IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Wednesday, 2012-12-19

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merlin1991By reading a random blog post I found out win has builtin grep04:51
merlin1991oO04:51
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int_uaI have a core dump from telepathy-ring crash, where should I report it?08:05
DocScrutinizer05bugs.maemo.org08:39
int_uaI thought it was going to die soon08:40
int_uaoh, it's migrating. And it's readonly.. Anyway, I've posted dumps in the KPv51 thread08:42
int_uaAnd while doing it catched browserd crash + hildon-desktop crash. Searching for a hildon-desktop thread...08:42
DocScrutinizer05how's tp-ring related to KP51?08:43
int_uakernel fell along with tp-ring08:45
int_uasimultaneously or right afterwards08:45
DocScrutinizer05o.O08:46
int_uawhy is it strange?08:46
int_uamaybe it's some hardware fault, after all08:49
DocScrutinizer05a) since tp-ring is a userland process that basically is unrelated to kernel, and b) the term "kernel fell" makes me wonder what happened actaully08:49
int_uafrom a user point it freezed for some seconds and rebooted instantly08:49
DocScrutinizer05well, problems with e.g. swap might cause mass madness08:50
DocScrutinizer05yep, this user experience is consistent with a kernel panic08:51
DocScrutinizer05among others08:51
DocScrutinizer05could as well be reboot triggered by watchdog08:51
int_uahow can I diagnose swap problems? I suspect it08:51
DocScrutinizer05dmesg08:51
DocScrutinizer05and kernel panic dumps in /dev/mtdERRR3?08:52
int_uaI check dmesg from time to time but have never noticed anything about swap08:53
kerioit's not something you "notice" in dmesg08:53
int_uakernel panic dumps are included in the oopslogs, aren't they?08:53
kerioit's something that suddenly explodes in your face and takes down everything08:53
DocScrutinizer05install syslog08:53
int_uaok, installing08:53
int_uakerio: and after taking down everything dmesg is clear, yeah?)08:54
DocScrutinizer05install http://maemo.org/packages/view/sp-oops-extract/08:54
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: after reboot that follows kernel panic, dmesg only has megs about reboot since reboot08:55
DocScrutinizer05not of anything before08:55
DocScrutinizer05sp-oops-extract will read out any dump in NAND kernel-panic dump partition08:56
keriodmesg resets on every boot, so yeah08:56
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DocScrutinizer05if you had a kernel panic or kernel oops, it will show up in sp-oops-extract and in syslog if you're lucky08:56
int_ua"sp-oops-extract is already the newest version."08:57
keriosyslog will probably keep the error messages that happened right before the crash08:57
DocScrutinizer05cool08:57
keriowhich is useful, too08:57
DocScrutinizer05yep08:57
int_uaE: Couldn't find package syslog08:58
DocScrutinizer05re bugs.maemo.org: ferenc put it in r7o-mode yesterday afaik, and it should resurrect brighter than ever today or tomorrow08:58
int_uaklogd?08:58
DocScrutinizer05:nod:08:58
int_uagreat :)08:59
DocScrutinizer05syklogd and klogd08:59
DocScrutinizer05sth like that08:59
DocScrutinizer05on depends on the other but I tend to forget which is topmost08:59
DocScrutinizer05one*08:59
DocScrutinizer05syslogd, sysklogd, klogd09:00
DocScrutinizer05apt-cache search syslog09:00
int_uadone, all three :)09:00
DocScrutinizer05don't forget to clean your /var/log/syslog every other week09:02
DocScrutinizer05or it will eventually fill up your root fs09:02
DocScrutinizer05or you install logrotate ;-D09:02
int_uayeah, I was just doing it09:02
int_uaoh, it's available, great09:03
DocScrutinizer05hmm, no logrotate on fremantle09:03
DocScrutinizer05or wait, probably my extras-devel is deactivated09:03
DocScrutinizer05so scratch what I said09:04
kerioit "rotates" the log on boot09:04
DocScrutinizer05kerio: duh?!09:04
int_uawho rotates?09:04
int_uaWhat's the point then?09:04
DocScrutinizer05kerio: are you sure about tzhat? please elaborate09:05
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: indeed09:05
kerioDocScrutinizer05: /etc/event.d/sysklogd09:05
DocScrutinizer05and that does what?09:05
kerioif the syslog file is greater than 5mb, it's moved to syslog.old09:05
int_uachecking09:05
keriowhen sysklogd starts09:05
kerioi mean, before sysklogd starts09:05
DocScrutinizer05well, might be true09:06
kerio"might" my ass, i'm looking at it right now09:06
DocScrutinizer05kerio: thumbs up09:06
int_uaSYSLOG_SIZE_MB_THRESHOLD=509:06
kerioint_ua: syslog has very low entropy though, ubifs will use a lot less than 5mb of actual space for 5mb of log09:07
DocScrutinizer05hmm, this might explain why this rootfs fillup happened to me only on t900 with its 200d uptime ;-P09:07
kerioDocScrutinizer05: have you found a syslog bigger than 5mb? if so, sysklogd itself probably doesn't rotate his log09:07
keriooh, i see09:07
int_uaWow, does ubifs has compression built-in?09:08
kerioint_ua: yep09:08
kerioint_ua: df -h / compared to du -hsx /09:08
keriomy rootfs is 238M, compressed to 144M09:08
int_uaBTW, these oopses are constant for me, never had more then a week of uptime09:09
kerioD:09:09
DocScrutinizer05this sounds like something leaking09:09
int_uawell, it was09:09
DocScrutinizer05and we actually found some terribly leaking stuff, thanks fmg09:09
int_uaand I've found that it was that "speed patch"09:10
DocScrutinizer05SPEEED PATD EEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!09:10
int_uabut now I don't see anything eating ram but still09:10
DocScrutinizer05PATCH*09:10
kerioreflash09:11
DocScrutinizer05* patch are a hoax, a scam09:11
int_uakerio: I'm too lazy to restore everything again after reflashin.09:11
keriothen enjoy your borkage09:12
DocScrutinizer05;-P09:12
int_uaBTW, i've never reflashed, it lives from PR1.1 or even PR1.0 (did it exist?)09:13
kerioint_ua: you're lying, you can't install PR1.2 OTA09:13
DocScrutinizer05yep09:13
kerioi think09:13
DocScrutinizer05you can09:13
int_uaok, then from PR1.209:13
DocScrutinizer05not anymore09:13
DocScrutinizer05but you could when it been fresh09:13
DocScrutinizer05btw my t900 is all the same09:14
int_uat900?09:15
DocScrutinizer05never seen a reflash after initial borkage on PR1.009:15
DocScrutinizer05my devel N90009:15
int_uawhy t?)09:15
