken install. | 23:28 |
| merlin1991 | nah it's rather a hiccup in the graphics driver / hildon-desktop, it happens once upon a time | 23:29 |
| merlin1991 | did for me about a week ago | 23:29 |
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| ketil_k | This time the device is normal. I now understand that I installed too much too soon the last time. | 23:41 |
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