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| merlin1991 | luf ping | 13:45 |
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| merlin1991 | @asnyone how would I found out about my hdd drives from the commandline (manufacturer and similar info) | 13:48 |
| merlin1991 | neither luf nor pali around | 14:19 |
| merlin1991 | but i need them both | 14:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: find out about hdd? try hdparm | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: also smart tools may help a lot | 15:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hdparm -I </phy/name> | 15:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | smartctl --all /dev/sda | 15:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe smartctl -i /dev/sda | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a tad more terse | 15:29 |
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| gregoa | merlin1991: lshw is also nice for getting hardware info | 16:27 |
| merlin1991 | gregoa: lshw is nice, I never knew it existed :D | 16:47 |
| gregoa | :) | 16:48 |
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| luf | merlin1991: pong | 16:52 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | luf: you got your account? | 17:01 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: yes. thanks. | 17:01 |
| luf | I didn't assign the task as I want to do once by once. Not all tasks at one time. | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no lshw on my PC | 17:03 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: let's install it ;) | 17:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | must be a buntkuh thing | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 17:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: you seen my semi-honest rant about "blacklisting" rogue pkgs? | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | over at #maemo | 17:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-02 02:03:11] * DocScrutinizer05 honestly ponders to integrate a malware filter to CSSU. First candidates to nuke form device and HAM list of available apps: batterypatch and speedpatch [2012-09-02 02:03:19] <DocScrutinizer05> and fapman [2012-09-02 02:03:23] <DocScrutinizer05> ;-P [2012-09-02 02:04:33] <DocScrutinizer05> meh, waaay simpler: get dummy void packages of same name into CSSU MP | 17:06 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: with a really high version, you mean? | 17:23 |
| kerio | btw, does uninstalling for those work? | 17:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yep | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (for first Q) | 17:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: NFC if you could properly uninstall this *patch abominations | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd rather guess you can't | 17:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/this/these/. | 17:26 |
| kerio | goddammit, where's pali | 17:38 |
| kerio | i want to know how ke-recv is supposed to work | 17:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you're not alone | 17:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe reading source could help? ;-) | 17:43 |
| kerio | i hoped for a bbscript | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bitbake receipe? | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeew | 17:43 |
| kerio | busybox script | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ouch | 17:44 |
| kerio | "shell" is too much for that crap | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ak, I'm fine with that | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok* | 17:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 17:45 |
| kerio | also, i hope pali made his changes configurable | 17:45 |
| kerio | i don't want to export my whole sd when i tap "mass storage mode" | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I doubt there's much configurability in ke-recv | 17:45 |
| kerio | (also, how do i trigger the automounter manually?) | 17:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ke-recv-test ? | 17:45 |
| kerio | hm, there's nothing *that* specific | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | m - enable USB mass storage | 17:46 |
| kerio | hm, maybe e - check device <arg> | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or that | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cb - close battery cover signal | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | will obviously automount the uSD | 17:47 |
| kerio | nope! | 17:47 |
| kerio | doesn't work | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless ke-recv-test is to fake signals *from* ke-recv *to* other subsystems | 17:47 |
| kerio | fdisk /dev/mmcblk1 and then w works, though | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which again is as obscure as ke-recv itself | 17:48 |
| kerio | oh no, doesn't | 17:48 |
| kerio | because i'm actually using the usd | 17:48 |
| kerio | :S | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/trees/master | 17:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for your "convenience" | 17:50 |
| kerio | so far the only way i've found is to use fdisk or similar to trigger the automounter | 17:52 |
| kerio | but it only works if you're not using the uSD at all | 17:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha for http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/ke-recv.schemas#line72 | 17:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | gitorious html formatter doesn't like the <cr> in there, I wonder if it's otherwise harmless | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/ke-recv.schemas#line83 same | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 124 same | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 135, | 17:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/osso-mmc-mount.sh; http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/mmc-mount ?? | 17:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: finally you'll want to have a look to http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c | 18:01 |