kerioeveryone borks their first install, it seems :D09:15
DocScrutinizer05which is actually my bought original N90009:15
int_uaoh, testing09:15
DocScrutinizer05while IroN900 is basically the devel N900 which I'm using for daily phone now09:16
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: because of the red gleaming eyes ;-D09:16
int_uathe irony is, I've got another N900, one of the first ones from Amsterdam and it's stable as hell even with fmg's thumb-209:17
kerioso use that :P09:17
int_uabut I don't like keyboard material and keyboard mismatching layout :(09:17
DocScrutinizer05get proper keymat then09:18
DocScrutinizer05they are still offered every now and then, for as little as 5 bucks09:18
int_uaI don't trust delivery services in Ukraine09:19
int_uathere was some ... let me check the word09:19
DocScrutinizer05tried to get 2, three weeks ago: first paypal froze the payment, then the seller re-transferred the money back to my account :-S09:19
DocScrutinizer05it was GPP though, so I guess it must have to do with friggin UK not shipping to true EU09:20
DocScrutinizer05GBP*09:20
int_uaoh, and these second N900 has slightly broken screen, I've forgot09:21
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int_ua*this09:21
DocScrutinizer05sounds like you're short on N900, get a few spare ones!09:21
DocScrutinizer05it's X-MESS!!! FFS09:21
int_ua=D09:22
freemangordonint_ua: hi09:22
int_uahi :)09:22
int_uawe were just talking about you :)09:22
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int_uaabout thumb, etc.09:22
freemangordonint_ua: could you attach your /dev/mtd2 ont TMO KP thread too. While I read the backscroll09:23
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: please don't suggest that, when we got sp-oops-extract09:23
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int_uaso, should I?09:24
DocScrutinizer05attach sp-oops-extract output09:24
freemangordonint_ua: it will make it much easier for me09:24
int_uaok, trying..09:25
freemangordoni.e. it will save me 20-30 minutes moving .lzos from TMO to N900 to my desktop09:25
DocScrutinizer05sp-oops-extract /dev/mtd209:26
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: cat /dev/mtd2 > $RANDOM_FILE09:26
DocScrutinizer05bs09:26
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: this is what I want09:26
DocScrutinizer05why bother with that noise?09:27
int_uacat and tar09:27
freemangordonbs or not09:27
int_uawhat's a "bs"?09:27
freemangordon~bs09:27
keriobattleship09:27
kerioin ogame09:27
DocScrutinizer05backspace09:27
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hehe09:27
freemangordonint_ua: i suspect it is "bullshit"09:28
int_ua)09:29
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: having the whole mtd2 will give me the history of int_ua's kernel oopses09:30
DocScrutinizer05honestly noboy who ever seen sp-oops-extract output will ever want bleeding eyes from raw mtd2 dump09:30
DocScrutinizer05nobody09:30
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: i've seen it ;)09:30
freemangordonand I have no problem with reading raw mtd209:30
DocScrutinizer05so what else exacept $filler with noise are you getting in excess of oops-extract when you get raw mtd"?09:31
DocScrutinizer05history? a lie!09:31
DocScrutinizer05sp-oops-extract is comprehensive09:31
int_uafreemangordon: done09:31
int_uaDoc: do you need the -extract too?09:32
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: the point is that every $user can do cat, without messing with SDK repos and sp-... stuff09:32
DocScrutinizer05hmmmm09:32
DocScrutinizer05I'll have a nap over this09:32
DocScrutinizer05anyway I wonder what's the use of cat $file >$file209:33
int_uawonder why?09:33
DocScrutinizer05even when $file is a block device09:33
DocScrutinizer05int_ua: [2012-12-19 08:26:37] <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: cat /dev/mtd2 > $RANDOM_FILE09:34
freemangordonint_ua: what kernel?09:34
int_ua1:2.6.28-10power51r109:35
int_uaDoc: do you mean we can just cp it?09:36
DocScrutinizer05you can attach it to a mail if you want09:36
DocScrutinizer05well, probably only when your mailer runs as root09:37
int_uayeah, stock file selection doesn't allow it09:37
freemangordonnice:09:37
DocScrutinizer05one of the smartest things in unix ever: everything is a file09:37
freemangordon[99796.321258] Process rich-core-dumpe (pid: 1635, stack limit = 0xcdcf02e8)09:37
DocScrutinizer05(even directories are...)09:38
int_uawhat does that mean? The rich-core-dumper died itself?09:38
freemangordonthis is where one of your oopses is09:38
freemangordonint_ua: do you OC?09:39
int_uanope09:39
int_uaUnless something does it without me knowing09:40
freemangordonint_ua: SR?09:41
int_uawhat's that?09:41
freemangordonsmartreflex09:41
int_uano09:41
freemangordondamn09:42
freemangordonI was hoping it is SR :(09:42
int_uaI've installed QCPUFreq a few days ago along with the kernel but I've never touched anything in it yet09:42
int_uaand it shows no SR and 600MHz09:42
int_uaso, does it look like hardware fault?09:43
freemangordonaah. pastebin the output of kernel-config show please09:43
int_uaok09:43
freemangordonint_ua: hard to say, seems like OC09:43
int_uabash: kernel-config: command not found09:44
int_uashould I install it?09:44
DocScrutinizer05enjoy the last 2 days of this world!09:44
int_ua)09:44
DocScrutinizer05X-P09:44
freemangordonint_ua: the package name is kernel-power-settings09:45
DocScrutinizer05two of the 4 shortest ones of this year09:45
DocScrutinizer05while I'll gonna celebrate longest night and days getting longer again the night after tomorrow -> my XMESS09:46
int_ua:)09:47
freemangordonint_ua: where did you install the kernel from? Pali's server? or from the repos09:48
int_uahttp://pastebin.com/q8ye84aa09:49
int_uarepos09:49
* DocScrutinizer05 finds the cpu hog is actually 'sort', child of 'updatedb' and puts away the big gun09:49
int_uawhat is "avoid frequencies"? 0_o09:49
DocScrutinizer05those are frequencies that are deemed instable09:50
freemangordonint_ua: the name says it all09:50
int_uahm09:50
DocScrutinizer05or simply can't get achieved due to divider restrictions09:50
int_uais it ok to have 125 in it while it's the min one?09:51
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: those are the frequencies that won't be used, even enabled in the range of allowed freqs09:51
