| eddyb | sorry for the localized unix | 00:00 |
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| eddyb | -r--r--r-- 1 root root 2,0G iun 9 00:01 home_part.orig | 00:03 |
| eddyb | that should stop me from wrecking the original | 00:03 |
| eddyb | o_O | 00:05 |
| eddyb | Pali: there's a lot of stuff in lost+found | 00:06 |
| Pali | eddyb: this is what fsck found | 00:06 |
| eddyb | it's like random directories | 00:07 |
| Pali | if you want paths for something maemo special, ask... | 00:07 |
| eddyb | too bad they're listed by inode, kinda hard to figure where everything belongs | 00:07 |
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| eddyb | Pali: can I get the original from somewhere? | 00:09 |
| eddyb | I'm tempted to write a script that matches partial trees from lost+found | 00:09 |
| eddyb | oh dammit there's a lot of android stuff mixed in | 00:09 |
| Pali | eddyb: not, because fsck was not able to get where was inode... | 00:09 |
| eddyb | I mean original partition, vanilla | 00:10 |
| Drathir | Pali: how about package "recorvery mode", also good to be installed ? | 00:11 |
| eddyb | Pali: at least I have a programming challenge :P | 00:12 |
| Drathir | eddyb: android stuff? | 00:12 |
| eddyb | from NITdroid | 00:12 |
| eddyb | in /home | 00:13 |
| Pali | Drathir: it is bootmenu entry for classic linux console recovery mode | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: I've tested what freemangordon built and uploaded to the server, that worked which patch are you talking about? | 00:13 |
| Pali | but for this is needed kernel-power | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | and please again for me the problem/situation with osso-af-utils | 00:13 |
| Pali | merlin1991: yes, freemangordon builded upstart with my patches | 00:13 |
| eddyb | am I right in thinking the fact that lost+found contains a lot of stuff, there's nothing left to fix, but look in lost+found? | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | it works on my device with sd inserted | 00:13 |
| Drathir | eddyb: oh i see , can i ask about experience of using NIDroid? | 00:14 |
| Pali | merlin1991: more packages was updated to use /var/... instead calling getbootstate. one of these packages was dsme | 00:14 |
| Drathir | NITdroid* | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | but /var/... is generated? | 00:14 |
| Pali | and I think it is not good idea to update only one package which using that from /var/... | 00:14 |
| eddyb | Drathir: I can't install chrome because it's gingerbread | 00:14 |
| Pali | yet that file in /var/.... is generated in /sbin/preinit | 00:15 |
| eddyb | OMG | 00:15 |
| Pali | s/yet/yes/ | 00:15 |
| infobot | Pali meant: yes that file in /var/.... is generated in /sbin/preinit | 00:15 |
| eddyb | Pali: I found /user/home | 00:15 |
| eddyb | err /home/user | 00:15 |
| Pali | eddyb :-) | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: well when we talked about what goes into this cssu release nobody said anything of osso-af-utils and ke-recv :/ | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | I've built this release based on that information | 00:16 |
| eddyb | Pali: although it's missing some things | 00:16 |
| Pali | merlin1991: I do not remember but problem with this CSSU-T update was that it was late and it contains a lot of patches and I forget what was included here... | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | true | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | the time between this and the last update, and the time it took me to get it together was quite a bit :/ | 00:17 |
| Pali | and so maybe I forgot to tell you about ke-recv or osso-af-utils... | 00:17 |
| Pali | at least, now I have that script which print version of all packages in git, devel, testing and stable repos | 00:18 |
| Pali | so we can look what is missing in devel or testing | 00:18 |
| Pali | and not to forget something to push | 00:19 |
| eddyb | Pali: where's var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb placed? | 00:19 |
| Pali | ~#maemo cssu-state is http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/cssu-state.sh | 00:19 |
| infobot | Pali: okay | 00:19 |
| Pali | eddyb: in MyDocs/.apt... or in /opt somewhere... | 00:20 |
| eddyb | derp | 00:20 |
| eddyb | I think this is /opt | 00:20 |
| eddyb | but I'm not sure | 00:20 |
| eddyb | #90113 | 00:21 |
| Pali | in MyDocs I have (or had) some .apt* dirs | 00:22 |
| eddyb | it's not that | 00:22 |
| merlin1991 | there are some cache dirs from apt-worker there afaik | 00:22 |
| merlin1991 | ie. .apt-archive-cache | 00:22 |
| eddyb | Pali: I guess I'll grab a fresh partition, and try to combine those files with the few in lost+found | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: PR is out there, more or less | 00:24 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: not like I'm the pr man, you have way more interaction with the community than me ;) | 00:25 |