| merlin1991 | encoding bs ftw | 18:01 |
| merlin1991 | luf: I'll get back to you tomorrow? or are you around in about 4 hours today? | 18:02 |
| merlin1991 | make that 4 to 6 :D | 18:02 |
| luf | merlin1991: We'll see. | 18:03 |
| luf | Feel free to write what you want even when I'm not available. | 18:05 |
| luf | Or you can send me the mail :) | 18:05 |
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| merlin1991 | well my main question was about rtcom-logger-async, where does the code come from, does it affect other packages aswell, ... | 18:07 |
| merlin1991 | since the obexd update would require it | 18:07 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: blacklist won't worge because said packages don't uninstall properly so we risk more removing them than keeping them | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | s/worge/work/ | 18:09 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: DocScrutinizer05: blacklist won't work because said packages don't uninstall properly so we risk more removing them than keeping them | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | (const char*)dgettext("hildon-fm", "sfil_li_memorycard_removable"), 100); --- BLAERGH! | 18:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c#line149 OOOUUUUUCH! | 18:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c#line149 OOOUUUUUCH!http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c#line168 http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c#line176 HOLY SPAGHETTI MONSTER W*T*F?! | 18:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Author: Kimmo H�m�l�inen <kimmo.hamalainen@nokia.com> | 18:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I probably should memorize that one pretty well | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just in case | 18:15 |
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| * DocScrutinizer05 can't stop puking | 18:16 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a chain of THREE backwards goto plus one forward goto to actual "end of mess" | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I can't recall when I last seen such indigestible mess | 18:17 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh lol | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's how you scare pupils in first class C course | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or general programming class | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. it's worse than worst prototypical bad examples I've ever encountered | 18:20 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: mmc-mount sounds... weird | 18:20 |
| kerio | i mean, there's a file in /etc/default/ that lists the options for vfat partitions | 18:20 |
| kerio | but that's not referred to anywhere :S | 18:20 |
| kerio | i think | 18:20 |
| kerio | or maybe it sets an env? | 18:20 |
| kerio | meh | 18:20 |
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| kerio | i don't even | 18:21 |
| kerio | why did nokia feel the need to reinvent an automounter? | 18:21 |
| kerio | and why didn't they implement it in a sensible way? | 18:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I only hope it's not been pali to introduce this goto-horrorshow in there | 18:22 |
| kerio | check the blame | 18:22 |
| kerio | ivaylo dimitrov | 18:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | tell me how to do that? (check blame) | 18:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah nm | 18:31 |
| kerio | up on that page, "Blame" | 18:31 |
| kerio | alternatively, git someweirdshitthatsoundsunrelated thatfile | 18:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ivaylo dimitrov sounds uncomfortably familiar :-/ | 18:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly this needs cleanup! | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if only it's pulling down lines 143,144, 154,155, 161,162 to bootom of function, in secuence error3: error2: error1: and obviously deleting former 144 155 162 | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | plus a few 3 more edits | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NO BACKWARDS GOTO! NEVER! | 18:48 |
| * kerio prepares a commit to fix that, by using setjmp/longjmp | 18:49 | |
| kerio | u mad | 18:49 |
| kerio | why u mad | 18:50 |
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| illuminata | so i got that nasty auto-reboot bug. just cropped up a couple/few days ago | 18:59 |
| illuminata | gonna try to go ssu, hope it doesn't boot me out | 19:00 |
| illuminata | seems ok enough when i'm actively using an app. yet again i was just actively using the app manager and it rebooted so | 19:00 |
| kerio | auto-reboot bug? :o | 19:02 |
| illuminata | yeah. it sucks bad. icons/carrier name can't stay drawn on the home screen. they disappear. keeps cycling. after a few minutes the phone reboots | 19:03 |
| kerio | what did you install, exactly? | 19:04 |
| kerio | sounds like a dsme reboot | 19:04 |
| illuminata | nothing for months really | 19:04 |
| kerio | well something broke somewhere and dsme gets tired of respawning it so it reboots your phone | 19:05 |
| illuminata | i tried uninstalling omweather, didn't see if i could uninstall rss. those don't draw at all | 19:05 |
| kerio | so... hildon-home problem | 19:05 |
| illuminata | i figured it was something like that but wasn't sure on the specifics | 19:05 |
| kerio | try deleting the config files for that | 19:05 |
| kerio | and by deleting i mean moving somewhere else | 19:05 |
| illuminata | hmm, will try | 19:05 |
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| kerio | illuminata: were you on some flavour of cssu? | 19:06 |
| kerio | maybe thumb? | 19:07 |
| illuminata | nope, just 1.3.1 | 19:07 |
| kerio | but without the appropriate kernel | 19:07 |
| kerio | hm | 19:07 |
| kerio | did you overclock? | 19:07 |
| illuminata | nah | 19:07 |
