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| kerio | are there plans to change the file picker? | 10:01 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: no, but we're always open to suggestions | 18:17 |
| kerio | merlin1991: (if that reply was re: openmediaplayer) i hereby officially suggest we install open media player as the default media player | 18:38 |
| kerio | although it will probably break stuff like file opening in the file browser and the like | 18:38 |
| merlin1991 | it was about: <kerio> are there plans to change the file picker? | 18:39 |
| kerio | i'm not sure OMP can handle those | 18:39 |
| kerio | oh, nvm :c | 18:39 |
| kerio | merlin1991: i hereby suggest we move to a file picker that doesn't suck balls, then | 18:39 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 18:39 |
| kerio | what about changing the media player? | 18:39 |
| merlin1991 | also OMP can handle those (at least partially), it actually started with a code snipped from me :) | 18:39 |
| merlin1991 | it at least has that really weird video playback bug | 18:40 |
| kerio | which bug? | 18:41 |
| merlin1991 | phantom windows that pop up and close immediately | 18:42 |
| merlin1991 | for me it happens when I select a video and go back to the seleciton screen | 18:42 |
| merlin1991 | on the tmo thread there were a few other situations where it happened aswell | 18:42 |
| kerio | will maemo programs break if they suddenly start getting weird paths from the file picker? | 18:46 |
| merlin1991 | well they shouldn't but they could | 18:46 |
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| kerio | ok, so... SHALL NOT? | 18:47 |
| kerio | as DocScrutinizer would say | 18:47 |
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| merlin1991 | but why would the file picker send weird paths? | 19:02 |
| kerio | merlin1991: well, "weird" | 19:03 |
| kerio | for instance, if we had a file picker that lets us browse the whole / | 19:03 |
| kerio | you know | 19:03 |
| kerio | paths | 19:03 |
| kerio | ooh, upgrade for alarmd | 19:07 |
| kerio | gaaaaaaaah why is HAM so fucking slow | 19:08 |
| kerio | i don't believe it | 19:08 |
| merlin1991 | how many repos do you have? | 19:08 |
| kerio | suggestion for CSSU: replace HAM with fapman | 19:08 |
| kerio | merlin1991: nokia defaults, extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, community-testing | 19:09 |
| kerio | REALLY | 19:09 |
| kerio | FIVE MINUTES OF WAITING AND YOU HAVE NO UPDATES | 19:09 |
| kerio | akgsasghjahsgj | 19:09 |
| kerio | oh fapman, why did i ever betray you with ham | 19:09 |
| Lava_Croft | because of its package name of course | 19:15 |
| Lava_Croft | i mean, fapman, come on now | 19:15 |
| kerio | oh god, it asks me to install gcc-4.6-base | 19:16 |
| kerio | is this intended | 19:16 |
| kerio | also, how are you supposed to upgrade packages that don't appear in HAM? | 19:17 |
| kerio | apt? | 19:17 |
| kerio | oh crap my most recent backup is... kinda old | 19:18 |
| kerio | i don't know what i did since that | 19:18 |
| kerio | oh well, let's hope alarmd isn't fucked now | 19:19 |
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| merlin1991 | kerio: you should get rid of some of those repos, ie you could disable extras and extras-testing | 20:46 |
| merlin1991 | also gcc-4.6-base? | 20:46 |
| kerio | merlin1991: yeah, i realize that's not the whole of gcc | 20:47 |
| kerio | (which i installed afterwards, because fuck yeah gcc) | 20:48 |
| kerio | even though it was installed as gcc-4.6 only, for some weird reason | 20:48 |
| kerio | merlin1991: i thought that extras and -testing had packages that weren't in -devel | 20:49 |
| merlin1991 | nope it goes extras < testing < devel | 20:49 |
| kerio | merlin1991: are you *sure* about that | 20:52 |
| merlin1991 | it is like that except one or two packages | 20:53 |
| merlin1991 | but you always have the newest versions in -devel anywa | 20:53 |
| merlin1991 | y | 20:53 |
| kerio | BUT WHAT IF I NEED THOSE TWO PACKAGES D: | 20:53 |
| kerio | the horror | 20:53 |
| kerio | of a failed apt installation | 20:53 |
| merlin1991 | so only if you depend on using some old as fuck package that got removed from -devel you need other repos | 20:53 |
| merlin1991 | and in that case you can always enable them again ;) | 20:53 |
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| kerio | silly question: what should be the repo name for community-testing in HAM? | 21:04 |
| kerio | also, do i need the ovi repository? | 21:05 |
| merlin1991 | you need ovi only if you install stuff from the ovi store | 21:06 |
| kerio | meh, i might as well keep it | 21:07 |
| kerio | it's probably not big anyway | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | haha | 22:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | just for a tiny test: disable ovi, extras-testing, extras-devel (it,s just one click basically to disable/re-enable a repo) | 22:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'll be surprised | 22:28 |
| _freemangordon | how fast HAM is? | 22:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer | well, I refuse to use the words fast and HAM in same yentence, but... yes | 22:29 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the waiting goes down from >5min to <1:30 | 22:29 |
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| freemangordon | yeah, extras-devel is huuuge | 22:30 |
| kerio | so ovi is to blame too | 22:30 |
