IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Wednesday, 2012-07-04

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kerioare there plans to change the file picker?10:01
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merlin1991kerio: no, but we're always open to suggestions18:17
keriomerlin1991: (if that reply was re: openmediaplayer) i hereby officially suggest we install open media player as the default media player18:38
kerioalthough it will probably break stuff like file opening in the file browser and the like18:38
merlin1991it was about: <kerio> are there plans to change the file picker?18:39
kerioi'm not sure OMP can handle those18:39
keriooh, nvm :c18:39
keriomerlin1991: i hereby suggest we move to a file picker that doesn't suck balls, then18:39
merlin1991:D18:39
keriowhat about changing the media player?18:39
merlin1991also OMP can handle those (at least partially), it actually started with a code snipped from me :)18:39
merlin1991it at least has that really weird video playback bug18:40
keriowhich bug?18:41
merlin1991phantom windows that pop up and close immediately18:42
merlin1991for me it happens when I select a video and go back to the seleciton screen18:42
merlin1991on the tmo thread there were a few other situations where it happened aswell18:42
keriowill maemo programs break if they suddenly start getting weird paths from the file picker?18:46
merlin1991well they shouldn't but they could18:46
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keriook, so... SHALL NOT?18:47
kerioas DocScrutinizer would say18:47
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merlin1991but why would the file picker send weird paths?19:02
keriomerlin1991: well, "weird"19:03
keriofor instance, if we had a file picker that lets us browse the whole /19:03
kerioyou know19:03
keriopaths19:03
kerioooh, upgrade for alarmd19:07
keriogaaaaaaaah why is HAM so fucking slow19:08
kerioi don't believe it19:08
merlin1991how many repos do you have?19:08
keriosuggestion for CSSU: replace HAM with fapman19:08
keriomerlin1991: nokia defaults, extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, community-testing19:09
kerioREALLY19:09
kerioFIVE MINUTES OF WAITING AND YOU HAVE NO UPDATES19:09
kerioakgsasghjahsgj19:09
keriooh fapman, why did i ever betray you with ham19:09
Lava_Croftbecause of its package name of course19:15
Lava_Crofti mean, fapman, come on now19:15
keriooh god, it asks me to install gcc-4.6-base19:16
keriois this intended19:16
kerioalso, how are you supposed to upgrade packages that don't appear in HAM?19:17
kerioapt?19:17
keriooh crap my most recent backup is... kinda old19:18
kerioi don't know what i did since that19:18
keriooh well, let's hope alarmd isn't fucked now19:19
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merlin1991kerio: you should get rid of some of those repos, ie you could disable extras and extras-testing20:46
merlin1991also gcc-4.6-base?20:46
keriomerlin1991: yeah, i realize that's not the whole of gcc20:47
kerio(which i installed afterwards, because fuck yeah gcc)20:48
kerioeven though it was installed as gcc-4.6 only, for some weird reason20:48
keriomerlin1991: i thought that extras and -testing had packages that weren't in -devel20:49
merlin1991nope it goes extras < testing < devel20:49
keriomerlin1991: are you *sure* about that20:52
merlin1991it is like that except one or two packages20:53
merlin1991but you always have the newest versions in -devel anywa20:53
merlin1991y20:53
kerioBUT WHAT IF I NEED THOSE TWO PACKAGES D:20:53
keriothe horror20:53
kerioof a failed apt installation20:53
merlin1991so only if you depend on using some old as fuck package that got removed from -devel you need other repos20:53
merlin1991and in that case you can always enable them again ;)20:53
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keriosilly question: what should be the repo name for community-testing in HAM?21:04
kerioalso, do i need the ovi repository?21:05
merlin1991you need ovi only if you install stuff from the ovi store21:06
keriomeh, i might as well keep it21:07
kerioit's probably not big anyway21:07
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DocScrutinizerhaha22:27
DocScrutinizerjust for a tiny test: disable ovi, extras-testing, extras-devel (it,s just one click basically to disable/re-enable a repo)22:28
DocScrutinizeryou'll be surprised22:28