freemangordonyou can put 500 in there and it won't be used09:52
freemangordonit does not mean 500 is unstable ;)09:52
freemangordonanyway, int_ua's kernel config is ok09:53
int_uabut I didn't put 125 in there, does that mean it was detected as unstable?09:53
int_uaok09:53
freemangordonint_ua: no, it is disabled as default09:53
freemangordonalso, scratch "unstable"09:53
int_uaok)09:53
freemangordonint_ua: I'm afraid there is nothing useful (for me at least) in the information so far. i'll wait for your syslog next time that happen09:54
int_uaok :)09:55
freemangordonint_ua: BTW can you reproduce it somehow at your will?09:55
int_uanope, not yet. Actually, it's the first crash of KP, I just switched to it. With the old one it was frequent when connecting/disconnecting GPRS, but not always it.09:57
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: who is that guy ferenc? who appointed him? and why he behaves like we owe him 5 euros?09:58
freemangordonint_ua: old one?09:58
int_uastock kernel09:58
DocScrutinizer05eeeh?09:58
DocScrutinizer05we owe him 5 EUR?09:58
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: that's a proverb, scratch that09:59
DocScrutinizer05aaah09:59
DocScrutinizer05nfc who he actually is and who appointed him09:59
DocScrutinizer05I thought he's a nemein guy but that seems incorrect09:59
freemangordon:(09:59
DocScrutinizer05isn't it incredible how current and former councils have/had no clue of what's going on behind the scenes, or didn't publish it in any way?10:01
DocScrutinizer05there is basically no "secret knowledge" of (recent) council, I'm as ignorant as you are10:02
freemangordonint_ua: so, you had the same oopses with stock kernel too?10:03
DocScrutinizer05I actually had to google for "Nemein" to find out what it actually is10:03
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: does not sound good :(10:03
DocScrutinizer05the rest is handwaving and deduction from sporadic mails mentioning a detail or two10:04
int_uaI'm not sure they are the same, but I had oopses, yes10:04
freemangordonint_ua: well, i'd recommend a reflash10:04
freemangordonboth rootfs and eMMC10:05
freemangordonif I read it correctly, you've never done a reflash. correct?10:05
int_uayeah...10:06
freemangordonint_ua: you had crappatch installed once, ain;t?10:06
int_uahow do you see it? :)10:06
int_uayeah...10:07
freemangordonint_ua: i think you wrote it, but not sure :D10:07
int_uaoh, you are talking about IRC, I thought you've seen it logs10:07
int_ua:)10:07
freemangordonint_ua: only muslim gods know what crap/battery patch do. and I am still not convince you can uninstall them, without having some remnants10:08
freemangordon*convinced10:09
int_ua;(10:09
DocScrutinizer05there'll always be remnants, in your feeling of being abused10:09
freemangordonthus: full reflash. And be very careful what you install on that shiny newly flashed n900 ;)10:09
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: :D10:10
DocScrutinizer05even worse remnants when you try to understand what crap patch actually does, and whether the one writing them had a brain or been a cabbage10:10
int_uamaybe I'll try my fileorphan script on that10:10
int_uato find possible remnants10:11
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: though it is vi to blame, as he gave the idea :)10:11
DocScrutinizer05might be10:11
freemangordonanyway, i am off to work10:11
int_uaok10:11
DocScrutinizer05the original author of crappatch though been some angry script kiddie or sth10:11
DocScrutinizer05with questins of the class "how do I store output of a command into a file?"10:12
int_uaI think you are still too harsh (not sure the word is right) to him. But I don't know the whole story, maybe10:12
DocScrutinizer05pestered all of us for a few weeks, then he came up with his first acme *patch shite10:13
int_uamaybe it was sabotage?10:13
DocScrutinizer05some experienced users explained to him in loving verbosity that made everybody weep why his 'patch' (actually script) is BAD[TM], and he acted offensive and agressive and came up with rev2 that was even worse10:15
DocScrutinizer05all disclaimer "IIRC"10:15
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: IIRC it was exactly like that10:15
DocScrutinizer05about that time it was when he made it on everybody's ignore list basically10:16
DocScrutinizer05freemangordon: have a nice day!10:18
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luf ~seen don_falcone12:21
infobotdon_falcone <~Miranda@88.128.58.112> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 30d 20h 14m 34s ago, saying: 'damn i hated those scripts already back in the days... *scratches head*'.12:21
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DocScrutinizer05~listkeys battery12:31
infobotFactoid search of 'battery' by key (12 of 14): heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery ;; battery pack ;; batteryfaq ;; battery ;; battery damage ;; battery life ;; zaurus battery ;; flips ibot's battery disconnect switch ;; battery disconnect switch ;; true, but the lack of extra battery ;; wmbattery ;; as battery acid.12:31
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys patch12:31
infobotFactoid search of 'patch' by key (10 of 96): .tar.gz + patch ;; ac patches ;; amd k6-ii ctx-kern patch ;; can't we just patch the latest xfree, or ;; fontenot's patch ;; i might have used a uclinux telnetd patch ;; i never tried the message verbosity patch, ;; international kernel patch ;; ioffice2000 us english patch ;; jargon patch space.12:31
DocScrutinizer05~listkeys speed12:31
infobotFactoid search of 'speed' by key (15 of 29): speedtouch usb ;; larger cf have 1.5mb write speed ;; speeddymon #DEL# ;; newspeed ;; bus speed ;; speed ;; freakout's speedos ;; jargon speedometer ;; speed of light ;; typespeed ;; access speed ;; air speed #DEL# ;; iirc, the speed to/from a nodeboard ;; speedo ;; speedy2.12:31
DocScrutinizer05~speedpatch12:32
DocScrutinizer05~speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]12:33
infobotDocScrutinizer05: okay12:33
DocScrutinizer05~batterypatch is <reply>see speedpatch12:33
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0512:33
DocScrutinizer05~crappatch is <reply>see speedpatch12:34
infobotokay, DocScrutinizer0512:34
DocScrutinizer05~crapppatch12:39
