IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Saturday, 2012-11-10

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Pali	ping merlin1991	01:58
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merlin1991	Pali: pong	02:17
Pali	merlin1991, can you also add symlinks for community, extras and rtcomm to oldmaemo?	02:18
merlin1991	sure, pm me with the paths though please	02:19
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DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: wtf is going on on my IroN900? I just got notified about orrery update, and now I have ~984387 updateable pkgs, like libqtm-12-versit installed:1:1.2.0-tp1-0fn-fremantle13 available:1:1.2.0+git20111104-0nd-fremantle3	02:42
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DocScrutinizer05	or sp-rich-core, or python2.5-sip4	02:44
DocScrutinizer05	python-hildon, python, python-osso... pulseaudio-utils (WAAAAH!)	02:45
DocScrutinizer05	libshiboken1.0	02:45
DocScrutinizer05	even camera-ui	02:46
DocScrutinizer05	are all the cssu pkgs < maemo-stock same pkg, and only the mp-community-fremantle-pr lifted them on my device?	02:47
DocScrutinizer05	well, for camera-ui it's the other way round	02:48
DocScrutinizer05	I downgraded to stock camera and it wants to update to 1.1.29.2+0cssu13 now	02:49
DocScrutinizer05	hildon-initscripts, intsalled: 1.26-1+0m5, avail: 1.26-1+dp1	02:51
DocScrutinizer05	WTF is dp1?	02:51
* DocScrutinizer05 stops bitching and fires up apt-cache		02:52
DocScrutinizer05	1.26-1+dp1 0	02:53
DocScrutinizer05	500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/free Packages	02:53
DocScrutinizer05	:-o	02:53
ShadowJK	what	02:54
DocScrutinizer05	tools repo activated	02:55
* DocScrutinizer05 <--- fool		02:55
DocScrutinizer05	meh!	02:57
DocScrutinizer05	disabled tool catalog, no change (except for hildon-initscripts now gone in list of updatable pkgs)	02:58
DocScrutinizer05	maemo-launcher: Installed: 0.35-7+0m5 Candidate: 0.35-7+0m5 Version table: 0.35-7+0m5 0 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages *** 0.35-7+0m5 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status	03:00
DocScrutinizer05	now wtf?!	03:01
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DocScrutinizer05	grrrrrr	03:03
Skry	:o	03:04
merlin1991	well that is no update :D	03:04
DocScrutinizer05	groff-base:	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	Installed: 1.18.1.1-11osso3	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	Candidate: 1.18.1.1-21	03:05
merlin1991	and what does policy tell you?	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	Version table:	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	1.18.1.1-21 0	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	*** 1.18.1.1-11osso3 0	03:05
DocScrutinizer05	100 /var/lib/dpkg/status	03:05
merlin1991	also please pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list	03:06
DocScrutinizer05	k	03:06
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./	03:07
DocScrutinizer05	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free	03:07
merlin1991	hm that looks perfectly fine	03:08
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: I installed procps and stock camera-ui, and one of those nuked MP	03:08
DocScrutinizer05	if that's any relevant or yields a clue	03:09
DocScrutinizer05	wtf groff-base 1.18.1.1-11osso3 ?	03:10
DocScrutinizer05	or 1.18.1.1-21 0	03:10
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DocScrutinizer05	either we got 21.0 in latest cssu-t then where from my device got this other version that's allegedly installed? or cssu-t has 11osso3 then wtf is 21 from	03:12
merlin1991	hm atm I have no n900 on me so I can't crosscheck what should be there	03:12
merlin1991	I don't remember anything called groff-base in cssu	03:12
DocScrutinizer05	anybody could run apt-cache policy groff-base on his device, and share installed version together with his OS flavor?	03:13
merlin1991	groff-base 21 0 is in extras	03:13
merlin1991	sdk has the osso3	03:13
merlin1991	see http://maemo.org/packages/view/groff-base/	03:13
merlin1991	try to disable extras see what happens	03:13
DocScrutinizer05	np, wilco	03:13
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DocScrutinizer05	WTF*F?? can't edit catalogs	03:15
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, do you have HAM from CSSU ?	03:15
DocScrutinizer05	planned to rename "maemo.org" catalog to "maemo.org extras" - no way	03:16
DocScrutinizer05	I guess so, Pali	03:16
Pali	rename of system calatogues is not possible	03:16
Pali	only disable	03:16
DocScrutinizer05	>:-(	03:16
DocScrutinizer05	how sane that mameo-extras is named mameo.org	03:17
Pali	name comes from nokia	03:17
DocScrutinizer05	s/mameo/maemo/g	03:17
infobot	DocScrutinizer05 meant: how sane that maemo-extras is named maemo.org	03:17
Pali	and that name can be translated into more languages	03:17
Pali	same as ssu name	03:17
Pali	renaming is possible in file in /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/	03:18
DocScrutinizer05	I feel assraped	03:18
DocScrutinizer05	by HAM	03:18
Pali	securtiy reason - you cannot modify system catalogues as user	03:19
Pali	it is like aegis--	03:19
DocScrutinizer05	# of pkgs down to 3: camera-ui (ok'ish), maemo-auncher (?????), pulseaudio-utils ( GRRR )	03:19
merlin1991	well no idea why there is an update for the later 2 but at least camera-ui is reasonable	03:20
DocScrutinizer05	I can't modify da fuckin NAME, for security reasons?	03:20
merlin1991	you cna#t modify anything on the cataloge for security reasons ;)	03:21
DocScrutinizer05	no idea why there was an update for 89820987 when extras been enabled	03:21
DocScrutinizer05	I'll teach fsckng HAM about security!	03:21
merlin1991	maybe the expired keys of the ssu repos had something todo with that?	03:22
DocScrutinizer05	bullshit rationale. Worse though to adopt it in cssu	03:22
DocScrutinizer05	(security)	03:22
DocScrutinizer05	btw now orrery is gone as well :-/	03:24
DocScrutinizer05	for upgrade	03:24
DocScrutinizer05	of course	03:24
DocScrutinizer05	I wouldn't want to permanently disable maemo-extras repo!	03:24
merlin1991	my bet is, that the domain policy for the ssu repos within ham was valid as long as the keys were not expired and now all the libs and whatnot that have been pushed to extras can be replaced as if there is no priority to repos anymore	03:25