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| eddyb | lol | 00:34 |
| eddyb | Pali: there's something left in /home | 00:35 |
| eddyb | although I'm not sure if it's some kind of skelly or left from before | 00:35 |
| eddyb | ./user/.modest/cache/mail/imap/edy.burt__imap.gmail.com_993/ | 00:37 |
| eddyb | hah, that's still there | 00:37 |
| eddyb | Pali: I would just remove lost+found from the real partition, put vanilla stuff in, and see how it boots then | 00:40 |
| eddyb | is that a good plan? | 00:40 |
| Pali | no, your fs is really corrupted and I suggest you to do full reflash | 00:41 |
| eddyb | hmm | 00:41 |
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| Pali | in case you have working rootfs, full reflash is: flash vanilla and then flash combined image | 00:42 |
| Pali | this will erase and reformat everything in device | 00:42 |
| Pali | also MyDocs! | 00:42 |
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| eddyb | what if I take the clean partition, loopback mount it, copy the few things I didn't lose from /home, fsck on my laptop, then dd that back in the device? | 00:43 |
| eddyb | I'd rather not touch MyDocs :S | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and keep a backup of any files in /home/user/* and /home/user/MyDocs/* | 00:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fsck yields poor results usually | 00:44 |
| eddyb | I already have the entire /home partition. maybe I should write a script to backup everything in MyDocs but the biggest things (evopedia english wikipedia and kde4) | 00:44 |
| Pali | eddyb: backup also MyDocs | 00:45 |
| Pali | and rather do full reflash, fsck not working ideally and correctly | 00:45 |
| eddyb | I mean fsck on a simple file | 00:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can access MyDocs via mass storage mode | 00:45 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer05: he using my bootmenu which export full eMMC via mass storage (also /home) for backup | 00:45 |
| eddyb | and I said that just to make sure it was perfectly clean when I put it back in | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even better | 00:46 |
| eddyb | wouldn't bootmenu let me write a different /home partition? | 00:46 |
| eddyb | like a clean one+some of my files that I didn't lose? | 00:46 |
| eddyb | I'd rather have that than nuke the entire phone. | 00:47 |
| Drathir | my MyDocs after crash and readonly mode works but can crash in anytime :p better do full and dont loose your data... | 00:47 |
| eddyb | what does MyDocs have to do with anything? | 00:47 |
| eddyb | it's not like it's dirty now | 00:47 |
| eddyb | I wouldn't mind replacing /home then doing a root reflash, but without MyDocs | 00:48 |
| eddyb | what's in /home/opt that would be modified by cssu-thumb and/or any updates? | 00:49 |
| eddyb | I've seen 5 different places where binaries and libraries can go in maemo, it's crazy :( | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | eddyb: when you flash rootfs an huge bunch of stuff goes to /opt | 00:52 |
| Drathir | archlinux last update merge all /sbin /usr/sbin /bin to /usr/bin there only big was moved to bigger space... | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | basically on a flashed never booted device /opt is empty | 00:52 |
| merlin1991 | then on first boot it moves stuff over | 00:52 |
| eddyb | merlin1991: so if I change /home then flash, it will ensure it's bootable? | 00:53 |
| eddyb | wait, what's in /home before flashing? | 00:53 |
| eddyb | what you say might make this easier, if I create a clean partition for /home then reflash | 00:54 |
| Drathir | maybe now if nokia allow it should be possible to rearrange space for all directories in new modern way... | 00:54 |
| eddyb | I do have to change /home before reflashing, because I need bootmenu for direct eMMC access. lovely system architecture | 00:54 |
| merlin1991 | Drathir: the main problem is / is on a different physical space than /home | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | and since we need /usr for boot we can't seperate there | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | hence opt was born | 00:55 |
| Drathir | merlin1991: but theoreticaly is possible to resize all default partitions if permissin was granted officially? | 00:56 |
| eddyb | officially? | 00:57 |
| eddyb | you could probably do it yourself | 00:57 |
| eddyb | merlin1991: but why is there a / and a /home partition? | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | eddyb / is on one physical flash device and /home and MyDocs are on the other device | 00:58 |