DocScrutinizer05~crappatch12:39
infoboti guess speedpatch is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1012405#post1012405 >>first i don't realy understand what does this patch do (that is why it is called miracle patch)<< [/quote original-author-of-speedpatch]12:39
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* merlin1991 owns a pair of non-broken glasses again13:10
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DocScrutinizer05\o/13:30
* DocScrutinizer05 owns a server that's borked atm13:34
DocScrutinizer05[2012-12-19 11:44:49] [Notice] -NickServ- DocScrutinizer51!~lagrange@lagrange.cloud-7.de has just authenticated as you (jOERG_rw)    <-looks like a reboot, since then however the box is down13:35
DocScrutinizer05:-(13:36
lufmerlin1991: great :)13:36
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keriomerlin1991: see, you're *still* doing it wrong14:39
kerioyou should be owning *two* pairs of non-broken glasses14:39
merlin1991kerio: 2nd pair comes soon14:39
merlin1991probably next week14:39
merlin1991it's crazy how expensive this stuff is though14:40
merlin1991proper plastic glass that is selfdarkening in my strenght is like 200€ a lens14:40
tadzikwow, it's worse than here14:41
jon_yI paid for normal plastic glasses for 200€ too14:43
jon_ynone of that self darkening because it was too expensive14:43
merlin1991200€ without features?14:43
merlin1991o_O14:43
merlin1991jon_y: or was that for both lenses?14:44
jon_yno self darkening, yes, glasses come with 2 lenses :)14:45
merlin1991well in my case it was 200 per lens so 400 in total + the frame14:46
jon_ynot sure if ~5.00 is considered high power14:46
jon_yoh, mine was 200 including frame14:46
jon_ylooks like a dinky plastic thing with the amount of material used14:47
merlin1991the ones I'm wearing atm (the future spare pair) were 120 including frame and everything14:47
jon_ythat is really cheap!14:48
merlin1991they had some kind of christmas bonus program thingy14:48
jon_yI wonder if I can get them cheap if I buy in bulk or something :)14:48
merlin1991regarding high power, here there's ususally a price gap if you go "higher" than -414:49
jon_yI guess 5-ish is considered high14:50
merlin1991I'm currently 6-ish14:51
jon_yiirc polarized lenses go even higher, 250€ just for the lens14:51
jon_yor 300€14:51
jon_ythey're good for, driving in the rain :)14:51
merlin1991hm just wondering is the exit mask on an lcd horizontal or vertical?14:54
merlin1991because depending on that polarized glasses could be err "fun" to use :D14:54
jon_ygood point :)14:55
jon_yI've seen some hard hacks that remove the polarizer layer from the LCD and cut them into glasses14:56
merlin1991hehe14:56
jon_ywithout the special glasses, the screen looks completely white, at least to the camera that took the picture14:56
jon_yI've seen some commercial LCD covers too, it looks completely black without special eyewear14:57
merlin1991hm how would that work?14:59
jon_yI don't know, I saw some high level manager in my office looking and reading a black screen15:00
jon_yI assumed the covering layer must be some LCD protector thing15:00
merlin1991the first hack is obvious it removes the filter that would trim down the light components to what you want to see, but how can you go from dark to visible, unless it does something weird like shifting the phase of the light15:00
jon_yno idea, it looked pitch black to me when I passed his cube15:01
jon_ymaybe it further polarizes, so no shoulder surfing15:01
merlin1991well polarizing has no effect where the eye doesn't see the light15:02
jon_yuh, maybe that wasnt the right word15:02
jon_yreduce the field at which the lcd would be visible15:02
merlin1991hm but you still should see stuff when you are behind the guy then15:03
jon_ywell, I wasn't behind him, so I could not check :)15:03
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jon_yit looked pitch black from the side though15:03
jon_yI thought he was goofing off :)15:04
merlin1991hehe15:04
DocScrutinizer05merlin1991: (polarization) changes from screen to screen, but usually diagonal15:10
DocScrutinizer05(reading black screen) those are protective "screensavers" that narrow down view angle form maybe 160° to like 20°15:12
DocScrutinizer05very commonly used protective gear on corporate laptops managed by a security aware IT15:14
DocScrutinizer05you see same stuff on almost all ATMs right now15:15
merlin1991hm security aware or security nuts?15:15
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merlin1991the best thing regarding security so far I've seen was a policy that required all users to *never* store *anything* unencrypted on a flash drive15:17
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DocScrutinizer05seen Rambo's answer on "maemo services go to read only..." ML thread?15:18
merlin1991which rambo15:20
merlin1991there seem to be several15:20
DocScrutinizer05Eero af heurlin15:21
merlin1991ah yep, so we have vms somewhere somehow, but no physical boxes, on what do we run untill then, soon to be broken promises?15:24
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DocScrutinizer05nah, there are 1,2, even 3? physical servers and there are ~8 to 14 VMs running on them - right now. nemein moving that stuff to new hw to donate that to board.15:26
DocScrutinizer05Rambo wasn't averse to set up a plain new VM for tmo on those15:26
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DocScrutinizer05right now Nemein themselves do an interim solution of moving everything to some vservers $anywhere, and aiui they will move those VMs to the new hw that's becoming available around new year15:29
DocScrutinizer05(unless board manages to get a quotation from them for future hosting costs, and then maybe decides to not even accept the whole "own hardware" offer and rather ask for the same value in convertable currency to pay a year of hosting and admin from that)15:30
kerioimo we should move away from nemein imo15:31
DocScrutinizer05I honestly have Not Faintest Clue what board does regarding this particular topic of own servers donated by Nokia, colocation, colocation costs, whatnot15:32
DocScrutinizer05kerio: doing what instead?15:32
DocScrutinizer05and why?15:32
keriocosts too much15:32
DocScrutinizer05says who?15:33
keriohow much money do we have?15:33