DocScrutinizer05	pulseaudio-utils: Installed: 0.9.15-1maemo38+0m5 Candidate: 0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5 Version table: 0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5 0 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages *** 0.9.15-1maemo38+0m5 0 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status	03:27
DocScrutinizer05	last update installed crap from tools?	03:28
merlin1991	yep that looks like	03:29
merlin1991	the installed version is in no avaiable repo so I guess tools	03:29
DocScrutinizer05	then that could be the culprit	03:29
DocScrutinizer05	probably since I already had MP nuked when I did last update (?), it "updated" a lot of shit to tools revision level	03:30
Pali	last version of pulseaudio from nokia is 0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5	03:31
DocScrutinizer05	this is a cssu-t system though	03:31
DocScrutinizer05	aah	03:31
Pali	downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/pulseaudio-utils_0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5_armel.deb	03:31
DocScrutinizer05	well, I got a third version I omitted in above paste:	03:32
DocScrutinizer05	0.9.15-1maemo27+0m5 0	03:32
DocScrutinizer05	500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages	03:32
Pali	this is too old version	03:33
Pali	do you have PR1.2 installed?	03:33
DocScrutinizer05	aah old version in same repo	03:33
Pali	no in nokia repo is only last version	03:33
DocScrutinizer05	nfc	03:33
Pali	maybe in SDK is older too	03:33
DocScrutinizer05	500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages	03:34
DocScrutinizer05	hell here's the fuill spam of paste:	03:34
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# apt-cache policy pulseaudio-utils	03:34
DocScrutinizer05	pulseaudio-utils:	03:34
DocScrutinizer05	Installed: 0.9.15-1maemo38+0m5	03:34
DocScrutinizer05	Candidate: 0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	Version table:	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	0.9.15-1maemo43+0m5 0	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	*** 0.9.15-1maemo38+0m5 0	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	100 /var/lib/dpkg/status	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	0.9.15-1maemo27+0m5 0	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages	03:35
Pali	seems like you had disabled SSU repo	03:35
Pali	and now you enabled it	03:35
DocScrutinizer05	nope, I disabled tools repo	03:36
DocScrutinizer05	and now I disabled extras repo	03:36
Pali	aaa, now I see problem	03:36
Pali	DocScrutinizer05, you have in your system enabled PR1.2 nokia repo	03:36
DocScrutinizer05	o.O	03:36
Pali	or PR1.1	03:36
Pali	PR1.1 is downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/mr0/	03:36
Pali	and PR1.3 is downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0	03:37
Pali	I looked into PR1.1 and there is pulseaudio 27	03:37
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-11-10 02:07:14] <DocScrutinizer05> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./	03:37
Pali	and in PR1.3 is 43	03:37
Pali	do apt-get update	03:37
DocScrutinizer05	no change	03:38
Pali	did you downgraded pulseaudio package?	03:39
DocScrutinizer05	nevar	03:39
DocScrutinizer05	why should I do that	03:39
Pali	this looks like bad upgrade to PR.13	03:39
Pali	or some stupid extras package want to downgrade pulseaudio	03:40
Pali	(no idea why)	03:40
Pali	and HAM did it	03:40
DocScrutinizer05	and what about the other 986487 pkg that show up when I enable maemo-extras?	03:41
Pali	or, maybe you have corrupted /var/lib/dpkg/something	03:42
Pali	there is one file on debian where is stored version of each installed package	03:42
DocScrutinizer05	/usr/bin/apt-get install libmissioncontrol-utils ;# Mo., 9. Jul. 2012 11:51:05 CEST	03:42
DocScrutinizer05	/usr/bin/apt-get install procps ;# Fr., 17. Aug. 2012 20:30:11 CEST	03:42
DocScrutinizer05	/usr/bin/apt-get install sp-oops-extract ;# So., 26. Aug. 2012 18:37:46 CEST	03:42
DocScrutinizer05	/usr/bin/apt-get install openntpd ;# Di., 11. Sep. 2012 21:36:04 CEST	03:42
DocScrutinizer05	/usr/bin/apt-get install procps ;# Sa., 15. Sep. 2012 20:10:57 CEST	03:42
DocScrutinizer05	/usr/bin/apt-get install camera-ui=1.1.29.1+0m5 ;# So., 7. Okt. 2012 16:17:11 CEST	03:43
DocScrutinizer05	no way I did any weird things via HAM	03:44
Pali	call: sudo hildon-application-manager-config update	03:44
Pali	and then upload your sources.lists	03:44
DocScrutinizer05	I'm root	03:45
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list	03:46
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*.list	03:46
DocScrutinizer05	deb http://repository.maemo.org/community-testing/ fremantle free non-free	03:46
DocScrutinizer05	deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./	03:46
DocScrutinizer05	deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./	03:46
DocScrutinizer05	http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/latest.log.html#t2012-11-10T03:07:15	03:47
DocScrutinizer05	I guess merlin1991 was on a trace to something	03:48
Pali	ok	03:48
Pali	what is problem?	03:48
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-11-10 02:25:50] <merlin1991> my bet is, that the domain policy for the ssu repos within ham was valid as long as the keys were not expired and now all the libs and whatnot that have been pushed to extras can be replaced as if there is no priority to repos anymore	03:49
Pali	yes, this is true	03:50
Pali	because packages from bad domain are ignored	03:50
Pali	and bad domain is when gpg key is not valid	03:51
Pali	or when gpg key does not match to stored in HAM	03:51
DocScrutinizer05	how to fix that now?	03:52
DocScrutinizer05	I mean, I wanna enable extras again	03:52
Pali	ask nokia to increase life of gpg key	03:52
merlin1991	rehost ssu repo and put the key you use to sign it into the trusted zone	03:52
DocScrutinizer05	and forget PA-utils for now	03:52
DocScrutinizer05	I'm not hosting ssu	03:53
merlin1991	well you could use apt-pinning to give the ssu repo a higher priority	03:55
Pali	is there anybody in nokia who can change gpg key expiration?	03:55
merlin1991	you basically have to give it a prio over 100	03:55
merlin1991	err over 1000	03:55
merlin1991	Pali: X-Fade could	03:55
merlin1991	...	03:55
DocScrutinizer05	dang, aren't we hosting ssu?	03:55
Pali	and how expiration of gpg keys working?	03:56
merlin1991	we are hosting a subset of ssu that works as long as regular ssu works	03:56
merlin1991	Pali: when you create a key you either specifiy an expiration date or "valid forever"	03:56
merlin1991	so nokia would have to resign repos with a new key and push an ssu update containing the fingerprint	03:56