| eddyb | oh, nvm | 00:58 |
| eddyb | what's that for? speed? | 01:02 |
| eddyb | and why couldn't more stuff be permanently mounted in /whatever on another partition? | 01:03 |
| merlin1991 | who knows, ask nokia :D | 01:03 |
| merlin1991 | well I guess their idea was to keep the essential system on the / device and only move user programs to /opt | 01:03 |
| merlin1991 | you know the emergency call guidline, it just has to work in the worst conditions, even without /opt | 01:04 |
| eddyb | is that sarcastic? | 01:04 |
| eddyb | emergency call wouldn't work on my N900 with /home half-fucked | 01:05 |
| merlin1991 | and it actually does, I had a device where the flash for /opt broke, it still booted and I could make calls, only without /opt (that flash also has swap on it) everything else was basically useless | 01:05 |
| merlin1991 | but it does boot into maemo and you can use the caller without /home and /opt and no swap | 01:05 |
| eddyb | can you read the text? | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | hm? | 01:06 |
| eddyb | text on screen. is it readable? | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | themes are on /usr/share which is part of / | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | so yes | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | it looks okay, only when you start touching stuff shit goes south | 01:06 |
| eddyb | that sounds like it works better than mine | 01:06 |
| merlin1991 | like open microb --> insufficient memory program "internet" has ben aborted was the most fun bit | 01:07 |
| eddyb | I just remembered this, why does maemo shut down if I kill browser(d)? | 01:07 |
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| merlin1991 | because browsered is goverend by dsme since it's boost started | 01:08 |
| merlin1991 | and if you kill stuff that is under dsmes area it thinks the device is malfunctioning and reboots | 01:08 |
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| merlin1991 | makes not that much sense for the browser though | 01:08 |
| eddyb | idea: instead of having everything in /home, move it to /user_partition or something like that and then mount /home, /opt, parts of /usr and whatever else you want. also, for crying out loud, decide on a sane directory layout, right now it's splattered | 01:08 |
| eddyb | merlin1991: oh dear that's smart | 01:08 |
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| merlin1991 | eddyb: well the bindmount of /home/opt to /opt has one advantage though | 01:09 |
| merlin1991 | you don't run into problems where there is space in /home but none in /opt | 01:09 |
| eddyb | it's not bad in theory, but it looks like a bad hack | 01:10 |
| eddyb | (the way it's implemented, that is) | 01:10 |
| eddyb | I'm curious, what's in the original /home partition? | 01:10 |
| Drathir | for me most missing thing is ultra lightweight browser like opera/ucweb java versions... | 01:10 |
| kerio | opera mobile is kinda like that | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | eddyb: afaik the pr 1.1.1 was just a resize of the MyDocs parition to make space for opt | 01:11 |
| Drathir | kerio: yea but is still too big and slow | 01:12 |
| eddyb | but is there anything in /home? | 01:12 |
| eddyb | if I do the full reflash | 01:12 |
| eddyb | I feel like I should just reformat to a clean partition via YaST and copy some of the config files in | 01:14 |
| eddyb | then do a simple root reflash | 01:14 |
| Drathir | i have compare and remember when i go from symbian to n900 yes opera mobile have more abilities but i missing for fast reading and search things on web... and compresion of content was also much more because data was rendered by server side... | 01:15 |
| eddyb | hmm, is it possible the microb cache overflowed and I had no space left in /home? | 01:18 |
| eddyb | and then a random reboot made the old fsck get to work and screw up | 01:19 |
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| Drathir | eddyb: microb if good remember have limit in config | 01:41 |
| eddyb | oh, yeah, nvm | 01:42 |
| Drathir | that is started opera memory usage http://pastebin.com/aUhXHV1X | 01:42 |
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| freemangordon | 00:25 <merlin1991> freemangordon: not like I'm the pr man, you have way more interaction with the community than me ;) | 02:47 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: well, you are supposed to be, being a member of the HFC, MCC and CSSU ,maintainer ;) | 02:48 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: people like to hear from "the officials" you know | 02:49 |
| freemangordon | and /me is sick of playing CSSU PR guy :( | 02:49 |
| merlin1991 | how come? | 02:52 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: come on, everytime when there is someting screwed in CSSU it is me to play the PR, check the thread on TMO | 02:54 |