DocScrutinizer05kerio: that's a silly question unless you know how much you NEED15:33
DocScrutinizer05IOW how much does Nemein cost? YOU know? then wtf don't you tell us?15:34
kerioi thought we knew how much the bigass server nokia offered costs to host15:34
DocScrutinizer05nope15:34
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DocScrutinizer05We know colocation is usually NOT cheaper than renting hardware as you're doing with usual offers for dedicated server hosting.15:39
DocScrutinizer05we know you have to pay for any hw fix that hw owned by you will need15:39
DocScrutinizer05we know also that administration of a server cluster of that size is a fultime job for a professional at very least during the first 3..6 months, even when 'only migrating' it. And usual wages for such a professional are in the 50bucks/h range15:41
DocScrutinizer05maybe higher15:41
DocScrutinizer05on very fair offers maybe lower15:41
DocScrutinizer05(or should I say "very unfair offers" - unfair to the one doing the work)15:41
DocScrutinizer05we also know that the number of VMs to run, or particularly the number of autobuilder jobs on standby will insignificantly change that amount of work the whole infra is requiring for administration15:43
DocScrutinizer05what we meanwhile also know is: when you don't assign sufficient working hours to administration then you see effects like we seen them with autobuilder and wiki during last month(s)15:47
DocScrutinizer05now the questions we have to answer: 1) how much will Nemein call up for physical hosting (colocation) of those servers generously donated to community by Nokia?   2) Is Nemein willing and able to do professional admin at least on system level for that infra, and how much will the call up for that?  3) Does the answer to the first 2 questions suggest we need to consider alternatives, and what might those be?15:51
DocScrutinizer05during Q:3 we might come back to your question "how much money does board have?"15:52
DocScrutinizer05in parallel we might be able to think about what we can do for tmo15:52
DocScrutinizer05and how that fits into the first 3 questions and answers to them15:53
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DocScrutinizer05I'd ROTFL til blue in the face when Reggie would move his server to a EU server himself, before even offering anybody of council or board access to the system16:11
DocScrutinizer05Regie seems to have no concerns, Nemein/Ferenc/Rambo seem to have no concerns, I would've no concerns if I were designated responsible admin of that VM running tmo. Reggie could decide to not even think about board in the whole process of migration/donation of tmo to "community". Just board seems angrily determined to "decide on the tmo hosting in tonight's board meeting" and no answer whatsoever regarding WTF are their concerns16:14
DocScrutinizer05now with moving from US to EU16:14
DocScrutinizer05so if Reggie moves his complete hosting from his current server to a EU located vserver sponsored by Nemein, I *really* wonder what board will do. Refuse to take tmo from Reggie then, since it moved out of US?16:16
DocScrutinizer05(admittedly a tiny bit hypothetical)16:17
Lava_Crofteverytime you say Reggie16:45
Lava_CroftI see the head of Nintendo of America16:45
Lava_Croft>_<16:45
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luffreemangordon: ping18:15
luffreemangordon: I think your tklock has some problem (syslog): mce[802]: Error sending with reply to com.nokia.system_ui.request.tklock_open: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.InvalidArgs18:17
lufAnother question about dbus18:28
lufI have in syslog: iap_conndlg 2.88+0m5[1338]: Connecting RFCOMM failed: Method "Connect" with signature "s" on interface "org.bluez.Serial" doesn't exist18:28
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lufbut neither dbus-monitor --system nor dbus-monitor --session shows such call.18:28
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lufI need to find what on destination it is called.18:29
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lufIt doesn't mather. I see that the reason was that the remote BT endpoint doesn't support RFCOMM :)18:47
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freemangordonluf: is that latest?19:26
freemangordontklock that is19:27
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luffreemangordon: yes installed yesterday or previous day19:34
freemangordonluf: can you reproduce it?19:34
lufii  osso-systemui-tklock                                0.3.0.1+0cssu019:34
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lufii  osso-systemui-tklock                                0.3.0.1+0cssu019:35
luffreemangordon: to be honest I don't know.19:37
freemangordonluf: that's not the latest19:42
lufOk. Good news :)19:42
freemangordonaah, wait19:42
freemangordonit is :(19:42
freemangordonluf: what did you do to have this messgae in syslog?19:43
lufNo idea :(19:44
lufI played with bluez + win and I saw that several times in log19:46
lufI'm not able to reproduce it now. But I rebooted ...19:47
freemangordonhmm, would you grep syslog for systemui19:48
freemangordonto check for something suspicios19:48
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freemangordonluf: i have those here too, will build traces-enabled version of tklock and will see what's going on19:55
lufI want to upload the file to pastebin and I'm totaly lost :D It's first time I want to upload the file there.19:56
lufBTW it follows with ok calling.19:56
freemangordonsame here19:56
freemangordonhmm, no, I have to consecutive failed calls19:57
lufGood. But I'm sorry I have no clue how to reproduce :(19:57
freemangordonin 4 seconds19:57
freemangordonme too, that's why I will enable traces19:57
freemangordonmerlin1991: do we have a meeting today? :P19:59
merlin1991yes :D20:00
merlin1991I adjusted the date a few mins ago :D20:01
luffreemangordon: http://pastebin.com/17uCXdym20:01
lufThanks for remember me the meeting.20:01
lufI totaly forget.20:01
freemangordonhmm, that's weird20:02
luffreemangordon: don't you bind it several times? or something like that (I'm using tklock just one or two days on my devel phone)20:05
freemangordonluf: rephrase please20:05
freemangordonbind?20:05