Pali	yes, but I think that there is option to change expiration date of existing key	03:57
DocScrutinizer05	so, wait a minute! what's the actual situation now? Is it just me who hosed his device, or do we face a major desaster?	03:57
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#Limiting_the_damage you'll have to pin nokia ssu and cssu at a higher level than extras	03:57
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: gotta check on my device but possibly everyone	03:57
merlin1991	if my guess is correct about the source of your problem	03:58
DocScrutinizer05	I noticed several maemo keys being expired on http last few days	03:59
merlin1991	yeah (almost) all sll certs around maemo.org have expired aswell	03:59
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: I fail to clearly figure how to tell this pinning voodoo about the repo to pin/priorize	04:05
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DocScrutinizer05	l=?	04:06
merlin1991	uh I don't know either, gotta read the docs, but I think you can pin based on "suite" which is in the release file on the repo	04:06
DocScrutinizer05	gibberish to me, sorry	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	Package: *	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	Pin: release l=Extras	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	Pin-Priority: 1001	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	is suppesed to do what? prio of maemo-extras to 1001?	04:07
DocScrutinizer05	so my guess been I have to swap Extras by ssu/cssu	04:08
merlin1991	yeah pin ssu and cssu	04:08
merlin1991	and look into the release files ie there's l (label	04:08
merlin1991	arf	04:08
merlin1991	paste fale	04:08
merlin1991	ie http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.3/Release	04:08
merlin1991	Suite can be matched with a=string, label with l=string	04:09
DocScrutinizer05	I'm too tired to get what you're trying to tell me	04:09
DocScrutinizer05	nfc about apt and pinning	04:10
DocScrutinizer05	neither about suite	04:10
DocScrutinizer05	and God damn me if I know what to look up in http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.3/Release	04:15
DocScrutinizer05	shouldn't I maybe lookup "Label: XXXXX" in CSSU repo Release file?	04:17
merlin1991	yep	04:18
merlin1991	cssu has a label of community-testing	04:18
merlin1991	so you can match that with Pin: release l=community-testing	04:18
DocScrutinizer05	so I prepare a file with.. ? TWO sections like	04:19
DocScrutinizer05	Package: *	04:19
DocScrutinizer05	Pin: release l=Extras	04:19
DocScrutinizer05	Pin-Priority: 1001	04:19
merlin1991	extras has to have no prio	04:19
merlin1991	you need to pin ssu and cssu at the same prio (or cssu higher than ssu) and leave extras alone	04:20
DocScrutinizer05	yes, but do I need TWO sections for cssu-testing and nokia-ssu or whatever the name?	04:20
merlin1991	yep you need 2 sections	04:20
merlin1991	and the file is in /etc/apt/preferences	04:20
merlin1991	or actually is exactly that path	04:20
DocScrutinizer05	now just about the friggin label of nokia ssu	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	ssu/mr0 ?	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	or maybe ssu/apps?	04:21
DocScrutinizer05	meh, nm. https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 is 404 or sth	04:22
DocScrutinizer05	so nfc again where to find the Release file there	04:23
DocScrutinizer05	to look up "Label: nokia-ssu"	04:24
DocScrutinizer05	or "Label: MR0" or whatever it might be	04:25
merlin1991	yeah the friggin ssu repo requires user and pass :/	04:25
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	04:26
merlin1991	and ofc the proper path	04:26
merlin1991	hm should be https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/dists/Release	04:26
DocScrutinizer05	Access Denied though	04:26
DocScrutinizer05	wait, wasn't that a question of right device to run browser on?	04:27
DocScrutinizer05	meh, N900 microb also shows "Access Denied"	04:28
DocScrutinizer05	ok, that nokia ssu repo isn't pin-able	04:34
DocScrutinizer05	so what now?	04:34
merlin1991	well either wait for nokia, or add some hugeass mp to cssu that pins everything ssu related	04:35
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DocScrutinizer05	should I try to install my MP again, for a first shot?	04:35
merlin1991	well in order to have cssu you can't use the ssu mp, and the cssu mp doesn't pin anything that we didn't update	04:36
DocScrutinizer05	who knows, maybe all those 897498 pkgs were just those that cssu updated?	04:37
* merlin1991 wonders with which key cssu is signed		04:37
DocScrutinizer05	actually it were maybe 100	04:37
DocScrutinizer05	good question	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	I thought you have that, but on second thought...	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	probably x-fade created one for us?	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr ?	04:38
merlin1991	yep	04:38
DocScrutinizer05	k	04:39
merlin1991	but it's probably not going to help	04:39
merlin1991	and obviously brings back camera-ui	04:39
DocScrutinizer05	yoh	04:39
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DocScrutinizer05	The following extra packages will be installed: busybox-symlinks-procps camera-ui The following packages will be REMOVED: procps The following NEW packages will be installed: busybox-symlinks-procps mp-fremantle-community-pr The following packages will be upgraded: camera-ui	04:40
DocScrutinizer05	yoh yoh yoh	04:40
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DocScrutinizer05	now would I dare to do a `apt-get -s upgrade` instead of starting HAM?	04:42
DocScrutinizer05	nm, need to activate extras anyway	04:45
DocScrutinizer05	meh	04:45
DocScrutinizer05	takes minutes	04:45
DocScrutinizer05	so I guess...	04:46
DocScrutinizer05	yep, 94984270982 pkgs to update	04:46
DocScrutinizer05	this is pretty symptomatic:	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# apt-cache policy maemo-launcher	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	maemo-launcher:	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	Installed: 0.35-7+0m5	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	Candidate: 0.35-7+0m5	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	Version table:	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	0.35-7+0m5 0	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	*** 0.35-7+0m5 0	04:47
DocScrutinizer05	100 /var/lib/dpkg/status	04:48
merlin1991	ham trolls you ;)	04:48
