IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Sunday, 2012-12-23

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freemangordon~seen arcean13:14
infobotarcean <~arcean@aaes41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 2d 10h 2m 35s ago, saying: 'yeah, it good time for bed :)'.13:14
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LaoLang_coolwhy isn't there a changelog for Tmaemo66?13:48
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keriomerlin1991: new testing release pls13:54
DocScrutinizer51LaoLang_cool: because you're looking at a read-only location13:54
DocScrutinizer51check out tmo13:55
LaoLang_coolDocScrutinizer51: where can I read the latest changelog?13:55
DocScrutinizer51tmo13:55
DocScrutinizer51and probably on merlin's server too13:55
LaoLang_coolI find that it hasn't updated for a long time after Tmaemo6 was released13:55
DocScrutinizer51sorry, you lost me on that one13:56
DocScrutinizer51t6 is less than a month old iirc13:57
LaoLang_coolYes :)13:57
LaoLang_coolIs the post this one? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=6790513:57
DocScrutinizer51and iirc merlin1991 published the changelog of t6 before rollout13:58
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kerioDocScrutinizer51: well, a month is a long time14:01
kerioespecially considering the minor problems in hildon-desktop that are fixed in the current -devel14:01
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freemangordonwell, merlin1991 said he'll push a new update this weekend14:30
keriobut... it's sunday!14:38
freemangordonI know14:39
LaoLang_coollol14:39
freemangordonbut... it's still weekend :)14:39
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DocScrutinizer51you could argue this is a loooong weekend til next newyear14:44
DocScrutinizer51I'm way more concerned about Stable14:45
DocScrutinizer51feels like we haven't seen new S release since half a year14:46
DocScrutinizer51a tad too much of a quarantine period14:47
LaoLang_coolYes!14:47
LaoLang_coolI'm using stable14:47
DocScrutinizer51WOOOHOOO some real existring S user14:47
DocScrutinizer51dang!!!! Smaemo4.114:49
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LaoLang_cool!14:58
LaoLang_cool:)14:58
LaoLang_coolThough I always can't notice any difference bwtween versions of stable14:59
keriothat's the point15:00
keriocssu stable should be indistinguishable from stock15:00
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freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: yeah. And I wonder how we'll get out of that situation now chem|st is appointed as TMO admin15:28
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: that's why we originally got 3 maintainers for 2 repos17:16
merlin1991kerio: guess what I'm doing atm17:16
DocScrutinizer05ohaimerlin17:16
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DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: chem|st does not full admin job on tmo either. He's just doing what he did so far, just with a tad more power. Plus keeping an eye on syslogs17:17
keriomerlin1991: browsing reddit?17:18
DocScrutinizer05basically he's not sysop but supermod17:18
DocScrutinizer05system admin has to be somebody else17:18
DocScrutinizer05that's been my main argument why tmo MUST consolidate on the common maemo.org infra17:18
DocScrutinizer05we need one professional admin anyway17:19
merlin1991kerio: nope.jpg, building T717:19
DocScrutinizer05that admin will not have much more trouble when there's a tmo VM on same iron17:19
kerio:D17:20
DocScrutinizer05jusz keep track off 16 instead of 15 syslogs17:20
merlin1991and starting to really really hate this friggin KDE here17:20
DocScrutinizer05just keep track of 16 instead of 15 syslogs17:20
DocScrutinizer05do system updates on one system more, so what. we already got another ~8 similar ones17:21
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merlin1991arcean: ping17:22
arceanmerlin1991: pong17:23
merlin1991I just read the merge request again, what did you  improve on the blacklist whitelist system again?17:23
DocScrutinizer05lemme toss around some ballpark numbers, based on handwaving: admin of one dedicated server=100%.17:23
DocScrutinizer05admin of 2 identical dedi servers: 130%17:24
DocScrutinizer05admin of 3 identical dedi servers: 140%17:24
DocScrutinizer05admin of 2 identical dedi servers plus one VM: 160%17:25
DocScrutinizer05admin of 2 identical dedi servers plus 8 VM: 200%17:25
DocScrutinizer05if those figures hold true by any amount, you see there's no use in cutting down in services too much. But it makes a friggin lot of sense to consolidate and keep stuff uniform17:26
DocScrutinizer05since admin of 2 dedi servers in two locations: 210%17:27
merlin1991gitorious seems to be in holiday mode17:27
merlin1991nothing works for me :/17:27
arceanmerlin1991: a couple of performance changes + possibility to whitelist dialog windows17:28
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arceanmerlin1991: updated merge request fixes https://bugs.maemo.org/1258617:29
povbotBug 12586: Status area dialogs force landscape mode when an application is active17:29