_freemangordonhow fast HAM is?22:28
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DocScrutinizerwell, I refuse to use the words fast and HAM in same yentence, but... yes22:29
freemangordon;)22:29
DocScrutinizerthe waiting goes down from >5min to <1:3022:29
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freemangordonyeah, extras-devel is huuuge22:30
kerioso ovi is to blame too22:30
kerioneat22:30
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DocScrutinizerI honestly don't get it why nobody is using html sites with nice lists of pkgs and one-click-installer22:34
DocScrutinizerinstead of bitching about slooooow HAM22:35
DocScrutinizeror using fecked fapman22:36
DocScrutinizeractually I think maemo.org pkg interface is missing such a button/link on each package description page22:37
DocScrutinizerafaik there are other alternative sites though, that offer exactly that22:38
DocScrutinizerhttp://my-maemo.com/downloads/search.php?name=Alarmed22:42
DocScrutinizer"Try it"22:42
DocScrutinizer-> http://my-maemo.com/downloads/sendfile.php4?DownloadID=104322:43
DocScrutinizer-->22:43
DocScrutinizer[install]22:43
DocScrutinizercatalogues = extras-devel22:43
DocScrutinizerpackage   = alarmed22:43
DocScrutinizer[extras-devel]22:43
DocScrutinizername = Extras-Devel22:43
DocScrutinizeruri = http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/22:43
DocScrutinizercomponents = free non-free22:43
DocScrutinizer.22:43
DocScrutinizerinstalling alarmed *via HAM* just one click away22:44
DocScrutinizer...no 5 min waiting22:44
keriowhat's alarmed?22:57
kerioalso, what's wrong with fapman, apart from the name?22:58
keriowhich i still think is awesome, btw22:58
NIN101with fapman, something can happen wrong and your N900 is happily awaiting a reflash.23:00
kerioD:23:00
keriolike what23:00
kerioand why can't that happen with HAM?23:01
NIN101well I am not familiar with the details, but I think it's somehow related specialities in some maemo .debs23:03
keriooic23:05
kerioanyway23:05
keriosomething can happen wrong and my N900 is happily awaiting a restore from backupmenu23:05
keriothat takes like 2 minutes23:05
kerioc:23:05
kerioi suppose that the main thing fapman has is that ovi's repo is disabled by default23:10
kerioooh, an update for hildon-application-manager23:25
keriolook at this23:25
keriohrmpf, doesn't appear on HAM itself23:25
kerioDocScrutinizer: how do you deal with package upgrades that don't appear in HAM?23:25
DocScrutinizererrr23:27
kerioif you say apt you're a bit hypocritical23:28
DocScrutinizeropen a ticket?23:28
keriodude, *any* upgrade that's not for a "user-serviceable" package doesn't appear in ham by default23:29
kerioin this case, apt-get upgrade would allow me to update a bunch of packages, including hildon-application-manager23:32
kerio(i didn't have red pill mode enabled)23:32
DocScrutinizerso where's the problem?23:36
keriowell, you just said that HAM is the only thing that allows a lack of fuckedupness23:36
DocScrutinizeryou usually don't want to do apt-get upgrade *because* it indiscriminately updates all packages.23:37
keriobut... higher versions!23:37
keriodey r cool23:38
DocScrutinizerI don't see a problem in using apt-get install <pkgname> in this case23:38
DocScrutinizerafter all the package hasn't been installed by HAM in the first place23:38
DocScrutinizerotherwise HAM would also show the update23:39
kerioDocScrutinizer: well i certainly didn't install hildon-application-manager :)23:39
DocScrutinizerand btw apt-get tends to auto-remove stuff as well23:40
kerioi don't get how the cssu stuff is supposed to be updated by the "end user"23:40
DocScrutinizerHAM should get updated with next CSSU, as it's a bit like updating apt23:40
keriodo you only get big "update chunks" with cssu-stable?23:41
DocScrutinizeryes, alas23:41
kerioDocScrutinizer: hey, what a coincidence, i just upgraded both ham and apt23:41
kerio:D23:41
DocScrutinizerthough the plan is to change that23:41
keriowell, i suppose that it's not that bad23:41
kerioalthough you probably want faster upgrades for security fixes23:41
DocScrutinizeroriginally one of the ideas of CSSU been to get rid of Nokia's terrible mega-blob-update scheme23:42
keriogaaah not having xterm-256color in terminfo is *so* annoying23:42
kerioHAM updated23:53
kerioHAM still slow as fuck23:53

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