DocScrutinizer05	installed: some unknown (or deprecated or whatnot) version "from var/lib/dpkg/status"; Candidate: a supposedly more trusted higher prio identical version from extras	04:50
DocScrutinizer05	or rather from Nokia ssu?	04:50
DocScrutinizer05	err nope, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages should be extras aiui	04:51
DocScrutinizer05	or not? I should stop this, as long as my beloved N900 is still alive	04:51
DocScrutinizer05	deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free is extras	04:52
DocScrutinizer05	seems we should get a hold of X-Fade as SOON AS POSSIBLE	04:53
DocScrutinizer05	X-Fade: ping! merlin1991found out that our cssu cert expired. We need a fixed one urgently	04:54
merlin1991	/lib/dpkg/status is the currently installed pacakge	04:54
DocScrutinizer05	:nod:	04:54
DocScrutinizer05	gathered as much	04:54
merlin1991	actually the nokia ssu cert expired ;)	04:55
merlin1991	about the cssu cert I'm not 100% sure	04:55
merlin1991	gotta check that myself	04:55
DocScrutinizer05	yeah, might still be me and my friggin tools repo	04:55
merlin1991	and ofc I have to check on my device it it is going similar foobar	04:58
merlin1991	btw it might actually be even funkier	04:58
merlin1991	extras	04:58
merlin1991	is a trusted repo too	04:58
merlin1991	it came in pr1.2	04:58
merlin1991	maybe that cert is valid and the nokia ssu isn't anymore	04:58
merlin1991	I didn't run into the problem because I only have extras-devel enabled, but I'll do some testing when I get home	04:59
merlin1991	btw do you see the bazillion updates in apt or in ham?	04:59
merlin1991	(or both)	04:59
merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: ^^	05:01
DocScrutinizer05	in HAM	05:01
DocScrutinizer05	haven't checked apt	05:02
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-11-10 03:42:56] <DocScrutinizer05> now would I dare to do a `apt-get -s upgrade` instead of starting HAM?	05:02
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: in fact I wouldn't exactly know what to do in apt to simulate the HAM "update" display	05:03
DocScrutinizer05	Reading package lists... Done	05:05
DocScrutinizer05	W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546	05:05
DocScrutinizer05	W: GPG error: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Release: The following signatures were invalid: KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546 KEYEXPIRED 1349249546	05:05
DocScrutinizer05	W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems	05:05
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: ^^^	05:05
DocScrutinizer05	on apt-get update	05:06
DocScrutinizer05	it's a Warning though	05:08
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder if that might be related to new HAM version	05:08
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: http://pastebin.com/QrqdWWWj	05:11
DocScrutinizer05	ooh, and just for the shits'n'giggles: http://pastebin.com/A7J3h5kh	05:19
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merlin1991	DocScrutinizer05: still around?	05:34
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DocScrutinizer05	yep	05:42
DocScrutinizer05	err WUT??? infobot_ ??	05:42
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DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: yep, still around	05:44
merlin1991	I just got home, need to charge my n900 a bit then I'll try myself	05:44
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DocScrutinizer05	seen my pastebins?	05:45
merlin1991	yep	05:45
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DocScrutinizer05	just remembered the Z900 (N900-thombie), and noticed it has a [!] and says "maemo5-thumb update available"	05:48
merlin1991	and apt-worker is running :D	05:58
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merlin1991	aaaand ham troll me	06:02
merlin1991	nice	06:02
merlin1991	s/troll/trolls/	06:02
DocScrutinizer05	not really	06:02
DocScrutinizer05	I want my plastic medal now for digging this up first	06:03
DocScrutinizer05	shit	06:03
merlin1991	so far I didn't see a bazillion of packges to upgrade	06:03
DocScrutinizer05	hmm?	06:03
DocScrutinizer05	what now?	06:04
merlin1991	I currently have extras, ssu, and cssu enabled and see no avaiable updates	06:04
merlin1991	in my case it would only upgrade gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg	06:05
DocScrutinizer05	well, what does apt-get update tell you?	06:05
merlin1991	the ususal with the 2 key expired warnings	06:05
DocScrutinizer05	ummm	06:05
* merlin1991 tries what happens if he removes the mp		06:06
DocScrutinizer05	rather isntall procps	06:07
merlin1991	ah yeah	06:07
merlin1991	I need the tool repo right?	06:08
DocScrutinizer05	possibly	06:08
DocScrutinizer05	tough policy is again cryptic to me	06:08
DocScrutinizer05	500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages	06:09
DocScrutinizer05	Candidate: 1:3.2.7-11maemo1+0m5	06:09
merlin1991	ah seems to be in extras	06:09
merlin1991	still only gstreamer	06:10
DocScrutinizer05	I still suspect the enabled tools repo been the culprit	06:10
merlin1991	you must have somehow f00bared your device with the tools repo, becuase I really can't reproduce the problem here	06:11
DocScrutinizer05	I'm pretty sure enabling tools and then installing sth while MP is gone will cause this mess	06:11
DocScrutinizer05	though, would something like >> Inst python-osso [0.4-0maemo4] (0.4-0maemo5 Extras:2.0/fremantle-1.3) << be related to tools?	06:14
DocScrutinizer05	I pasted last few months of apt-get install logs way up	06:15
merlin1991	well for starters I don't even have python-osso installed here	06:16
merlin1991	and extras seems to ship the maemo5 version	06:16
DocScrutinizer05	and I for sure didn't any fapman or HAM stuff that's more insane than enabling a catalog	06:16
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DocScrutinizer05	here's another one: Inst python2.5-qt4-maemo5 [4.7.3-maemo5] (4.7.5-maemo2 Extras:2.0/fremantle-1.3) []	06:17
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DocScrutinizer05	well, you got them all in my pastebin	06:17
DocScrutinizer05	the weird stuff is why I had to reinstall procps several times	06:18
DocScrutinizer05	I guess my apt-get log is missing the --reinstall calls	06:19
merlin1991	btw is that paste with or without extras enabled?	06:20
DocScrutinizer05	errr with	06:20
DocScrutinizer05	without there's not that much	06:20
DocScrutinizer05	only those 3 pkgs	06:21
merlin1991	hm well the only idea i have is, that you installed something without having extras enabled, otherwise why would you have so many old pkgs?	06:21