| kerio | neat | 22:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I honestly don't get it why nobody is using html sites with nice lists of pkgs and one-click-installer | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | instead of bitching about slooooow HAM | 22:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | or using fecked fapman | 22:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I think maemo.org pkg interface is missing such a button/link on each package description page | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | afaik there are other alternative sites though, that offer exactly that | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://my-maemo.com/downloads/search.php?name=Alarmed | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | "Try it" | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | -> http://my-maemo.com/downloads/sendfile.php4?DownloadID=1043 | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | --> | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | [install] | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | catalogues = extras-devel | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | package = alarmed | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | [extras-devel] | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | name = Extras-Devel | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | uri = http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | components = free non-free | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | . | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | installing alarmed *via HAM* just one click away | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...no 5 min waiting | 22:44 |
| kerio | what's alarmed? | 22:57 |
| kerio | also, what's wrong with fapman, apart from the name? | 22:58 |
| kerio | which i still think is awesome, btw | 22:58 |
| NIN101 | with fapman, something can happen wrong and your N900 is happily awaiting a reflash. | 23:00 |
| kerio | D: | 23:00 |
| kerio | like what | 23:00 |
| kerio | and why can't that happen with HAM? | 23:01 |
| NIN101 | well I am not familiar with the details, but I think it's somehow related specialities in some maemo .debs | 23:03 |
| kerio | oic | 23:05 |
| kerio | anyway | 23:05 |
| kerio | something can happen wrong and my N900 is happily awaiting a restore from backupmenu | 23:05 |
| kerio | that takes like 2 minutes | 23:05 |
| kerio | c: | 23:05 |
| kerio | i suppose that the main thing fapman has is that ovi's repo is disabled by default | 23:10 |
| kerio | ooh, an update for hildon-application-manager | 23:25 |
| kerio | look at this | 23:25 |
| kerio | hrmpf, doesn't appear on HAM itself | 23:25 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: how do you deal with package upgrades that don't appear in HAM? | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | errr | 23:27 |
| kerio | if you say apt you're a bit hypocritical | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | open a ticket? | 23:28 |
| kerio | dude, *any* upgrade that's not for a "user-serviceable" package doesn't appear in ham by default | 23:29 |
| kerio | in this case, apt-get upgrade would allow me to update a bunch of packages, including hildon-application-manager | 23:32 |
| kerio | (i didn't have red pill mode enabled) | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | so where's the problem? | 23:36 |
| kerio | well, you just said that HAM is the only thing that allows a lack of fuckedupness | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | you usually don't want to do apt-get upgrade *because* it indiscriminately updates all packages. | 23:37 |
| kerio | but... higher versions! | 23:37 |
| kerio | dey r cool | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't see a problem in using apt-get install <pkgname> in this case | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all the package hasn't been installed by HAM in the first place | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | otherwise HAM would also show the update | 23:39 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: well i certainly didn't install hildon-application-manager :) | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | and btw apt-get tends to auto-remove stuff as well | 23:40 |
| kerio | i don't get how the cssu stuff is supposed to be updated by the "end user" | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | HAM should get updated with next CSSU, as it's a bit like updating apt | 23:40 |
| kerio | do you only get big "update chunks" with cssu-stable? | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, alas | 23:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer: hey, what a coincidence, i just upgraded both ham and apt | 23:41 |
| kerio | :D | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | though the plan is to change that | 23:41 |
| kerio | well, i suppose that it's not that bad | 23:41 |
| kerio | although you probably want faster upgrades for security fixes | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | originally one of the ideas of CSSU been to get rid of Nokia's terrible mega-blob-update scheme | 23:42 |
| kerio | gaaah not having xterm-256color in terminfo is *so* annoying | 23:42 |
| kerio | HAM updated | 23:53 |
| kerio | HAM still slow as fuck | 23:53 |
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