merlin1991arcean: did you fix something in libmatchbox?17:29
arceanhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libmatchbox2/commit/5ff6d73a67f4de96f1c9038690528b9134383ea217:30
merlin1991arcean: updated when?17:30
arcean14th december17:30
merlin1991okay, me goes to build libmatchbox first :)17:30
arceanok17:30
arceanyou have to build and install updated libmatchbox before building hildon-desktop17:31
arcean:P17:31
merlin1991yep building blew up into my face in the dependency stage :D17:32
arceanhehe17:32
DocScrutinizer05gnhnhnhn17:32
freemangordonarcean: https://gitorious.org/~arcean/community-ssu/arcean-hildon-desktop/commit/b6bcbec89d20af5777a9c166489445407d7fd2d717:32
freemangordonwhy is that?17:32
arceanyeah17:33
freemangordonarcean: esp line 460017:33
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arceanfreemangordon: let's assume you have an app with settings page, where you can change app's screen orientation17:33
freemangordonok17:34
arceanwhen you change screen orientation (in app settings) from auto or portrait to landscape and go to the task nav17:34
arceanthe thumb is not updated17:34
merlin1991arcean: you didn't bump the version number :/17:34
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: from my above comments you see you should ask: where T F is MohammadAG?17:35
DocScrutinizer05since he's still main responsible maintainer of T17:36
arceanmerlin1991: :/ in matchbox package?17:36
merlin1991yep17:36
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: no. for too long time, it does not worth my breath anymore :(17:36
arceanI've raised it to 0.2.92-117:36
merlin19910.2.92-1+0m5 is the stock version, and your source goes 0.2.92-117:36
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: ack17:36
arceandamn17:36
DocScrutinizer05so we need to address that issue17:37
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: :nod:17:37
DocScrutinizer05since we want to avoid burnuts17:37
DocScrutinizer05burn-outs17:37
freemangordonarcean: but why "|| STATE_IS_APP (hd_render_manager_get_state ()))"?17:37
arceanfreemangordon: I've encountered this issue with OMP and updated Qt17:37
freemangordonthat one will prevent thumb being redrawn17:38
freemangordonarcean: iirc17:38
arceanfreemangordon: the function is called when the window's flag has been changed17:38
freemangordonarcean: I know, I wrote that function :D17:38
freemangordonand its purpose is - if an application decides to rotate while we are in tasknav, we should reflect that change17:39
arceanso when the user changes the app's screen orientation, the window's portrait flag is also updated17:39
merlin1991arcean: I'm fixing the verison numbers17:40
arceanand without "STATE_IS_APP" the thumb won't be updated17:40
freemangordonarcean: what? why?17:40
freemangordonwhy portrait flag is updated?17:40
freemangordonI mean, it is up to the application to update it, not h-d's job AIUI17:40
arceanfreemangordon: when you go from auto to landscape, the SUPPORT flag is taken away17:41
freemangordonarcean: aah, I see17:41
arcean(I'm not talking about h-d screen orientation, but about app specific settings)17:41
freemangordonso, the original code was ok only when goping landscape->portrait?17:42
freemangordon*going17:42
freemangordonbut not when portrait->landscape?17:42
arceanlandscape - portrait, landscape - auto, yes17:42
freemangordonok, got it :)17:43
arceanI'm still testing all that stuff17:43
freemangordonarcean: one more thing: why did you exchange rotate/move?17:43
freemangordonoh, scratch that17:44
arceanhmm, where?17:44
merlin1991arcean: I'll raise libmatchbox version to 0.2.92-2+0cssu017:44
freemangordonyou put a space and seems I am blind enough to read it incorrectly :D17:44
arceanmerlin1991: drop 0cssu0 :P17:44
arceanwe're the upstream :D17:44
freemangordonyeah :D17:44
merlin1991ah yeah hd17:45
merlin1991true17:45
arceanall in all, the new Qt fixes: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1262917:45
povbotBug 12629: blacklisting works not as it should17:45
freemangordonyou're not going to put that changes in current -testing, ain't?17:46
freemangordonmerlin1991: ^^^17:46
merlin1991freemangordon: nah qt changes should go -devel first17:47
arceanthere's still a couple of things, which should be updated17:47
merlin1991I'm only including what we talked about last week17:47
freemangordonok17:47
freemangordondon;t forget powerkeymenu17:47
merlin1991I have a list from that meeting ;)17:47
freemangordon:D17:48
merlin1991with additional notes!17:48
freemangordonBTW i hope i'll be ready with tklock by the end of the week17:48
freemangordon(next one)17:48
arceanfreemangordon: it works fine here :)17:49
freemangordonarcean: it works, but have a missing functionality compared to stock17:49
freemangordoni.e. while the screen is dimmed, one should not be able to interact with device by using kbd or screen17:50
freemangordonarcean: you know, there is 2-3 seconds timeout before screen is (auto) turned off17:51
arceanhmm17:52
freemangordonduring this timeout the screen is dimmed, and with stock tklock you can only restore the full brightness by clocking on the screen17:52
freemangordons/clocking/touching/17:53
