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| kerio | D: nobody cares about bugs in CSSU! | 00:23 |
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| kerio | D: D: D: | 00:23 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 00:24 |
| kerio | ~seen pali | 00:24 |
| infobot | pali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 4d 14h 9m 38s ago, saying: 'jonwil has some more info about format'. | 00:25 |
| kerio | :s | 00:25 |
| kerio | 4 days without pali | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: I'm on the run | 00:25 |
| kerio | why, what did you do? | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have to play snailmail dude | 00:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: maybe *you* messed up your sudoers.d ? | 00:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: nope | 00:33 |
| kerio | the problem is that /usr/libexec/apt-worker in /etc/sudoers.d/hildon-application-manager.sudoers doesn't work if apt-worker is a symlink | 00:34 |
| kerio | i think | 00:34 |
| kerio | yeah, it's because of that | 00:34 |
| kerio | sudo resolves the symlink and then fails | 00:34 |
| kerio | or, in my case, asks a password | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, probably links needs to satisfy some security preconditions to be allowed as target in sudoers | 00:35 |
| kerio | fix: /etc/sudoers.d/community-ssu-enabler.sudoers with "ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/libexec/apt-worker-cssu.sh" in it | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise each fritz could redirect the symlink to whatever he likes | 00:35 |
| kerio | no, it's just that sudo checks the target of the symlink instead of the symlink | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds kinda sane as well | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess CSSU QA has still a looong way to perfection ;-P | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cya | 00:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ping merlin1991 about it | 00:37 |
| kerio | merlin1991: ping | 00:38 |
| kerio | done | 00:38 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: err why the fuck do you need sudo on the enabler when you have already the symlink? | 01:03 |
| merlin1991 | that should be post running the enabler | 01:03 |
| merlin1991 | also "resolved wontfix" since the symlink is going away with the next update of the enabler | 01:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yo merlin1991 | 01:43 |
| merlin1991 | yo Doc | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so much for being on vacation | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ffs | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | today my boss phoned me and then complained in a mail that he couldn't reach me | 01:46 |
| merlin1991 | lol | 01:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then they sent me new employment contract per *email* and asked me to sign it immediately | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, sign as soon as I feel I want my money for last month | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so much for being on vacation, said it before | 01:49 |
| merlin1991 | wtf? | 01:49 |
| merlin1991 | they can force you a new contract, but you should have your money for last month | 01:49 |
| merlin1991 | what kind of weird employment do you have? | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *i* know | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | slavery | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | modern IT slavery aka consulting | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | volkstuemlich "Zeitarbeit", vornehm "Arbeitnehmenrueberlassung" | 01:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a quite usual unusual event affecting whole company creates some sound rationale why we'd need new contracts | 01:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thenew contract looks like the old one, except some addr change | 01:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and start of contract 1.9.2013 :-S | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err 2012 | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in 3 weeks | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but I'm already an employee for that company since 9 months | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | real fun in holiday | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tomorrow I prolly need to find an atorney | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | +t | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a friend told me usual way is to sign a "Aenderungskuendigung" and new contract same time, even maybe same paper | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | well in order to have a valid Änderungskündigung they need some really pressing matters | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | moving Nuernberg -> Zuerich prolly is such a valid reason | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even while I have a side letter acknowledging the contract is a follow-up to a previously existing one, it's a printout of a pdf only, while they expect me to sign on paper, so the new contract in their hands is worth more than the side letter in mine | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "Mr DocS works for us since 1.9.2012, here is the contract signed by him" "but, but, I got your written acknowledgement of this being a contract change for addr update of a contract existing since 9 months longer, on this... this... printout of my lasterprinter" | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the kind of holiday I deeply adore | 02:10 |