DocScrutinizer05	hmmm	06:21
DocScrutinizer05	so you think I should allow an upgrade all?	06:24
merlin1991	at least that list looks safe	06:24
DocScrutinizer05	I wonder how the F* this list could show up now while before it never did	06:25
DocScrutinizer05	whatever, HAM GO GO GOOOOO	06:25
DocScrutinizer05	this seems to take a while	06:29
merlin1991	the python stuff takes some time, it optifies on install or something similar weird	06:35
DocScrutinizer05	python-pyside-qtcore(1.0.5-1maemo1) conflicts with python-pyside-qtgui(1.0.0-1maemo1) :-/	06:38
merlin1991	hm but there should be an equally new python-pyside-qtgui	06:41
DocScrutinizer05	python-pyside-qtgui(1.0.5-1maemo1) installing	06:41
DocScrutinizer05	HAM bastard	06:42
DocScrutinizer05	pythin2.5-qt4-common(4.7.5-maemo2) and python2.5-sip4(4.11-maemo0) in python-2.5-qt4-common conflict with python2.5-qt4-core(4.7.3-maemo5)	06:44
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq	06:45
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DocScrutinizer05	python2.5-qt4-core conflicts with python2.5-qt4-gui(4.7.3-maemo5) dafaqfaqfaqfaq	06:47
merlin1991	well you need to update all python qt packages in one go	06:47
merlin1991	they need exact versions	06:47
DocScrutinizer05	this is HAM!!	06:47
merlin1991	you need to find the single package that depends on all the others then :D	06:47
DocScrutinizer05	hahahaha	06:48
DocScrutinizer05	I'll run it a second time	06:49
merlin1991	which would be python-pyside	06:49
DocScrutinizer05	and then a third time if necessary	06:49
DocScrutinizer05	:shrug:	06:50
DocScrutinizer05	no more available updates	06:50
DocScrutinizer05	apt-worker busy like hell	06:50
DocScrutinizer05	The following packages have been kept back:	06:52
DocScrutinizer05	libsdl-mixer1.2	06:52
DocScrutinizer05	0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.	06:52
DocScrutinizer05	NFC who installed the failing pkgs now, and when	06:52
DocScrutinizer05	IroN900:~# apt-cache policy python2.5-qt4-core	06:54
DocScrutinizer05	python2.5-qt4-core:	06:54
DocScrutinizer05	Installed: 4.7.5-maemo2	06:54
DocScrutinizer05	Candidate: 4.7.5-maemo2	06:54
DocScrutinizer05	merlin1991: thanks anyway	06:54
DocScrutinizer05	psproc and camera-ui in place again, everything fine	07:02
DocScrutinizer05	fsck tools repo	07:02
* DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if apt could update pkgs from their original repos only		07:04
DocScrutinizer05	n8	07:04
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kerio	DocScrutinizer05: yep	09:59
kerio	it's kinda doable	09:59
kerio	i think, at least	10:00
kerio	pin that package/repo combination at 600	10:00
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Pali	~seen X-Fade	12:19
infobot	x-fade is currently on #maemo (2h 6m 9s) #harmattan (2h 6m 9s) #meego (2h 6m 9s) #maemo-ssu (2h 6m 9s), last said: 'ZogG_laptop: ?'.	12:19
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Pali	ping freemangordon	13:04
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freemangordon	Pali: pong	13:32
Pali	freemangordon, check your time(zone) for git, in systemui alarm repo is good anomaly :D	13:33
freemangordon	Pali: I am using virtual machine, it could be that time zone is not setup correctly	13:34
Pali	ok	13:34
freemangordon	hmm, settings look ok	13:34
freemangordon	time zone is correct	13:34
Pali	anyway I pushed new patch for debian/control	13:35
Pali	(commit time about 30 minutes ago)	13:35
freemangordon	Pali: good. And I pushed some fixes, alarmui should be working ok now	13:35
Pali	ok :-)	13:36
freemangordon	ok as in stock :)	13:36
freemangordon	I am going to remove all of the global variables dhit	13:36
freemangordon	can't believe it is written in that way :(	13:36
freemangordon	did yoiu look at the code?	13:37
freemangordon	*you	13:37
Pali	yes	13:39
Pali	btw, why are you marking that c source file as executable?	13:39
freemangordon	I am using QtCreator under windows to edit it	13:39
freemangordon	chmod 777	13:39
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Pali	chmod 666 or chmod 644	13:40
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freemangordon	ok, ok, I know, no particular reason for 777	13:40
jon_y	C file doubles as a shell script to compile itself :)	13:40
Pali	jon_y, not possible because header #!/ is not comment in C	13:41
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freemangordon	hmm, power outage :(	13:47
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jon_y	Pali: it calls sed to output and stream itself to gcc?	14:04
jon_y	yeah, probably more complicated than required	14:04
Pali	jon_y, stupid, because that source is plugin, not executable	14:04
Pali	jon_y, but tcc can be used as #!/usr/bin/tcc -run :-)	14:04
Pali	tcc is tiny c compiler	14:05
jon_y	yeah, I forgot about tcc	14:05
jon_y	tcc should implement repl-like functionality :)	14:06
jon_y	so C can run as fast as interpreted script code :)	14:06
kerio	jon_y: there's CINT for that	14:10
kerio	or picoc	14:10
jon_y	does it run as fast as interpreted code? :)	14:10
kerio	idk	14:11
jon_y	it's a feature to emulate that part as well	14:11
kerio	just write the interpreter in python :D	14:11
jon_y	oh, I have pypy to do that, infinite recursions	14:12
jon_y	may run out of stack running helloworld tests	14:12
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kerio	:3	15:10
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kerio	jon_y: pypy works by black magic, though	15:17
jon_y	I guess jython it is	15:18
kerio	jython sucks :(	15:19
kerio	Pali: i want moar features in your battery applet!	15:19
jon_y	kerio: only doing a subset of python?	15:19
Pali	kerio, patches are welcome :-)	15:19
kerio	jon_y: nah, i think it does pretty much everything cpython does, except for the c bindings thing	15:20
kerio	Pali: no, i don't actually want to do things	15:20
kerio	>:D	15:20
jon_y	I do JNI for that :)	15:20
jon_y	or JNA	15:20
kerio	jon_y: jython runs in the jvm	15:20
kerio	it's evil	15:20
jon_y	even if it is the GNU classpath? :)	15:20
* jon_y has no idea how good the gnu jvm thing is		15:21
kerio	maybe kaffe is better?	15:22
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jon_y	kerio: kaffe?	15:23
kerio	oh, it does use gnu classpath	15:23
jon_y	does it go up to Java 1.7 standards?	15:24
kerio	i doubt it	15:24
kerio	the last stable release was 4 years ago	15:24
jon_y	ouch	15:25
kerio	openjdk+icedtea is neat	15:26
kerio	Pali: btw, what does the battery applet uses right now?	15:26