| illuminata | i mean i really don't do much with this phone short of calls and irc | 19:07 |
| kerio | anyway, you could enable rd mode | 19:08 |
| kerio | and disable the watchdog | 19:08 |
| kerio | (this can be done with flasher) | 19:08 |
| kerio | (well, it must be done with flasher, really) | 19:08 |
| illuminata | will it work with any flavor of the flasher? because i might have to boot up my linux laptop as i'm in a 64 bit windows environment now | 19:09 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 19:10 |
| illuminata | that's either a shrug or a muscle flex | 19:10 |
| kerio | yes | 19:11 |
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| fruct | Hello All. I'm start community-ssu-enabler, and my device is unusable now! Please help me! | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first clean / rename your hildon-desktop related config files like suggested by kerio | 19:28 |
| kerio | fruct: which one? | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fruct: there's a pretty clear and non-interpretable instruction on how to enable CSSU, on | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~cssu | 19:29 |
| infobot | rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 19:29 |
| fruct | kerio: the stable version | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | did you follow that? | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation | 19:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 starts to think there's some weird package named cssu-enabler out there, free to install by user any arbitrary (fapman, apt) way he feels might fit | 19:32 | |
| kerio | he said community-ssu-enabler | 19:32 |
| fruct | I did do backup =( | 19:32 |
| fruct | I'm before install power kernel and enchanced busybox | 19:32 |
| kerio | fruct: what do you mean by "unusable"? | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fruct: there's no support for any other way to install CSSU, other than the one described at http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and actually no other way usually works | 19:34 |
| fruct | the icons and status bar moved to upper left corner and desktop not switch and dont enable edit mode | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (unless your name is kerio and you love to mess with stuff) | 19:34 |
| kerio | =D | 19:34 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hey, i did follow the instruction for cssu-te | 19:34 |
| kerio | and then i realized that HAM is stupid | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't it you who refused to use HAM? | 19:35 |
| kerio | yeah but the first installation used community-ssu-enabler | 19:35 |
| kerio | i mean, followed the whole instructions | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mhm | 19:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so maybe we'll eventually find out if fruct did as well? | 19:36 |
| kerio | by the way, does community-ssu-enabler mark the maemo5 packages for manual installation? because autoremove works fine | 19:36 |
| kerio | i mean, it doesn't autoremove stuff that it shouldn't, for me | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then you're lucky | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for me it did ever since PR1.0.1 | 19:36 |
| kerio | did you upgrade from pr 1.0.1? | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, from PR1.0 | 19:37 |
| kerio | wow | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tp PR1.0.1, to Pr1.1... | 19:37 |
| kerio | never reflashed? neat | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never reflashed | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc | 19:37 |
| kerio | there was a dude that installed dos 6 in a VM | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that's what makes the big difference for autoremove | 19:38 |
| kerio | and then started upgrading windows, from 1 to 7 | 19:38 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you could just mark those package manual | 19:38 |
| kerio | with apt-mark | 19:38 |
| kerio | *packages | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fruct: we (well I at least) still didn't get what exactly you did | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless your problem is with installation as described in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation, I'd suggest you reflash to clean PR1.3, then follow http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *IF* your problem actually was during following instructions of http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation, we'd like to hear details though, to fix any glitches in either cssu-enabler or instructions | 19:42 |
| kerio | maybe it was busybox-power! >:D | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I tried hard to not comment on it ;-P | 19:43 |
| illuminata | wooooow. re-flashed to nokia firmware. still doing that stupid bug | 19:43 |
| kerio | well i actually had a tiny problem with the busybox-power upgrade | 19:43 |
| kerio | er | 19:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | illuminata: please elaborate | 19:44 |
| kerio | well, the reinstall | 19:44 |
| kerio | illuminata: please elaborate, but in #maemo | 19:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 19:44 |
| fruct | kerio: yes! I install busybox-power! | 19:44 |
| kerio | because it's clearly not a CSSU problem anymore :) | 19:44 |
| illuminata | will do. thought i was gonna make progress on that front | 19:44 |
| kerio | fruct: i'm kinda joking, it should cause no problems | 19:44 |
| illuminata | was gonna be like "aw yeah cssu time" | 19:44 |
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| fruct | strange, on loading, first screen - normal and after, desktop becomes not normal | 19:51 |
| luf | merlin1991: I created rtcom-eventlogger-async from scratch. It's dbus daemon for async calls from obexd for call history and also MAP in near future. It's something like evolution-data-server-factory. Nothing else than obexd depends on rtcom-eventlogger-async. I asked you for creating new git repo for it. | 19:56 |
