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luf | To break the silence :) I want to say that I succesfully use obexd-0.45 with PBAP. | 03:23 |
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luf | The wrong part is that it doesn't fix the problem with my handsfree. Some contacts has number from another one and some names are missing. | 03:23 |
luf | BTW what I have to do to put newer bluez (still need some tweak) and obexd into cssu? | 03:24 |
luf | BTW whole weekend I'll be away even without phone signal :D | 03:25 |
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Timmo_ | peace ppl | 05:56 |
Timmo_ | every thing goes about positive | 05:57 |
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kerio | so... the operator name applet is wrong | 13:38 |
kerio | which is your (cssu) problem, because you forced it on me | 13:39 |
kerio | my operator has a weird thing where it uses another operator for gsm | 13:39 |
kerio | national roaming, or something | 13:40 |
kerio | anyway, the operator widget doesn't update correctly when i switch between gsm and umts | 13:40 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: obviously opernamewidget should go | 13:52 |
kerio | fucking indeed | 13:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which I hope it will for next CSSU-T update | 13:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | once some cracks explained to me CSSU can't roll back any pkg ever delivered. Have to thing about a way to prove them wrong | 13:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | think* | 13:53 |
kerio | well, it's true, isn't it | 13:54 |
kerio | no, wait | 13:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | if we can't bump version of original operator widget, we probably need a MP | 13:54 |
kerio | just don't depend on it, it'll get autoremoved | 13:54 |
kerio | in theory | 13:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 13:55 |
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kerio | don't mock me :c | 13:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 13:55 |
kerio | is the widget in cssu-s? | 13:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | was a bitter self-ironic haha | 13:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | thank god it's not | 13:56 |
kerio | testing is here for a reason, "remove that package if you want" is enough | 13:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 13:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | just alowing removal | 13:56 |
kerio | DocScrutinizer05: you could also fix the bug! | 13:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the main bug is the applet itself, which conflicts with other alternative opername applets | 13:57 |
kerio | couldn't the original package be replaced? | 13:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | err, that's what this CBSMS-widget does | 13:58 |
kerio | no, i mean | 13:58 |
kerio | replace the original package | 13:59 |
kerio | the nokia one | 13:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, you lost me | 13:59 |
kerio | how do alternative widgets work? | 13:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | replace where? by what? | 13:59 |
kerio | i don't know D: | 14:00 |
kerio | why does it have to conflict with other widgets if it's just an upgrade to the stock one? | 14:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | smscb-widget afaik has a conflicting dependency with the original, so kicks out the original | 14:00 |
kerio | why isn't *it* the original? | 14:01 |
kerio | we're cssu | 14:01 |
* DocScrutinizer05 sips on his coffee and wonders who's the one not awake now | 14:01 | |
kerio | i mean, why doesn't it have the same name as the stock widget, with a higher version? | 14:02 |
* DocScrutinizer05 sips a bit more, to make sure there's a long way yet to full-awake state | 14:02 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, kerio | 14:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not a packager | 14:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm just the bitching asshole with a clue about everything but capable of nothing | 14:03 |
kerio | neat, me too | 14:04 |
kerio | anyway, the stock opname widget looked fine to me | 14:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | indeed it was my fault | 14:05 |
kerio | if people want cell broadcast, they can just install an extra widget for it | 14:05 |
kerio | i mean, an actual widget | 14:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I didn't realize the optional nature of this cbsms-widget. Neither the implications with other alternative opername pkgs | 14:06 |
kerio | it's oj | 14:06 |
kerio | ok | 14:06 |
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kerio | :) | 14:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | somebody said "I give a fsck about custom-oper-name widget. It's a dirty botcch anyway" and I agreed :-S | 14:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~spank DocScrutinizer05 | 14:08 |
* infobot bends DocScrutinizer05 over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on DocScrutinizer05's pasty white buttocks. | 14:08 | |
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kerio | you like it don't ya | 14:09 |
kerio | you dirty bitch | 14:09 |
kerio | erhm | 14:09 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I contributed to it, and that got me biased and blind | 14:09 |
kerio | what? | 14:09 |
kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh, so you can fix it | 14:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's jonwil's baby | 14:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I only helped | 14:10 |
kerio | hm | 14:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | now I think it's my duty to move it to cssu-optional | 14:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or kill it for now | 14:12 |
* DocScrutinizer05 wonders if merlin1991 already has an ETA for cssu-optional infra | 14:13 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | DANG, mail from work at weekends | 14:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | luckily with a "INVALID, WONTFIX" :-) | 14:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, kinda. For our domain it's INVALID | 14:20 |
kerio | DocScrutinizer05: extras-devel, aka cssu-optional? | 14:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, they are twins | 14:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | somewhat | 14:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | cssu-optional kinda is to cssu what extras(-devel) is to maemo | 14:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | though our concept is from top-down back on its feet, since every repo has its own optional pkgs | 14:24 |
kerio | you know what else is like extras(-devel) to maemo, but for cssu? | 14:24 |
kerio | extras(-devel) | 14:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure, but then I have to agree deploying opername applets in extras(-*) repos is a botch, as it messes with core maemo system and that's a cssu domain | 14:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, we probably could ship the fixed7patched libsms.so via cssu-core and the applet via extras | 14:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | still not clean, but at least not worse than the other opername applets | 14:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'd probably do it that way, for now | 14:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | iirc jonwil been eager to ship it via cssu, again driven by odd understanding of what cssu is meant to be | 14:29 |
kerio | DocScrutinizer05: and still no KP51 :c | 15:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and each time you bitch about it, it gets delayed another week | 15:48 |