| merlin1991 | yep, sounds like my dream holiday | 02:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just found a tinyurl on wiki/mer/awareness and sighs | 02:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what friggin reason could you have to use tinyurl in a wikipage link that's a <a href> anyway | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and who the stinking hell is paying me for all that stuff? | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably the payment is the mere posession of those 4 awesome devices | 02:31 |
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| luf | Finally I rewrite PBAP call history using async calls. This doesn't need patching some core parts of obexd :) I'll test some IrMC patch and then I'll try to port the meego messages support :) | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | great | 03:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even though I don't seem me buying a car where I could use it :-) | 03:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://www.totobay.com/original-uem-ic-for-nokia-x3-x6-7230-n900-e72-4376047_p25848.html WTF? | 03:42 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: Just a question - this obexd enhancing is welcome in cssu? Or it's also againist minimalistic bug fixing? | 03:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | enhancements limited to one subsystem are low risk and easy to debug. So no major issues with obex AIUI | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what would be worst case? obex not working anymore? Any luser can tell | 03:48 |
| luf | Ok. I see. Thanks. | 03:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as it doesn't collide with anything else we got | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/collide/conflict/ | 03:49 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: as long as it doesn't conflict with anything else we got | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luf: this is a userland lib, no? | 03:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or daemon | 03:50 |
| luf | It's userland daemon. | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | low risk, since I gather it's not entangled with rest of system | 03:50 |
| luf | It support more protocols for bluetooth (ftp, pbap, ...) | 03:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we updated ke-recv and whatnot else. As long as impact is immediately detectable and easy to assign to the particular patch, we simply can roll back | 03:51 |
| luf | Also obexd is used for PC suite mode (sync with win etc). | 03:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | patches to things like foundation libs, core middleware like dbus, or even kernel itself are impossible to "debug" resp analyze by lusers. Not even devels have an easy time to understand the symptoms of e.g dbus dropping 1 of 50 msgs | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luf: if you think risk management, elaborate on fields of impact your patch possibly has (and why, and why not on others), you already sold your stuff | 03:55 |
| luf | Ok. I'm glad that my work on obexd is welcome in cssu. | 03:56 |
| luf | It's always hard to say + and -. I fixed some bugs and add some features but I have no clue how many bugs I add :) | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you even can deliver a expert howto-debug, like "monitor fubar-xy process for constant mem usage, any new memleak will show there. check power consumption during usecase X (should be somewhat higher due to BT/IR-LED) and watch power during obex-off in settings (mustn't differ to system without this patch)... etc" you're the king | 03:58 |
| luf | I'm going to sleep. I have to wake up in 4 hours ... | 03:59 |
| luf | And for sure I'm the latest slave :D | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-D | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | have a nice rest | 03:59 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: because it doesn't fucking work on the symlink? | 09:54 |
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| marmistrz | Hi | 16:26 |
| marmistrz | I compiled newer sqlite3 for Maemo | 16:26 |
| marmistrz | I'd like to get it included in CSSU | 16:26 |
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| marmistrz | What should I do to have it included in CSSU? | 16:28 |
| marmistrz | On tmo I announced it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85587 | 16:29 |
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| kerio | marmistrz: does it provide benefits? | 16:32 |
| marmistrz | It seems to be a bit faster, e.g. with conversations, but not all users notice that. It's required for libaccounts-glib from Harmattan | 16:33 |
| kerio | ask freemangordon to thumb-compile it | 16:35 |
| kerio | so at least it's included with cssu-thumb | 16:35 |
| kerio | which seems more and more the "experimental" branch, i suppose | 16:35 |
| marmistrz | It's been tested by a couple of users and no problems were reported | 16:36 |