| merlin1991 | ah now I understand what it is :) | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | I'll do the repo | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | it's just, that I darkly remember a package called rtcom-eventlogger, but I don't even know what it does | 20:01 |
| merlin1991 | luf: by MAP you mean what? | 20:02 |
| luf | Message Access P(what is it for?) in obexd. To synchronize also SMS/... with HF. | 20:03 |
| merlin1991 | ah okay, map maps to maps/gps/whatever in my head :D | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Protocol | 20:03 |
| luf | rtcom-eventlogger is from nokia and it's for accessing the sms, call history etc. | 20:03 |
| merlin1991 | is the dbus interface the -async demon exports something that is based on obexd stuff, or more generic? | 20:05 |
| luf | it has two parts. server side and client side (library). Server side is the process what listen on some dbus path and response queries. | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | is it reentrant? | 20:10 |
| luf | The client part is for easy calling it: | 20:10 |
| luf | gint rtcomel_get_event_async(RTCOMELEventCallback cb, const guint id, const gchar *intcols, const gchar *strcols, gpointer closure) | 20:10 |
| luf | gint rtcomel_get_event_list_async(RTCOMELEventListCallback cb, const gchar *query, const gchar *intcols, const gchar *strcols, const guint offset, const gint limit, gpointer closure) | 20:10 |
| luf | gint rtcomel_get_event_list_count_async(RTCOMELEventListCountCallback cb, const gchar *query, const guint offset, const gint limit, gpointer closure) | 20:10 |
| luf | This is exported from the client library. | 20:10 |
| luf | merlin1991: the dbus ensure that only once request is answered at a time in server side. | 20:13 |
| luf | And I see nothing on client side what should be problematic in threads. | 20:14 |
| luf | I took an inspiration from eds and DBUS examples on maemo pages :) | 20:14 |
| kerio | by the way, why does cssu have "releases"? | 20:17 |
| merlin1991 | so anybody could use the lib? | 20:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's actually a good question. In fact I'm pushing towards rolling updates since long. We need to get rid of MP as much as possible for that | 20:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and sort the dependencies mess | 20:27 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's a problem though | 20:27 |
| kerio | HAM can't upgrade non-user, non-metapackage packages | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:28 |
| kerio | fuckin HAM | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | unless they are pulled in as dependency | 20:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you put HAM into red-pill mode, aiui | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: which is removed from ham since pr1.2 (or 1.3) | 20:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, are you 'old enough' to know red-pill? | 20:29 |
| kerio | huh, i am | 20:30 |
| kerio | and i had my first n900 in pr1.2 | 20:30 |
| kerio | \_o_/ | 20:30 |
| kerio | anyway, you also need to tell HAM to show all packages | 20:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I thought pali recently re-introdiuced it | 20:30 |
| kerio | which is what brings the time apt-worker takes to do his things from 4 minutes to 15 minutes, for me | 20:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: how it feels @home again? | 20:45 |
| merlin1991 | not as hot :D | 20:45 |
| merlin1991 | but my pc is broken :/ | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeeew! :-/ | 20:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: we need to clean up the mess in ke-recv: http://pastebin.ca/2200289 | 20:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-02 17:13:25] <DocScrutinizer05> http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c#line149 OOOUUUUUCH!http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c#line168 http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ke-recv/blobs/master/src/events.c#line176 HOLY SPAGHETTI MONSTER W*T*F?! | 20:47 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: hmm, could a hexedited image-viewer be distributed by cssu? | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why not? | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik we already distribute a hexedited libsms.so | 21:04 |
| kerio | to do what? :o | 21:06 |
| kerio | also, can't we do the same for fmtxd? | 21:06 |
| luf | merlin1991: sure anybody could use it. | 21:08 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: your most hated CBSMS oppername applet | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basing on patched libsms.so | 21:14 |
| kerio | D: | 21:14 |
| kerio | i see | 21:14 |
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| kerio | btw, the current one in -devel hasn't shown the problem again | 21:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so you wanna say "WFM"? | 21:15 |
| kerio | i wanna say "i forgive you" | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehehe | 21:15 |
| kerio | but i'm still not sure the bug was fixed | 21:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I feel with and like you | 21:15 |
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| illuminata | cssu was a success. the afternoon dilemma is over it seems | 21:44 |
| illuminata | thanks for all the help | 21:45 |
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| kerio | illuminata: yay | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I am not the original author of the spaghetti code ;) | 21:52 |
| freemangordon | there was a patch on the bugtracker, I just applied it | 21:52 |
| freemangordon | but actually code is not that bad, i LIKE goto | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duuuude! | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://pastebin.ca/2200289 | 21:53 |