kerio | can i make the counter wrap around so it was released two billion years ago? | 15:49 |
kerio | because that's what they're hoping to do for half life 3, i think | 15:49 |
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kerio | eventually, cssu will ship a new battery meter, right? | 17:21 |
kerio | can i get some kind of icon for the charging battery? like a plug in the battery or something? | 17:21 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, I support that | 17:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the animation is kinda... annoyingly indifferent | 17:46 |
Lava_Croft | animation is fine, the only thing that should change is its base image | 17:47 |
Lava_Croft | currently the base image does not reflect how much charge is left | 17:47 |
Lava_Croft | charging animation starts at zero and ends at full | 17:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | which is meanlingless during charge anyway | 17:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | somewhat at least | 17:48 |
Lava_Croft | its annoying to not be able to see how charged the battery is | 17:49 |
Lava_Croft | (from the icon, when charging) | 17:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not averse agiainst animation, but there should be a better distinguishable icon for sure | 17:49 |
Lava_Croft | oh, the icon works fine for me | 17:49 |
Lava_Croft | dont think cssu should change that kind of art anyway | 17:49 |
Lava_Croft | without some really good reason | 17:49 |
DocScrutinizer05 | a) we got no proper info about how much charge in battery, during charging | 17:49 |
Lava_Croft | can easily be done by starting the animation from the current charge image | 17:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | b) using same icon for discharging and charging is no brilliant idea, no matter how nifty any animation pattern you use | 17:50 |
Lava_Croft | i think the battery entry in the status menu is whoefully empty tho! | 17:50 |
Lava_Croft | if its discharging, its not animating like when its charging | 17:52 |
Lava_Croft | so thats quite easy to distinguish | 17:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | c) IF we could display charge percentage and charging by only animation of current uni icon, it would mean charging state of an almost full battery (so we ever find a way to tell battery is almost full) would be pretty much invisible | 17:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and no, to distinguish animation from no animation, you by definition have to watch the icon for a certain timespan | 17:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so it's per se not "easy to distinguish" | 17:54 |
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kerio | lightning or plug in the battery icon and level that reflects the battery's level is a good idea to me | 17:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's the reason why you generally don't use animation in any professional data display, as primary source of info | 17:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: ++ | 17:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | though, as mentioned above, we have no proper value for charge level during charging | 17:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | at least not always | 17:57 |
kerio | DocScrutinizer05: sssssh | 17:57 |
kerio | that's not important | 17:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | blinking warning lamp that's maybe on for 200ms and off for 800ms is a massive safety risk, as odds are the user looks at display 5 times and never sees warning lamp is actually on | 18:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | IF you're using blinking or animated display elements, those have to refresh state at a rate >8Hz | 18:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | to use a house number | 18:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | not entirely house number, as there's such a thing like a minimum timespan human brain needs to look at one picture to decode it at all | 18:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | refresh rate of blinking or animated displays has to be well less than that timespan | 18:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | well, in case of rate, probably "higher" is the right term | 18:04 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or "faster" | 18:04 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | for battery charge animation, that's clearly not given | 18:05 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and due to CPU load, we don't want to speed up anim to fix that | 18:06 |
kerio | DocScrutinizer05: which warning lamp? :o | 18:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so I'm for a dedicated charging icon | 18:06 |
kerio | ^_^ | 18:06 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: the "reactor goes boom!" or "your fuel is empty!" warning lamp, pick any you want | 18:07 |
DocScrutinizer05 | rule of thumb: any picture taken of the scene should always contain all available info of that moment | 18:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | a screenshot of N900 qouldn't at all show if battery is charging or not | 18:09 |
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kerio | we were saying | 18:09 |
kerio | DocScrutinizer05: would that require a preference pane and a way to configure it? | 18:10 |
kerio | i mean, eventually cssu will need a new battery meter | 18:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: please rephrase | 18:10 |
kerio | should the animationless battery icon be the default? | 18:10 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: cssu might eventually get an alternative battery meter, esp to cope with kernel-based bme replacement from PK | 18:11 |
kerio | yep, because of that | 18:11 |
kerio | and hostmode | 18:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | emphasis on alternative | 18:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | as in "optional alternative" | 18:11 |
DocScrutinizer05 | optional like opt-in (or maybe even opt-out), alternative as "conflicts with original battery meter" | 18:12 |
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kerio | so bme will stay in maemo forever? | 18:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and I could think of user creating her own icons (even animated) for charging and discharging state | 18:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | there's no bug reported against bme that would justify a mandatory kick-out of system in cssu | 18:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | anb believe me, a LOT of users feel scared by any messing with BatteryManagementEntity | 18:16 |
kerio | i'm not so convinced that "closed source" is not a good enough reason to replace | 18:16 |
kerio | hm :c | 18:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: closed source never been any of the valid reasons to mandatorily replace a (sub)system via CSSU | 18:17 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, who except RMS would notice any difference while using this system with foss alternative? | 18:18 |
DocScrutinizer05 | qui bono? | 18:18 |
kerio | bme doesn't support portrait mode! /s | 18:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | "here Frank, look at this! It looks just like before, but now it's based on FOSS!" ?? | 18:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | honestly we got other trouble than closed source in bme | 18:21 |
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kerio | DocScrutinizer05: like what? | 18:25 |
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