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| freemangordon | merlin1991: Though it was Pali to request it, in case you're interested, we have a fully functional libcal FOSS replacement ;) https://gitorious.org/cal/cal. | 01:09 |
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| * freemangordon wonders why Pali needs it | 01:10 | |
| jon_y | freemangordon: what was the procedure to charge an n900 with a dead battery again? | 01:10 |
| jon_y | what was it called? | 01:10 |
| kerio | jon_y: flatbat recover | 01:10 |
| kerio | ~flatbat_recover | 01:11 |
| jon_y | yes thanks | 01:11 |
| kerio | ~flatbat | 01:11 |
| kerio | ~flatbatrecover | 01:11 |
| infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover | 01:11 |
| freemangordon | hmm, never know it | 01:11 |
| jon_y | awesome thanks guys, I needed that | 01:11 |
| * jon_y needs a new battery too | 01:11 | |
| freemangordon | (~flatbat, not the procedure :D ) | 01:11 |
| ShadowJK | The new nokia bl-5j aren't bad | 01:13 |
| ShadowJK | (the old ones were pretty bad) | 01:13 |
| jon_y | my battery lasts 3 days at most | 01:16 |
| jon_y | that is with minimal usage | 01:17 |
| jon_y | old battery is old, same old battery when I got the phone | 01:17 |
| jon_y | by powered Nokia wallcharger, means a dedicated charger? and not any USB slots? | 01:18 |
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| ShadowJK | Not any usb slots | 02:17 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: ping | 15:44 |
| Pali | freemangordon, pong | 15:55 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: CAL lib is ready, now what? | 16:42 |
| freemangordon | both read/write | 16:42 |
| freemangordon | Pali: https://gitorious.org/cal/cal | 16:43 |
| Pali | freemangordon, ok | 16:45 |
| freemangordon | Pali: feel free to package it :D | 16:55 |
| Pali | freemangordon, ok :-) | 16:55 |
| freemangordon | (if needed) | 16:55 |
| Pali | now I'm trying to solve this problem, but without luck :-( https://www.spoj.pl/problems/NETADMIN/ | 16:56 |
| Pali | I will look at cal later... | 16:56 |
| luf | freemangordon: how low is the bluez-4.99 on your todo? I'm working on stabilization of bluez as tons of memleaks and wrong pointer operations fixed in git .... | 16:56 |
| merlin1991 | btw luf how ready is obdex by now? | 17:14 |
| merlin1991 | in other words should I package the current git for the new -testing? | 17:14 |
| luf | merlin1991: I think you can. No bug report and several fixes. | 17:15 |
| luf | merlin1991: Please don't forgot to include also librtcom-eventlogger1-async (fixed dependency). | 17:16 |
| luf | merlin1991: when do you want to realease the new -testing? | 17:20 |
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| freemangordon | luf: hmm, is bluez ready for prime-time? I mean is it stabel enough so I can put it on my primary device? | 17:43 |
| freemangordon | as I can't think on other way to test it | 17:43 |
| luf | freemangordon: Hmmm it should be ok. But better to wait after I finish with bugfixing (I'm at number around 90 now). | 17:46 |
| freemangordon | luf: ok. As I actually use BT on my everyday n900 often (HF connected all day long) I will wait you to gimme a green light | 17:48 |
| luf | freemangordon: Keep in mind that even green light should makes you a trouble ;) | 17:49 |
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| merlin1991 | luf: I suppose somewhere around next week | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | we've reach critical mass regarding updated packages and it's about time stuff goes into the wild again :) | 18:14 |
| luf | merlin1991: good :) | 18:20 |
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| kerio | wait, bug 90? D: | 19:38 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/90 Make hildon-widget macro names to use GLib standard | 19:38 |
| kerio | i'm running a buggy bluez? D: | 19:38 |
| kerio | no, you silly povbot, i'm talking about bluez | 19:38 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: nope.jpg | 19:43 |
| merlin1991 | er well yes if you installed it by hand | 19:44 |
| merlin1991 | otherwise no | 19:44 |
| kerio | merlin1991: of course i did | 19:45 |
| kerio | the bluez *you* ship is old! | 19:45 |
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| luf | kerio: unfortunately yes. 90 is now the count of patches for bluez-4.99. | 20:19 |
| kerio | luf: i trusted you! | 20:20 |
| kerio | also gimme a new binary plskthx | 20:20 |
| luf | kerio: no new binary yet. | 20:20 |
| kerio | but i want a binary D: | 20:20 |
| luf | kerio: :D Yes I see | 20:20 |
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| freemangordon | luf: I am well aware of that, but I prefer to test *after* there are no known regressions :P | 20:49 |