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| freemangordon | hehe | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 21:54 |
| freemangordon | I am not saying it can't be done much better :p | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I#m iindeed feeling great relief it's not your crime | 21:55 |
| freemangordon | well, the cases I use backward goto are rare, for example if some counter needs to be reset or such | 21:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a SHOULD NOT case | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 21:57 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | but usually it leads to much clear an simple code than ifs needed to achieve the same | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, there's exactly one accepted usecase for goto: goto error (forward) | 21:58 |
| freemangordon | well, I disagree, as i indeed like it, there are cases when backward goto saves a lot of code. But agree it should be used with caution | 21:59 |
| freemangordon | and only once :D | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | not 3 times in a row | 22:00 |
| freemangordon | https://bugs.maemo.org/8904 | 22:01 |
| povbot | Bug 8904: Memory card name changes to "mmc-undefined-name" after a couple of days | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: Andrew Zabolotny | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | whoever is that guy | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | kerio: btw what is your question about ke-recv? | 22:07 |
| kerio | freemangordon: "how the hell does it work?" | 22:07 |
| kerio | specifically, how do i trigger the automounter? | 22:07 |
| kerio | ke-recv-test e /dev/mmcblk1 didn't work | 22:07 |
| freemangordon | you don;t need to trigger it manually | 22:08 |
| freemangordon | ke-recv-test? | 22:08 |
| freemangordon | what FS is mmcblk1? | 22:08 |
| freemangordon | kerio: ^^^ | 22:09 |
| kerio | mmcblk1p1 is vfat | 22:09 |
| kerio | mmcblk1p2 and mmcblk1p3 are linux swap, but they shouldn't be touched | 22:09 |
| kerio | freemangordon: another question: how do i choose what gets exported in ass rage mode? | 22:09 |
| freemangordon | well, is it /dev/mmcblk1 or /dev/mmcblk1p1? | 22:10 |
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| kerio | because g_file_storage exports the whole of /dev/mmcblk1, which is kinda bad for me, because i *will* be using the swap in mmcblk1p2 | 22:10 |
| kerio | freemangordon: neither worked | 22:10 |
| kerio | "ke-recv-test e" should be "check device" | 22:10 |
| kerio | not sure which kind of check | 22:10 |
| freemangordon | kerio: something is broken there, I use swap partition on SD card and have no problem with seeing vfat partition in PC | 22:11 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i see the vfat partition on pc | 22:11 |
| kerio | but i also see the other two | 22:11 |
| kerio | which is... bad | 22:11 |
| freemangordon | well, it is not ke-rcv to balme | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | *blame | 22:12 |
| freemangordon | I am not dure what will happen if g_file_storage gets /dev/mmcblk1p1 as backing stoeage | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | *storage | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | WTF is wring with me :( | 22:13 |
| freemangordon | seems there is no way to write without typos today, sorry :) | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | kerio: actually it is logical(and better) to see the whole SD card when connected to PC, not only the first VFAT partition | 22:16 |
| kerio | hell naw | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | hell yes | 22:16 |
| kerio | much like it's awful that the PC sees the whole emmc instead of just mydocs | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | no, it is different, SD card is removable storage | 22:17 |
| kerio | well, not on my system | 22:17 |
| kerio | so | 22:17 |
| kerio | how do i configure this? | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | imagine you want to dd an image to your SD card | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | configure what? | 22:17 |
| kerio | configure what gets exported in MSM | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I friggin wonder how swap might be used when same time it's exported assrage | 22:18 |
| kerio | freemangordon: imagine what happens if something else writes to the swap partition | 22:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: kernel magick | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui ass rage umounts all | 22:18 |
| freemangordon | swap is not mounted aiui | 22:18 |
| kerio | swap does not count as mounted, it's just "in use" in some way by the kernel | 22:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: notice that i don't know if the pc can actually write to it | 22:19 |
| kerio | i have good reasons not to try, obviously | 22:20 |
| freemangordon | well, I wonder what will happen if only the partition (i.e. not MBR) gets exported | 22:22 |
| freemangordon | most probably a mess | 22:22 |
| kerio | freemangordon: huh? | 22:28 |
| kerio | why? | 22:28 |
| kerio | it's the same as MyDocs | 22:28 |
| kerio | it's not a fake MBR, it's just a single partition | 22:29 |
| freemangordon | yeah, might be I am wrong. | 22:29 |
| kerio | it's a bit weird, but not too much | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I actually thought uSD would get exported exactly same way | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only first partiton, if more than one exist | 22:30 |
| kerio | i thought so too | 22:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno why I thought that | 22:30 |
| freemangordon | me too, but it does not make sense, tell me how you are going to use dd, fdisk, etc if only firs VFAT partition is exported | 22:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe somebody should check on stock freemantle | 22:31 |