| kerio | oh god, don't say that out loud here | 16:38 |
| kerio | D: | 16:38 |
| tadzik | (: | 16:38 |
| marmistrz | why? | 16:42 |
| kerio | because of the one who scrutinizes | 16:45 |
| Lava_Croft | There's a somewhat immature and overly emotional guy in this channel who might go ape-poopoo over saying such things | 16:45 |
| marmistrz | who? | 16:46 |
| tadzik | I think there may be a reason why the name didn't come up yet | 16:47 |
| * Lava_Croft chuckles | 16:47 | |
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| marmistrz | Many people tested it, i.e. me (used N900 with my build of sqlite3 for 3 weeks), Raimu, Acurus_, sifo, SeT and no one report problems. I don't get the reason. | 16:50 |
| Lava_Croft | Technically speaking, having 5 people test it is hardly a solid testcase | 16:51 |
| Lava_Croft | I think people tried to save you from a certain guy raging on you:) | 16:51 |
| marmistrz | who was to rage on me? | 16:52 |
| Lava_Croft | I dont know! | 16:52 |
| tadzik | :) | 16:52 |
| Lava_Croft | (I do but i wont tell!) | 16:52 |
| marmistrz | ;) | 16:52 |
| kerio | QbpFpehgvavmre (in rot13) | 16:52 |
| tadzik | marmistrz: my understanding is that cssu is more about improving stability than about bringing shiny new stuff that "yeah, was tested" | 16:52 |
| Lava_Croft | haha | 16:52 |
| Lava_Croft | tadzik: thats why someone suggested cssu-thumb | 16:53 |
| tadzik | and if you do not agree than you may bring firestorm upon thyself ;) | 16:53 |
| tadzik | Lava_Croft: right | 16:53 |
| Lava_Croft | and i think there's a cssu-devel too? | 16:53 |
| marmistrz | it's what I just wanted to suggest :) | 16:53 |
| tadzik | I thought cssu-devel is a step before csuu-testing | 16:53 |
| tadzik | which in turn is a step before cssu-stable | 16:53 |
| Lava_Croft | Making cssu-devel a fitting place to start testing it:) | 16:53 |
| tadzik | but I may be wrong; I've been already proved wrong here once or twice :) | 16:53 |
| marmistrz | Lava_Croft: (about rot13 text) - :) | 16:55 |
| Lava_Croft | I didnt post it! :) | 16:56 |
| kerio | (: | 16:56 |
| tadzik | I was sort of expecting marmistrz to say "oh, <decoded text>!" | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | hah | 16:57 |
| kerio | tadzik: i was *hoping* for that | 16:57 |
| tadzik | :> | 16:57 |
| marmistrz | ;) | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | Too bad he is too smart! | 16:57 |
| tadzik | where's this reaction gif... | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | (for you) | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | We need a special for this person | 16:57 |
| marmistrz | ;) | 16:57 |
| Lava_Croft | So you can just link that in the future | 16:57 |
| tadzik | http://i.imgur.com/I6GSf.gif this one ;) | 16:57 |
| marmistrz | ;) | 16:58 |
| Raimu-X | I was under the impression a newer sqlite3, since you can't just put it into extras because it replaces an important package. | 16:58 |
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| kerio | Raimu-X: it's definetely cssu material if they decide to put it in | 16:58 |
| kerio | tadzik: that was exactly my reaction | 16:59 |
| Raimu | I mean, it's not necessary to include it into the metapackage. | 16:59 |
| kerio | Raimu: it would still upgrade it | 16:59 |
| kerio | cssu is supposed to be fire-and-forget, especially for non-techie users | 16:59 |
| kerio | ...although i suppose that HAM won't upgrade it... | 17:00 |
| tadzik | ...not in the first 40 minutes at least... | 17:00 |
| jon_y | why'd a non-technical user use an N900? :) | 17:00 |
| Raimu | \o/ | 17:00 |
| jon_y | iphone ipad galaxynote... | 17:00 |
| Lava_Croft | I know a ton of technical people that use Apple stuff! :P | 17:01 |
| jon_y | well, thats not the point | 17:01 |
| Lava_Croft | Im not technical, I love my n900 :P | 17:02 |
| jon_y | you had to consciously choose an old bulky phone over the stylish new phone | 17:02 |
| Lava_Croft | Matter of usability | 17:02 |
| jon_y | dem new phones so thin | 17:02 |
| Lava_Croft | I need weight and size to my phones:) | 17:03 |
| jon_y | so thin it promotes bad dieting :) | 17:03 |
| Lava_Croft | Or else i just break em | 17:03 |
| tadzik | +1 | 17:03 |
| Lava_Croft | Galaxy Nexus was horrible with that | 17:03 |
| tadzik | maybe not break, but I'll be afraid all the time | 17:03 |
| kerio | jon_y: CSSU is for long term support | 17:03 |
| Lava_Croft | I broke the backcover the first time i pulled it off | 17:03 |
| tadzik | like with a Kindle. Constant fear | 17:03 |
| kerio | there's quality analysis! | 17:03 |
| jon_y | kerio: I was very much joking about not catering to non-tech users | 17:03 |
| Lava_Croft | D O H :) | 17:03 |
| kerio | and that's why community-ssu-enabler has a really nasty bug that prevents HAM from working outright if you don't have passwordless sudo enabled for everything | 17:04 |
| kerio | -.- | 17:04 |
| jon_y | what could go wrong with sqlite upgrade anyway? | 17:06 |
| tadzik | ALL THE THINGS :) | 17:07 |
| kerio | freemangordon: upgrade pls | 17:08 |
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| freemangordon | marmistrz: ping merlin1991 for sqlite3, he is one of the maintainers of CSSU and usualy is available | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ping | 18:08 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong | 18:08 |