jon_y	icedtea is the jvm?	15:27
kerio	jon_y: idk	15:28
kerio	it's basically openjdk with replacements for the binary parts	15:28
jon_y	ok, it's a build system for openjdk	15:28
tadzik	Pali: speaking of battery widget, the estimated time seems completely nonsensical, what kind of value this is? Estimated runtime at warp 9?	15:29
jon_y	I want that on windows too :(	15:29
tadzik	(no irony, I'm seriously curious)	15:29
Pali	kerio, it is written in C using GTK+Hildon	15:29
Pali	tadzik, data from BME	15:29
Pali	or data from BME replacement drivers	15:30
tadzik	I see	15:30
tadzik	So it doesn't calculate stuff on its own?	15:30
kerio	tadzik: ofc not	15:31
kerio	tadzik: /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/time_to_empty_now	15:32
kerio	tadzik: or /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/time_to_empty_avg	15:32
kerio	not sure how the data gets there though	15:32
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tadzik	kerio: I don't seem to have /sys/class/power_supply at all	15:49
kerio	tadzik: it's not my fault your kernel sucks	15:49
tadzik	well, shame on KP then	15:50
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Pali	tadzik, replacement bq modules are by default blacklisted	16:09
Pali	because are incompatible with BME	16:09
Pali	that kernel modules are replacement for BME	16:10
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kerio	Pali: where's the blacklist?	16:18
kerio	and what loads them?	16:18
Pali	which blacklist?	16:19
kerio	the module blacklist	16:19
Pali	/etc/modprobe.d/	16:20
kerio	i see	16:20
kerio	what's mousedev?	16:20
Pali	Mouse (ExplorerPS/2) device interfaces	16:24
Pali	it is disabled since v34 by titan	16:26
kerio	why?	16:45
* freemangordon wonders how to properly test the changes in alarm UI		16:46
kerio	Pali: how can i convince you to give absolute priority to bq27200 data over rx51-battery data?	16:46
freemangordon	kerio: which data, voltage?	16:47
kerio	freemangordon: total capacity, percentage	16:47
Pali	bq27x00_battery cannot report total capsacity	16:47
freemangordon	kerio: bq27000 needs a calibration to have proper values	16:48
kerio	Pali: it reports the full charge	16:48
freemangordon	this one too	16:48
kerio	freemangordon: which is better than the silly value reported by rx51-battery	16:48
Pali	there is no full charge	16:48
kerio	(where does that come from?)	16:48
Pali	only some last value	16:48
kerio	Pali: /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/charge_full	16:48
Pali	value that consider chip as last used	16:48
kerio	that's not the last value, that's the last calibration value	16:49
kerio	aged "appropriately"	16:49
freemangordon	kerio: this is not design capacity	16:49
Pali	kerio, it is last	16:49
kerio	freemangordon: why should we use design capacity?	16:49
kerio	Pali: it's the last if you followed the proper calibration procedure	16:49
kerio	...which makes it accurate	16:49
freemangordon	"proper calibration procedure"	16:49
freemangordon	this	16:49
Pali	rx51_battery reporting full capacity	16:50
kerio	freemangordon: yeah but bq27200 doesn't save the full charge unless you reach VDQ and then go down to EDV1	16:51
Pali	bq27x00_battery reporting last or design=2048mAh	16:51
kerio	Pali: it's because you haven't calibrated it	16:51
kerio	the design is silly, yes, but we don't really need that	16:51
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: is there a way to figure out if bq27k has been calibrated?	16:51
Pali	kerio, what is the problem??	16:52
kerio	...oh, of course there is, CI	16:52
Pali	I do not understand...	16:52
kerio	Pali: using battery design is silly, and becomes sillier as the battery becomes older	16:52
Pali	and what?	16:53
kerio	the most accurate thing to measure battery data is bq27200, when properly calibrated	16:53
kerio	Pali: maybe it's just me, but 75% to me means that the battery has 75% of the charge that it can hold as of now, not 75% of the charge that it could hold when it was manufactured	16:54
kerio	Pali: btw, there's no "done charging" apparently	17:03
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: bq27200 is reporting percent-of-current-capacity for charge-level	17:28
DocScrutinizer05	freemangordon: I don't know if we'd need design-capacity anywhere for battery-statusbar-applet etc	17:30
DocScrutinizer05	it's irrelevant and often incorrect too	17:31
freemangordon	deffinitely we need it for genuine(or not) batteries	17:32
DocScrutinizer05	the charge values reported on a 'normal' lshal are ratiomentric to the actual max charge that battery currently can hold, not to design capacity	17:32
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: maybe as a measure for weird values caused by lack of calibration?	17:32
DocScrutinizer05	this is particularly true when deducing charge level from voltage	17:33
freemangordon	of course, but it is good to be able to compare reported capacity agains what is written on the label	17:33
DocScrutinizer05	not done in statusapplet-battery	17:33
DocScrutinizer05	you might need design-capacity when bq27200 is CI, and you want to deduce available charge in mAh from voltage	17:34
DocScrutinizer05	available charge in % from voltage is a formula with one variable: voltage	17:35
DocScrutinizer05	available charge in mAh is with 2 variables: voltage and design capacity	17:36
DocScrutinizer05	unless you got better values from bq27200 since CI=0	17:36
freemangordon	Pali: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-systemui-alarm/commit/5209126ea32c19013a3435b6740a66df0e432632	17:37
freemangordon	:)	17:37
freemangordon	Guys I need volunteers to test the alarm UI	17:37
freemangordon	so far clock alarm should be ok	17:37
freemangordon	but IDK how to test calendar alarm	17:37
freemangordon	new UI allows alarms with 1 minute interval ;)	17:38
freemangordon	auto-snooze should work too with multiple alarms	17:38
Pali	working it in portrait mode?	17:39
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freemangordon	Pali: hmm, never tested it :D	17:39
Pali	ok	17:40
freemangordon	but that will be the cherry on the top when FUNCTIONALITY is ok :P	17:40
Pali	next question, difference between nokia and your version	17:40
freemangordon	BTW portrait works with forced rotation, so I think we only need to add appropriate flag	17:40
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Pali	ok	17:41
freemangordon	Pali: see the commits. Or rephrase	17:41
freemangordon	My changes are on top of "stock"	17:41
freemangordon	I don;t reinvent alarm UI	17:41