| kerio | freemangordon: by... removing the uSD and doing that on a card reader? | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | the whole device gets exported | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | no change here | 22:32 |
| kerio | besides, you need the appropriate ioctl() call to make the kernel reread the partition table | 22:32 |
| kerio | so you can't fdisk properly anyway | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, does a plain partiton export differ from a whole device export when the whole device is formatted superfloppy? | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | kerio: you can force partition table re-read by simply removing the backcover | 22:33 |
| kerio | ... | 22:33 |
| kerio | SO GET THE CARD OUT AND USE A CARD READER | 22:33 |
| kerio | ffs | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | kerio: well, I don't have card reader, but have 2 n900s :P | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: there is no change to the behaviour compared to stock | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | checked? | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | I am using swap on uSD for 2 years or so. Partitioned through PC | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, fair enough | 22:35 |
| kerio | freemangordon: and you open your backcover like that? | 22:35 |
| kerio | :s | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: "opening backover" might work via ke-recv-test | 22:36 |
| freemangordon | kerio: the use cases for exporting the whole device are much wider than exporting a single VFAT partition only. for example you may have one vfat visible in every OS, and one EXTx, visible in linux | 22:37 |
| kerio | freemangordon: that's why i asked for a way to configure it | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | damn, I looked into precisely all that some 6..12 months ago, can't recall a single detail | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | how the hell you will copy data to that EXTx partition? through wireless? | 22:37 |
| MrPingu | Removing backover is insta-reboot because swap got unmounted | 22:37 |
| kerio | MrPingu: not quite instant | 22:37 |
| freemangordon | MrPingu: only if active | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hehe | 22:38 |
| MrPingu | While I don't have swap on eMMC enabled ;p | 22:38 |
| kerio | freemangordon: sshfs/nfs/whateverfs over usb networking, for instance | 22:38 |
| freemangordon | kerio: you are aware USB networking is 1.1? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, there been some syscall to make kernel re-read partition table? | 22:38 |
| kerio | freemangordon: usb networking is what? | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | sfdisk -R or something | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | kerio: USB 1.1 | 22:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: sure, the thing fdisk does when you write | 22:39 |
| kerio | freemangordon: o rly | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | afaik | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | it is not USB 2.0 | 22:39 |
| freemangordon | try it | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS | 22:39 |
| kerio | i distinctly remember getting a fuckload of MB/s | 22:40 |
| kerio | besides, g_ether is better anyway | 22:40 |
| freemangordon | ssh? | 22:40 |
| kerio | just the connection | 22:40 |
| kerio | with nc | 22:40 |
| kerio | send zeros from one side, discard them on the other | 22:40 |
| kerio | hrmpf, i can't retest now | 22:40 |
| kerio | because otherwise i'd lose VDQ | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I got some 12..14MB/s which is way beyond the max of 12Mb/s of usb1.1 | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | well, AFAIK g_ether is not USB 2.0 | 22:41 |
| kerio | then maybe g_nokia is better | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in ass rage mode | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | g_noika is 2.0 AFAIK | 22:41 |
| kerio | i wonder if pali's patch to automatically enable usb networking in pc suite mode is already in -devel | 22:41 |
| kerio | freemangordon: then use g_nokia | 22:41 |
| kerio | no biggie | 22:41 |
| freemangordon | kerio: under XP? | 22:41 |
| kerio | no, we're trying to write to an ext3 partition | 22:42 |
| kerio | so linux :) | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | but it is not exported anywa, so it does not matter | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | :P | 22:42 |
| kerio | there's nothing exported, we're trying to work around it | 22:42 |
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| freemangordon | whatever | 22:42 |
| freemangordon | the way it is now, is compatible with all of the OSes around, in HS mode | 22:43 |
| kerio | nope | 22:43 |
| kerio | i can't write to an ext3 partition from xp | 22:43 |
| freemangordon | are you sure? | 22:43 |
| kerio | if we allow using third-party software then there's no reason usb networking via g_nokia shouldn't be allowed too | 22:44 |
| freemangordon | kerio: I am missing your point, really. You want us to remove functionality because you have some special use case? | 22:45 |
| kerio | I WANT IT TO BE CONFIGURABLE SO I CAN CHANGE IT FROM THE DEFAULT WHICH IS HOW IT IS AND HOW IT'S ALWAYS BEEN TO BETTER FIT MY NEEDS | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | The functionality tha exists in stock fremantle | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | then file a bug dammit | 22:45 |
| freemangordon | and stop shouting, ok? | 22:46 |
| kerio | OK, FRIEND! | 22:46 |
| freemangordon | seems your capslock has stuck | 22:46 |
| * kerio was joking | 22:46 | |
| * freemangordon was not | 22:47 | |
| freemangordon | really, file a bug | 22:47 |
| kerio | i just filed a bug! | 22:47 |
| kerio | right here! | 22:47 |
| freemangordon | no, the place to file a bug is on the bugtracker ;) | 22:48 |
| kerio | i'll just wait for pali | 22:52 |
| kerio | he's much nicer to me :c | 22:52 |
| kerio | oh pali, where art thou | 22:53 |