luffreemangordon: like first time it asks to wrong part and second time it asks the right part20:08
lufI don't have very good idea.20:09
freemangordonluf: lets see what will happen now I have the traces enabled20:11
luf:)20:11
freemangordonluf: it could be because i removed the (obsolete) tklock support20:12
luffreemangordon: so not so much "obsolete" ? But as I said it doesn't reoccur after reboot.20:13
freemangordonand in case if any not supported tklock request it returs 0, which seems to be "invalid input arguments"20:13
freemangordonbut that will become clear from the traces20:14
freemangordonyah, not that "obsolete" it seems20:14
lufas you said: we'll see :)20:14
freemangordonyep20:14
lufmerlin1991: ping20:14
merlin1991luf: pong20:14
lufmerlin1991: have you tried BT send file between win and N900?20:15
merlin1991I broke my glasses on saturday and got new ones today, so not yet :/20:16
merlin1991but I'll try it now20:16
lufReporter wrote it's a problem on all win for him (WIDCOM BT stack) and I'm unable to reproduce it on win xp with MS/IVT BlueSoleil stak ...20:16
lufPlease test it prior you setup connection for me as I'm not sure if you'll be faced with the problem.20:16
merlin1991hm step1 get new bluez :D20:17
luf:) quiet easy ... bluez + libbluetooth3 ;)20:17
merlin1991luf: maemo2+0cssu1?20:26
lufYes. It's the latest one.20:26
DocScrutinizer05sorry, meeting??20:29
merlin1991last meeting at the end narrowed it down to this point in time in 30 mins20:30
DocScrutinizer05:-S20:30
merlin1991still open points are the buglist and browser-ui20:30
DocScrutinizer05will you need me?20:30
DocScrutinizer05oh c'mon, I'll happily stay away20:31
merlin1991ofc20:31
merlin1991you can pick one ;)20:31
merlin1991luf: any way to restart bluez without restarting the phone?20:31
DocScrutinizer05I'm kinda pissed today20:32
DocScrutinizer05so probably me staying away is your best option ;-)20:32
merlin1991luf and kerio were missing you last time :D20:34
DocScrutinizer05I got a broken (possibly rooted) server on my plate, and a broken ZNC from that. Plus some more arguing about how simple it is to host a server infra about 20 times that size of my broken tiny box20:34
lufDocScrutinizer05: you should be there ... in other case you risk that we include new kernel  into CSSU (you know) :D20:35
DocScrutinizer05:shrug:20:35
DocScrutinizer05I'm just going to get my backups of repo and stuff then, and forget about the rest20:35
DocScrutinizer05honestly not a good day to troll me20:38
lufok.20:39
freemangordonmerlin1991: stop bluetoothd/start bluetoothd20:39
lufor reboot20:41
merlin1991luf: I can't even send a file to win7 on stock bluez20:41
lufWhat is BT stack on windows?20:41
lufAnd what the opposite way (win -> N900)>20:41
merlin1991win -> n900 works20:42
merlin1991ah wait20:43
merlin1991used the wrong device20:43
merlin1991xD20:43
luf???20:43
merlin1991my n900 is paired with my n920:43
merlin1991:D20:43
merlin1991and it takes forever to show the laptop, and atm it doesn't show it at all o_O20:44
luf?? How it affects win -> N900 ?20:44
merlin1991nono win-n900 works fine20:44
merlin1991that's all about n900 -> win20:44
lufOk, as I edited my post on TMO I think you don't have configured BT COM port (RFCOMM) on win side.20:44
merlin1991the share file over bluetooth dialog does not list my laptop :/20:45
lufI suppose you're using MS BT stack is it right?20:45
merlin1991how do I check that?20:45
lufI'm not fully sure the right way as I don't use win.20:46
lufwin: What menu do you se when you right click the BT icon is status menu?20:46
merlin1991the win one20:48
merlin1991add device, show devices ...20:48
merlin1991btw I tried with your bluez now (the first test was with stock)20:48
merlin1991with this one I can't even browse the n900 / send a file to the n90020:49
lufGood for finding the problem :)20:49
lufYou're using MS stack.20:49
lufIt's working here in win xp ...20:50
merlin1991and dmesg on the n900 shows Spurious irq 95: 0xffffffdf, please flush psoted write for irq 1120:50
merlin1991a few times20:51
lufCan you re-pair it with new bluez?20:56
merlin1991I did the inital pari with your bluez20:56
merlin1991the stock test was done on stock pr1.3.1 on another device20:57
lufDid you unpair it also on win side? Or how do you know that stock bluez is ok?20:57
merlin1991see above ;)20:57
freemangordonmerlin1991: which kernel is that? with Spurious irq 9521:02
lufmeeting?21:03
freemangordonluf: where? :P21:03
merlin1991freemangordon: omap121:03
merlin1991okay meeting time21:03
merlin1991ping arcean Pali21:03
freemangordonmerlin1991: aah, that explains it21:03
freemangordonthat one is fixed in KP21:03
merlin1991what is it actually?21:03
Palipong merlin199121:04
merlin1991because it didn't happen with stock bluez21:04
arceanpong merlin199121:04
freemangordonsome of the omap regs needs read after write when you ack an irq21:04
freemangordon*need21:04
freemangordonif you don;t read, irq is triggered again, when not expected21:05
freemangordonthus: spurious21:05
merlin1991okay browser-ui or bugs first?21:05
freemangordonbrowser, seems easier21:05
Paliromaxa did not responce on my mails21:05
Paliso maybe is on holiday...21:06
freemangordonPali: what do you expect ?!?21:06
freemangordonmerlin1991: lets switch to private21:06
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merlin1991the bug party starts with #1257521:45
freemangordonbug 1257521:45
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12575 microb-engine: CVE-2011-3026: Integer overflow in embedded libpng21:45
merlin1991where's our lovely infobot?21:45
merlin1991ah yeah povbot21:45
freemangordonmerlin1991: she does not love you :P21:46
merlin1991freemangordon: I think you tackled that one at some point?21:46
freemangordonshe likes oldies :D:D:D21:46
freemangordonmerlin1991: iirc i fixed that one21:46
freemangordonlet me check21:46
freemangordonhmm, no21:47
freemangordonmerlin1991: the fix is to upgrade th library ;)21:48
keriobut what about all the programs that depend on that bug??? /s21:48
freemangordonkerio: thay'll stop work21:49
freemangordon*they21:49
merlin1991so that one is still open?21:49
merlin1991I'll corsscheck the tasklist and will put it on there if it's missing21:50
merlin1991next up bug #1257621:51
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12576 hildon-desktop crashed after failed SDL png load21:51