| kerio | freemangordon: pff, coward | 20:50 |
| kerio | luf: to be fair i had to restart bluetoothd in a couple of occasions | 20:50 |
| kerio | all related to A2DP in weird conditions | 20:50 |
| kerio | like A2DP during wifi monitor mode | 20:51 |
| luf | freemangordon: someone has to find the regressions first ;) | 21:05 |
| luf | kerio: There are several patches for A2DP :) | 21:06 |
| kerio | yay | 21:07 |
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| kerio | feature request: fix /bin/login so it doesn't require the login shell to be listed in /etc/shells | 21:43 |
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| luf | kerio: WTF? I vote againist this "fix" | 22:38 |
| kerio | why? | 22:40 |
| luf | Because it's nice unix like :) And it's wasting of time to remove such thing. You can add you favorite shell to the file. | 23:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | luf: cssu-testing is not meant for THAT type of testing. Finding regressions is a process devels shall *finish* with in their local testbed, before a package goes to cssu-testing. The tesing in CSSU is meant in a sense of verification, not as in development | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re ((<luf> freemangordon: someone has to find the regressions first ;) )) | 23:29 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: I didn't talk about cssu-testing ... | 23:31 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: If I didn't miss something we (kerio, me and free) talk about bluez-4.99. And I don | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok | 23:33 |
| luf | ... I don't propose bluez-4.99 for cssu. | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might have gotten sth wrong | 23:33 |
| kerio | i propose bluez-4.99 for DocScrutinizer | 23:33 |
| luf | kerio: Be patient. It's very time consuming to go through all bluez patches since March. | 23:35 |
| kerio | can't you grab the latest upstream? | 23:35 |
| luf | I don't think so. | 23:35 |
| luf | And I don't want. | 23:36 |
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| * kerio maybe has too much faith in the upstream | 23:37 | |
| luf | kerio: There is removed unix socket and alsa support and it's not tested in any well-known linux distros. | 23:37 |
| luf | At least in test env. | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's a common misconception that upstream was suitable for embedded | 23:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: the n900 kinda blurs the line between embedded and desktop though | 23:38 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | not really | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the hw clearly is defined by all the known embedded properties | 23:39 |
| kerio | which properties? | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | irq event driven, no polling, speed to idle, zeroclock, proprietary "peripherals", etc... | 23:40 |
| kerio | but apart for the proprietary peripherals, those would be good things on a desktop, too | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but "desktop" devels are largely ignorant to the change in thinking that introduces | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it already hurts mer | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with their sensorfw evidently not designed according to those rules | 23:42 |
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| kerio | what's sensorfw? | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the middleware between sensors and apps | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | replacement for stuff like mce, liblocation etc | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it has no proper concept for irq event driven processing | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least last time I checked | 23:45 |
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| ShadowJK | The first I heard of zeroclock and race to idle was actually in connection with intel's lesswatts.org project :) | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's like "app -[poll]->sensorfw-[poll]->peripheral | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | " | 23:46 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hey, at least it's not a busyloop! | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ShadowJK: yeah, intel is aware of those concepts, but not many of the so called "kernel hackers" contributing to mainstream are. That's why basically every embedded device is using a private fork of kernel and lowlevel system libs | 23:49 |
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