| freemangordon | he has exams, so don't hold your breath :P | 22:53 |
| kerio | pff, lack of commitment | 22:54 |
| kerio | i have two exams this month | 22:54 |
| freemangordon | you'll have to deal with the evil freemangordon :D | 22:54 |
| kerio | but am i studying? | 22:54 |
| kerio | no, i'm slacking off on irc | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shut up, kids! | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-P | 22:56 |
| kerio | but we're bored! | 22:56 |
| kerio | tell us a story, uncle scrutinizer! | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sep 2 21:56:26 halebop kernel: [2666849.686045] usb 2-2: new high speed USB device number 15 using ehci_hcd | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sep 2 21:56:26 halebop kernel: [2666849.803102] usb 2-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=01c7 | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sep 2 21:56:26 halebop kernel: [2666849.803105] usb 2-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sep 2 21:56:26 halebop kernel: [2666849.803107] usb 2-2: Product: N900 (Storage Mode) | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | new **high** speed USB device | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | storage mode | 22:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | halebop:/home/jr/Dokumente/downloads/hplip # lsusb -vd 0421:01c7 | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Bus 002 Device 015: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones N900 (Storage Mode) | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ... | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bcdUSB 2.00 | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so much for ass rage is usb1.1 | 23:01 |
| kerio | this story was boring | 23:02 |
| kerio | and freemangordon said g_ether was usb1.1 | 23:02 |
| kerio | not g_file_storage | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now THIS story is boring | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2012-09-02 21:38:53] <freemangordon> kerio: you are aware USB networking is 1.1? | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 23:07 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 is boring | 23:07 | |
| kerio | but is it? i don't think so | 23:07 |
| kerio | g_nokia is faster than 1.1 | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never ever used g_nokia or usb networking | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | waaay too boring ;-P | 23:08 |
| kerio | usb networking is the shit | 23:08 |
| kerio | lagfree, phat throughput | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | knetworkmanager sucks donleyballs though | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I would've no internet on laptop when connecting to N900 via USB networking. Unbearable | 23:11 |
| kerio | wat | 23:13 |
| kerio | why? | 23:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as soon as I activate PC suite mode, knetworkmanager grabs it and I can't manually config it any more | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas knetworkmanager handles it as NIC | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather usb-modem | 23:15 |
| kerio | hahahahahahah | 23:16 |
| kerio | try g_ether then | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 23:16 |
| kerio | besides, the usb network card is a separate thing | 23:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe, but it already conflicts with normal network connectivity on KDE | 23:17 |
| kerio | damn, kde sucks | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, currently knetworkmanager thinks there's NO NIC at all, so maybe worth another try, since the NIC this text is traveling over should be invisible and thus unaffected | 23:18 |
| kerio | oh lol | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I probably been fed up and configured it as "on-boot" and "manual config" | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh LOL, network manager not running, please start it | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | incredible shit | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sep 2 22:21:08 halebop dbus-daemon[996]: dbus[996]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.NetworkManager' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service' | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Sep 2 22:21:08 halebop dbus[996]: [system] Activation via systemd failed for unit 'dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service': Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status dbus-org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.service' for details. | 23:22 |
| kerio | oh poetter | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | indeed | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~poettering | 23:22 |
| infobot | 'sth is poettering' means it acts invasive, possessive, destructive, and generally in an egocentric exacerbating negative way. ``this cancer is extremely poettering'' | 23:22 |
| kerio | why did we get the pulseaudio dude to redesign init? | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~lart systemd | 23:24 |
| * infobot overclocks systemd until systemd burns out | 23:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't be any hard | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably already burned out since 3 days before initial release | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reason: no such file or directory | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | POETTERING!!!!! WHICH FUCKING no such file??? | 23:28 |
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| dimir | EHLO! | 23:35 |
| dimir | Recently GSM module on my n900 stopped working. | 23:35 |
| dimir | It throws the message "All telephony functions, including emergency calls, are disabled due to a communication error. To recover, you might have to reboot the device." | 23:36 |
| dimir | The well-known error. | 23:36 |