freemangordongarage is read-only afaik21:51
merlin1991it's going writeable soon again21:51
merlin1991arcrean I think youfixed 12576 in current git?21:51
freemangordonarcean: that one is fixed afaik21:51
arceanyes, fixed21:51
freemangordonis it in -testing?21:51
arceanno21:52
merlin1991i think the fix is only in -devel atm21:52
arceanyes, it's only in cssu-devel21:52
freemangordonwell, mark it as "close pending" or something21:52
freemangordonthough... if arcean insists it is fixed, we can close it :)21:53
merlin1991I have one more for arcean bug #1258421:53
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12584 hildon-menu gets rotated if orientation locked from portrait21:53
lufcan someone put a comment there?21:53
arceanbugzilla should be read-only :P21:53
merlin1991luf: I keep a list and put that stuff there later on21:53
arceanmerlin1991, fixed also21:53
merlin1991luf: so we can move through quicker we have 36 on the list :)21:54
freemangordonhildon-menu? WTF is that?21:54
arceanit's even in -testing21:54
arceanhe meant hildon-status-menu21:54
arceanbut the bug was in hildon-desktop21:55
merlin1991fixed then, next is bug #1258621:55
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12586 Status area dialogs force landscape mode when an application is active21:55
freemangordonmerlin1991: fixed in -devel?21:55
freemangordonoops21:55
freemangordonarcean: ^^^21:55
arceanshould be fixed in -devel21:56
arceanthat's the first time I saw that bug report :)21:56
arceanbut as I said, it should be fixed in -devel21:56
merlin1991okay I'll check that when I build the new h-d then21:57
merlin1991bug # 1259621:57
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12596 Caps Lock On on first letter after a Period not working21:57
freemangordonmerlin1991: invalid21:58
merlin1991seems to be21:58
merlin1991I wonder though where it came from21:58
freemangordonthat guy somehow has messed up "text input" settings21:58
merlin1991okay next is bug #1260121:59
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12601 [osso-pdfviewer] Deactivated "continuous scrolling" reactivates after loading, but checkbox state remains21:59
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freemangordonhmm, which reminds me that we need GTK developer for GTK21:59
merlin1991yeah I'll put that out on tmo22:00
freemangordon"this time for real" :P:P:P22:00
arcean;]22:00
arceanall in all, the bug report is valid22:00
PaliI can look at that bug22:01
PaliI backported that patch from diablo-cssu22:01
* freemangordon hugs Pali22:01
merlin1991it's also not stored over restarts of the pdf viewer22:02
merlin1991but afaik pdf viewer stores no "settings" so we probably want to only fix this bug and not add a settings system aswell22:02
merlin1991okay Pali looks into it22:02
merlin1991bug #1260622:03
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12606 Add portrait support for orientation lock.22:03
freemangordonaaah22:03
freemangordonarcean: do we still have no chances?22:03
freemangordoni.e. what stops that one?22:03
arceanit could be done, without Qt apps ;)22:04
freemangordonarcean: hmm if we define thoe correct policy, Qt will fit too22:04
freemangordonor we can fix Qt after all22:04
arceanwhen MCE sends 'portrait' signal, Qt sets portrait flags on a window22:04
arceanwhen MCE sends 'landscape' signal, Qt removes all portrait flags22:05
freemangordonarcean: iirc we already agree that Qt should listen to h-d22:05
arceanso we have no idea, if an app supports portrait mode22:05
arceanyup22:05
merlin1991so 2 steps, fix Qt, verify that, then have more fun in h-d22:06
freemangordonarcean: wanna take this one? i will help as much as I can.22:06
arceanthe whole Qt's Orientation Manager is broken by design22:06
freemangordonmerlin1991: the opposite22:06
freemangordondo that one, fix Qt afterwards22:06
arceanI would start with Qt, and then remove all nasty-Qt hacks from h-d ;)22:07
freemangordonarcean: agree?22:07
freemangordonarcean: Qt hacks in h-d?22:07
arceanthere's a couple of lines because of Qt problems22:08
freemangordonreally? the fuck22:08
Palilike in browser...22:08
arceanyeah, for e.g. controlling the topmost window etc22:08
freemangordonarcean: again, I will help if you take on that one22:09
arceanok, I'll try in my free time to do something with Qt22:09
freemangordonbut I don;t want to be the "owner", kernel and glibc are on my todo top22:09
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arceanI hate it takes so much time to build Qt :D22:10
freemangordonarcean: it is about h-d, Qt part should be relatively easy22:10
freemangordon(besides build time :D )22:11
arceanhehe22:11
merlin1991well depending on your pc speed we could build qt on the server :D22:11
freemangordonarcean: you could do -nc ;)22:12
merlin1991anyway that one's taken then22:12
merlin1991bug #1260922:12
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12609 Problems with some non-latin layouts input in Qt-based software22:12
arceanI can handle this :)22:12
freemangordonmerlin1991: I am hit by that :D22:12
merlin1991do we have the full input chain (button press until key event) open by now?22:13
merlin1991if yes we should look into this22:13
freemangordonmerlin1991: confirm that, and give it low priority, as it seems now there is noone to take care of it22:13
freemangordonmerlin1991: the whole input chain?22:14
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merlin1991virtual keyboard and other possible middleware friends ;)22:14
freemangordonQt part is open AFAIk :P. And the bug is there, deffinitely22:14
merlin1991ah okay then22:15
merlin1991will put it on the task list22:15
merlin1991bug # 1262122:15
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12621 sharing-plugin-facebook stopped working22:15
freemangordonfixed22:15
merlin1991that was fixed by curl right?22:15
freemangordonlibcurl322:15
freemangordonyep22:15
merlin1991bug #1262922:16
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12629 blacklisting works not as it should22:16
merlin1991arcean: I think you fixed that one already22:16
arceanyes, and reverted the fix :)22:16
merlin1991so is it unfixed atm? Or did you find a new solution?22:16
freemangordonmerlin1991: it was a regressin, fixed22:16
arceanthe problem is with qt-components not with h-d22:17