| freemangordon | <marmistrz> I compiled newer sqlite3 for Maemo | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | <marmistrz> I'd like to get it included in CSSU | 18:09 |
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| marmistrz | I already contacted merlin1991 | 18:09 |
| marmistrz | and he said he's quite busy right now | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: ok :) | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | yep :) | 18:09 |
| freemangordon | marmistrz: well, you have to wait then :P | 18:09 |
| merlin1991 | I'll look into tomorrow, when I'm done ruining my arms by doing construction work :D | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | doing what? | 18:10 |
| freemangordon | aren't you a SW developer :P | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | yeah but I do have a semi ready flat that needs more electrical wireing, warm water and other stuff :D | 18:10 |
| merlin1991 | that's my style of a vacation, working on my flat xD | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | hmm,a SW guy with a screwdriver | 18:11 |
| freemangordon | :D | 18:11 |
| merlin1991 | and hammer, chisel, percussion drill, ... | 18:12 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 18:12 |
| luf | merlin1991: warm watter for what these days? :D | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | winter is always near ;) | 18:13 |
| luf | Ok but axe is enough in winter :D | 18:13 |
| merlin1991 | luf: well the main reason to restructure some walls is the cat5 ethernet cable that goes into the walls ;) | 18:15 |
| luf | Sure. that sounds like must to have (not like warm water). | 18:16 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: :C | 18:43 |
| kerio | why not cat6? | 18:43 |
| kerio | why do you hate the future? :( | 18:43 |
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| merlin1991 | because cat5 is good enough for gigabit ethernet :D | 18:47 |
| kerio | **the future** | 18:53 |
| kerio | gigE has better be the present | 18:53 |
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| merlin1991 | well around here 100mbit is the highest of feelings ;) | 18:55 |
| kerio | i can't feel to this! | 19:06 |
| gregoa | no, no jonwil or pali here. | 19:07 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: I have a patch for the packaging of operator-name-cbs-widget: http://paste.debian.net/182796/ (the result of building the version from git myself) | 19:08 |
| merlin1991 | why did you need the shlibs file? | 19:09 |
| gregoa | that's in the changelog :) - otherwise dh_shlibdeps in d/rules (or the dpkg-shlibdeps it calls) fails when it tries to find out which packages the libs are in | 19:10 |
| merlin1991 | there's http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev in order to have it owrking | 19:10 |
| merlin1991 | s/owrking/working/ | 19:10 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: there's http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev in order to have it working | 19:10 |
| gregoa | yup, I built and installed libconnui-dev before | 19:10 |
| kerio | so when is it going to be updated? | 19:10 |
| kerio | i'm awaiting my fix | 19:11 |
| kerio | having a wrong operator name is annoying | 19:11 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: gregoas patch is only about packaging itself | 19:11 |
| kerio | yeah but there's a fix by jonwil to the problem i had | 19:11 |
| gregoa | kerio: with the package built from git I didn't get _any_ operator name afer a reboot, just after killall'ing hildon-home. but I haven't tried a second time since ATM it seems to work | 19:12 |
| gregoa | kerio: if you are adventurous, I can give you the packages I built from jonwil's git version | 19:12 |
| kerio | meh, i could try | 19:13 |
| kerio | i'd like a proper update though | 19:13 |
| kerio | :s | 19:13 |
| gregoa | kerio: if you like: http://info.comodo.priv.at/tmp/operator-name-cbs-widget_3.0+nmu1_armel.deb and http://info.comodo.priv.at/tmp/connui-home-cellular_3.0+nmu1_armel.deb | 19:14 |
| gregoa | but I'd appreciate a proper update too | 19:14 |
| kerio | ty | 19:15 |
| kerio | what's +nmu? | 19:15 |
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| gregoa | non-maintainer upload. debian terminology, sorry :) | 19:16 |
| kerio | i see | 19:16 |
| kerio | hrmpf, it's going to be greater than -cssu, isn't it | 19:16 |
| merlin1991 | nope | 19:17 |
| gregoa | yes, but currently the packages have just 3.0 without any -cssu suffix | 19:17 |
| merlin1991 | gregoa: actually 3.0-cssu > than 3.0+$WHATEVER | 19:17 |
| gregoa | (and then it would depend where the -cssu part is. I tend to be confused by the version scheme) | 19:18 |
| kerio | i see | 19:18 |
| kerio | neat | 19:18 |
| kerio | :) | 19:18 |
| kerio | anyway, installed | 19:19 |
| kerio | i have no idea how to test the fix though | 19:19 |
| merlin1991 | hm nope 3.0-cssu is > 3.0+$x | 19:19 |
| merlin1991 | this is idd | 19:19 |
| merlin1991 | s/id/od/ | 19:20 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: this is odd | 19:20 |
| gregoa | "dpkg --compare-versions 3.0-cssu gt 3.0+WHATEVER && echo greater" doesn't ech anything | 19:20 |
| gregoa | because 3.0-cssu means upstream 3.0 and deb revision -cssu, and 3.0+nmu1 means (a higher) upstream 3.0+nmu1 and no deb revision. aka native package. | 19:21 |
| kerio | meh, i'll just uninstall them to upgrade to upstream | 19:22 |
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