infobotfreemangordon meant: during this timeout the screen is dimmed, and with stock tklock you can only restore the full brightness by touching on the screen17:53
arceanmakes sense :)17:53
freemangordonreplacement is missing that17:53
freemangordonwell, it is in "stock" branch, but not in the "master"17:53
freemangordontook me a couple of weeks to grok WTF is "event eater" :D:D:D17:55
arceanevent eater? :D wonderful name :D17:56
freemangordonyeah17:56
freemangordonarcean: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-systemui-tklock/blobs/master/include/systemui/tklock-dbus-names.h#line3917:56
arceanhehe17:57
arceanthere's even LPM mode :D17:57
freemangordonyeah17:57
freemangordonthough "no memleak" mode is what I like more than anything else :D17:58
keriofreemangordon: where's my doubletap-to-unlock17:59
freemangordonkerio: you lost it?17:59
keriowell, i don't have it17:59
merlin1991freemangordon: little hint, it never was there on maemo so far ;)17:59
freemangordonmerlin1991: I know, i am kidding kerio18:00
merlin1991damn so much for me trolling you18:00
freemangordon:D18:00
merlin1991also chaning ones email is quite some work, I didn't until now, that I also had it stored as a git setting and in my .bashrc of my scratchbox :D18:01
merlin1991*I didn't realize untill now,*18:01
freemangordonmerlin1991: you;ve changed your email?18:01
merlin1991yep, I'm now avaiable under christian.ratzenhofer@cdnm.at --> my server :)18:01
merlin1991though I still pull mail from the old address in18:02
merlin1991btw my last meeting mail came from the new address afaik18:02
freemangordonaah, yes18:02
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merlin1991now building system-ui de18:06
merlin1991v18:06
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freemangordonnice :)18:06
merlin1991freemangordon: whatabout the cssu tag on osso-systemui-alarm?18:12
freemangordonyou mean it is missing?18:12
merlin1991the version number is only 0.3.318:12
freemangordonwell, add it18:12
merlin1991I have to say I like the systemui packages, they are mean and lean, and don't take over 30 mins to build :D18:14
freemangordon:D18:15
merlin1991and no autotools!18:15
* merlin1991 hates how autotools foobar the source dir18:15
freemangordonthanks to Pali18:15
PaliI hate autohell too :D18:16
merlin1991I can live with cmake, (if the buildscript does a proper out of tree build) but autotools I just hate :D18:17
merlin1991Pali: I just realized that with the rtcom-messaging-ui-portrait packge we override user changed css files, maybe we should ad an md5 check?18:27
Palimerlin1991, we using dpkg-divert18:27
Paliso user file will be diverted18:27
merlin1991Pali: yeah but that diverts away already made changes18:27
keriomerlin1991: yes, they're diverted18:28
kerioaka backupped18:28
merlin1991hm I'll add a notice in the log then about where to find the backup18:28
Palidpkg-divert should be called (to fix problems with postrm script)18:28
Palimerlin1991, so check md5sum after dpkg-divert and then call "mv" or "cp" for restoring18:29
merlin1991so who in here is using ProfilesX ?18:35
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merlin1991freemangordon: I'll need the glibc18:56
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kerioPali: you still haven't removed "meeting" and "outside" from the harmattan profiled18:59
PaliI removed it18:59
Palihttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/profiled/commit/c6f0e5e550252e71ca670f0e9c445ce0e17b79c319:00
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kerioPali: do you reckon it's good enough to add to cssu?19:01
merlin1991hm thought I didn't do the topic yet19:01
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keriofreemangordon: btw, the -thumb repo is still missing the new version of bb-power and openmediaplayer19:45
merlin1991kerio: is there openmediaplay in there already?19:47
keriomerlin1991: the OMP dude made a thumby build19:47
merlin1991with all the right stuff?19:48
keriohuh?19:48
merlin1991proper gcc, ...19:48
keriocompiled with fmg's toolchain, yes19:48
merlin1991hm quoting fmg "@gidzzz - I am all for having extras-thumb, but you should ask merlin1991 for that, -thumb is hosted on his server "20:24
merlin1991(from tmo)20:24
kerioi'm, too, all for having extras-thumb on your server20:24
keriomerlin1991: btw, have you publicized your extras-devel-light repo mirror?20:26
merlin1991well it is public as in it runs on the public end20:26
merlin1991feel free to inform others about it, but I don't feel like posting on tmo and then handling the fallout of people that don't understand the point of it and add it as yet another repo to their list20:27
merlin1991but it even includes a .install file so it should be *easy* to use :)20:28
keriodoes HAM use pdiffs, i wonder?20:28
merlin1991nfc20:29
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DocScrutinizer05>>...add it as yet another repo<< hehe20:54
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DocScrutinizer05"hey! I added fast-repo, faster-repo, and fastest-repo. I even added acme-supadupafast-repo, and still it's slow like hell! what a shit!"20:56
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