Pali	what bugs are in nokia version?	17:42
freemangordon	BTW I really wonder what kind of QA (if any) has passed this piece of crap	17:42
freemangordon	Pali: most of the data is global	17:42
freemangordon	so you just can't have simultanios alarm events	17:43
freemangordon	and all the stuff like that	17:43
freemangordon	memory leaks	17:43
Pali	now you know reason, why nokia did not opensourced it :D	17:43
freemangordon	yeah :(	17:44
DocScrutinizer05	usual reason, actually	17:44
DocScrutinizer05	no kidding	17:44
freemangordon	but I didn't tested calendar and power-on code paths	17:44
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freemangordon	that is why I need volunteers :D	17:45
DocScrutinizer05	power-on is rather tricky	17:45
freemangordon	I know	17:45
DocScrutinizer05	dunno how much gets gandled by alarmd	17:45
DocScrutinizer05	handled*	17:45
freemangordon	it sends the events	17:45
kerio	freemangordon: does it work fine with the replacement for worldclock?	17:45
freemangordon	kerio: those are unrelated	17:46
freemangordon	both are frontends to alarmd	17:46
kerio	are you sure? because it does some weird stuff with alarms for specific days	17:46
freemangordon	"it"?	17:46
kerio	the open worldclock	17:46
DocScrutinizer05	WTF?!	17:47
kerio	the UI to set up alarms is different	17:47
freemangordon	well, could be, I don't use it	17:47
freemangordon	kerio: if you think there is a bug, report it to ade	17:47
kerio	it's not a bug, but i'm afraid that it won't work properly with your UI change :(	17:48
freemangordon	kerio: there is no change to UI	17:49
freemangordon	the changed part is how the alarm events are handeled	17:49
DocScrutinizer05	wait, so what is it you're working on?	17:49
freemangordon	the logic behind the UI	17:49
DocScrutinizer05	Ui of what?	17:50
freemangordon	alarm	17:50
freemangordon	osso-systemui-alarm	17:50
DocScrutinizer05	so I'd see it when I type `alarm` to xterm?	17:50
DocScrutinizer05	osso-systemui-alarm	17:50
DocScrutinizer05	?	17:50
freemangordon	the one with STOP/SNOOZE buttons on it	17:50
Pali	osso-systemui-alarm is plugin for systemui	17:51
Pali	systemui is daemon which do some magic with plugins	17:51
Pali	and one plugin is alarm which show alarms	17:51
DocScrutinizer05	aha	17:52
Pali	alarms are: events from calendar or alarm clock, ...	17:52
freemangordon	:nod:	17:52
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: thanks	17:52
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freemangordon	and it is decoupled to worldclock	17:52
* DocScrutinizer05 sneezes and snivels a few times		17:53
DocScrutinizer05	I gather it gets invoked whenever there's an alarm from alarmd firing	17:54
freemangordon	yep	17:54
DocScrutinizer05	maybe a certain class of alarmd alarm	17:54
Pali	systemui daemon has 27144B and about 1800 lines arm instructions	17:54
DocScrutinizer05	and I gather it's closed (sys-ui)	17:55
freemangordon	ye	17:55
freemangordon	yep	17:55
DocScrutinizer05	lart nokia	17:56
Pali	(without @plt and data sections)	17:56
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kerio	what deals with alarms when the n900 is turned off, btw?	17:56
DocScrutinizer05	the RTC?	17:56
kerio	how does it turn on, i mean?	17:56
DocScrutinizer05	you mean, what handles wakeup alarms during bootup?	17:57
DocScrutinizer05	since device is turned on by RTC	17:57
DocScrutinizer05	obviously	17:57
kerio	oh, neat	17:57
freemangordon	t is RTC that wakes the device on. In ACTDEAD mode	17:57
DocScrutinizer05	LOLWUT, RTC wake reason results in act_dead?	17:58
DocScrutinizer05	how reasonable	17:58
Pali	not in alarm mode?	17:58
freemangordon	it seems so, as there is a code in alarm UI which checks for ACTDEAD	17:59
Pali	there is some rtc mode	17:59
Pali	yes, getbootstate convert rtc mode to actdead	17:59
Pali	so you are right	17:59
Pali	getbootstate report user, actdead or malf	17:59
DocScrutinizer05	now hwat wheed did those engineers smoke?	17:59
Pali	this getboostate was not touched since 770	18:00
Pali	new rewritten getboostate is in harmattan (open source)	18:00
DocScrutinizer05	device coming up from RTC IRQ should enter user runlevel, not act_dead runlevel, for all I could think of	18:01
DocScrutinizer05	anyway we won't touch that for a while I guess, since it seems to work	18:01
Pali	if(!strcmp(bootreason, BOOT_REASON_RTC_ALARM)) {	18:02
Pali	log_msg("Alarm wakeup occured\n");	18:02
Pali	return_bootstate("ACT_DEAD", 0, COUNT_BOOTS);	18:02
Pali	}	18:02
DocScrutinizer05	no matter how screwed the design	18:02
Pali	this is in harmattan getbootstate ^^^^^^	18:02
DocScrutinizer05	yeah	18:02
Pali	and seems that this is in fremantle	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	toldya bootup-alarm handling is rather tricky	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	there might be reasons why it has to come up in act_dead	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	after all you can tell alarm-ui to shut down again	18:03
DocScrutinizer05	or you tell it to boot up completely, when it asks you for lockcode etc	18:04
Pali	getbootstate return: FLASH, LOCAL, TEST, MALF, SHUTDOWN, ACT_DEAD, USER	18:04
DocScrutinizer05	iirc	18:04
DocScrutinizer05	(last tested it ~3 years ago)	18:05
DocScrutinizer05	(since after all, who whould shut down his N900?? ;-P)	18:05
Pali	when you connect charger to powered off device it boot into actdead, if you press power button it full reboot and bootreason will change to sw_rst which getboostate translate to user or malf	18:06
DocScrutinizer05	alarm-ui has to handle all those niche cases	18:06
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DocScrutinizer05	aiui	18:06
Pali	so why I need to reboot my phone??	18:07
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: well, stock one does not handle anything but ACTDEAT	18:07
Pali	SHUTDOWN is handled by /sbin/preinit and it immediately turn off device	18:08
Pali	MALF is also handled by /sbin/preinit and it show stupid message	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	nfc, it handles wakeup from power-down, wake-up from act_dead, and alarms during screen-locked as well as alarms during interactive	18:08
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: irrelevant for alarm-ui	18:08
freemangordon	wake-up from power down because of RTC is act-dead	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	I don't give a shit about what 'it is'	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	it gets handled correctly by stock alarm-ui	18:09
freemangordon	but?	18:09