| kerio | well, have you tried to reboot the device? | 23:37 |
| dimir | So at first it was appearing once a day or something, reboot was fixing that. | 23:37 |
| kerio | :) | 23:37 |
| dimir | It then started to happen more and more often until recently reboots stopped helping completely. | 23:37 |
| kerio | dimir: btw, why is this related to CSSU? | 23:37 |
| dimir | I have followed the threads on maemo forum, like this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60881 | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm, yeah. fatal :.{ | 23:37 |
| freemangordon | maybe he has a solution and wants to share it | 23:38 |
| dimir | Nop.e | 23:38 |
| dimir | damn. | 23:38 |
| kerio | :c | 23:38 |
| dimir | The thread suggests some reflashing otherwise it's h/w problem. | 23:38 |
| dimir | But it seems there were lots of people having such problem. | 23:38 |
| dimir | The thread is of year 2009 though. | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most common fatal hw defect | 23:38 |
| dimir | I was wondering if you know of recent solutions, or things that might be causing this. | 23:39 |
| dimir | Or maybe this is known to be fixed in recent images. | 23:39 |
| dimir | oh man. | 23:39 |
| dimir | I so hope it's not h/w. | 23:39 |
| dimir | I'm already using CSSU btw. | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems there's been the typical bathtub curve for many early failures then after a few years of 'silence' slow increase of same problem again | 23:39 |
| dimir | Ah man. | 23:40 |
| dimir | But I just wanted to consult here before I go for a reflash. | 23:40 |
| dimir | I mean, it seems there are some reports that reflashing in this kind of state of the phone bricks it. | 23:41 |
| dimir | It's functional properly, all except the GSM module. | 23:41 |
| dimir | I mean, wi-fi, etc. all works properly. | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems a chip or soldering problem with modem itself | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some users even can make it come and go by pressing a particular key on hw kbd | 23:42 |
| dimir | So, perhaps taking it to the service could be a good idea? | 23:42 |
| dimir | Right. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | reflow soldering the modem chip *might* help | 23:43 |
| dimir | Could be a soldering problem, that'd explain why the problem was first occasional and then going more and more often. | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep, soldering or bonding | 23:43 |
| dimir | I just am too afraid to do that myself. :-D | 23:43 |
| kerio | nokia don't care | 23:44 |
| kerio | nokia don't give a fuck | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | better let it do somebody with proper hot air reflow workstation | 23:44 |
| dimir | sure. | 23:44 |
| kerio | they'll give you a lumia 900 | 23:44 |
| kerio | i mean, the number is the same! | 23:44 |
| kerio | or maybe a n8 | 23:44 |
| kerio | which you can sell to buy another n900 on ebay | 23:44 |
| dimir | DocScrutinizer05: so you mean, find the scheme of the phone to locate the modem and take it to a friend that can solder and bond? | 23:44 |
| dimir | kerio: :-D | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody can bond | 23:45 |
| dimir | kerio: yeah, already was checking some n900-s on eBay. :-) | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bonding is inside chip | 23:45 |
| dimir | oh crap. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | those hair thin gold wires | 23:45 |
| dimir | oooh. | 23:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but you can try reflow | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka 'soldering' | 23:46 |
| kerio | what's reflow? | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki reflow | 23:46 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reflow (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{refimprove|date=December 2010}} 'Reflow soldering' is a process in which a solder paste (a sticky mixture of powdered solder and flux) is used to temporarily attach one or several electrical components to their contact pads, after which the entire assembly is subjected to controlled heat, which melts the solder, permanently connecting the joint. Heating may be accomplished by passing ... | 23:46 |
| kerio | i see | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hot air reflow in this case | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | needs quite some experience to do it right | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and the proper tools | 23:47 |
| dimir | You mean this can be done at home? | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not really, unless you got a SMT rework station aka hot air / IR reflow soldering station | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some freaks try it in oven | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but it usually kills the whole device | 23:49 |
| kerio | it works with x360s! | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you need proper temperature to +/-5°C | 23:49 |
| dimir | yeah. | 23:50 |
| dimir | Thanks for the info! | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and even then it's not really guaranteed a completely assembled PCB will survive reflow | 23:50 |
| dimir | I wonder though, if there is a scheme of the pcb available? | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | check wiki | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there are links to places for download | 23:51 |
| dimir | Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf ? | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also helps, yeah | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually to be found 2in same directory" as the schematics.pdf | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/2/"/ | 23:58 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: usually to be found "in same directory" as the schematics.pdf | 23:58 |
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