freemangordon*regression22:17
freemangordonhmm...22:17
merlin1991so qt again22:17
arceanthe qt-components rotates the application and then h-d rotate the window22:17
freemangordonarcean: is it fixed or not?22:17
arceannot fixed22:17
freemangordonaah22:17
freemangordonqt-components? ot qt?22:17
arceanI have no idea why qt-components window has portrait flag22:18
freemangordonhmm, wait22:19
freemangordondoes that happen with force-rotation enabled?22:19
arceandoesn't matter22:20
arceanit could be easy to fix, after taking care of Qt rotation policy22:20
arceanor not22:21
freemangordonarcean: WPx amulator works like charm here22:21
freemangordon*emulator22:21
freemangordonmerlin1991: I'd rather mark that as "needinfo" and request transitions.ini22:22
freemangordonarcean: it could be that reporter has mistyped the application name22:23
arceanit would be great to have more info from the reporter22:23
merlin1991okay needinfo22:24
merlin1991bug # 1263122:24
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12631 MonoDevelop app broken after update cssu22:24
freemangordon* Assertion at mini-arm.c:2881, condition `thumb_supported' not met22:25
freemangordon?!?22:25
merlin1991look further down22:25
merlin1991it is an assert within mono that failed because gnomevfs was thumb compiled22:26
merlin1991which was fixed some time ago22:26
freemangordonaah, yes22:26
freemangordonfixed22:26
merlin1991the original reporter just never stated that it's really fiex22:26
merlin1991*fixed*22:26
freemangordonwell, close it22:26
merlin1991fixed then22:27
freemangordonguys, I am running out of time, will be here for couple of minutes more, sorry :(.22:27
merlin1991okay next bug #1264522:27
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12645 operator-name-cbs-widget does not display the operator name correctly22:27
freemangordonhehe, jonwil promised hell look at that one when he's back from holiday22:28
merlin1991Pali can you look at that? it has a opername.log attached22:28
merlin1991ah okay22:28
merlin1991so jonwils22:28
merlin1991bug #1264622:29
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12646 libpng: Various vulnerabilites (CVE)22:29
keriohuh? that's fixed already22:29
freemangordonmerlin1991: well, if Pali wants to look at it22:29
Palijonwil already sent me similar22:29
Palibug22:29
kerioi'm talking about bug #1264522:29
Paliit is in my mailbox22:29
freemangordonmerlin1991: well, seems we have to upgrade libpng22:29
arceankerio is right, 12645 is fixed22:29
freemangordonarcean: yeah, the new one is with roaming22:30
freemangordonafaik22:31
luf12646 - I can take a look if libpng upgrade is ok.22:31
merlin1991perfect22:32
merlin1991luf if possible get the patches out of upstream instead of just upgrading libpng to new upstream22:33
freemangordonmerlin1991: operator widget is jonwil's child(afaik), I think we should either pester him until it is bugfree, or remove it22:33
lufmerlin1991: why?22:33
freemangordonmerlin1991: why?22:33
lufIt's less time consuming to upgrade than backport some patches.22:34
luf... like libcurl22:34
merlin1991luf: technically you have to test each an every application that uses the lib after upgrading it22:34
freemangordonand we really don;t know what patches we need, not to mention the previous libpng bug22:34
freemangordonwhich is fixed by package upgrade22:35
merlin1991hm well we have to check if new libpng is backwards compatible22:35
lufOk. I'll do it.22:35
merlin1991okay luf has it22:35
freemangordonmerlin1991: sure, but that's why -devel and -testing are22:35
lufnext one ...22:36
merlin1991bug #1264722:36
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12647 vte: CVE-2012-2738: DoS22:36
merlin1991I don't know if there exists a fix upstream as of now, anybody want to investigate?22:36
freemangordonthat one is tricky22:36
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merlin1991ah wait I'm thinking of a different vte bug22:37
freemangordonmerlin1991: the point is that the package is in extras22:37
merlin1991vte isn#t22:37
freemangordoni.e. not CSSU material by definition22:37
merlin1991only openssh is22:37
merlin1991and the bug is not in openssh but in vte22:38
freemangordonhowever, I am out of time. I am semi-offline, otherwise i'll have to look for another GF :)22:39
merlin1991kk I'll rethrow kernel things at you another time :)22:39
lufwhat is GF?22:40
freemangordongirlfriend ;)22:40
merlin1991something you have in RL?22:40
freemangordon:D:D:D22:40
lufOk, let's change :D22:40
freemangordonmerlin1991: well, I have mine in a bed :P22:41
merlin1991hopefully still in real life and not some shady computer simulation22:41
merlin1991anyway any takers for vte or does it go onto the task list?22:41
merlin1991task list it is22:41
merlin1991bug # 1264822:42
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12648 libsoup: CVE-2011-2524: Directory traversal vulnerability to read arbitrary files22:42
lufmerlin1991: isn't it better to continue next time?22:43
merlin1991actually yeah, I'll just throw one more onto arcean22:43
merlin1991bug #1266022:43
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12660 Hildon Menu should scale images when are too big to be displayed22:43
merlin1991I think that got fixed in -devel22:44
arceanfixed in -devel22:44
merlin1991anybody even available next week, or shall we continue next year?22:45
arceanthe earliest date is 27th for me22:46
merlin1991I guess you still want your christmas holidays though? :D22:47
arceanyeah, that's another thing :D22:47
lufI'm ok with 27-th.22:47
lufIt's thursday but during X-mas ...22:48
DocScrutinizer05xmess22:48
merlin199127th is ok for me aswell, but I don't know if you guys don't have other plans for xmess22:48
arceanafter new year I'm also available22:48
arceanxmess :)22:49
luf:D22:49
DocScrutinizer05nice backscroll :-)22:50
merlin1991heh the libsoup looks like an easy backport22:54
merlin1991so 27th or not?22:54
luf+122:54
lufwe'll see if others can or not.22:54
merlin1991okay22:55
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kerioHAIL MERLIN22:59
merlin1991hm / kick or not23:00
kerioor maybe heil23:00
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kerioDocScrutinizer05: what's happening to your server, btw?23:00
DocScrutinizer05kerio: tilt23:04
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