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| Drathir | mornin | 12:21 |
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| peterpark | I just reflashed my n900 with RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and want to install CSSU/testing, however I tried it yesterday twice and always after invoking cssu-enabler and downloading approx. 43 MB the HAM installer said "installation package could not be found" | 16:20 |
| peterpark | cssu/stable is installed fine :( | 16:21 |
| tadzik | there've been some problems recently with a broken cssu-testing install, maybe what you encounter is one of the hotfixes the cssu team implemented | 16:24 |
| tadzik | you'd be better of waiting patiently for now, sorry for the inconvenience | 16:24 |
| tadzik | well, if that sounded like I'm one the ones responsible, I'm not :) | 16:26 |
| peterpark | @tadzik: OK then I have to wait. | 16:35 |
| peterpark | But the procedure would be fine? just install CSSU as first thing into a fresh flashed phone? | 16:36 |
| peterpark | Or do I need kernel power or somethiong else before? | 16:36 |
| merlin1991 | peterpark: the procedure is fine | 16:37 |
| peterpark | thx | 16:37 |
| merlin1991 | but because we have a reboot loop we pulled the metapackage, which yields that result | 16:37 |
| merlin1991 | but in about 5 hours I'll be home and publish a fixed release :) | 16:37 |
| peterpark | ahh i suffered froim rebootr loop too.. now it is clear.. | 16:40 |
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| Estel^ | sorry if it's thing known already, but just in case no one cared - I wonde,r if our belowed management is awar,e that autobuilder is stuck for almsot a week now? | 20:44 |
| Estel^ | almost, even | 20:44 |
| Estel^ | you're probably aware already, but it wouldn't be first case for me to report some obvious things, and become surprised, by realizing that I'm actually first to do so... | 20:45 |
| * Estel^ waves | 20:45 | |
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| peterpark | is there somewhere a notification when cssu/testing is available again? How can I check for it? | 22:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991 will drop a note here | 23:00 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 23:00 |
| merlin1991 | I'm currently working on it | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991 you ever thought of us now actaully having a means to find out about number of cssu installations? | 23:02 |
| merlin1991 | well we have the stage web logs | 23:02 |
| merlin1991 | we just have to grep fro dl of the new mp | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 23:03 |
| merlin1991 | should looosly fit to the number of devices that installed it | 23:03 |
| merlin1991 | could be intresting | 23:03 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | do you know what exactly mr E*_ meant ? | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~dict belowed | 23:06 |
| infobot | could not find definition for belowed | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and who the fuck is "management"? | 23:07 |
| merlin1991 | he probably meant "bleoved" | 23:09 |
| merlin1991 | err "beloved" | 23:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, "autobuilder is stuck" is about as helpful and detailed an error report as "New York is defect" would be | 23:17 |
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| merlin1991 | okay new -testing is out | 23:20 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: in the repo? | 23:20 |
| merlin1991 | no I hid it secretly on a flash drive in vienna ;) | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | come on, it could be in testing-testing | 23:21 |
| freemangordon | ok, going to try it | 23:22 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the software, it no worky! | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ORLY | 23:22 |
| merlin1991 | hm totally forgot this on friday | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, we found a few rusty bits in sector 523648583 already | 23:23 |
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| merlin1991 | damn | 23:23 |
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| fw190 | merlin1991: T8.1 works! thank you and Pali and freemangordon for fixing it | 23:39 |
| Pali | ok | 23:39 |
| tadzik | testing too | 23:40 |
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| freemangordon | updated fine here (devel device) | 23:50 |
| freemangordon | though the device was on -thumb, so not much of a things were updated | 23:51 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: I've even update community-light ;) | 23:59 |
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