DocScrutinizer05	nothing but	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	rather make sure this doesn't change for the worse	18:10
freemangordon	ORLY?	18:10
DocScrutinizer05	hehehe	18:11
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DocScrutinizer05	[2012-11-10 17:03:39] <DocScrutinizer05> there might be reasons why it has to come up in act_dead	18:11
DocScrutinizer05	[2012-11-10 17:03:57] <DocScrutinizer05> after all you can tell alarm-ui to shut down again	18:11
freemangordon	no, once woken, it stais there	18:12
freemangordon	AIUI	18:12
DocScrutinizer05	nope	18:12
freemangordon	booted in actdead	18:12
freemangordon	though I might be wrong, didn't checked that part of the code	18:13
DocScrutinizer05	you didn't even check the function in real life	18:14
freemangordon	DocScrutinizer05: what's wring with you man?	18:14
freemangordon	*wrong	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	???	18:14
freemangordon	why don;t you check the commit dates, ok?	18:14
freemangordon	hours even	18:14
DocScrutinizer05	???	18:14
freemangordon	<DocScrutinizer05> you didn't even check the function in real life	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	???	18:15
freemangordon	when I was supposed to do that?	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	before you start to develop patches for that very function?	18:15
freemangordon	the source code is REed	18:15
DocScrutinizer05	to see what original component is doing in that situation?	18:16
freemangordon	ok, ok.	18:16
DocScrutinizer05	set an alarm, power down device, watch alarm firing, look what the alarm-ui does in that particular case	18:17
DocScrutinizer05	as mentioned above I tested that some 3 years ago, so I can't help with 100% accurate info - you're on your own	18:18
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DocScrutinizer05	It comes up, asking "snooze" "stop alarm". Then when I stop alarm, it asks "start up device?" "shut down again?"	18:22
DocScrutinizer05	alas it shuts down during the time I typed this if I don't answer last question	18:23
DocScrutinizer05	(this is most actual recent info now, for your convenience)	18:24
DocScrutinizer05	(all of the above tested with no charger plugged in)	18:26
DocScrutinizer05	when I answer "power up device", it goes thru a complete reboot cycle, incl blue-on-white NOKIA screen and vibrator kicking and all	18:28
DocScrutinizer05	(btw powerkernl still does that also on powerdown - quite a bit puzzling)	18:29
kerio	dafuq?	18:29
kerio	not here	18:29
DocScrutinizer05	I tested on Z900-thumbified and it does exactly that on shutdown:black, screen, .... bwahahaha this time of course it doesn't	18:30
kerio	NOTABUG could not reproduce	18:31
kerio	mwahaha	18:31
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_ade_	kerio: whats that "because it does some weird stuff with alarms for specific days"	18:35
kerio	_ade_: ohai	18:36
kerio	for instance, it supports alarms for specific dates :)	18:36
_ade_	hai	18:36
_ade_	so?	18:36
kerio	so it's something that the stock worldclock doesn't do	18:36
_ade_	okay, I thought we where talking about a bug...	18:37
freemangordon	kerio: if stock alarm UI handles that, there will be no problem with replacement	18:37
kerio	i think that it's an alarmd thing, so there shouldn't be a problem	18:38
DocScrutinizer05	dafaq, it did 3 times irregular behaviour on shutdown now, in a row, and now 3 time shutdown behaviour as expected	18:38
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: i never encountered that behaviour	18:38
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DocScrutinizer05	haha, I know what it did! It changed alarmd time to (real-alarm-time - 1min), and thus on shutdown it already thought "duh, I need to enter act_dead mode now, so I'll be able to kick off due alarm in 90sec"	18:40
_ade_	kerio: for alarms on a specific date, I just fill the timestamp, just like the calendar app does for example.	18:40
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: hahaha	18:41
kerio	_ade_: yep, that's what i figured	18:41
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_ade_	freemangordon: when adding an alarm to alarmd, you can provide a custom alarms sound (per alarm). But that does not work. Is that functionality a part of alarm-ui?	18:45
DocScrutinizer05	Pali: freemangordon: it's obviously like that: alarmd sets RTC to a time some minutes _before_ real alarm is scheduled, to allow system to boot up to act_dead. Alarmd is active in act_dead. Then at real alarm-time as scheduled by used, alarmd emits the according events/signals to start up alarm-ui	18:47
DocScrutinizer05	alarm-ui in turn, when detecting "current-state == act_dead" shows a requester "boot up device?" / "shut down again?" and initiates according runlevel transition	18:48
DocScrutinizer05	HTH	18:49
DocScrutinizer05	btw system on boot-up needs to check if bootreason been RTC-alarm and if so, stays in act_dead for above scheme to work	18:54
kerio	couldn't've they just said to people to keep the phone on to make alarms work? :s	18:55
DocScrutinizer05	you can watch all this if you set an alarm 5+ minutes to the future, and then shut down system. Watch it boot up to act_dead ~1min before your scheduled alarm	18:56
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DocScrutinizer05	kerio: how would you keep device on for as long as alarm set to 2012-12-24,19:30 on the N900 gift for your nephew	19:00
kerio	why would i give my nephew a N900 as a gift instead of keeping it for myself?	19:01
kerio	"the n900 is a dead platform - here, have this galaxy s3"	19:01
DocScrutinizer05	tell him "here's your xmas gift package, it has a hole here you should plug an usb-charger to until you inpack on xmas eve"?	19:01
DocScrutinizer05	meh	19:02
kerio	DocScrutinizer05: somehow i think he'll remember that 24/12 is christmas' eve	19:02
kerio	even without the alarm :)	19:02
DocScrutinizer05	you're a quite uninspired person, aren't you?	19:03
kerio	i'm old enough to open gifts when i receive them :D	19:03
DocScrutinizer05	I think it's a nice surprise if xmas gift package starts off an alarm under the tree, while kids are still singing holy-shit	19:03
kerio	hehe	19:04
kerio	"BEWARE, I LIVE"	19:04
kerio	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-XEINagmaU	19:04
merlin1991	rofl @ "holy-shit"	19:04
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luf	kerio: I also understood how to use dbus + bluez to connect to the remote PAN server ;)	22:43
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